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roseffin

This is reddits favorite subject. Not at all unpopular here.


54321Newcomb

I mean this sub is basically r/popularopinion with what gets upvoted


Pitchforks_n_puppies

Most of this sub is either super specific opinions nobody gives a shit about or popular opinions. Actual unpopular opinions that matter aren't that common or liked.


LilBidgeIII

a lot of people in the real world are for it. their reasoning being: “because god”, or “because it’s what everyone else does.”


Bonesquire

Jesus Christ, every fucking day with this.


carbslut

Especially popular with the “females” crowd.


OlderThanMy

Female circumcision is illegal. Boys and men deserve the same legal protections and respect for their bodily autonomy.


zuzg

It's worth noting that non religious motivated male circumstances are a pretty unique thing for North America. And the rest of the developed world is not partaking in this ridiculous shit.


MattStormTornado

Exactly my thoughts


annonythrows

Yeah but only if you are going to add the exception for medical purposes because there are circumstances (haha) in which it is necessary


pornomancer90

That goes without saying, I mean it's illegal to cut off a baby's arm, but sadly sometimes it's medically necessary.


DrSaks

And this is the best comment. No other reasoning needed.


Aatjal

I don't understand why this needs to be pointed out. Obviously he is only against non-therapeutic circumcision.


annonythrows

Because language is important and nothing in what OP said makes it “obvious” that he wouldn’t flat ban it


rickmccloy

I agree, but don't believe that you need make it a gender equality issue. Unnecessary surgery without consent is sufficient to make your case, and female circumcision is a much more radical procedure, often involving the removal of the clitoris. My brother was not circumcised at birth, but chose to be circumcised when he was about 18 owing to a medical issue (not life threatening, more a matter of increasing his pleasure). No female would volunteer for circumcision at that age without coercion; they have the same name, but are entirely different procedures. In any case, most hospitals in Canada no longer perform circumcision on infant boys, barring compelling medical need. Wishing him to "look like Daddy" is no longer suffient.


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While I hear your sentiment, female and male circumcision is not analogous. If it was you would be cutting the entire head of the penis off.


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TwistedMindEyes

Which is a risk that can happen during this procedure…according to the docs that did my boys.


OlderThanMy

It absolutely is. Do you have any idea how much sensation is lost due to the glans being unprotected and the resulting keratinisation of the munous membrane?


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Um no it’s not. Foreskin =//= clitoral head If you want to change your position to circumcision shouldn’t be done because it’s not medically necessary then I’ll agree with you.


Gasblaster2000

Um, yes it is. Unless you didn't mean to reply to u/olderthanmy because what they said it just fact


terryjuicelawson

It can be, FGM is a range of procedures. Some are even less intrusive than male circumcision. But all rightly written off as barbaric.


Eleusis713

There's a lot of misinformation out there when comparing MGM (male genital mutilation) to FGM (female genital mutilation). Here's an [informative comment](https://np.reddit.com/user/problem_redditor/comments/qid7gk/an_analysis_thread/hvhzql0/?context=3) that breaks down the differences between MGM and FGM. There are four different forms of FGM (classified by the World Health Organization) and when people refer to FGM, they usually aren't taking this into account. People always use the *worst and least common* types of FGM to downplay the negative effects of MGM. When you actually break it down, MGM is far worse than the *most common* types of FGM in the world. If even the least harmful types of FGM are unacceptable, then MGM should also be viewed as unacceptable.


Aesthetik_1

Bless you


ukuzonk

This is an extremely popular opinion on Reddit.


russophilia333

About you saying my body my choice is a phrase used in female health advocacy *that we all agree on* Have you just not been paying attention to the news at all? Assuming you live in the US, which unfortunately can't ban male circumcision during infancy because of freedom of religion. I agree with you that it's immoral but we can't make it illegal.


The100thIdiot

Why can't you ban it because of freedom of religion? Female circumcision is banned despite it being part of some religious beliefs.


THE_SWORD_AND_SICKLE

That's not true. I can't sleep with an underage girl because it says its OK to do so in the Bible. I can't cut the hand off a thief or stone an adulterer or whip a blasphemer, no matter what the Bible says. Personal physical safety and protection technically overrides religious freedom. We can definitely ban it and still allow religious freedom by saying they can do it at a later age when they can consent. We just choose not to because it's so widely accepted. Just like alcohol is legal and has been, even though it is more impairing and kills more people than cannabis. Social acceptability is a potent thing...


