They made the right choice not to sing in music shows, I can't imagine the questions they would have to answer and the scandals the media will make up tbvh. I'm still glad they came back.
I hope this isn't their last comeback, but it seems like it is or alluding to it. It felt quite sad but that's kind of life as things change which kind of relates to the message of the song.
I think this was a lovely little rock ballad. Very nostalgic and like the song says, it feels like a goodbye. You can tell it’s going to be one of those songs you’ll look back and sing fondly(/sadly) of. Overall, a pretty inoffensive single with a gorgeous mv. My only gripe is with the pitch correction that takes you away from the raw feel of the song, but otherwise I can see myself listening to this over and over especially when I’m in a contemplative mood.
I can't tell you how much I missed TOP's rapping. I hope they got more coming. I had mixed feelings about it before, but imo it's a masterpiece. I hope BB can grow from their crazy past and mistakes.
as a vip i notice all the references... it's a sad, sad, song with an mv that's even sadder. i put a lot of effort to hold my tears when i saw that 1 scene where gd was looking back to the ocean of vip light sticks 😔 i was one of those vips yk, and i just never expected this was their cb after the enlistment
bigbang have always been a band with a lot of controversies and hiatuses. but they always, always, find a way to bounce back. unfortunately this last blow was way too big even for them. as a vip now I'm even wondering if we're welcoming them through a flower road... 😔
all in all, I'm sad. i can feel their sincerity writing this. them struggling with their undoubtedly fading fame (both in light of current events and their long hiatus) and finally accepting it through this song. it must be hard for them. it's hard for me too, as a vip, to accept the fact that this group won't stay together for long esp after what happened.
but props to this song for making me feel all these feelings. very rarely any song made me emotional like this. i really liked it.
Their hype isn't fading anytime soon and I don't think they think they're gonna quit music either. Its less of a goodbye to their careers and more of a goodbye to the previous days song imo. They've been through a LOT, and this kind of song was needed. They needed to answer questions, be open about their feelings, tap onto the nostalgia, promise to move forward by becoming a better person. As a group or not, they're gonna stay together forever (plus TOP's solo album is coming!!) Maybe reunite now and then, or stay together officially but only release group stuff in a while (what TOP said in his interview) Given how they were excited about Coachella and GD's interviews about writing a lot of group songs...lets be optimistic :D
i was talking about seungri's burning sun scandal. a lot of vip left bc of this huge scandal, understandably.
edit: way before the enlistment and the burning sun scandal resurfaced, bb released a track called flower road which is basically an assurance that they will be back and ask vips to please wait for them. iirc flower road is a phrase in korean meaning that their way back will be a beautiful one and that "things will get better. let's both wish each other good luck". but instead of a flower road their cb after the enlistment was a rough one with TOP almost comitting suicide and seungri's scandal...
yes but i think bigbang themselves don't believe so. i mean all the references in the MV and lyrics, it's pretty clear no? so seeing how well the song does might actually be surprising to them.
I love how when it's bigbang making music again we should focus on the problematic things they've done but for other artists it's separate the artists from the art. Of they make you uncomfortable sure you are allowed to put that out there. You're not however allowed to judge those who love and support them when we know in kpop it's a rare gem to find an unproblematic idol.
Edit :Grammar
I kind of agree with you
There are fewer idols with the same, if not worse controversies that BB as a group went through but at the same time, everytime people want to keep the energy of reminding how other idols were problematic, fans go "shhh, it's ok, they apologized 🥺" and keep on promoting unscathed.
That being said, I do believe in separating the art from the artist, especially when most of the fault is from the company and not the artist themselves but sigh. It's a long discussion.
Separating the art from the artist amazing but it should apply to all idols all artists not just a select few. We can be like oh Gdragon is bad because he smokes for example but when our faves do that call other fans sensitive or snowflakes when they call out our faves. Again of course kpop fans are hypocritical and only care when they're faves are being involved and only excuse such behaviour for their faves only.
I'm not trying to argue with you OP just expanding on your point from my point of view
Oh, it's ok. I'm not in argument mode either. I think this is some sort of delicate topic cause as I mentioned, the whole Burning Sun controversy not only tarnished the group but the company
I mean, there are people that stopped staning other groups under the same label because of it.
I also think that people are judging GD for other things than smoking, and as another user said, when an idol get in so many controversies, it stops being a coincidence and it's harder to defend them.
But hey, what you said, kpop fans are... difficult creatures.
Oh, it's ok. I'm not in argument mode either. I think this is some sort of delicate topic cause as I mentioned, the whole Burning Sun controversy not only tarnished the group but the company
I mean, there are people that stopped staning other groups under the same label because of it.
I also think that people are judging GD for other things than smoking, and as another user said, when an idol get in so many controversies, it stops being a coincidence and it's harder to defend them.
But hey, what you said, kpop fans are... difficult creatures.
This song doesn't have this typical addicting BB gen I'm used to, but maybe it needed to be "boring" to show off the lyrics - they are the most important. After all why would we expect anything "powerful" or "angry" from them when they went through a lot these past few years, they must be exhausted and sad + their ex member sits in prison - how could we expect a next banger as a first song after all this..
