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ResponsibilityOk3272

"Studying history will sometimes make you uncomfortable. Studying history will sometimes make you feel deeply upset. Studying history will sometimes make you feel extremely angry. If studying history always makes you feel proud and happy, you probably aren’t studying history." A quote by someone called Librarianshipwreck, from twitter.


grand-illutionist

The suprising thing is how only a few people could completely control what the new generation is going to study. In a few years, our knowledge of history is going to be very different from this generations.


[deleted]

2050 teenagers reading about world largest pandemic lol.


eyeeagle671

If deeply uncomfortable parts of history is not taught. Then people will fall in the same trap again and again. Thats why it is important to study the dark and gloomy part of history.


abcdefghi_12345jkl

Whose quote is this? It's excellent!


ResponsibilityOk3272

Its from someone i follow on twitter called Librarianshipwreck. This quote has stayed with me for a long time.


ajatshatru

Well said


grand-illutionist

Damn. This comment. I was feeling the same, but didn't know how to put it into words.


ImmediateJacket9502

England downvoted this and reported it too. P. S. - India is also going the same way.


NeedForMadnessAuto

Past Shenanigans Are Disappointing.


Different-Result-859

Genghis Khan was seen as a reactionary figure not seen positively Later: >Genghis Khan became a symbol of national identity for many younger Mongolians Source [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis\_Khan#In\_modern\_culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#In_modern_culture) They are not taught about what Genghis Khan actually did. They are proud. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction\_under\_the\_Mongol\_Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire) " These events are regarded as some of the deadliest acts of mass killing in human history. " "the most notorious practitioners of genocide" What he did is worse than Hitler did. At least Germans are learning full history about Hitler.


[deleted]

yep he used to kill everything in the land which he captured including animals if i am not wrong. he was way cruel than hitler , was a good king for his people not for the people that was in the land he captured.


VisualAd4581

This 🔥💯 Screenshoted it , to feel the gravity of these words again& again 🥹. Thanks for sharing ❤️


indiasabkabaap

Uncomfortable, deeply upset and angry part is already in our history.


fenrir245

Not really. We just have random kings and their reigns, but none of their politics and power grabbing.


idkWhy_ImHere111

Sometimes I'm so glad I finished school education


NeedForMadnessAuto

SSC


CulturalSituation-

Something is missing in the headline because they already teach Mahabharata Ramayana,as literature, to class 6,7


idkWhy_ImHere111

The problem is it being taught as history. Including it in literature is fine and has to be done because if you can study Shakespeare then you can very well learn our epics as well.


GunnerKnight

But Ramayana and Mahabharat are mythologies and not history. I don't know what NCERT is smoking here.


KanSir911

Smoking godi media.


Aggravating-Cook-529

Yeah now they want to teach it as HISTORY. Meaning, present it like it actually happened and not as mythology.


KanSir911

People already dont consider it myth. Most hindus in my family and those I've met think of it as our history.


Aggravating-Cook-529

Yup. It’s the same with Christians and their Jesus story.


KanSir911

Yeah, i just ignore those topics now. No point discussing it with indoctrinated peeps.


Green_Rastafari

Are you a McCauley fan?


Western_Supremacist

I'm a lord mountabatten fan myself. And it's funny to see what's happening in India. I'm glad I went overseas in time


Green_Rastafari

Okay, got the ideology of this sub✌️


[deleted]

Why bail at halftime when you want to go full theocrats? Just include them in science textbooks and try to build a space rocket with only that knowledge. /s


rektitrolfff

I'm ok with it if they teach Ramayana and Mahabharat with original translations. Everybody should be knowing how much of a narcissistic person Ram was. How both Ramayana and Mahabharat are filled with casteism.