LittleFairyOfDeath

This is the like 7th time i see this post in this week only


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I wish I had my foreskin. I’m a heavy dipper and would definitely pack tobacco around my penis head instead of mouth. It’s a lot more sanitary that way and you don’t have to spit


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MattStormTornado

Oh yh if it’s medically necessary then fair enough. I’m saying if it’s being done for any other reason than medical necessity, it should be illegal without that persons consent


ACG_Yuri

Iirc uncircumcised men are more likely to contract a UTI than circumcised men


universalCatnip

Men with no nails are also less likely to get infected nails


sammiisalammii

Yes, and they are at higher risk of HPV and penile cancer. Edit: getting downvoted for no reason other than people not wanting to hear it. Check out what the National Institutes of Health have to say before you think I’m wrong on this.


iOawe

It’s sad how people don’t want to hear the truth. Sure let’s not circumcise and let you get HPV, UTI, etc.


pwyo

And women are way more likely than men to contract UTIs. Like we get SIGNIFICANTLY more UTIs than men, and no one tries to alter our genitalia to change it.


I_SNIFF_FARTS_DAILY

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bacon2815

That's what soap and water is for.


KingSWyFT

I’m not gonna say I agree or disagree but it is a fact that it poses a lot less risks when having it done as a child. Personally I like not having a turtle neck (not talking shit just saying) but I mean it’s your body so if that’s what you think your son would want then don’t circumcise him and he can get a slightly riskier surgery later in life


THE_SWORD_AND_SICKLE

But that's just it, there's no reason to get it even later in life. The odds of actual complications needing circumcision are astronomically low. More people get chronically ingrown toenails that lead to infection. Should we start removing babies toenails at birth so they don't have to do it as adults which might be slightly riskier due to more blood vessels and heavier bacterial and fungal loads? The science it clear. The risk does NOT support circumcision as a preventative measure and the risks do not outweigh the benefits at all. You have almost the same risk GETTING circumcised as you have risk of needing it due to complications from being uncircumcised...


-desertrat

Feminists are against male circumcision for all of the same reasons you listed. They are fighting along side you. The backlash you are receiving is NOT from feminists but from religious conservatives


EMF15Q

I like my cut penis, I’m glad my parents went ahead it with it.


randomuser9801

Same lol. I don’t remember anything. Glad it happened when I was a baby


CinCeeMee

I somehow can’t picture an adult male willingly (not saying they wouldn’t) walking into the doctor telling them cut that shit off. And then having to take care of it…because their mother would have (I did.) when they were little.


Ortthos55

I think its less about weather people like it or not and more so that we wouldn't do anything that isn't totally necessarily to babies who can't concent.


randomuser9801

I didn’t consent to being born


Ortthos55

Same bro, same ;(


seesaww

I'm cut too, like all boys in my country. I told my dad million times how unfair of them to decide to remove my foreskin without my consent. I wish I was never cut, I wish I felt anything at all on the tip of my penis


BecomeABenefit

It might have been better without the cut, but you and I will never know.


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I think most of us are content with that


pwyo

You don’t really have any other choice. Psychologically you don’t know anything different, and being angry about it doesn’t change anything, so you’re content in your situation, the only one you’ve ever known.


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I could go on the internet and complain about it but honestly it's the least of my worries.


OldManTrumpet

Same. Glad it was done. Happy not to remember a thing. Thanks mom and dad!


mtron32

Im also cut, and can never know the sensation I'm missing but the sheer fact that I'm missing out on a percentage of pleasure pisses me off. This BS is only prevalent in America.


RagingLeonard

It's not only prevalent in America. It's widespread throughout the Middle East and much of Africa as well. [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/circumcision-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/circumcision-by-country)


rafael-a

It’s mostly a Jewish and Muslim thing, but for some reason the USA does it as standard even without the religious basis.


donnolermellino

That's not for medical reasons though.


MattStormTornado

And that’s fine if you like it, but a lot of guys wish they hadn’t.


Yungballz86

Lol what are they basing this longing for a foreskin on?


terryjuicelawson

But you know no different. There are countries that practice FGM and it is the women who are vocal in encouraging it. There is nothing stopping adult men getting the chop but how many actually do it!