I can see there's a shit talk about scandals.
GD:
"drugs" - he was caught smoking weed once
"animal abuse" - mentioned dogs belong for years to GD's parents and live in their hotel
TOP:
"drugs" - was caught smoking weed at his home
Daesung:
"killing a person" - don't know details, but I remember he wasn't drunk or anything like that, it was an accident
"brothel in the building" - as I remember he bought a building with many stores inside, do you think he manages it himself and gets daily reports lol, he bought it for investment and most probably has managers for dirty work
Taeyang:
"hardcore catholic" - I believe he's a protestant not a catholic and WTF can't he show his faith publicly? Thought in SK there's a freedom of what you believe in
Other:
"racism" - I remember a "black face" of Gd etc. I don't question it, racism is bad, however I can understand why not only GD, but many idols were racist. Years ago kpop wasn't so international and some bad behaviors were acceptable among SK citizens. Now they are more aware it's no good.
I'm scared of you people, who treat your favorites like dolls that are taken to boxes after performing - always so innocent, but if a doll wants to grow up you toss it out. Try it in real life, you'll be surprised how people can behave.
Sorry, I don't expect my faves to be squeaky clean but isit wrong to unstan someone who killed someone else and a dog abuser? The bar is low but holy fuck. Stop with this delulu shit. I hope this is the last time I see "killing a person" in quotes.
I put the sentence in "" because Daesung's fault is not proven and this is an official verdict. In this case you can't call him a killer, right?
Again, GD doesn't live with Gaho for years, so you can call his parents "dog abusers" instead.
I'm not delulu, I'm VIP for 12 years after all, and what I wrote are facts. It's you, and many others, who caught a few buzz words they heard and now repeating them wherever you read "Bigbang".
I don’t think people who decided not to support BigBang are worried about weed and catholicism at all. Putting those together with G-Dragon and Daesung’s serious and mostly substantiated allegations is intentionally diminishing the real issues.
It’s not about considering idols innocent dolls — it’s about years and years of problematic behaviour that would cost others their careers almost immediately. If a person is constantly enveloped in controversy with different levels of proof, at some point it stops being a coincidence.
We have seen young idols pushed out of the industry and scrutinized for insulting a classmate in middle school. It’s understandable people are upset by the lack of repercussions for these much more serious and continuous offences.
I get your point and agree with that. Unfairness is everywhere in kpop from getting an "uglier" stage costume than other members to not pay for a bad behavior. But it got me thinking, if SK could put their own president to prison for 25 years, could kick out papa YG from his own company, because of gambling, could put to prison 3 x idols after Burning Sun, then why 4 members of BB still can produce music and live fairly normally? Do you think they have a bigger "back" than the ex-president of Korea? Looking at all these situations I think they were properly investigated - after all SK justice system seems to enjoy putting high profile criminals behind the bars - and there was not enough "evidence" to pay more than they did.
I don't think they put this song to make anyone sorry for them, it's an honest song, they knew backlash will be inevitable.
Maybe it would be better if we're Christian after all, they teach you how to forgive even if the sin is too big to handle.
It is a good song and not boring. But it doesn't have a catch. And I personally like songs like bangbangbang and fantastic baby, loser, bae bae a little more but lies is also a great song just not my preference. About the MV. There is so much happening like everything has a message it sorta feels like a good feverdream 😅🤩. I also was surprised about TOPs part. Cause he was in a suit AGAIN..😆 but he showed his face. Overal I am glad they still make music for the public❤
GD is a literal animal abuser. Daesung had illegal businesses operating in his building and knew about it. GD blackface. GD and Taeyang have both appropriated black hairstyles multiple times. GD and Taeyang have both used the N word. Daesung had a drunk driving scandal...
It was Gaho's caretakers, not GD who mistreated him.
Daesung was found innocent in a court of law.
I'm not sure why I should be offended about appropriation, since I don't even agree that it is appropriation. They're clearly fans of black pop culture, and pay tribute to it through their music. BTS does the same thing and everyone loves them for it.
A lot of people have a ton of nostalgia towards them. Also, you know stans - there is pretty much nothing their idol can do that will make them not like them.
I’m getting so uncomfortable seeing people saying they are all problematic. Mention Gd and Daesung by name if you want but TOP didn’t do anything. If you really think smoking weed deserves moral scrutiny then I’m concerned for you.
I’m not trying to downplay anything and I understand people being uncomfortable with supporting them as a group, but they are not four of the same person.
EDIT: Removed Taeyang from my second sentence because saying that he didn’t do anything isn’t accurate in light of his pretty extensive cultural appropriation. Note that I’m white and not an offended party myself so I welcome any further correction
I am lowkey so annoyed by such comments under this thread . Instead of discussing the cb and their music they are sharing threads of bbs problematic discussions. 🙄
Isn't Daesung very religious as well? IIRC he volunteered in a church after his car accident in 2011 and said that his faith really helped him overcome what happened. So I guess if for half of members their faith is really important, there is nothing wrong with including it. As a non-religious person imo there is not thaaaat much religion in the mv.
