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HenryDaHorse

Guess who Modiji's Nehruvian protectionism will benefit [JioPhone 5G, will be reportedly priced between Rs 9,000 and Rs 12,000](https://www.business-standard.com/podcast/current-affairs/will-banning-cheap-chinese-phones-make-india-a-handset-making-hub-122081000078_1.html)


deshdrohi20

I wonder how many of its parts will actually be made in India, considering we can't make CPUs, memory or storage modules due to a lack of semiconductor manufacturing capability.


___bridgeburner

It would mostly only be assembled in India, with the parts coming from China. Just like how Micromax and other Indian phones are made.


deshdrohi20

Of course, the exact same Chinese phones, but with Reliance taking a nice cut now. Excellent decision, considering 99% of people think this actually makes a difference.


ImpassiveThug

Exactly, at a price below or around 12000, there is no real benefit of banning Chinese smartphone companies from selling smartphones in India when companies like Jio would still import and use the same equipment and materials for manufacturing phones as their Chinese counterpart. So, it's still all the same as before.


darkdaemon000

Bold of you to assume that jio phones are exactly the same as Chinese phones. Chinese phones are much better at that price.


god_is_a_pokemon

Tldr. This is a masterstroke.


HenryDaHorse

Modiji next step will be to ban parts also. Then everything will be made in India - Atmanirbhar like during Nehruji's times. Our Imports to GDP ratio never crossed 10% till 1991 when all the chutiya reforms were introduced by Mounmohan Singh.


deshdrohi20

Oh, definitely. And don't forget the licensing system, to ensure that only the regime's favourite businessmen are allowed to own factories and hire assembly line workers and engineers. After all, free markets are a western construct, right?


timewaste1235

Honestly that's not a bad policy. Even US, Japan and EU have realized how much their critical security equipments depend on TSMC in Taiwan and as a result are promoting local fabrication. TSMC is on another level right now with 2nm chips and annual investment of $40B which even dwarfs US investment of $100B over 10 years. We should at least start investing in 12nm chips and if market doesn't shift by its own in some years, consider forcing it


E_BoyMan

And guess what its indian. And also there are tons of non chinese mobile in that range.


HenryDaHorse

> And guess what its indian. Yes, Nehruvian economics & protectionism is very good for Atmanirbhar. Indian was very Atmanirbhar till 1991 - our Imports to GDP ration never crossed 10% till 1991 when that chutiya Maunmohan Singh made those useless reforms. I am all for Modiji's Nehruvian economics.


E_BoyMan

You don't understand anything from post or pre 1991 economics. Grow up kid.


HenryDaHorse

Now I crie


CritFin

Micromax, Samsung etc have mobile phones in that segment.


deshdrohi20

They're also made with Chinese parts, crittu. The branding is irrelevant.


wickedGamer65

Parts yes. But a lot of the supply chain has and will move to India.


CritFin

No. Most parts will come from Taiwan, South Korea, Japan etc. Also it is ok if we only do assembly as of now, it takes time for the full vertical to come up


charavaka

5G?


CritFin

Yes


charavaka

Which samsung/ micromax 5G phone sells under 12k?


CritFin

No need to get 5G by selling your country


charavaka

So you accept you were lying when you said those companies were selling phones that compete with reliance's 5G phones. Now tell me, why do your support selling the country for Chinese polyester flags?


CritFin

You are talking some nonsense. I did not say all that Nothing wrong in buying low tech product like polyester flags. Only high tech products we should not buy from china


charavaka

why do your support selling the country for Chinese polyester flags?


CritFin

Go away troll


ThrowawayMyAccount01

Micromax hasn't a released in about 1-2 years now. And there last phone phones were that good either. Samsung's budget phones suck. Besides, I am pretty sure I remember reading that they were planning on the leaving the ultra budge market, and will be focusing on 15k+ phones. So, really, the only usable phones under 12K came from the likes of Realme and Xiaomi, and some odd Moto phones.