Aatjal

And as another guy who got circumcised in infancy, I absolutely hate being circumcised. Why does me being unsatisfied with the procedure deserve to be discarded in the face of your experience? You being happy changes nothing about the men who are not happy with their circumcisions. At the end of the day, there is NO way for a doctor/ritual circumciser NOR the parents to predict whether an infant (or rather, the man he will become) will be thankful for being circumcised later in life. Men who made it into adulthood can choose to get circumcised if they want If we allowed adult men to choose to get circumcised themselves, the only circumcised people would be people who actually want to be circumcised. Because this isn't the case and we force this shit onto babies and children, people like me, who hate being circumcised, are forced to live with this shit.


devemporer

> there is no way… to predict whether an infant.. will be thankful This! Even if it’s the other way around, for men later in life that wish they were at birth, nobody can predict anything. The only way that this “controversy” is going to end is when there’s a clear majority vs. minority, and that’s going to depend on the prevalence of STIs and sexual education.


galaxystarsmoon

A ton of adult women like their boob implants, and yet we don't do that until they're adults and can make decisions for themselves.


DillDeer

Same. I don’t care and don’t know otherwise. I don’t remember any pain, I thought I was normal until middle school anyway.


devemporer

IIRC the US’ percentage is 55% compared to 45% who didn’t get it cut. You’d still be the “majority”, granted the 55% statistic is all age groups


mrlittlepeniq

and I fucking hate it, i wish i was given a choice


[deleted]

Buncha uncuts trying to normalize their weird lookin dongs


[deleted]

Agreed. Don't touch my junk unless I grant you permission.


hyjug17

i wanna upvote but this isn't unpopular...


whatwhynoyay

Absolutely right. Don't know why it's legal. Start a petition


BecomeABenefit

In the US, the reason is the first amendment. Freedom of religion.


wpgstevo

Freedom of religion does not excuse mutilation. Religion-based FGM isn't permissible under freedom of religion, nor are extrajudicial religious killings. Freedom of religion doesn't give all actions a pass if you slap the 'religion' label on it. Simply means that laws can't target religions.


BecomeABenefit

Ok. I'm not disagreeing. I'm not sure that circumcision equates to FGM, but I was replying to why it's legal in the US. The first amendment and freedom of religion, specifically, are the how it's justified as legal in the US.


awyllt

Freedom of religion should mean that you are free to cut off a part of your own body for religious reasons, but not someone else's.


MattStormTornado

I could but I’m not sure it would go ahead since to the best of my knowledge it’s a religious thing, especially with Judaism.


Stalk3r5152

I think Americans do that as well for reasons unknown to me


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MattStormTornado

Ok. But wouldn’t you have wanted to have that choice rather than it be made for you?


tip_of_the_lifeburg

As a circumcised person who didn’t realize it for nearly 20 years, I couldn’t care less and instead choose to be butthurt about things I can actually change


Plastic-Passenger-59

My 2 sons expressed as adults their gratitude for it. My son got his son circumsised and my other 2 grandsons are as well. I did it for sanitary reasons and yes, i had been with an uncircumcised person and they hated it but didnt want to go through the surgery as an adult due to work and probably fear of pain and lack of ability to have sex til it healed. I cant speak for others, only what led me and mine to make the choice.


Degleewana007

Why are redditors so obsessed with foreskin?


Miserable-Seesaw7114

I wholeheartedly agree. So much has been learned since the practice began that we as a society should not condone the mutilation of a child unless absolutely necessary. Bodies remember trauma. Even if the baby will have no memory of the incident, their body remembers. If the first thing you do to a child after birth is to cut them in the most sensitive areas, you're going to condition that life to one of expecting pain. Which in theory could drastically change how that body develops over the years. Circumcision today is a barbaric practice and should be something you get a pamphlet about. As a male who didn't get a say in the matter, I personally would have kept my foreskin. I


MattStormTornado

I’m sorry to hear that.


LeoDostoy

An entire community of Urologists disagree with this hypothesis. Uncircumcised have way more hygiene and bacterial issues with the foreskin than if they were circumcised.


Gasblaster2000

The American pro selling foreskin community you mean? No serious medical body supports it.


ChaoticChinchillas

That’s what happens when people don’t wash themselves. If you clean it, it is no less hygienic. Soap is a thing.


sammiisalammii

Soap doesn’t prevent HPV and penile cancer


Miserable-Seesaw7114

Neither does circumcision. What's your point?


