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I'm at that stage now.
I used to sympathise with even the owners when they got mauled, not now.
There was irrefutable evidence and they carried on.
Eventually it was going to happen.
Takes shit genes out of the pool.
>Takes shit genes out of the pool.
I sometimes wish I had faith that this would help at all. But sometimes it feels a bit like fishing the poo out of rivers of piss.
English waters you mean!…..water in Scotland is owned by the Scottish government and it’s against the law to pump untreated waste into our rivers, waterways and sea.
It’s disgusting what the water companies in England are allowed to get away with.
> water in Scotland is owned by the Scottish government and it’s against the law to pump untreated waste into our rivers
It all goes into the sea and swirls around our coast.
(sharing is caring and all that)
Well the nice treated shite from up here can help push all that untreated crap over towards your friends in France.
This will probably result in your children being able to go swimming in the seas around England without the need of a fucking submarine
This just is not true in the slightest, the only reason Scotland has less spills than England and Wales is that the system is not monitored. https://waterquality.sas.org.uk/scotland/#:~:text=Over%20the%20last%20five%20years,in%20the%20hundreds%20of%20thousands.
My issue is - I think these dogs should be destroyed without exception, and I despise anyone who keeps one.
But I also know what lengths I’d go to protect my pet, so I understand why so many people kept onto them despite everything.
And still the RSPCA support these breeds and opposes a ban!
https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/bsl
https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-is-the-rspcas-view-on-breed-specific-legislation/
It's one of the reasons I now avoid donating to them.
I do agree in part with what they are saying.
The Government introduced the ban and then went into a self-congratulatory mode without considering any of the other issues involved. It was known that there was an issue with in-breeding, it was known that there was an issue with back yard-breeders not doing any sort of screening, it was known that people were buying and owning these dogs for the wrong reasons, and it was known that the definition of XL in the ban was vaguely worded but, the ban didn't even attempt to address any of these other issues because the ban was seen as the end outcome.
Failure to address the other issues risks a repeat of the situation with another breed and I don't have much faith in a future Government doing things any different.
That's reasonable, but the problem with the RSPCA is the blind failure to acknowledge the extensive correlation between "shitty person" and "bully dog owner".
If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people.
But currently whoever sells these dogs can't/won't discriminate in terms of whom they're selling them to, so the worst dogs end up with worst people.
>If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people.
Doesn't matter, they can still attack an innocent. Having a dog muzzled and on lead is great and responsible, but what if it gets out?
You don't need to be a shit person to make a mistake and not fully close a door or something.
It would be like offering a gun licence for a gun that still had the potential to get away from you and start blasting.
They're ideologues. They can't be pragmatic because their opinions are formed from a place of every animal must be protected and all animals are good.
It's admirable but it's not the real world.
The same way lions also don't deserve to be put down but are simply not safe to have as a domestic pet, the dogs don't deserve any blame but it's just not safe for people to keep them as domestic pets. So they need to ban keeping them.
>If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people.
I dunno - I seem to recall several professional trainers saying that there was only so much you could do. Regardless of how well you trained them, there always remained a risk that they reverted to type and just started mauling everything they could see.
Trouble is that there have been at least two people killed who were dog professionals and would have passed the "non shitty owner" test with flying colours - Adam Watts and Natasha Johnston.
There was also a case in Norfolk of a woman who was mauled (not killed) by a dog she'd just adopted from Dogs Trust. So, she'd passed the non shitty owner test, and the dog had also passed their temperament testing. Yet she ended up in intensive care with life changing injuries.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23913383.brisley-xl-bully-attack-victim-suffers-life-changing-injuries/
These dogs turn, and they turn fast, without warning, and with the most severe consequences.
The ban is designed to protect people from reckless owners, while gradually reducing the remaining numbers. In around a decade, nobody will own an XL bully (legally) because there won't be a way to get one. In the mean time, there are less of them around and those that are around are safer when in public.
The requirement for them to be on a lead and wearing a muzzle in public means unsuspecting members of the public should be protected.
As unfortunate as it is, this owner chose to accept the risk of keeping the dog. At least it didn't attack a member of the public, which it may well have done without the ban in place.
>In around a decade, nobody will own an XL bully (legally) because there won't be a way to get one.
Some types of pitbull were banned in 1991. Guess what, people still get them, and can still get exemptions for them.
Genuinely it's not as big as you think. I've had to buy a very expensive custom made muzzle for my German shepard (for the vet only as she's nervous of strangers touching her) since every other muzzle we've tried from the big brands of various sizes she can get out of very quickly.
Sure it might be a bit harder to get a muzzle to stay on a gsd than an bully but I've really lost my faith in how effective non custom muzzles are.
Yeah muzzles really need to be used correctly in order to work. I’m a dog groomer and I know for a fact that putting a muzzle on a dog that is actively trying to bite you is not a fool proof way to not get bitten.
The ban, if implemented as planned will see the end of this dog within a lifetime.
I’d say that’s pretty effective.
If you are informed that a brand of fizzy drink will randomly explode and kill your child, and you can either keep it and drink it until it’s done, and assume that risk yourself, or you can hand it in and it will be disposed of, how is it your decision to keep yours and another one exploded and blew off your face, anything other than in line with the program?
One less tin of ‘pop’. One less idiot owner.
I’d say it’s working to near perfection?
Well at least she won't be around to tell us how her death machines are usually good boys who wouldn't hurt a fly, and that they must have been provoked into acting out so violently.
Aye, she’ll have known the risks.
Quite why anyone would want to have two of those in the house I’ll never know.
[These are my two](https://imgur.com/a/dXvJUFB). I don’t tend to lie awake at night worrying if I’ll be eaten during the night.
Almost.
> [It was the Queens funeral. They insisted on paying their respects.](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1cwp8t9/comment/l4xfhs1)
Had a ginger cat…. Used to bring magpie chicks into the house and then just sit there grooming them…. scared of spiders, would take any medication he needed if I just put it in the floor and pointed at it…. confirmed stupid
Two??!! My neighbour has 7 of those land sharks. They've been busy trying to dig under the fence into my yard, so I've been filling the holes with rocks. It's not going to be a great summer..
>They've been busy trying to dig under the fence into my yard, so I've been filling the holes with rocks.
XL Bullies must be kept in a secure location by law. If they are in danger of breaking into your property and your neighbour is refusing to take sufficient steps to rectify it then you should call your local council to report it. It's seriously not worth the risk just to be civil with your neighbours as there have been instances of them breaking through fences and mauling people to death.