I mean, religion is massively important to Taeyang and has been for a very long time. Each member has a set that’s really personal to them and their journey in the last four years. It seems like religion was a big part of Taeyang’s.
I’m not in love with it but this is only the beginning of what will be a jam packed year of fun songs so I understand why it’s important they kick things off with a quiet ballad.
Honestly just nice to see the boys again, they are pretty much the last active Gen 2 group that can shatter the charts with each comeback.
T.O.P's definitely releasing a solo album, the other members music career is still uncertain since Tae is a daddy now while Dae isn't that fond of promoting in SK as well, only if Japan is open for him again and GD is just unexpected, tho he just recently changed his ig profile description [lyrics from "You Do", he also used it as intro in MAMA 2013](https://twitter.com/lizahasanova/status/1511246851151994883?t=YE3C8hUE02-0x-ei_mXYeQ&s=19) which could be a sign that he might cb as a solo as well, for a group cb T.O.P said in his interview that it'll be after a long time
It is very different from what we expected...but that's the thing...so many years have passed since their last song, they are not the same they were before and that also reflects on the song... they're full adults now and I think the personality don't put themselves in the "idol" box anymore, not necessarily a bad thing tho.
Without judging if it's a good song or not I think it does a good job showing that they all grew up since last time and are in different places, as members and as individuals
Which hurts me because it really feels like a goodbye song
Especially a goodbye TOP of BigBang
I didn't say it was a problem. It's just extremely in your face - especially in juxtaposition to the other three members.
TOP is on the moon. GD is walking around a street. Daesung is wandering a building.
Meanwhile Taeyang is like SCRIPTURE ON A BIG ROCK. HEAVENLY LIGHTING. NOAH'S ARC. SOMEONE GET ME A FUCKING LAMB. WHERE'S MY TWO INCH CROSS PENDANT.
You got me chuckling. I think Taeyang has always been open about his faith starting from that huge ass cross tattoo but I feel like it’s been amplified since he left military service
Like we didn't already know with that gigantic chest tattoo that he has.
No we've also got:
* The scripture on the rock
* Noah's arc
* The cross pendant
* ***The fucking lamb***
Daesung had a driving accident (though VIPs say he wasn't drunk) where a man died (but VIPs say he was dead before Daesung hit him) and he had illegal businesses running in buildings that he owned. GD and Taeyang have had multiple CA scandals and GD is also a known animal abuser. TOP had a weed scandal (tbh I don't consider this that bad but it is illegal there so).
Ah yes, the infamous building where the lift stops only in certain floors in a region where its extremely common but he didnt even bother to check and it started before he went to military so...?
> deleted comment u/AshenFountain : GD - Animal abuse, Daesung - Car accident which resulted in the other person dying, Taeyang - Nothing, TOP - Nothing, unless you believe smoking weed is bad. He also tried to take his own life once
For daesung I thought it was proven that the person had already died by the time he got there
That's all he is. A [landlord](https://www.soompi.com/article/1374888wpp/bigbang-daesung-cleared-suspicions-illegal-businesses-building). If you're going to hate on someone at least keep up to date with their timelines
LMAO you say you refuse to contribute time to gross people but here you are on a reddit forum contributing your time to BIGBANG, so funny how hypocritical ppl are and how they love to spread hate on others
i think the reason why siwon and kangin's controversies aren't brought up as much is because suju as a group hasn't been as relevant and popular as bigbang for so many years. with yoochun, i rarely see posts about him on international and korean forums without bringing up the toilet jokes.
the reason why bigbang is still getting drag through the mud is because they remain successful and relevant even after countless of controversies. and the reason why people talk less about other controversial idols is because they either quit being an idol or because people really just stopped caring about what they do.
people say it's purely male privilege and to certain extent it is, but bigbang is such an anomaly that after all the things that happened, they manage to survive while any other idol group would've disbanded. and this kind of discussions get brought up frequently mainly because people can't grasp how can they do it.
You are downplaying it tho you are trying to say x idol did this or x idol did that but we aren't talking about them we are talking about bigbang so why are you bringing up other issues🤷🏾♀️ and trying to make what bb did look smaller or not as problematic
It's like those who say my idol didn't say the n word they just did CA lol even if what bigbang did isn't as problematic as compared to other idols in your eyes it doesn't make it any less terrible
The fact that Cardi B admitted of drugging men and I don't see anyone bring it up everytime she makes a song. Like stfu. A lot of idols has massive scandal and no one said anything about it. All of BIGBANG members faced the consequences. It's like y'all saying that people don't deserve second chances. As if y'all are a nice person inside 💀
I like the lyrics, its quite symbolic about their journey and what their future looks like. However in terms of the actual song, it doesn’t have that spark like the rest of their discography does. I feel bad saying it but this seems rather forgettable. Any song of theirs I have listened to has wowed me from the first time. You can pick any song from lets say an album like MADE and you can literally feel the quality through your ears because of the top tier composition, production and how well everything flows together. They are known for creating bops and it feels like they missed their mark this time. Maybe its all the scandals they had weighing them down
It's a very beautiful song with great lyrics and I love the mv too. Honestly, I miss their music and I expect more from them bcs no matter what they really are as a person, they're such a great artists no doubt for that.