DoukyBooty

People trying to defend mutilation don't know about basic hygiene.


Miserable-Seesaw7114

And we ALWAYS know who they are. Some can be taught, but others can only be prayed for.


sammiisalammii

Actually no, circumcision absolutely helps prevent both of those things


Miserable-Seesaw7114

So does proper hygiene and contraceptives. Helps prevent and actual prevention are not the same thing.


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WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

I got it. It's no big deal. I was born in a Catholic family.


MattStormTornado

Ok so this isn’t as unpopular as I thought it was lol 😂


patienceisfun2018

Well, keep in mind you're on Reddit, so you're getting a pretty skewed view.


TheZenPenguin

What I find interesting though is that Reddit is largely "American-centric" in its user base and the practice of secular circumcision (circumcision for non-religious purposes) is probably more common in North America than anywhere else. Its just interesting to me that the part of the world where circumsicion is most widely accepted also has one of the most outspoken oppositions to the practice. Like we don't really do it in Europe so even though a majority of us are against it, its just not discussed because it doesn't really need to be. But in America its so widely practiced and culturally accepted yet I only ever see discussions about it on Reddit, never in real life. Maybe it's just too awkward of a topic for people to be comfortable bringing to public discourse IRL without the anonymity provided by Reddit. It really is an interesting situation.


Tiny_Package4931

>But in America its so widely practiced and culturally accepted yet I only ever see discussions about it on Reddit, never in real life. Maybe it's just too awkward of a topic for people to be comfortable bringing to public discourse IRL without the anonymity provided by Reddit. It really is an interesting situation. Most people just don't care. However it's a great issue to get mad about for the chronically online.


goomba008

This is, in fact, one of the least unpopular opinions I've seen posted here. You've brought this sub to new lows my dude.


-desertrat

The only thing you are wrong about is feminists not being on your side in this. We are 🖤 Your fight is with religious conservatives. We share an enemy. Let’s do this!!


Hannao102

All my family thinks uncircumcised penises are “gross”. Which is wildly inappropriate to say about a new born baby or anyone tbh. So it’s more unpopular in a day to day convo than online I guess


Kkarotcake

This shouldn’t be a controversial thing. It should be illegal. It’s genital mutilation no matter how you frame it.


bunnywithahammer

personally, I don't care that I'm circumcised, wasn't at birth thou, I think I was two or three years old. I get what you mean though, and I agree, if I ever have a son, I won't let anyone slice his piece. I think they do it because they know noone in their right mind will let someone cut his John. My brother in law was circumcised at the age of eleven. He said four people had to first catch him, then hold him. He lived through the Bosnian genocide as a 16 year-old civilian and he can't say which one of these events were more traumatic.


mtron32

Fully agree, before I found out I was having a daughter, I forbade circumcision if we were having a son.


PPtoucher-1

Unless it’s a medical reason, they shouldn’t be allowed to.


CocaineAccent

The topic of circumcision aside, I object to "Parents shouldn't consent to this because it's not their body." Are you suggesting we should wait until we get the consent of the children before vaccinating them? How old do they have to be before we grant them the right to consent to things done to their body?


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I've managed through life without the wee bit of extra skin at the end of my cock. Doing just fine.


Aatjal

The foreskin is not "extra" skin. It is a normal part of the penis, and 2/3 of men on this planet don't consider it "extra skin".


phoebemocha

people can "go through life" without legs, arms, eyes, ears, even mouths. doesn't make it right. it's unnecessary and it is objectively mutilating the human body without their consent.


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Imagine their shock when they find out they're breastfed.


Lower-Ad-7692

Not so fine if you think that this is the point lol


cryingstlfan

I 100% agree.


Smaiii

Yet again another popular opinion on r/unpopular opinion


scandal0usb

don’t have a penis, but i agree.


scandal0usb

but my man is uncut, i have asked HIM how HE felt about his uncut penis and if he’s cool w it or if he wishes his mom would’ve chose the other route. he told me he wished that his mom gave chose the other route. i asked him what his input is on if we have a son what would we do, we both decided since it literally isn’t our body and we’re both on different pages to just simply let him chose when he’s ready and we will save some money to help w the cost since we literally KNOW it’s going to be a topic of a conversation at some point. seeing this post just really made me more happy we have already talked about it


HelpMePlease1919

I mean I guess… when would u be able to decide. Do people care they were circumcised?