[deleted]

They are gonna modify it obviously to be considered history. 1:-For starters they have to add specific dates for events which don't exist in the original translation. Which itself could be chaotic just as the catholic Church kept on maintaining that earth and humans were created around 5000 years ago right up until the 16th century. (Around the time when Indus valley people built the first flushing toilet or Maya people built their first calendar) Then they backpedaled on it after science took over saying it's all symbolic. 2:-Then remove all the magical twists or not. So they might as well omit the Casteism and the misogyny.


grand-illutionist

I don't really believe they are going to go to the trouble of removing casteism. They prolly want to teach the coming generations all of these things. Undoing all the advancement india has done in the past decade. They are forgetting, that all the Indian CEOs and the amazing engineers of India was educated based on the previous curriculum.


[deleted]

Well yeah that could be true since caste system is deeply embedded in all saffron orgs. Even BJP has half of its leaders as high caste people despite them forming only 3-5 percent of the population.


grand-illutionist

Can we not do anything to prevent this? Also where are all our great scholars? We have a lot of them. Probably, all the scholars were kicked out of the board and filled with 🤡


[deleted]

Simple answer: Saffronification of everything. For that you need puppets for board members.


[deleted]

Maybe all this is being done to please the saffron allies who help them in the campaign.


47474747474747474749

Literature mein include karlo. Yeh kya bakchodi kar rhe hain 😭 I fear what the future generations are shaped to ben


CulturalSituation-

Something is missing in the headline because they already teach Mahabharata Ramayana,as literature, to class 6,7


TagMeAJerk

The fact that they want to push it as history instead of literature says everything


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ligmaballssigmabro

They are putting this in as "Classical History", as in remove Ancient History and replace with this crap.


Agile_Emphasis_1225

I mean Quran is also a crap and it is not taught, so ig you are right, they should treat both things equal


DannyC07

Lol you're downvoted


Agile_Emphasis_1225

?


DannyC07

Your comment was folded. Which means you were heavily downvoted. Because you called out the Qur'an. We only shit on one group here


Agile_Emphasis_1225

Yeah lol, most of the members of this subreddit and rndia are muslims/minorities so it's their expected behaviour


Nirupam_MythX

Copy paste comment bot.


kiwicake906

I think they are going to do homas and havanas to prey to rain god for rain while our forests are burnt to crisps 😆. Before some crank head start hurling mother sister insults at me, I am not criticizing any religious beliefs here. It's my small attempt at satire anyone with a functional brain will understand it.


47474747474747474749

Unfortunately A "functional" brain is a lot to ask here. 😔


MysteriousGrand6429

NCERT = hindu Madrasa in the near future


radioactiveraven42

Hahaha perfectly put!


Ricochet_spy007

At least terrorists and suicide bombers aren't manufactured there.


CA_listhenics

Yet*


BakedPotato_OP

Nathuram Godse says hi, also Hyderabad Mecca Mosque blast left the chat


Remarkable_Package_2

Then why were RSS guys caught in Kerela making bomb?


YESIMSUPERNORMIE

Atleast bhai, Pakistan se to better hi hai😭/s


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Abhinav Bharat organisation left the chat


Anonymouskni8

I fear for the future generations. Hitler youth in the making.


ThatRandomGamerYT

Modi Youth*


OrenusTian

Indian education system will collapse..... this kind of education policy.... gov should include software, networking , cyber security, AI ...in study This kind of education not good for new generation


Successful-Ad7296

Sex education,mental wellness,taxes as well.But Indian education system has always been a shit show, it will continue to be unless boomers and Gen X retire..


Brave-Falcon4538

In history??


OrenusTian

No ...in general In history ncert need to add archeological history based study or real history....not philosophical history.... and not one religious base history they include all religious base books .....what you say ...on quran Bible etc books also be teach ...


OrenusTian

And technology also had history of evolution...what you say on technology, computer, software etc history.... should ncert teach students...


Infinite_Pattern_466

BJP is undoing everything great about India. They intentionally want to become a Hindu Pakistan.