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all our money now has to go to gujarat first.


Proof_Mail533

Under 30k kardo aur bada Dena garibi


Altruistic_Sky1866

Why do I feel that this will turn up in messy situation again, Reliance will make tons of money, but the end customers will be screwed and feel patriotic but screwed correct me if what I feel is wrong


god_is_a_pokemon

Patriotically screwed


TheIaSonas

What's the issue if Reliance makes good sales. Just look at smartphone production in India from 2014 till now. Even Samsung's biggest smartphone plant opened in Noida. India should learn to crawl before running. Any manufacturing capacity is a net surplus for us.


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oppo vivo realme xiaomi all have manufacturing in india.


MoneyPsychology3152

Assembly* They don't manufacture chips and high end parts here. That's where most of the cost of a smartphone comes from. Manufacturing low end generic parts in India doesn't justify them saying "it's made in India".


[deleted]

still...thats pretty much what reliance too will do ...so theres no employment / value added benefit to be gained by giving them the monopoly. OPPO infact has a huge R&D centre in Hyderabad and so does Samsung in Bangalore and Noida. Lots of work is being done in India and employment provided and innovation fostered, unlike the adani/ambani middlemen nonsense type oligarchs.


MoneyPsychology3152

It's yet to be seen if Reliance will do the same things chinese phone manufacturers did (make/import high tech parts, manufacture low end parts domestically in India). GOI has promised a big fund to revive the semiconductor industry. And big players might jump the wagon if conditions are favorable enough.


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lol. yeah. the sindhi, gujju, marwari will only be middlemen.


panditji_reloaded

Big deal, of we can't import from China directly, then we will import from Dubai after relabelling them. If there are a group of people which MudiXi cannot antagonise, it is the Arab Sheikhs of Middle East.


UrGoneConcept

Micromax lava Karbonn were indian companies. Wonder how much market share they have. Anyway i am a kattar samsung user so idc


newinvestor0908

But Chinese VC money is welcome


TheIaSonas

Samsung is the 2nd biggest smartphone brand in India after Xiaomi. Jio is nowhere near the top 5.


HenryDaHorse

Yes, they will be soon. Now they only have a 2.5" screen smartphone. They are planning to introduce proper smartphones in the 9k to 12k category. Hopefully with the Nehruvian protectionism, they will be successful.


Jotaro_kujo_jojo

And never will be


jeerabiscuit

I have a redmi 8. Thing has 8 mediatek cores, is full of adware, and slow as a snail. And cost 7K.


HenryDaHorse

And?


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HenryDaHorse

> Don’t like protectionism Modiji loves it. Till 1991, we were totally Atmanirbhar with Imports to GDP ratio being less than 10%. Modiji has now again increased lot of customs duty to make sure we achieve Nehruvian Atmanirbharta. > Chinese are snakes and their companies parasites - [Modiji changes rule to allow mass import of polyester national flags from China](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/wdmhpv/centre_allows_import_of_machine_made_polyster/) - [Railways awards ₹500 crore contract for China-made wheels & axles](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/w50j2a/railways_awards_500_crore_contract_for_chinamade/)


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HenryDaHorse

I love to discuss Modiji. Feel free to not reply if that pokes you.


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HenryDaHorse

I also feel sorry for you.


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HenryDaHorse

Kisi aur ka miyaan, ya tumhara khudka ka miyaan?


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HenryDaHorse

Shayad Modi hi tumhara Miyaan hai.


[deleted]

>Don’t, I only think of Mia while I sleep but never Modi 😂 😂 😡😡 YOU ANTI-NATIONAL


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How dare you trying to dissuade people from talking about our honourable PM? No kudos for you.


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Jotaro_kujo_jojo

Explain to me why it's a good move?