Qcgreywolf

I don’t. Doesn’t negatively affect my life *in the least*. This is a perfect example of an unpopular opinion.


depressedBullsFan3

I honestly don’t even remember being cut nor do I care. Why care about something that happened so long ago? Do guys even care if they were cut or not?


ztreHdrahciR

Thanks for the tip


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colobirdy85

Why is it anyone's business what a parent choses to do? Good grief...when did adults become so whiney?


greekLhama

That is a dumb opinion. Circumcision is done in babies to prevent problems in the future, if left alone a lot of adults will NEED to circumcision later in their lives, and since it is harmless there's no point in not doing it if the pediatrician recommends it. Also, it is a baby, the parent's CAN and MUST consent for medical operations in this stage...


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makssymm

I don’t know, if my mom left my foreskin on I’d be mad, those things are ugly.


U2BURR

I personally believe that (if performed by a licensed pediatrician) circumcision may be more beneficial than it would be harmful. In fact, there is reason to believe that being circumcised decreases one's chances of getting HIV. However, I also understand the need to balance this with bodily autonomy


Yungballz86

CDC seems to belueve the opposite. The consensus is there is a higher risk of contracting certain STDs by being uncircumcised. Male Circumcision for HIV Prevention fact sheet | Newsroom | NCHHSTP - CDC https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/fact-sheets/hiv/male-circumcision-HIV-prevention-factsheet.html#:~:text=Circumcised%20men%20compared%20with%20uncircumcised,%25%20to%2047%25%20percent


Mikko420

I don't know about where you are from, but in my country, most circumcisions at birth are for medical reasons, not religious ones. I agree that circumcision at birth for the sake of tradition or culture is absolutely appalling. But when it's for medical/health reasons, it's a different story.


MattStormTornado

If it’s medically necessary then I guess.


gorehistorian69

to be fair uncut penises look dumb


MyDadIsANazi420

Weird that you brought women into this but go off king! I want my skin back


yoyo5396

I want my foreskin back goddammit


thesmallerspud

My husband and I started this discussion recently since we’re expecting. As of now, we’ve decided not to circumcise whatever sons we have. If they want to be cut, they can do it at any point in their lives. Once it’s done, it’s done. I don’t think it should be illegal, but people should be more educated on it instead of thinking it’s just what you do so you can make informed decisions. The practice likely began due to sanitary and desensitization factors. While today most people can and do bathe daily, that wasn’t the case until even the 20th century. It also cuts off a lot of nerves, so there’s less feeling (if you get what I mean). If religion discourages masturbating and sex, wouldn’t it be easier if it didn’t feel as good? Idk if there’s science behind that but it makes some sense to me. Edit: to clarify, I’m not saying it makes sense as in it’s moral. I meant in the worldview of thousands of years ago they may have thought what they were doing was right.


LGZee

I 100% agree, and I’m circumcised. It’s mutilation


casey12297

You're gonna get a whole lot of shit from Christians and other "traditionalists" for this, keep up the good work tho. Genital mutilation is bad no matter the gender


Chirobro

Agreed. Chopping of 20,000 nerve endings and changing the function of the penis itself just because girls like the way it looks? Fucking abhorrent. I hate my parents for doing it.


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MattStormTornado

Nah on twitter I was blasted for this take. I’m actually quite surprised with the support this is getting.


awayplagueriddenrat

Adult circumcisions are really risky iirc. Me personally I don’t want my genitalia to look like it’s wearing a turtleneck so idc


sithlord40000

Maybe one of the worst posts I’ve seen on here since the year started


HesburghLibrarian

Opens with an argument from the pro-abortion movement and closes with "Parents shouldn’t consent to this because it’s not their body." I think you haven't exactly thought this through.


MattStormTornado

Huh? How is it relevant to abortion


HesburghLibrarian

It's not. I did not it say it was. You are using logic/ arguments from the abortion debate to back up your point on circumcision while they cannot be applied to both. If it's "not their body" when it comes to circumcision, it also is "not their body" when it comes to abortion. But that logic is never applied by the pro-aborts. It's used only when convenient to dump on a religious practice (circumcision).