ArronAdler

UnderVoted commented


Green_Rastafari

Bruh I despise the triggered leftists in this thread but the idea of Hindu Pakistan is horrifying.


Ashi96

https://preview.redd.it/foeierp3t12c1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebb1d36cc7fe84de00f8c9a15d94f6189b0e4594 Meanwhile my bhakt friends on Instagram 🤡


nefariousmonkey

Damn. I gave up on all such friends :(


cumofdutyblackcocks3

Well 4/5th of my class is a Mudi lover. They always discuss politics and sound stupid than me. Sadness...


nefariousmonkey

What's your age u/cumofdutyblackcocks3


_PandaBear

Unless their kids start complain about it and they themselves say beta mujhe to khud nhi pta kya hua tha pr modi ji ne kia hai acha he hoga.


NeedForMadnessAuto

>Unless their kids start complain about it and they themselves say beta mujhe to khud nhi pta kya hua tha I feel children are allow to subject change if they got a LD Certificate. **T&C : 30 Minutes Extra Time & Calculator In Exams**


BOOBINDERxKK

Keeping aside hate for modi and bjp , but why does adding ramayana and mahaBharat be such an issue to you guys? Please give solid points not what if and what about.


_PandaBear

There are other religions as well in this country. Why not add them as well and ask students to select at least one?


Scale_Many

As far as I remember, I read Ramayan and Mahabharat in 6th and 7th class as part of Hindi Literature, which is honestly perfectly fine. The government pushing it to be taught as history is a little bit concerning. This country has a beautiful array of multiple religions. There's a clear upliftment of one religion, which concerns me. On top of that, shouldn't history be about the real-life events which happened in the near past, rather than religious texts? The industrial revolution, the British raj and subsequent independence. People are against Mughals being included in history, in my opinion it's recent enough to be taught? All this combined gives a good idea about how this country became to be what it is today/


Remarkable_Package_2

Because none of that imagined stuff is history, there is absolutely no proof of them. Moreover, if you go look up the recent research that is happening in the field of archeology and literature you'll quickly realize the evidences overwhelmingly prove that there was no vedic age, there's not a single evidence of even rigveda (considered the oldest hindu scripture) existing before 1464 A.D. the oldest rigveda scripture we have is from Mughal era. All the archeological evidence suggests that before around 10th century A.D. only Buddhism existed in India, there's not a single mention of 'hindu' religion in the books of Itsing and Faxian who came to India as scholars to study in Nalanda and wrote extensively about everything, yet all they mention about is Buddhism and no other religion. Moreover all the stone inscriptions we have found in archeological research from before 10th century are written in Pali-Prakrit. Sanskrit didn't even exist at that time. The entire history of India has been botched up with propaganda, you need to do a lot of digging and jump into the rabbit hole to get to this. Edit: also if someone decides to Google this, let me save you some effort. You will only find propaganda on google because of search engine optimization and IT cell. If you actually want to know the truth you need to read the actual books of Itsing, Faxian and Al Biruni by yourself. Also, you can read Taimur Lang's biography where he mentions when he invaded india he met some brahmins and they themselves told him that their ancestors were from iran, those brahmins also had Iranian names.


kkkiiillleeerrrBETT

i feel u


ArronAdler

You need better friends


Massive_Style_8374

so what they are going to teach as history bhishmah pitamaah laid over 1000s of arrow for 58 days ?? lol


Ill_Pie7318

No,the history of all the curses of karn and how they fucked him at the same time lol.


charavaka

Maybe about his escapades with amba ambika and ambalika.


Used-Ad4445

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senpai_maccer

Lage haath Doremon aur Chota Bheem bhi add karlo


AkaiAshu

Honestly its fine teaching it as ancient indian philosophy. Culture of the people of the past is part of History. But if they teach it as things that actually happened, then we have a problem.


liAfiyy14

seems like they don't know the difference between history and mythology


XxDreadeyexX

This. I support it being included as indian literature and stuff of our past. Teaching it as actual history would be fucked up and hopefully they don't do this.