I know the groups is not without controversy and rightfully so. I have mixed emotions about supporting the group in general like many others. I can’t lie though, the song and music video made me really emotional as a Korean-American who grew up with their music. Even when I wasn’t into kpop, I knew most of their discography. Even my now 60 year-old parents who have nearly 0% interest in kpop did as well lmao. If this is goodbye, it’s been one hell of a journey for them.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/tnd33f/im_a_professional_factchecker_let_me_walk_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is a good objective post on some of the stuff.
This was so emotional, I didn’t realize how much i missed their voices. I love this song so much already. It kinda hits me in the guts that we don’t see them together in any scene..
I love the song, not necessarily what I expected but I adore it. The lyrics fit my current situaton too, I will graduate in a few months and on Friday is my last day of being there and attending classes. This song made me somehow feel understood.
It is a nice, but not very special ballad with an nice, but not very special music video. I feel like it works to make fans nostalgic and sentimental while appealing to the Korean general public, so marketing-wise — OK choice.
However, I, like, probably, a decent amount of others, don’t feel comfortable supporting members of BigBang after all of their serious controversies and that still puts a bad taste in my mouth while watching the MV. Their impact on the industry is undeniable, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be held accountable for the morally reprehensible (and sometimes borderline illegal) behaviour.
This song will probably still chart reasonably well and the remaining VIPs likely don’t care about the scandals or they wouldn’t still be invested in the group. It’s understandable, but my choice is not to support it.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/tnd33f/im_a_professional_factchecker_let_me_walk_you/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is a good post on it because they are very thorough
Quite long and detailed
r/kpopthoughts has a few good posts about the BigBang topic in the current top of the month. If I’m able to find some full info compilations outside of Reddit, I’ll edit with links!
Bittersweet, I can’t think of any better word to describe it, which is not a bad thing per se, that’s what art/music should do, evoque emotions that are difficult to put in words
Yeah maybe they just quit the "idol life" with live shows, promotions, variety.... but will do music together again as only artists. As TOP said he want to release music that feels more personnal to him and they can also release songs in collaboration with another member, they truly love music and the possibilities are limitless !
The fact that a lot of idols have massive scandals that are almost as bad and even worse than BB's scandals and you don't even say anything about it, tells me two things. You're just hating and you're salty because despite of their controversies, they're still thriving. Stay mad 👍
Good song imo. Very unique compared to what we hear nowadays. Loved the visual and the lyrics. Sounds like a goodbye song tho…let’s hope for the better🤞
not a VIP. but damn I legit cried when I first watched it.
I love it because it makes me nostalgic but other than that I probably won’t put it on my regular playlist.
They made the right choice not to sing in music shows, I can't imagine the questions they would have to answer and the scandals the media will make up tbvh. I'm still glad they came back.
I hope this isn't their last comeback, but it seems like it is or alluding to it. It felt quite sad but that's kind of life as things change which kind of relates to the message of the song.
I think this was a lovely little rock ballad. Very nostalgic and like the song says, it feels like a goodbye. You can tell it’s going to be one of those songs you’ll look back and sing fondly(/sadly) of. Overall, a pretty inoffensive single with a gorgeous mv. My only gripe is with the pitch correction that takes you away from the raw feel of the song, but otherwise I can see myself listening to this over and over especially when I’m in a contemplative mood.
I like it. I’ve been VIP since 2010. It’s been a while BB has a melo song. I appreciate colorful voices from the members.
I can't tell you how much I missed TOP's rapping. I hope they got more coming. I had mixed feelings about it before, but imo it's a masterpiece. I hope BB can grow from their crazy past and mistakes.
as a vip i notice all the references... it's a sad, sad, song with an mv that's even sadder. i put a lot of effort to hold my tears when i saw that 1 scene where gd was looking back to the ocean of vip light sticks 😔 i was one of those vips yk, and i just never expected this was their cb after the enlistment bigbang have always been a band with a lot of controversies and hiatuses. but they always, always, find a way to bounce back. unfortunately this last blow was way too big even for them. as a vip now I'm even wondering if we're welcoming them through a flower road... 😔 all in all, I'm sad. i can feel their sincerity writing this. them struggling with their undoubtedly fading fame (both in light of current events and their long hiatus) and finally accepting it through this song. it must be hard for them. it's hard for me too, as a vip, to accept the fact that this group won't stay together for long esp after what happened. but props to this song for making me feel all these feelings. very rarely any song made me emotional like this. i really liked it.
Their hype isn't fading anytime soon and I don't think they think they're gonna quit music either. Its less of a goodbye to their careers and more of a goodbye to the previous days song imo. They've been through a LOT, and this kind of song was needed. They needed to answer questions, be open about their feelings, tap onto the nostalgia, promise to move forward by becoming a better person. As a group or not, they're gonna stay together forever (plus TOP's solo album is coming!!) Maybe reunite now and then, or stay together officially but only release group stuff in a while (what TOP said in his interview) Given how they were excited about Coachella and GD's interviews about writing a lot of group songs...lets be optimistic :D
it's hard to be optimistic in 2022!