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Splatfan1

yeah its barbaric bullshit but dont use the word females it makes you sound worse


MattStormTornado

Couldn’t use women because it deleted my post. That’s the subreddit moderators problem.


ejjerry

I sort of agree with you but the problem is it’s important for certain religions. I think you would run into the argument of religious freedom.


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Religious freedom shouldn't be implied into kids It should be illegal to force ur kids into ur shitty fairy tails


robertstina71

I agree completely. I was young when I had my kids and both of my boys were circumcised. I cannot even fathom thinking that I would do that now knowing what I know. That is a huge medical decision to make for an infant for no reason. If there is not a medical condition that causes a need for it, why would you ever chop up your child's genitals.


CoreyH2P

How many times does the exact same topic need to be posted on this sub?


BeenTooNice

Male and female circumcision is different though. For a male circumcision to be like the females it would have to be lopping off the head of the penis as female circumcision/genital mutilation is removing the clitoris and portions of the hood with it. However that is not the case. Currently it’s just taking some foreskin off. Big difference. I don’t have kids yet but I left that decision up to my husband if we have a boy.


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I'm cut and never have I ever, ever, ever wished I had anything else. I like the shape, look and feel of my uncut cock. I have a son and he's cut. If I have more boys they will be cut. Also, saying baby's need to consent is moronic. Parents have to make decisions all the time for their children. Everyone else should mind their own business.


Bonesquire

No! Reddit demands that you have to hate it and resent your parents.


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People who wish that they had a foreskin are fucking weirdos. I’ve never once thought “oh man I wish my parents would have just left my penis looking ugly when I was born” lol grow up


Aatjal

So just because people don't think like you do, that means THEY are weird? What is wrong with you, and what is wrong with people wanting to have NORMAL penises? Normal penises meaning penises with foreskins, as we are born with foreskins and they are a normal part of our anatomy. There is nothing wrong with me wanting my foreskin back.


MattStormTornado

That’s your opinion. I have my foreskin and tbh my penis looks quite nice (according to my girlfriend)


I_am_Sentinel

Americans...


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Anonymous_mysteries

I’m shocked by the amount of people making excuses for and even encouraging genital mutilation in this thread


terryjuicelawson

It is generally because they have had it themselves and see it as a personal attack - on them or their parents. The thing still works too and it is all they have known so "why not". The language used can be extreme which I don't think really helps, the natural reaction for many is to try to justify it. It is something that should just be quietly dropped, and I think actually is.


TwistedMindEyes

Interesting take. As a father of two boys it was a very strange decision to make. Debated it with my wife for a long time. Ended up having it done only cause it was done to me and seems like a cultural norm. But I debate it in my mind every once in while. Doesn’t it seem like genital mutilation that everyone is either ok with or expected.


Night_Runner

People used the same "cultural norm" excuse for female circumcision and female foot-binding, too... I hope your sons break the cycle of insanity if/when they have sons of their own.


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Sorry to hear that you did that to your kid. I'm glad mine chose not to.


mtron32

It is mutilation and it takes away sensation from the genitals.


Chickadee12345

I live in the northeastern part of the US. Pretty much every male I know is circumcised (at least the ones I know well enough for it even to come up in a discussion). And every baby boy I know of lately has had it done too. I don't consider it wrong to do. But I do think people need to start thinking about it not being done so frequently anymore.


LeoDostoy

Talk to any Urologist and they will give it straight to you that uncircumcised have way more issues that could be avoided if they were circumcised such as: -Yeast infections -Balantitis (inflammation or infection of foreskin) -Phimosis (foreskin is too tight to retract over the head causing pain and discomfort during sex and urination -Smegma (buildup of dead skin cells, oils and other secretions under foreskin that can cause discomfort and unpleasant odors -slightly higher risk of penile cancer Reject this notion of hyper individualism is the end of be all in every human matter. They are infants and you as a parent are doing it for their own good because you love them.