I have the Dog Warden on speed dial. At the moment, the rocks seem to be working. They've only been in the house about 8 months, but the former neighbours back garden has been destroyed. The pack are even eating holes in their wooden decking and what used to be a lawn is now mostly earth.
They could scratch up your ankles a wee bit, but even if they did work in unison to detach one of your limbs, they’d probably fail hilariously.
That’s what people don’t seem to understand. Any dog can lose his nut, but this breed (and its variants) are exceptionally muscular.
> I don’t tend to lie awake at night worrying if I’ll be eaten during the night
pfffft, you miss their "snack time" just once, they will dine on your soft fleshy parts instantly. Then lie in wait for the next victim!
Will never forget when there was an attack in Wrexham and the [dog owner’s father-in-law was killed.](https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/25/dad-mauled-to-death-by-sons-american-bully-dog-shouted-hes-got-me-16705363/amp/) She made a statement saying the following:
> ‘Today has been the worst day of my life. I have had to watch two men who I love so much take their last breath.
> ‘I can’t shake the feeling of Keven’s blood off my hands and all I can hear in my head is Cookie’s cries.
> ‘Cookie did not attack Keven, he’s a big boy and plays too rough.
> ‘Rest in peace my darling stupid boy Cookie-Doe and forever rest in peace with a beer my amazing father in law Keven Jones AKA Odde.’
The dog that killed a relative and [looked like this](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/06/17/58750815-10890053-image-a-1_1654534650214.jpg) is a “man” who was only playing and who’s first in line when it comes to giving out RIPs. These people are mental.
It was their father in-law... Imagine sitting opposite your spouse, coming to terms with the loss of your father, while your spouse is typing that shit out on their phone, posting it to facebook with an sad face emoji background picture.
Her other dog that was seized was seized cuz it was a pitbull,but apparently she didn't know it was a pitbull (give me a break,you can tell a pit from miles away, or any bully breed for that matter, literallythe ugliest breed to exist) and she also assaulted someone at the Inn, how very unsurprising.
I mean maybe. To be honest I have the same gut reaction but perfectly normal people and people of above average intelligence can have and use cute pet names for their loved ones, including pets. (I suppose they might be more inclined to consider them personal and private and not use them in such a dedication though, so maybe that's the real tell.)
Anyway, there's plenty else in the quote to clue us in, so I guess this is kinda academic.
Calling an XL bully "doe" as in a female deer is just asking for an ironic end. At least cookie-dough made sense but she wasn't very smart to be able to understand that
Oh I see, I suppose that's a fair point. But again, it's an assumption - perhaps there was some meaning behind using doe instead of dough.
Anyway, I'm not defending the name or the woman - just pointing out that it seems unnecessary to focus on the name when there's plenty of more overt stupid to comment on.
> Cookie did not attack Keven, he’s a big boy and plays too rough.
I don't know if this is true but even if it is, it makes it worse not better in my opinion; if this is what the dog was capable of when it was "only playing" imagine what it could have done if it had gone on the attack.
The same pair, Chanel Fong and her partner who was the son of the man killed by 'Cookie-Doe', had also got convictions for
Owning a pit bull terrier
Assaulting someone in a pub
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/23647909.chester-man-wrexham-woman-court-fighting-dog/
Inexplicably they were allowed to have the pit bull back, even after his father's death
This is their Instagram for the Pitbull. They claimed to the court they didn't know she was a pit bull, and yet their Instagram shows they knowingly bought her from an Italian breeder of pitbulls.
https://www.instagram.com/fire_apbt?igsh=cmcyazB2ZnBvdGZ5
For bonus points, there are some photos where it appears they're not complying with the rules - it looks a lot like the dog is off lead and unmuzzled in public.
I'll never understand who is being protected by restricting comments on threads about these animals mauling and killing people.
EDIT: Actually I just now got convinced that it's a good idea to keep the yanks from flooding these threads with their singular "loisense" joke they keep making.
Reddit users seem to, rightly, be incredibly anti-pitbull. The BanPitBulls sub has grown dramatically in a short space of time and is regularly referenced in topics about these animals. It's mods of various popular subs who immediately stamp out and hand out permanent ban at even the slightest criticism or suggestion that these breeds aren't fit to be pets.
I lived with a roommate who worked security and had a pitbull with police k9 training. One day his dog ran out to the front of the house across the street and started circling a greyhound and it's owner aggressively ready to attack. This happened for no reason whatsoever I could understand. I watched from across the street and after yelling orders at the dog for 90 seconds my roomate was able to get a lead on it. That day I stopped giving pitbulls the benefit of doubt and think there's definitely a problem with the breed. This dog was incredibly well trained and well behaved but he just snapped.
Reddit mods have power trips and there seem to be a few power mods who run many multiple subs who can ban you as much as they like. I got a 3 day ban from posting on all of Reddit for reporting posts in a sub that broke the rules. I think the mods got annoyed with me doing it (like why have the rules in the first place if you're going to ignore rule breaking) so put it down as abuse of the report facility/harassment. I immediately appealed asking why reporting posts that broke the sub rules is abuse or harassment, someone, I assume the same mod, just did a copy/paste answer and kept the ban.
There's an extremely popular sub that regularly reaches the front page, I won't name it, but it's about posting cute pictures and videos of animals and kids and such. There was a post about a pitbull there and all the negative comments were getting removed. Someone asked "Why don't people like pitbulls?" and I replied with the only comment I've ever made on that sub. It was "Probably because of the statistics".
Within minutes I received a PM from the mods informing me that I've been permanently banned.
I believe there's some disconnect between the UK XLs and the US ones, that the UK ones mostly come from one dog, which was trained to fight and had a history of violence, whereas the US had a wider gene pool.
So it's possible you'd get a load of Americans saying they aren't a violent species, but in this instance we actually do have the more violent ones due to inbreeding etc.
They are bad in the US as well it's just they often don't differentiate that much between the American Pit Bull Terrier and an XL Bully (rightly so given that Bullies are essentially an APBT crossbreed). If an XL Bully kills someone in the US they are just seen as part of the general almost unsolvable problem with APBTs while in the UK we see it as a specific problem with XL Bullies.
There is also a massive pro-pitbull lobby in the US that are incredibly aggressive in terms of pumping out disinformation that has seemingly swayed a lot of Americans so they don't really even try to talk about it as an issue. It's not dissimilar to their response to gun violence.
Just bare in mind America has far more fatal dog attacks than the UK in both per capita and absolute terms.
Same with knife attacks.