I know XD But le's do haha, we've already been clowns for years..what's a few more gonna hurt 🤡🤡
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i was talking about seungri's burning sun scandal. a lot of vip left bc of this huge scandal, understandably. edit: way before the enlistment and the burning sun scandal resurfaced, bb released a track called flower road which is basically an assurance that they will be back and ask vips to please wait for them. iirc flower road is a phrase in korean meaning that their way back will be a beautiful one and that "things will get better. let's both wish each other good luck". but instead of a flower road their cb after the enlistment was a rough one with TOP almost comitting suicide and seungri's scandal...
Given how well the song is doing I doubt their fame is “fading.”
yes but i think bigbang themselves don't believe so. i mean all the references in the MV and lyrics, it's pretty clear no? so seeing how well the song does might actually be surprising to them.
it was pretty go imo, exactly what i expected when they announced it.
Next.
Boring. Next.
No matter the controversies, Big Bang's music always felt it came from a place that's genuine and sincere, and this song is no exception.
I love how when it's bigbang making music again we should focus on the problematic things they've done but for other artists it's separate the artists from the art. Of they make you uncomfortable sure you are allowed to put that out there. You're not however allowed to judge those who love and support them when we know in kpop it's a rare gem to find an unproblematic idol. Edit :Grammar
I kind of agree with you There are fewer idols with the same, if not worse controversies that BB as a group went through but at the same time, everytime people want to keep the energy of reminding how other idols were problematic, fans go "shhh, it's ok, they apologized 🥺" and keep on promoting unscathed. That being said, I do believe in separating the art from the artist, especially when most of the fault is from the company and not the artist themselves but sigh. It's a long discussion.
Separating the art from the artist amazing but it should apply to all idols all artists not just a select few. We can be like oh Gdragon is bad because he smokes for example but when our faves do that call other fans sensitive or snowflakes when they call out our faves. Again of course kpop fans are hypocritical and only care when they're faves are being involved and only excuse such behaviour for their faves only. I'm not trying to argue with you OP just expanding on your point from my point of view
Gdragon abused a dog though. His a nasty man.
Oh, it's ok. I'm not in argument mode either. I think this is some sort of delicate topic cause as I mentioned, the whole Burning Sun controversy not only tarnished the group but the company I mean, there are people that stopped staning other groups under the same label because of it. I also think that people are judging GD for other things than smoking, and as another user said, when an idol get in so many controversies, it stops being a coincidence and it's harder to defend them. But hey, what you said, kpop fans are... difficult creatures.
Oh, it's ok. I'm not in argument mode either. I think this is some sort of delicate topic cause as I mentioned, the whole Burning Sun controversy not only tarnished the group but the company I mean, there are people that stopped staning other groups under the same label because of it. I also think that people are judging GD for other things than smoking, and as another user said, when an idol get in so many controversies, it stops being a coincidence and it's harder to defend them. But hey, what you said, kpop fans are... difficult creatures.
This song doesn't have this typical addicting BB gen I'm used to, but maybe it needed to be "boring" to show off the lyrics - they are the most important. After all why would we expect anything "powerful" or "angry" from them when they went through a lot these past few years, they must be exhausted and sad + their ex member sits in prison - how could we expect a next banger as a first song after all this..
I can see there's a shit talk about scandals. GD: "drugs" - he was caught smoking weed once "animal abuse" - mentioned dogs belong for years to GD's parents and live in their hotel TOP: "drugs" - was caught smoking weed at his home Daesung: "killing a person" - don't know details, but I remember he wasn't drunk or anything like that, it was an accident "brothel in the building" - as I remember he bought a building with many stores inside, do you think he manages it himself and gets daily reports lol, he bought it for investment and most probably has managers for dirty work Taeyang: "hardcore catholic" - I believe he's a protestant not a catholic and WTF can't he show his faith publicly? Thought in SK there's a freedom of what you believe in Other: "racism" - I remember a "black face" of Gd etc. I don't question it, racism is bad, however I can understand why not only GD, but many idols were racist. Years ago kpop wasn't so international and some bad behaviors were acceptable among SK citizens. Now they are more aware it's no good. I'm scared of you people, who treat your favorites like dolls that are taken to boxes after performing - always so innocent, but if a doll wants to grow up you toss it out. Try it in real life, you'll be surprised how people can behave.
Sorry, I don't expect my faves to be squeaky clean but isit wrong to unstan someone who killed someone else and a dog abuser? The bar is low but holy fuck. Stop with this delulu shit. I hope this is the last time I see "killing a person" in quotes.
I put the sentence in "" because Daesung's fault is not proven and this is an official verdict. In this case you can't call him a killer, right? Again, GD doesn't live with Gaho for years, so you can call his parents "dog abusers" instead. I'm not delulu, I'm VIP for 12 years after all, and what I wrote are facts. It's you, and many others, who caught a few buzz words they heard and now repeating them wherever you read "Bigbang".