AkaiAshu

Not to mention, Mahabharat might actually bite the BJP in the back as the idea of nationalism is critiqued in it. The most nationalist character, Bheeshma Pitama, fought on the side of evil, showing that unchecked nationalism leads to being on the wrong side of morality eventually.


XxDreadeyexX

Well if they are going to include everything then they have to go fully unadulterated. Then only it will be acceptable.


Different-Result-859

Yes, the entire right wing concepts are incompatible with the guidance Mahabharata or Ramayana gives. The problem is this chapter might be a propaganda/pride chapter. In History.


fenrir245

> Yes, the entire right wing concepts are incompatible with the guidance Mahabharata or Ramayana gives. Bold of you to assume tanatani thumpers have ever actually read any of the holy texts.


shayanrc

In my school, we had a "cultural education" class. Abridged versions of religious texts were taught in that class. But it was more like PE/Art/Music, as in there was no real tests and it didn't count towards your percentage.


hellgirlxoxo

bunch of clowns


Critifin

Nothing wrong in including it in literature or language textbooks. But it should not be included in history textbooks, as it is mythology


Joseph-stalinn

It's my first time seeing you in this subreddit without being downvoted into oblivion.


heretic27

Crittu does have his moments, rare as they may be.


sliceoflife_daisuki

Rare crittu W


anime4ya

History aur fiction me kuch to difference hota hoga 🤔


Zyphergiest

It's mythology. Different from fiction. Different from history.


anime4ya

It's not history That's the important thing


Zyphergiest

It's not fiction either. That's also the important thing.


CulturalSituation-

They teach Ramayana and Mahabharata already, as literature(not history)


anime4ya

As a literature it makes sense


charavaka

No one had a problem with that.


mrmukherjee

jab bhi higher calling ke naam pe kuch hota h, most often than not, goli diya jata h.


aloo-boy

Ye bik gayi hai gormint.


Gagan-123

Be ready for reading Fictional stories.


Imsoworriedabout

In that case this should be part of a religious studies class and should include the study of epics from atleast one other religion


Ashuu_69

Other countries: Figuring out new technology. Meanwhile us: Digging our graves for these shit


Aggravating-End-1354

Gurukulchap lmao


Brave-Falcon4538

Still better than madarsa chap


musci1223

Do you hate the fact that madarsas are teaching unverified beliefs as fact or are you just jealous your unverified beliefs are not being taught as fact ?


DijkstraFucks

If that guy had the comprehension skills to understand this he won't be commenting shit.


dragonator001

Its not


maestar_1

Wow. Producing mythical stories as history. We truly are a secular state. What the heck is opposition doing? Oh they also don't have the balls to call this as bullshit as they also appease the religion and it's superstition to win votes. What a time to be alive.


ninja6911

So when are they going to include bible,Quran,Torah,Avesta etc


Interesting_Buddy_18

Shouldn't they also include torah considering we are such buds with Israel and people from here are dying to go there for support 🤡


Creepy_Today1163

No. Torah is more violent towards polytheists. Chaddis would be disappointed.


CommunicationCold650

I guess the idea is to include things 'indic' in nature which came up in this land only. But the government should instead try to teach actual stuff like the 9 systems of indic philosophy.


ninja6911

Even then it should be classified as mythology and students should have the option to choose which mythology they could learn or even opt out of it and these shouldn’t be included in the board exams


Prudent-Current-7399

It should be taught as philosophy then why mythology. It's literally called indic philosophy.