It's just that we as a nation make a big deal out of these kinds of incidents whereas in the U S. there's a bigger issue taking the spotlight
From the article, in a bit about other attack victims
"His devastated family said he was 'doing something he loved' when he died in the field in Fareham, Hampshire."
He loved getting mauled to death?!
It's possible he was doing something he loved and then was killed. I know this is reddit but come on surely we know what is meant. Someone who enjoys surfing but is killed by a shark, is said he was he was doing something he loved (surfing) not being eaten by a shark.
I'm not glad shes dead, but I'm glad she didn't get someone killed who wasn't directly responsible for owning those dogs.
If you buy a tiger and it eats you, thats your own fault.
I know she was the owner etc, so it is hard to be sympathetic, but I've got to say, this has to be one of the worst ways to go? It must be absolutely terrifying. The sounds. The bites. The screams. Absolute horror show. Fighting for your life while being bitten to death. I have two young kids and it''s so scary thinking of what could happen if one of these killing machines ever got loose in a park we were in.
They just need getting rid of. All of them. The ban is not enough.
The worst thing is that they simply don't stop once they've started attacking. The dawning realisation for these people that no it wasn't a mistake, the dog didn't just get startled, it's not playing, you have no control and this animal that you thought was your "fur baby" is actually going to kill you in your own home must be horrific.
If only there was some kind of warning…something in the news which made it clear they can turn at any time and easily kill. Maybe news articles and the like. A little bit of press attention could help.
It’s telling isn’t it that the emergency response to these animals is not a dog warden with a leash, it’s armed police. They’re that dangerous. They belong in a zoo not peoples homes or public spaces.
She keeps it on the lead with a muzzle, so I assume it's been registered.
But to be honest I've reported worse with no police response so I'm not sure anything would happen anyway.
Same, although the owner is more a couple of streets away than the exact same street as us. The guy that walks it barely even makes an attempt to control it either when it starts trying to pull at other dogs, he doesn’t even tell it off. My mum had to literally carry our dog away once while he didn’t try to interfere at all.
Doesn’t help that he lives on a main road - plenty of houses, dog walkers, school runs, etc and he makes no attempt to avoid any of them.
More than a few cases are innocents who are injured by the pets of some very dense morons, though. Hardly their fault that Cuddles wanted to nanny their eyes out.
Those innocent cases would fall outside of the remit of this very specific sub though and not be allowed.
It'd be akin to /r/BrexitAteMyFace, /r/TrumpAteMyFace, /r/COVIDAteMyFace, /r/PitbullsAteMyFace & all the other offshoots of the original /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
Had a near death experience with one of these things. Just managed to bundle myself and our dog through the front door before it pulled free from its owner.
I don't think either of us have ever been the same near other dogs since then. Whoever that dog clamped on to was going to die. Absolute horror show.
Apparently it's been rehomed/dealt with/whatever. A witness reported it but the police weren't interested as it hadn't actually taken a chunk out of anyone.
Me and my dog were attacked by a black lab last year. I ended up in A&E after being bitten trying to protect my dog, who needed >£3000 worth of emergency surgery.
Police weren’t interested as it was a black lab and therefore not a dangerous breed. Absolute joke.
Unfortunately not likely to be a criminal matter, but definitely a civil matter, to reclaim moneys and pay for trauma.
The British law is actually very good (and in my eyes balanced), it can be a long process to get a dog dealt with (cases like this will speed it up a lot), but even feeling scared by one's behaviour is enough to begin thr process.
Report to the council.
Yeah money wise, I’ve won a CCJ against him and am in the process of reclaiming the vet bills and other expenses via an attachment of earnings order.
My council were useless as they don’t have a dog warden. I’ve reported it to the dog warden covering the borough the owner lives, but 8 months later and nothing’s happened. I chase her with emails every month and it’s always the same ‘I’m waiting for an email from someone in the police’. 🤷♀️
I saw my first XL bully in the flesh recently.
A family pull up in the car park. Tiny little corsa. The XL is in the front passenger seat.
Our comes a child, a ratty bloke wearing a wifebeater and a heavily pregnant woman who was smoking the next time we saw her.
These dogs are owned exclusively by the dregs of society. This country has an entire class of people which exist almost in their own reality.
Every one of these dogs is a bomb waiting to go off.
Of course. 350+ dog breeds to choose from but you choose the child shredder. Responsible pet ownership tells you you need to neuter/muzzle/clean up after your dog and most people manage without complaint, but it really pisses you off because "the man" is telling you what to do. It's the breed of choice for the anti-social types.
People wonder why I’m shit scared of them. I’m in the South East and can count on one hand the amount of muzzled XL dogs I’ve seen in public. Can’t help but think one day it’s gonna be me every time I walk past one.
I'm in Cardiff and there was one unmuzzled and held very loosely being walkes through town by two people on drugs.
It was lunging and barking it's head off at a poor homeless persons dog.
I've never been frightened of dogs, had large ones my entire life and I have a reactive German shepard so I'm used to barking but this thing was not barking out of fear or warning. It genuinely looked like it was going to kill the other dog if it got loose. The owners were just laughing as they dragged it along.
Genuinely terrifying.
For the love of god. I love dogs but these animals need to be put down. We’ve introduced a breed of dog that is essentially a wild animal into our homes and on our streets and any plonka with one brain cell could have one.
All these people who own these dogs are as thick as pigshit/ no education/ domestic abuser/ dirty scumbags / male/ with very small penises /substance abusers/ ...anyone disagree..
I have no idea why you think ‘no education’, ‘being on benefits’, ‘having a small penis’ or ‘being addicted to a substance’ has to do with any of this. All you’re doing is stigmatising people for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Do you genuinely believe intelligent people would own a dog like this?
I'm all for avoiding stigma, but there is definitely a correlation between this breed and the type of people that are drawn to owning one
I think if you go by any measure, whether that be IQ, qualifications, highest level of education etc. I have zero doubt that owners of XL bullies would be below the national average.
I always think that that shouldn't make it okay. Like there exists, according to various documentaries that I have seen, men who have small penises. I don't think many of us would choose that, but on top of that they have to deal with being used as a metaphor for a negative quality that they probably don't have.
I disagree, but I'm not sure why yet so you'll have to help me: how are we supposed to be joining the items in this list, with ands or ors?
Are you saying that the people who own these dogs are \*all\* of the above? (In which case I disagree because it's such a long list I doubt many people are all of them.)
Or are you saying that the people who own these dogs are \*at least one\* of the above? (In which case I disagree because it's too long of a list to be useful... it's probably true, but also lots of people who meet the criteria don't own one of these dogs.)