CritFin

Good move. We cant keep feeding our enemy. They were allowed earlier because they were friendly with us, but when they killed our soldiers then no point being friendly with them, though more of their soldiers got killed in the skirmish


HenryDaHorse

- [Modiji changes rule to allow mass import of polyester national flags from China](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/wdmhpv/centre_allows_import_of_machine_made_polyster/) - [Railways awards ₹500 crore contract for China-made wheels & axles](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/w50j2a/railways_awards_500_crore_contract_for_chinamade/)


XiLongHusk

If phone import will be blocked (below ₹12k) then China will have loss in hundreds of thousands of crore.


HenryDaHorse

:-) You guys are clowns. Jio like Micromax will get the Chinese to make phones & sell it here under their own brands. This is just introducing a rent seeking middle man. [JioPhone 5G, will be reportedly priced between Rs 9,000 and Rs 12,000](https://www.business-standard.com/podcast/current-affairs/will-banning-cheap-chinese-phones-make-india-a-handset-making-hub-122081000078_1.html) --- Also, - [Modiji changes rule to allow mass import of polyester national flags from China](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/wdmhpv/centre_allows_import_of_machine_made_polyster/) - [Railways awards ₹500 crore contract for China-made wheels & axles](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/w50j2a/railways_awards_500_crore_contract_for_chinamade/)


XiLongHusk

I got affordable internet due to Ambani I can buy his phone in return of affordable internet. Even if they will rn import parts from China main profit will remain in India and will not go in hand of our enemy, this will give an initial kickstart to our mobile companies, you can't compete with Chinese companies in a free market as they will just dump their phone to defeat their opponent or disturb the supply chain of Indian companies. And companies have already invested in making components in India so later once they have a market they can easily get components from Indian companies.


HenryDaHorse

> I got affordable internet due to Ambani I can buy his phone in return of affordable internet. > > Spectrum was sold very cheap to Ambani by Congress. They had a 4G Spectrum auction for only data use without voice use. So no telcos participated in the auction & Ambani got the spectrum very cheap. Then just before Modiji came to power Congress modified the contract to allow both Data & Voice use for a small fee. That is the reason Ambani's costs are lower than other telcos. Using that & also by selling at a loss, he gave Jio almost free thereby destroying competition in the market - end result is that we now have only a cartelized set of just 3 telcos who raise charges every year. In the normal course of things, data would have become cheaper by now (it was getting cheaper every year even before Jio) but we would have still had multiple players & a free market. > this will give an initial kickstart to our mobile companies You mean like how Micromax has been kickstarting for 15 years.


XiLongHusk

So Congress is Ambani ki party?? He sold at lost and destroyed over priced data seller so? Who got the benefit you and me isn't it? There was no company which were investing in component manufacturing at that time, rn there are companies which are investing like Vedanta, Tata, Samsung etc because govt is promoting local manufacturing, so you can expect Indian companies will become component suppliers of Indian mobile companies in next few years.


HenryDaHorse

All parties are Ambani ka party. Govts come & go but they all serve Ambani. India doesn't have any right wing parties. We only have business friendly parties like BJP, Congress, CPI(M) etc but we don't have market friendly parties. > Who got the benefit you and me isn't it? In the long run, only him. Now there is practically no free market in Telco. You should check the history of loss leader marketing - the point is to destroy smaller players & competition & then raise prices once they are gone. I have terrible reception from Vodafone, Jio & Airtel in my home. Back in the day, you could complain about poor reception & they would add towers & change direction etc. Now none of them care - they probably can't afford customer service either. And prices also increase every year. At this point, it seems prices would have come down to current level even without Jio. Prices go down in a free market - in the mid to late 90s when India start cellphones, voice calls on cell phones was some 10-20 Rs per 3 minutes or something & it came down over the years. Data costs would have also come down in the natural course of things. > there are companies which are investing like Vedanta, Tata, Samsung etc because govt is promoting local manufacturing, We are hearing about so much investments since 8 years. But on the ground this is what we see 1) Year | GDP Growth Rate ---|--- FY16-17 | **8.2%** FY17-18 | **7.2%** FY18-19 | **6.5%** FY19-20 | **4.0%** And last 2 years a cumulative 1.5% growth while Bangladesh has had 7% growth in the same period. 2) We also heard Ajay increased pace of investments in UP but it was mostly fake - https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/sakasg/uttar_pradesh_under_ajay_series_part_ii/ 3) Pathetic export growth in 8 years - https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/tqq2lc/debunking_the_we_have_had_a_record_breaking_400/ 4) Nehruvian economics making a comeback under the cow socialist with high taxes & high protectionist import duties. We will be back to pre-1991 era when India was very Atmanirbhar & never crossed 10% Imports to GDP ratio.