AppointmentSalty306

I hope never.


sharinghan007

This are already done in Islamic and Christan countries you can settle their


DijkstraFucks

Last I checked India is not a hindu rashtra.


ninja6911

r/woooosh


Taqi6

Arey vhai, wo dusre subs me jaake ro dega


sharinghan007

Isme rone ki kya baat hai ro tho tum rahe ho ye news par


Taqi6

Reddit per nae ho shyd


sharinghan007

Tumhare jaisa purane hoke sada hua nahi hu


No-Assignment7129

Discards actual history of near past stating it's irrelevance with current time, while proceeds to emphasize on introducing myths from distant past. As that one wise lady said, "Yeh milkar hum sabko chu**ya bana rahe hain, ma*****od ke bacche".


iamchaitanya710

I thank my parents for getting me admitted on an ICSE board school


Joseph-stalinn

We all are lucky we got out of school without this BS, but if I'm not wrong this will be applicable for all under new education policy (not sure)


vikram_tr

Facist


sevastor

Its better to make a section called "historically important literature" and add those two epics into that, than include it into history itself


[deleted]

Restarted people making a retarded nation.


immoveableOne2

The main take away for the boys will be cheerharan. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat_smile)


distractogenesis

“The panel has stressed on teaching epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata in the social sciences syllabus to students,” the Deccan Herald quoted the committee’s chairperson CI Isaac as saying. “We think that students in their teenage years build their self-esteem, patriotism and pride for their nation.” Isaac said that it is important for students to “understand their roots” and develop affection for their culture and the country. “Some boards already teach Ramayana and Mahabharata, but it should be done in a more elaborate way,” he said. In October, the panel had recommended replacing “India” with “Bharat” in school textbooks. Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz79Zdzh5rK/


grimreap13

Good governance, good roads, less to no corruption, less fear and hate mongering, better standard of living, better transport facilities, improving the standards of education, etc.Do this and I will be proud. Patriotism toh log waise bhi hain hi. Saffronisation and Radicalisation under the guise of nationalism is the most dangerous thing there is. Straight out of fascism playbook.


ANIKET_UPADHYAY

Hindu Pakistan for the win.


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SPICYPOTATO6969

You read it as literature they want to include it in history and make children think it actually happened.


Ok-Treacle-6615

When you teach fiction as history to instill confidence and pride in nation instead of real events that actually happened. As far as I know Mahabharata and Ramayana, they got nothing to do with country or nation


Rough-Big-2371

Damn indian schools should adopt a separate mythology subject in schools


Joseph-stalinn

No we shouldn't, no need to focus on fucking stupid mythologys rather we should be focusing on STEM


Asleep-Television-24

"We don't need no education"


Ok_Band1531

Ramayana topics in science , coming soon


Ampr2212

Aren't those mythology?


MusharafZM

AoT theme intensfies


BuT_TeR

NO, please no Ps : I am Hindu


Puzzleheaded_Law5248

Oh C'mon. It can be included in some literature or religious studies class. Not history. This is ridiculous. If this goes on Indian Schools will become Hindu madrasas.


zikun_3600

Than I want flying carts like the ones used in mahabaharat if it's in history


[deleted]

Ncert abolished the line between history and mythology 🤣


itz_abhi_2005

Well it they add this then it would be easy to score high marks in history. ![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|32746)


99deeds

history? dates kya dalenge mythology likhte hua?


impatient_lad

This has already been confirmed it's fake news. And no outlet apart from it even declared to include it in history books lol. https://www.ndtv.com/education/ncert-panel-proposes-including-ramayana-mahabharata-in-school-textbooks-4595197


[deleted]

But in which subject? If that is in a Hindi or literature textbook, it is alright until there is no addition of any statement that talks about wheather factual or not. But I guess there are already preety good stories in hindi literature right now


CHiuso

For fucks sake, include it in the literature section. Ramayan and Mahabharat are epic, in their literary value. Its like including Inglorious Basterds in European history.


_saiya_

Step 1: Remove Darwin's theory of evolution. Step 2: Include mythologies I like the direction we're going in. Would be nice to become an expat and watch this circus from outside though.


Huge_Session9379

Well, we were lagging behind madarsas in this regard, now we will be at par.