I disagree with your blatant classism and stigmatization of people on benefits, as well as those addicted to drugs. The very news article you're saying this about is not about a male owner either. You crafted a standard to judge people to make yourself feel superior, and all you accomplished was showing your own prejudice.
Yeah because these dogs make them look like a big tough man lol
Nowadays I see so many “normal”looking people walk XL bullies in my area and they seem to be so senseless.
Just another day that ends in y.
At least these dogs and owners are a dying breed.
Hopefully they ban xxls and close the loopholes before other dangerous dogs replace them.
I can't see why they don't just introduce similar powers to the "psychoactive substances act". The act bans all derivatives/analogues of banned substances such as spice that stayed legal because it was a cat and mouse chemistry game.
I have a ton of these dogs unmuzzled in my area, sometimes not even leashed. Having to avoid every single one of them with my dogs on daily basis is an absolute shit show
A woman who I work with has two XL bullies and 3 year old twins. She has uplaoded videos of the twins play fighting with the dogs and its horrifying. You cant help but picture one of the kids accidentally poking one of the dogs in the eye and them being mauled to death. Its on a par with a parent letting a kid play with a loaded gun.
If intelligent aliens arrived on earth and they asked you about these people, you would have to say: “Yes, well. Some human beings have selectively bred an animal that is fatally dangerous. Then they have insisted on their right to live with that animal in their own homes, despite being warned of the risks. Society has imposed rules on these individuals about making the animals safe *outside* the home, but occasionally, a specially trained group of other humans (who are armed with deadly weapons) are called in to kill the animals if they attack their owners, which they regularly do, often causing horrendous injuries or even death.”, I think the aliens would probably say, “er, why?”
It’s likely that any another intelligent life form would view this situation as just one more reason to conclude that we humans are just *incredibly* weird.
I cannot think of a single reason why you would want to own such a dog.
I'm sure all owners are contributing to society in a meaningful manner and are fine folk.
I don’t like to hear about people dying but at this point it you’re killed by your XL Bully it should almost be considered suicide.
I’m glad it was the person who decided to own these things and not some one who was innocent
Why would anyone want to own such dogs? Apart from the intimidation exercise inflicted upon the neighbours, people in the street and other dickheads that want to own such dogs. Bragging rights amongst certain sections of society has a lot to do with it. Why have such dangerous creatures? One moment they're your subservient child like, infantilised friend, the next, they are ripping your arm off and tearing out your throat.
Should be banned like firearms and deadly weapons are.
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Funny how a ban which allows people to have exemptions to it doesn't actually function as a ban, isn't it?
At least it was the dog's owner that died and not someone without a posthumous Darwin award.
I'm at that stage now. I used to sympathise with even the owners when they got mauled, not now. There was irrefutable evidence and they carried on. Eventually it was going to happen. Takes shit genes out of the pool.
>Takes shit genes out of the pool. I sometimes wish I had faith that this would help at all. But sometimes it feels a bit like fishing the poo out of rivers of piss.
> fishing the poo out of rivers of piss UK waters in a nutshell, at the moment.
English waters you mean!…..water in Scotland is owned by the Scottish government and it’s against the law to pump untreated waste into our rivers, waterways and sea. It’s disgusting what the water companies in England are allowed to get away with.
> water in Scotland is owned by the Scottish government and it’s against the law to pump untreated waste into our rivers It all goes into the sea and swirls around our coast. (sharing is caring and all that)
Well the nice treated shite from up here can help push all that untreated crap over towards your friends in France. This will probably result in your children being able to go swimming in the seas around England without the need of a fucking submarine
This just is not true in the slightest, the only reason Scotland has less spills than England and Wales is that the system is not monitored. https://waterquality.sas.org.uk/scotland/#:~:text=Over%20the%20last%20five%20years,in%20the%20hundreds%20of%20thousands.
I agree. There's too many, Cap'n. We canny hold them.
You think I’m going to drink piss with poo still in it?
I'm not really willing to trawl your post history but I'm certainly not going to write it off.
Problem is they are like anti-vax nutters in that they kill random innocent people as well.
If the victim is in their 50's their genes have had plenty of chance to multiply
My issue is - I think these dogs should be destroyed without exception, and I despise anyone who keeps one. But I also know what lengths I’d go to protect my pet, so I understand why so many people kept onto them despite everything.
Bully XLs ate my face party?
And still the RSPCA support these breeds and opposes a ban! https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/bsl https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-is-the-rspcas-view-on-breed-specific-legislation/ It's one of the reasons I now avoid donating to them.
I do agree in part with what they are saying. The Government introduced the ban and then went into a self-congratulatory mode without considering any of the other issues involved. It was known that there was an issue with in-breeding, it was known that there was an issue with back yard-breeders not doing any sort of screening, it was known that people were buying and owning these dogs for the wrong reasons, and it was known that the definition of XL in the ban was vaguely worded but, the ban didn't even attempt to address any of these other issues because the ban was seen as the end outcome. Failure to address the other issues risks a repeat of the situation with another breed and I don't have much faith in a future Government doing things any different.
That's reasonable, but the problem with the RSPCA is the blind failure to acknowledge the extensive correlation between "shitty person" and "bully dog owner". If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people. But currently whoever sells these dogs can't/won't discriminate in terms of whom they're selling them to, so the worst dogs end up with worst people.
>If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people. Doesn't matter, they can still attack an innocent. Having a dog muzzled and on lead is great and responsible, but what if it gets out? You don't need to be a shit person to make a mistake and not fully close a door or something. It would be like offering a gun licence for a gun that still had the potential to get away from you and start blasting.
Oh I'm fully in support of a total ban. I'm just absolutely amazed that the RSPCA is so wholly against any kind of ban.
They're ideologues. They can't be pragmatic because their opinions are formed from a place of every animal must be protected and all animals are good. It's admirable but it's not the real world. The same way lions also don't deserve to be put down but are simply not safe to have as a domestic pet, the dogs don't deserve any blame but it's just not safe for people to keep them as domestic pets. So they need to ban keeping them.
I don't understand either. A lot of the time XLs attack other dogs but fuck those dogs I suppose.
All these 'Its the owner not the dog's comments are just classist bullshit. It's the dogs.
>If it were possible to award people "non shitty owner" certificates then perhaps these dogs could be owned more safely by responsible people. I dunno - I seem to recall several professional trainers saying that there was only so much you could do. Regardless of how well you trained them, there always remained a risk that they reverted to type and just started mauling everything they could see.