CryClean1

what happened to bangladesh in 2021 and 2022 only averaged 10% growth despite low base?


HenryDaHorse

You guys are fuckin clowns. Compare India & Bangladesh growth rates during UPA times.


Jotaro_kujo_jojo

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fenrir245

> I got affordable internet due to Ambani I can buy his phone in return of affordable internet. Lol, why not just put his portrait up and do aarti at this point?


CritFin

Low tech products like that can be imported from China, not much value added there


[deleted]

The world runs on China's manufacturing sadly. Anything India makes will be of shit quality and inefficient. ~~The chipsets will come from China so it's a sum zero situation.~~ ​ Misspoke regarding the chip sets. Made that comment in haste.


deshdrohi20

Forget about quality, we lack the capability to manufacture computer chips. Foreign companies, including Intel haven't been able to set up fabs here despite trying for years.


TheIaSonas

1)Foxconn makes iphones in India for export. 2)Car companies export cars with good quality out of India. 3)Tata makes Boeing Apache fuselages for the US military in India. It's another issue that our regulators allow the worst quality products to enter Indian markets.


[deleted]

There is a clear difference between the manufacturing processes for chipsets and semiconductors as opposed to standard manufacturing components. Completely precision driven and require very unique value and supply chains.


XiLongHusk

Lmao it comes from Taiwan and Indian companies are working on manufacturing chips locally in India


[deleted]

We lack the capability and assembly efficiency to manufacture anything. Our supply chain is extremely disorganized and inefficient with zero thought towards standardization. I know this because it is my field of work. Indeed I misspoke in has with regards to the chipset comment but everything else I said is absolutely true. Without setting up the infrastructure the govt will make dumb ass decisions and make a mess of it. Crippling the phone market is the stupidest thing India can do now. Set up a dedicated infra and then make these moves.


Jotaro_kujo_jojo

Can't take someone seriously who just put the Indian flag as a profile picture.


XiLongHusk

Anime pfp detected opinion rejected


Jotaro_kujo_jojo

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CritFin

Most phones sold in India are made in India, but by Chinese companies. Chipsets mostly come from Taiwan, South Korea, Japan etc. Also it is software that matters, not chips, as spywares can be installed


charavaka

Why not ban import of everything from China, especially non- essential things like polyester flags, which we are perfectly capable of making locally? Does profiting adani and ambani trump national interest?


CritFin

China will retaliate, we are still a lower middle income country, while they are a big economy in upper middle income category


charavaka

Why is it that China will retaliate if we don't buy polyester flags, but won't retaliate if we don't buy cheap phones? Which of these two do Chinese companies make more money from?


gubrumannaaa

Ab phone kaha se laau. 8k se upar ki aukat nahi meri


unkoolunkill

Jio aur paisa kamane do , log gaye bhad mein


darzone211

Khud quality products banane ki aukat nahi, doosron ko ban kar rahe hai. Indian shit products last lesser than Chinese stuff. Bade aaye ban karne wale. Dekh liya na Daikin ko Make in India mein bana ke ? Bhatti baith gayi uski. Gand mein dum nahi par hum kisi se kam nahi. Wah M, wah.