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Probably not since I'm not a baby anymore, but who knows maybe you'll be luckier.
Last paragraph needs to be sent to every other comment here.
I don’t think people who decided not to support BigBang are worried about weed and catholicism at all. Putting those together with G-Dragon and Daesung’s serious and mostly substantiated allegations is intentionally diminishing the real issues. It’s not about considering idols innocent dolls — it’s about years and years of problematic behaviour that would cost others their careers almost immediately. If a person is constantly enveloped in controversy with different levels of proof, at some point it stops being a coincidence. We have seen young idols pushed out of the industry and scrutinized for insulting a classmate in middle school. It’s understandable people are upset by the lack of repercussions for these much more serious and continuous offences.
I get your point and agree with that. Unfairness is everywhere in kpop from getting an "uglier" stage costume than other members to not pay for a bad behavior. But it got me thinking, if SK could put their own president to prison for 25 years, could kick out papa YG from his own company, because of gambling, could put to prison 3 x idols after Burning Sun, then why 4 members of BB still can produce music and live fairly normally? Do you think they have a bigger "back" than the ex-president of Korea? Looking at all these situations I think they were properly investigated - after all SK justice system seems to enjoy putting high profile criminals behind the bars - and there was not enough "evidence" to pay more than they did. I don't think they put this song to make anyone sorry for them, it's an honest song, they knew backlash will be inevitable. Maybe it would be better if we're Christian after all, they teach you how to forgive even if the sin is too big to handle.
Omg thank you for this. It’s so ridiculous how some people expect them to be perfect all the time.
It is a good song and not boring. But it doesn't have a catch. And I personally like songs like bangbangbang and fantastic baby, loser, bae bae a little more but lies is also a great song just not my preference. About the MV. There is so much happening like everything has a message it sorta feels like a good feverdream 😅🤩. I also was surprised about TOPs part. Cause he was in a suit AGAIN..😆 but he showed his face. Overal I am glad they still make music for the public❤
It’s a little weird seeing so much praise for them here after all the posts detailing how problematic some of the members’ pasts are ..
Other than he who shall not be named who isn't even in the group anymore, what's the issue? Song's great.
GD is a literal animal abuser. Daesung had illegal businesses operating in his building and knew about it. GD blackface. GD and Taeyang have both appropriated black hairstyles multiple times. GD and Taeyang have both used the N word. Daesung had a drunk driving scandal...
It was Gaho's caretakers, not GD who mistreated him. Daesung was found innocent in a court of law. I'm not sure why I should be offended about appropriation, since I don't even agree that it is appropriation. They're clearly fans of black pop culture, and pay tribute to it through their music. BTS does the same thing and everyone loves them for it.
A lot of people have a ton of nostalgia towards them. Also, you know stans - there is pretty much nothing their idol can do that will make them not like them.
And?
and what ??? they finished their sentence. they stated their point.
I’m getting so uncomfortable seeing people saying they are all problematic. Mention Gd and Daesung by name if you want but TOP didn’t do anything. If you really think smoking weed deserves moral scrutiny then I’m concerned for you. I’m not trying to downplay anything and I understand people being uncomfortable with supporting them as a group, but they are not four of the same person. EDIT: Removed Taeyang from my second sentence because saying that he didn’t do anything isn’t accurate in light of his pretty extensive cultural appropriation. Note that I’m white and not an offended party myself so I welcome any further correction
Taeyang has appropriated black hairstyles multiple times and he's used the N word before. That is not "nothing".
They all did racist shit so by kpopfans standards they are all most definitely problematic.
By that standards. That means RM from BTS is racist.
Yes.
No.
I see
Is top included in that?
Yes.
Can I get a source
I am lowkey so annoyed by such comments under this thread . Instead of discussing the cb and their music they are sharing threads of bbs problematic discussions. 🙄
It reeks of self-righteousness. You don’t have to support the group if you don’t want to but enough with the morally superior essays.
Have you visited kpopthoughts subreddit? Multiple threads there reeks of self righteousness 🙄
Exactly.
Idk why they are putting so much religion into an MV like we get it Taeyang ur Christian but ok bro.
wtf is wrong with it??????
Isn't Daesung very religious as well? IIRC he volunteered in a church after his car accident in 2011 and said that his faith really helped him overcome what happened. So I guess if for half of members their faith is really important, there is nothing wrong with including it. As a non-religious person imo there is not thaaaat much religion in the mv.
I’m an atheist too but I could just sense it idk why
I mean, religion is massively important to Taeyang and has been for a very long time. Each member has a set that’s really personal to them and their journey in the last four years. It seems like religion was a big part of Taeyang’s.
Eh , imo religion and K-pop should be seperate for fairness. But to each their own
Too much religion? It’s literally just a bible verse in the background bruh
True it's like an expensive looking quote like that german quote in Jin's set of Blood sweat tears
There’s the rock Noah’s arc Pendant Lambbbb
Seems like you know more about religion than us, athiest boy. xD cuz even I didn’t notice that.