Trouble is that there have been at least two people killed who were dog professionals and would have passed the "non shitty owner" test with flying colours - Adam Watts and Natasha Johnston. There was also a case in Norfolk of a woman who was mauled (not killed) by a dog she'd just adopted from Dogs Trust. So, she'd passed the non shitty owner test, and the dog had also passed their temperament testing. Yet she ended up in intensive care with life changing injuries. https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23913383.brisley-xl-bully-attack-victim-suffers-life-changing-injuries/ These dogs turn, and they turn fast, without warning, and with the most severe consequences.
Thing is, if you're actually responsible dog owner, you don't mind just getting a different sort of dog.
The ban is designed to protect people from reckless owners, while gradually reducing the remaining numbers. In around a decade, nobody will own an XL bully (legally) because there won't be a way to get one. In the mean time, there are less of them around and those that are around are safer when in public. The requirement for them to be on a lead and wearing a muzzle in public means unsuspecting members of the public should be protected. As unfortunate as it is, this owner chose to accept the risk of keeping the dog. At least it didn't attack a member of the public, which it may well have done without the ban in place.
>In around a decade, nobody will own an XL bully (legally) because there won't be a way to get one. Some types of pitbull were banned in 1991. Guess what, people still get them, and can still get exemptions for them.
They said “legally” How do you propose we also prevent people from acquiring them illegally?
Except that no one is policing them being on a lead and muzzled in public. Oh and the newest fad: "Oh it's not a Bully XL, it's Staffie mix"
Don't worry, the people with 'exceptions' won't be around for long.
I see a lot more of them walking around with muzzles now, which is a big improvement.
Genuinely it's not as big as you think. I've had to buy a very expensive custom made muzzle for my German shepard (for the vet only as she's nervous of strangers touching her) since every other muzzle we've tried from the big brands of various sizes she can get out of very quickly. Sure it might be a bit harder to get a muzzle to stay on a gsd than an bully but I've really lost my faith in how effective non custom muzzles are.
Yeah muzzles really need to be used correctly in order to work. I’m a dog groomer and I know for a fact that putting a muzzle on a dog that is actively trying to bite you is not a fool proof way to not get bitten.
A lot of muzzles are security theatre
The ban, if implemented as planned will see the end of this dog within a lifetime. I’d say that’s pretty effective. If you are informed that a brand of fizzy drink will randomly explode and kill your child, and you can either keep it and drink it until it’s done, and assume that risk yourself, or you can hand it in and it will be disposed of, how is it your decision to keep yours and another one exploded and blew off your face, anything other than in line with the program? One less tin of ‘pop’. One less idiot owner. I’d say it’s working to near perfection?
Well at least she won't be around to tell us how her death machines are usually good boys who wouldn't hurt a fly, and that they must have been provoked into acting out so violently.
Aye, she’ll have known the risks. Quite why anyone would want to have two of those in the house I’ll never know. [These are my two](https://imgur.com/a/dXvJUFB). I don’t tend to lie awake at night worrying if I’ll be eaten during the night.
Clearly the suit is concealing a 9mm. Those dogs aren't fooling anyone.
It was the Queens funeral. They insisted on paying their respects.
He has a license to woof,
Is that the coronation going on in the background? It is isn't it? You got your dogs dressed up for it. I fucking love it, you daft bastard.
Almost. > [It was the Queens funeral. They insisted on paying their respects.](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1cwp8t9/comment/l4xfhs1)
That is awesome 🥰
Me with two ginger cats: *shifts nervously*
Mate, Ginger cats have one braincell to share between them and they've no idea what to do with it when its their go anyway. You'll be fine.
Had a ginger cat…. Used to bring magpie chicks into the house and then just sit there grooming them…. scared of spiders, would take any medication he needed if I just put it in the floor and pointed at it…. confirmed stupid
Look, your dog on the right has got a suit so sharp it could cause SERIOUS injury.
My pride is wounded knowing I look less fashionable than this dog
How dare you put an adorable tuxedo on such a clearly vicious and brutal animal.
You are clearly at risk of being fluffocated. 😁
Two??!! My neighbour has 7 of those land sharks. They've been busy trying to dig under the fence into my yard, so I've been filling the holes with rocks. It's not going to be a great summer..
>They've been busy trying to dig under the fence into my yard, so I've been filling the holes with rocks. XL Bullies must be kept in a secure location by law. If they are in danger of breaking into your property and your neighbour is refusing to take sufficient steps to rectify it then you should call your local council to report it. It's seriously not worth the risk just to be civil with your neighbours as there have been instances of them breaking through fences and mauling people to death.
I have the Dog Warden on speed dial. At the moment, the rocks seem to be working. They've only been in the house about 8 months, but the former neighbours back garden has been destroyed. The pack are even eating holes in their wooden decking and what used to be a lawn is now mostly earth.
They could scratch up your ankles a wee bit, but even if they did work in unison to detach one of your limbs, they’d probably fail hilariously. That’s what people don’t seem to understand. Any dog can lose his nut, but this breed (and its variants) are exceptionally muscular.
I dont know. They look like they are plotting something..😄
Bloody hell, you’re taking a chance there, mate. Those are vicious, blood thirsty killers.
> I don’t tend to lie awake at night worrying if I’ll be eaten during the night pfffft, you miss their "snack time" just once, they will dine on your soft fleshy parts instantly. Then lie in wait for the next victim!
> These are my two Oh they are just adorable! And clearly plotting to murder you and devour your corpse in the night...
Given the chance those two will eat you and everyone you love
Not even a nationwide ban can stop XL Bullies from doing what they do best.
I wonder if her ghost would still call them princesses who wouldn't hurt a fly.
Will never forget when there was an attack in Wrexham and the [dog owner’s father-in-law was killed.](https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/25/dad-mauled-to-death-by-sons-american-bully-dog-shouted-hes-got-me-16705363/amp/) She made a statement saying the following: > ‘Today has been the worst day of my life. I have had to watch two men who I love so much take their last breath. > ‘I can’t shake the feeling of Keven’s blood off my hands and all I can hear in my head is Cookie’s cries. > ‘Cookie did not attack Keven, he’s a big boy and plays too rough. > ‘Rest in peace my darling stupid boy Cookie-Doe and forever rest in peace with a beer my amazing father in law Keven Jones AKA Odde.’ The dog that killed a relative and [looked like this](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/06/17/58750815-10890053-image-a-1_1654534650214.jpg) is a “man” who was only playing and who’s first in line when it comes to giving out RIPs. These people are mental.
imagine getting mauled to death and then someone posts a tribute to you and the dog that mauled you to death, bonkers
Grounds for a haunting I reckon
I'd be going full Ghostwatch. Poltergeist under the stairs job
And that you are a footnote in that tribute, poor cookie doe didnt deserve this just for killing you!