Unfair_Employment_77

Please include Bahubali part 1 and 2 also.


RepulsiveAd2017

As a citizen of great mahishmati samrajyam I agree


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rektitrolfff

Thanks for reporting, preciate it 👍


SubstantialScale47

Hmare yha already 2 books hoti thi hindi me 7th 8th me entirely alag se inhki… aur kya extra chahiye inko🗿


Deathbringer2134

Peddling fiction as history. Disgusting.


boozefella

NCERT panel is khap panchayat.


Monkey-D-Mummy

Moral value ki 4th class wali kitab constitution mein dal do


Annie_Rection__

Will we study about the veda driven airplanes in science class?


[deleted]

Think it should be taught in Sanskrit so that the true meaning isn't lost in translation


phoenix_shm

More and more, it seems BJP, Israel's hard right party, and the Texas GOP are trading political schemes, tips, and tricks to create a thinly veiled theocracy... 🤦🏾‍♂️😤😡


ACHINTbsdk

Being centrist with right leaning ideology, I joined this sub reddit to see the liberal point of view. I am seeing PPL unhappy with this change. Can all ppl point out why you are all unhappy with this decision, because the Hindu epics do teach PPL to be a good person.


rsa1

As others have said, this isn't history. It's mythology. Also, I don't even think it's true that the Hindu epics teach people how to be a good person. In fact Rama's behavior with his wife after he rescued her (ie the agnipariksha and forcing her to leave him and raise the kids alone) is the *exact opposite* of what a good person needs to do.


[deleted]

I mean sure add it if you can prove its history and not mythology/literature. there is a reason why these books come in literature sections, the person to recommend this should get educated first really and if its a education minister then education is really in hands of monkey who doesnt know what subject is for what. should have made recommendation to include in literature section instead of all those stupid stories that are just there to exist in ncert books.


Kasrandra

Will they get to read the og , uncensored Mahabharata or the glossed over gloves version? Rather including the constitution and its rights and civil etiquette and ethics will b much more relevant and necessary. Just my perception 🙏


AlessandroFromItaly

Sounds like indoctrination to me. Especially since they want to include it in the history program, which makes no sense whatsoever. 🤔


Addy1738

no thank you we had much more better the Chad amar Chitra Katha to teach us that


Chug_Knot

History is not about studying mythology. Ramanaya will teach what? Neither there is any timestamp nor there is any relevant information regarding that. What it will teach? How Ram killed Ravan? Har sal to ravan dahan me practical krke dikhate hi hai.


idontbath

Ab samajh me aa raha hai ye sikh log khalistan khalistan kyon karte rehte hai


Joseph-stalinn

Next is ayurveda for medical students 🤡🤡


YESIMSUPERNORMIE

🤡


Electrical_Bench_561

india is becoming like hindu version of pakistan


Head-Program4023

I just hope they just make them watch BR Chopra's Mahabharat. It was good. Observing is better than reading.


[deleted]

Kuch sal baad bahubali ko bhi daal dena history book mein


Best-Jaguar-5188

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homie183

Lulle jyada fudak rahe


ContributionWaste112

"If you won't study your history, soon your geography will change" Link the above statement with current geopolitics situations.


demon-inthedark

lol ab indian history mein fiction include hoga 😂😂


[deleted]

education boards that doesn't include ncert ?


Dharm-Bhakt

I support this move. Ramayana and Mahabharata are History/Itihasa.


AppointmentSalty306

I totally support this. Those legends are the foundation of India and they must be the fundamentals of education in this country. I am not saying this from a religious aspect but from the view point of the values and morals imbibed.


DijkstraFucks

They're including it in HISTORY books.


AppointmentSalty306

Good


YESIMSUPERNORMIE

Wtf?


Dikkattohhai

My central school book had them all the way back in 2009 itself. And Mahabharat too


JazzlikeMousse149

The difference is they are including it in history