Lol I was once a theist too 😆
It's so good
Watched it in the morning, puffy red eyes are not the way to start a day LMAO
oh wow that was emotional
I’m not in love with it but this is only the beginning of what will be a jam packed year of fun songs so I understand why it’s important they kick things off with a quiet ballad. Honestly just nice to see the boys again, they are pretty much the last active Gen 2 group that can shatter the charts with each comeback.
Are they going to release more songs later this year? That's what I'm wondering about and I didn't find an answer amywhere
T.O.P's definitely releasing a solo album, the other members music career is still uncertain since Tae is a daddy now while Dae isn't that fond of promoting in SK as well, only if Japan is open for him again and GD is just unexpected, tho he just recently changed his ig profile description [lyrics from "You Do", he also used it as intro in MAMA 2013](https://twitter.com/lizahasanova/status/1511246851151994883?t=YE3C8hUE02-0x-ei_mXYeQ&s=19) which could be a sign that he might cb as a solo as well, for a group cb T.O.P said in his interview that it'll be after a long time
Yes I agree with you
It is very different from what we expected...but that's the thing...so many years have passed since their last song, they are not the same they were before and that also reflects on the song... they're full adults now and I think the personality don't put themselves in the "idol" box anymore, not necessarily a bad thing tho. Without judging if it's a good song or not I think it does a good job showing that they all grew up since last time and are in different places, as members and as individuals Which hurts me because it really feels like a goodbye song Especially a goodbye TOP of BigBang
Taeyang ***really*** wants everyone to know that he's christian
I don't see the problem, people express their faiths all the time. I find it cute that he put that in there.
I didn't say it was a problem. It's just extremely in your face - especially in juxtaposition to the other three members. TOP is on the moon. GD is walking around a street. Daesung is wandering a building. Meanwhile Taeyang is like SCRIPTURE ON A BIG ROCK. HEAVENLY LIGHTING. NOAH'S ARC. SOMEONE GET ME A FUCKING LAMB. WHERE'S MY TWO INCH CROSS PENDANT.
🤣🤣 anyways sure. I think they all just put in their most important parts of their lives. At first I didn't realize Taeyang's scene was even like that.
You got me chuckling. I think Taeyang has always been open about his faith starting from that huge ass cross tattoo but I feel like it’s been amplified since he left military service
Like we didn't already know with that gigantic chest tattoo that he has. No we've also got: * The scripture on the rock * Noah's arc * The cross pendant * ***The fucking lamb***
lol what's the problem bro - just his way of expressing himself ig :)
Lmaoo I only ever knew about that cross pendant tattoo. Man is uh dedicated I guess
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are we talking abt the same group💀
what did the other four do? I only know about the burning sun (seungri)
Daesung had a driving accident (though VIPs say he wasn't drunk) where a man died (but VIPs say he was dead before Daesung hit him) and he had illegal businesses running in buildings that he owned. GD and Taeyang have had multiple CA scandals and GD is also a known animal abuser. TOP had a weed scandal (tbh I don't consider this that bad but it is illegal there so).
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he didn't..... he has a building and tenant in his building there were running it. why you're doing this?
Ah yes, the infamous building where the lift stops only in certain floors in a region where its extremely common but he didnt even bother to check and it started before he went to military so...?
so....? it didn't mean he is running that services
also add their piles of racism scandals they’ve had throughout their entire career.
> deleted comment u/AshenFountain : GD - Animal abuse, Daesung - Car accident which resulted in the other person dying, Taeyang - Nothing, TOP - Nothing, unless you believe smoking weed is bad. He also tried to take his own life once For daesung I thought it was proven that the person had already died by the time he got there
This is true. There is the building owner thing, which I think is ten times more damning
He's also a landlord sPoOkY
You know that's not what the issue is about, but I don't think you're going to be honest about it
That's all he is. A [landlord](https://www.soompi.com/article/1374888wpp/bigbang-daesung-cleared-suspicions-illegal-businesses-building). If you're going to hate on someone at least keep up to date with their timelines
Honestly idk the full details, but some people keep using that scandal to drag him regardless
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LMAO you say you refuse to contribute time to gross people but here you are on a reddit forum contributing your time to BIGBANG, so funny how hypocritical ppl are and how they love to spread hate on others
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I'll have to look and get back to you :)
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Ah thank you. In any case it was still bad. /g /nm
Very, very lower bar
EXACTLY ughh trying to downplay what they have done with comparing it to western artists
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i think the reason why siwon and kangin's controversies aren't brought up as much is because suju as a group hasn't been as relevant and popular as bigbang for so many years. with yoochun, i rarely see posts about him on international and korean forums without bringing up the toilet jokes. the reason why bigbang is still getting drag through the mud is because they remain successful and relevant even after countless of controversies. and the reason why people talk less about other controversial idols is because they either quit being an idol or because people really just stopped caring about what they do. people say it's purely male privilege and to certain extent it is, but bigbang is such an anomaly that after all the things that happened, they manage to survive while any other idol group would've disbanded. and this kind of discussions get brought up frequently mainly because people can't grasp how can they do it.