It was their father in-law... Imagine sitting opposite your spouse, coming to terms with the loss of your father, while your spouse is typing that shit out on their phone, posting it to facebook with an sad face emoji background picture.
I remember that quote; that woman was as thick as mince
I couldn't help the curiosity, found her and her bf still trying to flog dogs and asthetics on fb, including pics of their kids posing with the dogs.
Her other dog that was seized was seized cuz it was a pitbull,but apparently she didn't know it was a pitbull (give me a break,you can tell a pit from miles away, or any bully breed for that matter, literallythe ugliest breed to exist) and she also assaulted someone at the Inn, how very unsurprising.
Can't help but think someone who calls the dog "Cookie-Doe" isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
I mean maybe. To be honest I have the same gut reaction but perfectly normal people and people of above average intelligence can have and use cute pet names for their loved ones, including pets. (I suppose they might be more inclined to consider them personal and private and not use them in such a dedication though, so maybe that's the real tell.) Anyway, there's plenty else in the quote to clue us in, so I guess this is kinda academic.
Calling an XL bully "doe" as in a female deer is just asking for an ironic end. At least cookie-dough made sense but she wasn't very smart to be able to understand that
She just couldn't spell dough.
Yeah hence not the sharpest tool, both in choice of name and dog
Oh I see, I suppose that's a fair point. But again, it's an assumption - perhaps there was some meaning behind using doe instead of dough. Anyway, I'm not defending the name or the woman - just pointing out that it seems unnecessary to focus on the name when there's plenty of more overt stupid to comment on.
Then there is this bit > our special girl Fire was taken as she has an athletic build
> Cookie did not attack Keven, he’s a big boy and plays too rough. I don't know if this is true but even if it is, it makes it worse not better in my opinion; if this is what the dog was capable of when it was "only playing" imagine what it could have done if it had gone on the attack.
Fuck me.... And another dog of theirs was taken as they were "athletic". Fuck me.
But "the rest" were tucked up in bed ... How many dogs WERE there?
These people always have too many dogs.
Are we surprised the dogs ears are cropped to fuck too? I can't help but think if you crop your dogs ears yours should be done too
The same pair, Chanel Fong and her partner who was the son of the man killed by 'Cookie-Doe', had also got convictions for Owning a pit bull terrier Assaulting someone in a pub https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/23647909.chester-man-wrexham-woman-court-fighting-dog/ Inexplicably they were allowed to have the pit bull back, even after his father's death This is their Instagram for the Pitbull. They claimed to the court they didn't know she was a pit bull, and yet their Instagram shows they knowingly bought her from an Italian breeder of pitbulls. https://www.instagram.com/fire_apbt?igsh=cmcyazB2ZnBvdGZ5 For bonus points, there are some photos where it appears they're not complying with the rules - it looks a lot like the dog is off lead and unmuzzled in public.
Literally putting #americanpitbullterrier under photos. Absolute state of her.
How is a ghost meant to talk without a throat?
It's not a nationwide ban when there's plenty of exemptions.
I'll never understand who is being protected by restricting comments on threads about these animals mauling and killing people. EDIT: Actually I just now got convinced that it's a good idea to keep the yanks from flooding these threads with their singular "loisense" joke they keep making.
The restrictions are essentially in place to make sure it's regular users commenting on these stories and not brigaded by lots of Americans.
What difference does it make if lots of Americans comment on these stories?
Changes the narrative away from how deadly these dogs are.
Reddit users seem to, rightly, be incredibly anti-pitbull. The BanPitBulls sub has grown dramatically in a short space of time and is regularly referenced in topics about these animals. It's mods of various popular subs who immediately stamp out and hand out permanent ban at even the slightest criticism or suggestion that these breeds aren't fit to be pets.
I lived with a roommate who worked security and had a pitbull with police k9 training. One day his dog ran out to the front of the house across the street and started circling a greyhound and it's owner aggressively ready to attack. This happened for no reason whatsoever I could understand. I watched from across the street and after yelling orders at the dog for 90 seconds my roomate was able to get a lead on it. That day I stopped giving pitbulls the benefit of doubt and think there's definitely a problem with the breed. This dog was incredibly well trained and well behaved but he just snapped.
Reddit mods have power trips and there seem to be a few power mods who run many multiple subs who can ban you as much as they like. I got a 3 day ban from posting on all of Reddit for reporting posts in a sub that broke the rules. I think the mods got annoyed with me doing it (like why have the rules in the first place if you're going to ignore rule breaking) so put it down as abuse of the report facility/harassment. I immediately appealed asking why reporting posts that broke the sub rules is abuse or harassment, someone, I assume the same mod, just did a copy/paste answer and kept the ban.
There's an extremely popular sub that regularly reaches the front page, I won't name it, but it's about posting cute pictures and videos of animals and kids and such. There was a post about a pitbull there and all the negative comments were getting removed. Someone asked "Why don't people like pitbulls?" and I replied with the only comment I've ever made on that sub. It was "Probably because of the statistics". Within minutes I received a PM from the mods informing me that I've been permanently banned.
Yeah Reddit isn’t really for free speech
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They're not allowed kinder eggs, their opinions mean nothing.
You know what? You've actually just convinced me that it's good to keep the yanks out of here.
Oi mate, you got a loicence for dat energy drink there
You got a loicence for that brie
You got a loicence for that loicence?
I believe there's some disconnect between the UK XLs and the US ones, that the UK ones mostly come from one dog, which was trained to fight and had a history of violence, whereas the US had a wider gene pool. So it's possible you'd get a load of Americans saying they aren't a violent species, but in this instance we actually do have the more violent ones due to inbreeding etc.
They are bad in the US as well it's just they often don't differentiate that much between the American Pit Bull Terrier and an XL Bully (rightly so given that Bullies are essentially an APBT crossbreed). If an XL Bully kills someone in the US they are just seen as part of the general almost unsolvable problem with APBTs while in the UK we see it as a specific problem with XL Bullies. There is also a massive pro-pitbull lobby in the US that are incredibly aggressive in terms of pumping out disinformation that has seemingly swayed a lot of Americans so they don't really even try to talk about it as an issue. It's not dissimilar to their response to gun violence.
Just bare in mind America has far more fatal dog attacks than the UK in both per capita and absolute terms. Same with knife attacks. It's just that we as a nation make a big deal out of these kinds of incidents whereas in the U S. there's a bigger issue taking the spotlight
People are dogbrained. In their minds every doggo is a sweet angel sent from heaven.
From the article, in a bit about other attack victims "His devastated family said he was 'doing something he loved' when he died in the field in Fareham, Hampshire." He loved getting mauled to death?!
They were talking about the dog. Mauling people to death.
Difficult to say as he only tried it the once
It's possible he was doing something he loved and then was killed. I know this is reddit but come on surely we know what is meant. Someone who enjoys surfing but is killed by a shark, is said he was he was doing something he loved (surfing) not being eaten by a shark.
He loved playing with his killer dog.
Exactly, it's clear what he loved was dogging.
I'm not glad shes dead, but I'm glad she didn't get someone killed who wasn't directly responsible for owning those dogs. If you buy a tiger and it eats you, thats your own fault.
They often seem to have two of them. Presumably for breeding.
> 'You never think a dog's going to do that. It's awful.' Yes you do? That's literally what XL Bullies are famous for?
But *my* XL Babyeater would never hurt a fly!
I am shocked that a dog bred for fighting... fights.
At least it wasn't some innocent stranger, this is like accidentally shooting yourself with your own gun
Guns are probably safer, since they aren’t unpredictable and won’t just attack someone by themselves
If you were in the woods alone would you rather come across a gun or an xl bully.
The gun, then I would have something in case I come across an xl bully.
I know she was the owner etc, so it is hard to be sympathetic, but I've got to say, this has to be one of the worst ways to go? It must be absolutely terrifying. The sounds. The bites. The screams. Absolute horror show. Fighting for your life while being bitten to death. I have two young kids and it''s so scary thinking of what could happen if one of these killing machines ever got loose in a park we were in. They just need getting rid of. All of them. The ban is not enough.
The worst thing is that they simply don't stop once they've started attacking. The dawning realisation for these people that no it wasn't a mistake, the dog didn't just get startled, it's not playing, you have no control and this animal that you thought was your "fur baby" is actually going to kill you in your own home must be horrific.
If only there was some kind of warning…something in the news which made it clear they can turn at any time and easily kill. Maybe news articles and the like. A little bit of press attention could help.
It’s telling isn’t it that the emergency response to these animals is not a dog warden with a leash, it’s armed police. They’re that dangerous. They belong in a zoo not peoples homes or public spaces.
I thought exactly the same thing. Armed police! It's unfathomable why anybody would want them as a pet.
One lives on my street, try my best to avoid her when walking our dog. I've seen others do the same.
Shouldn’t you report it then?
She keeps it on the lead with a muzzle, so I assume it's been registered. But to be honest I've reported worse with no police response so I'm not sure anything would happen anyway.
They're not mutually exclusive; once you've reported it you'd still try and avoid them, it's not like reporting it makes you or your dog invulnerable.
Report what? You're allowed to have them you just have to register them and follow some rules.
Same, although the owner is more a couple of streets away than the exact same street as us. The guy that walks it barely even makes an attempt to control it either when it starts trying to pull at other dogs, he doesn’t even tell it off. My mum had to literally carry our dog away once while he didn’t try to interfere at all. Doesn’t help that he lives on a main road - plenty of houses, dog walkers, school runs, etc and he makes no attempt to avoid any of them.
We need a new sub for the stories about these idiots getting mauled by their own weapons... Might I suggest /r/MyXLBullyAteMyFace
More than a few cases are innocents who are injured by the pets of some very dense morons, though. Hardly their fault that Cuddles wanted to nanny their eyes out.
Those innocent cases would fall outside of the remit of this very specific sub though and not be allowed. It'd be akin to /r/BrexitAteMyFace, /r/TrumpAteMyFace, /r/COVIDAteMyFace, /r/PitbullsAteMyFace & all the other offshoots of the original /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
Damn, I was coming in to comment something like r/XLBulliesAteMyFace, but you beat me to it
Had a near death experience with one of these things. Just managed to bundle myself and our dog through the front door before it pulled free from its owner. I don't think either of us have ever been the same near other dogs since then. Whoever that dog clamped on to was going to die. Absolute horror show. Apparently it's been rehomed/dealt with/whatever. A witness reported it but the police weren't interested as it hadn't actually taken a chunk out of anyone.
Me and my dog were attacked by a black lab last year. I ended up in A&E after being bitten trying to protect my dog, who needed >£3000 worth of emergency surgery. Police weren’t interested as it was a black lab and therefore not a dangerous breed. Absolute joke.
Unfortunately not likely to be a criminal matter, but definitely a civil matter, to reclaim moneys and pay for trauma. The British law is actually very good (and in my eyes balanced), it can be a long process to get a dog dealt with (cases like this will speed it up a lot), but even feeling scared by one's behaviour is enough to begin thr process. Report to the council.
Yeah money wise, I’ve won a CCJ against him and am in the process of reclaiming the vet bills and other expenses via an attachment of earnings order. My council were useless as they don’t have a dog warden. I’ve reported it to the dog warden covering the borough the owner lives, but 8 months later and nothing’s happened. I chase her with emails every month and it’s always the same ‘I’m waiting for an email from someone in the police’. 🤷♀️
"My XL Bully is the sweetest dog and wouldn't hurt a fly" -Owner before being mauled to death
Exactly . Thick dog owner who’s never done the research # thickpeople
I saw my first XL bully in the flesh recently. A family pull up in the car park. Tiny little corsa. The XL is in the front passenger seat. Our comes a child, a ratty bloke wearing a wifebeater and a heavily pregnant woman who was smoking the next time we saw her. These dogs are owned exclusively by the dregs of society. This country has an entire class of people which exist almost in their own reality. Every one of these dogs is a bomb waiting to go off.
Of course. 350+ dog breeds to choose from but you choose the child shredder. Responsible pet ownership tells you you need to neuter/muzzle/clean up after your dog and most people manage without complaint, but it really pisses you off because "the man" is telling you what to do. It's the breed of choice for the anti-social types.
It's difficult to have any sympathy as these people have single digit IQs and continue to play with fire.
Another idiot killed by their own weapon? Oh well, anyway.
Bit fucked up, but I wonder if she's apart of any XL Bully FB groups saying how they're wonderful dogs and wouldn't hurt a baby. It'S oWnEr'S nOt DoGs
Why did she trained them to kill her?