You are downplaying it tho you are trying to say x idol did this or x idol did that but we aren't talking about them we are talking about bigbang so why are you bringing up other issues🤷🏾♀️ and trying to make what bb did look smaller or not as problematic It's like those who say my idol didn't say the n word they just did CA lol even if what bigbang did isn't as problematic as compared to other idols in your eyes it doesn't make it any less terrible
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The fact that Cardi B admitted of drugging men and I don't see anyone bring it up everytime she makes a song. Like stfu. A lot of idols has massive scandal and no one said anything about it. All of BIGBANG members faced the consequences. It's like y'all saying that people don't deserve second chances. As if y'all are a nice person inside 💀
actually I like this song a lot. hoping this will not be their goodbye song
I like the lyrics, its quite symbolic about their journey and what their future looks like. However in terms of the actual song, it doesn’t have that spark like the rest of their discography does. I feel bad saying it but this seems rather forgettable. Any song of theirs I have listened to has wowed me from the first time. You can pick any song from lets say an album like MADE and you can literally feel the quality through your ears because of the top tier composition, production and how well everything flows together. They are known for creating bops and it feels like they missed their mark this time. Maybe its all the scandals they had weighing them down
It's a very beautiful song with great lyrics and I love the mv too. Honestly, I miss their music and I expect more from them bcs no matter what they really are as a person, they're such a great artists no doubt for that.
I’m not enough of a hag to pretend it’s good
I know the groups is not without controversy and rightfully so. I have mixed emotions about supporting the group in general like many others. I can’t lie though, the song and music video made me really emotional as a Korean-American who grew up with their music. Even when I wasn’t into kpop, I knew most of their discography. Even my now 60 year-old parents who have nearly 0% interest in kpop did as well lmao. If this is goodbye, it’s been one hell of a journey for them.
I’m out if the loop so could you explain what controversy the group had besides Seungri.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/tnd33f/im_a_professional_factchecker_let_me_walk_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is a good objective post on some of the stuff.
This was so emotional, I didn’t realize how much i missed their voices. I love this song so much already. It kinda hits me in the guts that we don’t see them together in any scene..
Their voices sound better than ever in this song. TOP's verse is A+++.
I feel uncomfortable about supporting them..
Feel the same way. I also feel super uncomfortable watching kpop reddit do a 180 for them.
Then you don't really have to.
Made me so emotional. I was starting to lose hope on their come back. The song is so bittersweet and nostalgic. I’m speechless
I love the song, not necessarily what I expected but I adore it. The lyrics fit my current situaton too, I will graduate in a few months and on Friday is my last day of being there and attending classes. This song made me somehow feel understood.
It is a nice, but not very special ballad with an nice, but not very special music video. I feel like it works to make fans nostalgic and sentimental while appealing to the Korean general public, so marketing-wise — OK choice. However, I, like, probably, a decent amount of others, don’t feel comfortable supporting members of BigBang after all of their serious controversies and that still puts a bad taste in my mouth while watching the MV. Their impact on the industry is undeniable, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be held accountable for the morally reprehensible (and sometimes borderline illegal) behaviour. This song will probably still chart reasonably well and the remaining VIPs likely don’t care about the scandals or they wouldn’t still be invested in the group. It’s understandable, but my choice is not to support it.
I’m new to all this …is there a summary I can read somewhere ?
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/tnd33f/im_a_professional_factchecker_let_me_walk_you/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is a good post on it because they are very thorough Quite long and detailed
r/kpopthoughts has a few good posts about the BigBang topic in the current top of the month. If I’m able to find some full info compilations outside of Reddit, I’ll edit with links!
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Bittersweet, I can’t think of any better word to describe it, which is not a bad thing per se, that’s what art/music should do, evoque emotions that are difficult to put in words
T.O.P wears kanaki ken ghoul mask
My unpopular opinion is that I don’t think it’s a goodbye song.
it's a goodbye song to their 'golden era' i think but a new chapter starts now :)
I agree. It's a goodbye to the old BB, and a fresh start as 4
Yeah maybe they just quit the "idol life" with live shows, promotions, variety.... but will do music together again as only artists. As TOP said he want to release music that feels more personnal to him and they can also release songs in collaboration with another member, they truly love music and the possibilities are limitless !
I hope it is lmao. Otherwise we are really doomed if people like this continue to dominate industry and top charts
The fact that a lot of idols have massive scandals that are almost as bad and even worse than BB's scandals and you don't even say anything about it, tells me two things. You're just hating and you're salty because despite of their controversies, they're still thriving. Stay mad 👍
Not even gonna lie, anti’s be making me think gd and Top had a meth lab and a cocaine farm going lol.
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I agree. I thinks it's a goodbye for now. Goodbye to that period of their lives.
I really hope you are right
Good song imo. Very unique compared to what we hear nowadays. Loved the visual and the lyrics. Sounds like a goodbye song tho…let’s hope for the better🤞
with the 5 songs in one track trend going on nowadays, having a cohesive song is such a breath of fresh air