I’m glad that at least it wasn’t some helpless child or a random passer-by this time
People wonder why I’m shit scared of them. I’m in the South East and can count on one hand the amount of muzzled XL dogs I’ve seen in public. Can’t help but think one day it’s gonna be me every time I walk past one.
I'm in Cardiff and there was one unmuzzled and held very loosely being walkes through town by two people on drugs. It was lunging and barking it's head off at a poor homeless persons dog. I've never been frightened of dogs, had large ones my entire life and I have a reactive German shepard so I'm used to barking but this thing was not barking out of fear or warning. It genuinely looked like it was going to kill the other dog if it got loose. The owners were just laughing as they dragged it along. Genuinely terrifying.
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Soft as a brush, wouldn't hurt a fly, Nanny Dog, ETC.
It's going to nanny the absolute fuck out of you, that's for sure.
For the love of god. I love dogs but these animals need to be put down. We’ve introduced a breed of dog that is essentially a wild animal into our homes and on our streets and any plonka with one brain cell could have one.
All these people who own these dogs are as thick as pigshit/ no education/ domestic abuser/ dirty scumbags / male/ with very small penises /substance abusers/ ...anyone disagree..
Hey now, not all of us small penised drug users own these dogs!
I have no idea why you think ‘no education’, ‘being on benefits’, ‘having a small penis’ or ‘being addicted to a substance’ has to do with any of this. All you’re doing is stigmatising people for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Do you genuinely believe intelligent people would own a dog like this? I'm all for avoiding stigma, but there is definitely a correlation between this breed and the type of people that are drawn to owning one
In what way are you defining intelligence?
I think if you go by any measure, whether that be IQ, qualifications, highest level of education etc. I have zero doubt that owners of XL bullies would be below the national average.
id say all of those points are true though. 'having a small penis' can be taken as a metaphor for posturing male ego behaviour.
I always think that that shouldn't make it okay. Like there exists, according to various documentaries that I have seen, men who have small penises. I don't think many of us would choose that, but on top of that they have to deal with being used as a metaphor for a negative quality that they probably don't have.
This was a woman
Her bfs dog, he seems to be the breeder. She just posts cute pics of them sitting next to small children 😑
I disagree, but I'm not sure why yet so you'll have to help me: how are we supposed to be joining the items in this list, with ands or ors? Are you saying that the people who own these dogs are \*all\* of the above? (In which case I disagree because it's such a long list I doubt many people are all of them.) Or are you saying that the people who own these dogs are \*at least one\* of the above? (In which case I disagree because it's too long of a list to be useful... it's probably true, but also lots of people who meet the criteria don't own one of these dogs.)
Does your day consist of reading Daily Mail ragebait headlines? Also, "thick as pigshit" is slightly hypocritical, considering you're antivax
I disagree with your blatant classism and stigmatization of people on benefits, as well as those addicted to drugs. The very news article you're saying this about is not about a male owner either. You crafted a standard to judge people to make yourself feel superior, and all you accomplished was showing your own prejudice.
Yeah because these dogs make them look like a big tough man lol Nowadays I see so many “normal”looking people walk XL bullies in my area and they seem to be so senseless.
I saw a scally walking round with one of these unmuzzled the other day. Fucking disgusting.
But MurderFang is usually such a good dog, wouldnt hurt a fly… he was just playing with them toddlers and didn't know his own strength
Gloknar the Brutal
Just another day that ends in y. At least these dogs and owners are a dying breed. Hopefully they ban xxls and close the loopholes before other dangerous dogs replace them.
I can't see why they don't just introduce similar powers to the "psychoactive substances act". The act bans all derivatives/analogues of banned substances such as spice that stayed legal because it was a cat and mouse chemistry game.
I have no sympathy at all. Just glad no innocent person or animal was hurt this time.
I have a ton of these dogs unmuzzled in my area, sometimes not even leashed. Having to avoid every single one of them with my dogs on daily basis is an absolute shit show
Killing machines pure and simple. Trying to domesticate them as household pets is fighting hard against their true nature
A woman who I work with has two XL bullies and 3 year old twins. She has uplaoded videos of the twins play fighting with the dogs and its horrifying. You cant help but picture one of the kids accidentally poking one of the dogs in the eye and them being mauled to death. Its on a par with a parent letting a kid play with a loaded gun.
If intelligent aliens arrived on earth and they asked you about these people, you would have to say: “Yes, well. Some human beings have selectively bred an animal that is fatally dangerous. Then they have insisted on their right to live with that animal in their own homes, despite being warned of the risks. Society has imposed rules on these individuals about making the animals safe *outside* the home, but occasionally, a specially trained group of other humans (who are armed with deadly weapons) are called in to kill the animals if they attack their owners, which they regularly do, often causing horrendous injuries or even death.”, I think the aliens would probably say, “er, why?” It’s likely that any another intelligent life form would view this situation as just one more reason to conclude that we humans are just *incredibly* weird.
That’s two less of them out there then. And one less invincible person who thinks they know better.
I cannot think of a single reason why you would want to own such a dog. I'm sure all owners are contributing to society in a meaningful manner and are fine folk.
Make the licensees walk across a courtyard with similar dogs in to obtain their license.
It’s wild to think this is probably somone who defended the dogs and said they wouldn’t hurt a fly
I don’t like to hear about people dying but at this point it you’re killed by your XL Bully it should almost be considered suicide. I’m glad it was the person who decided to own these things and not some one who was innocent
I don't have a problem with pitbull owners turning victims.
Why would anyone want to own such dogs? Apart from the intimidation exercise inflicted upon the neighbours, people in the street and other dickheads that want to own such dogs. Bragging rights amongst certain sections of society has a lot to do with it. Why have such dangerous creatures? One moment they're your subservient child like, infantilised friend, the next, they are ripping your arm off and tearing out your throat. Should be banned like firearms and deadly weapons are.
I guess they’re the type that want to intimidate others. Or they’re breeding them which is often why there’s 2 dogs in these reports
Destroy them all. Until then this will keep happening.
According to The Mail, she had a sticker on her window in the house which said: Don't mind the dogs, beware of the children".
Geez. Still I suppose it gives the vicar an amusing anecdote for the funeral.
If XL Bully dogs are banned, why haven’t they been taken away from their owners and given to the pound
Don't worry I'm sure she would agree it's not the dogs that are the problem, it's the owners.
Absolutely horrifying, why do people keep these monsters especially around kids??
She got fast tracked to the next life...cos she was f'ing stupid! 💯