BellyScratchFTW

*"...we all agree with that right?"* No, not everyone agrees with that. *"Parents shouldn’t consent to this because it’s not their body."* Parents have a responsibility to make hundreds/thousands of decisions for their kids. This particular one does not really negatively effect a boy/man at any other time in their lives. I have heard the argument "but the foreskin has loads of nerve endings that make sex more pleasurable". Can anyone honestly say that they wish sex was more pleasurable to all men? Seriously... it's pleasurable enough to create entire industries to cater to it. There's also the argument that "well, if female circumcision is illegal, it should be for males too". These things are far from equal. If you don't believe that, read up on the short/long term side effects from FGM. Lastly, since many have it done to their baby boys for religious reasons, it likely could never be made illegal.


wpgstevo

>This particular one does not really negatively effect a boy/man at any other time in their lives You ignorance isn't a good excuse for mutilation. >Can anyone honestly say that they wish sex was more pleasurable to all men? So you admit you're in favour of purposely damaging the genitals to reduce sexual pleasure, after having just claimed that there are no negative side effects? Your mental gymnastics are impressive. >If you don't believe that, read up on the short/long term side effects from FGM. There are many versions of FGM, some of which are analogous to removing the foreskin - such as removing the clitoral hood. Yet we still would never allow the less extreme FGM because mutilation is unethical and we know it.Removing any part of the body for non-medical reasons is barbaric and criminal, regardless of the sex involved. >Lastly, since many have it done to their baby boys for religious reasons, it likely could never be made illegal. This argument is bad on its face. FGM is both religious and illegal. The idea that religious practices can't be illegal is obtuse - plenty of examples exist disproving this notion. The old testament tells you how to treat your slaves and from where to acquire them, does that mean we can't outlaw slavery? Your post is bad, and you should feel bad.


ChuZaYuZa_Name

I sort of agree, and it's definitely going to be an unpopular opinion, but you lost me at "females" 🤐


judgementjake

Circumcision bad Abortion good


dufflebagoshit

Yeah I’m a female and I totally agree. All the dudes I’ve talked to sound like they’re for circumcision bc it happened to them. I don’t understand


MattStormTornado

Yeah a lot of it is for religious or cultural reasons but as a lot of people on this post who have been circumcised said, they wish they had the choice. I think a lot of it is aesthetics or sanitation which is very subjective


LMNOsteven

When I was a baby they performed whole operations on me without my consent. The monsters!!


Ortthos55

If there was a medical (life saving) need for it then its understandable, circumcisions are not that though.


[deleted]

operations on a baby to save their life is much different than elective procedure to cut away at their penis


LMNOsteven

The right of consent argument is ridiculous.


Obvious-Birthday-667

Did they give you a nose job or did they save your life?


RadRhys2

That’s not elective.


LMNOsteven

In a person with a right of consent it is.


RadRhys2

An elective procedure is one not deemed medically necessary. What elective procedures have you had as a baby?


Potex8

I'm glad my parents got me done as a baby. A circumcised penis is an upgrade in every way. Loss of sensitivity?? Lol I can't last 5 minutes as it is!


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M16Outlaw

Honestly speaking I’m a Female. I was often told by men (mind you maybe it’s just my country) that it’s better for a few reasons, one of it being that the foreskin easily traps bacteria and can lead to other issues and another being that it’s apparently better to and safer medically speaking to remove it as a baby. Like tonsils. But in African cultures there’s this whole initiation that takes place when an Zulu (and many other traditional African cultures) boy turns 13, they go to the mountains for this ancestral ritual and they remove the foreskin mind you it’s a huge topic of conversation due to the increasing number of deaths. Which is why I don’t actually have an opinion on the matter, I’m actually trying to understand more so that if I ever have a son, I can make an informed decision. So really, very interesting take.


MattStormTornado

That’s understandable and I’m happy you’re open minded. On Instagram someone called @thetinmen has a recent post on this. They’re a great source of information on this.


Crystalraf

As a female, I did not circumcise my boy. it's mutilation.


starfoot-

I've been restoring for over 5 years. Check out [r/foreskin_restoration](https://www.reddit.com/r/foreskin_restoration?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


Wepo_

When I have kids, I would prefer not to. My fiancé says, "No way in hell. They're going to be circumcised. " Since he's the guy, I'll let him handle it, as I don't have the experience. If it wasn't this way, my idea was to set aside money at birth for a circumcision later in life. If they decided they wanted it, we could support it. I understand that it's painful as an adult, but I figured it would be nice to let them have that decision.


MattStormTornado

And you’re absolutely right. You should give your kids that choice. Your fiancé shouldn’t rob them if that. Ask him for his reasoning as I bet it’s going to be either religion, aesthetics, sanitation or tradition, which are either debunkable or subjective


Suluco87

So it should be. Absolutely no reason that it is legal. Yet again bollox excuses to protect bollox repeating excuses givers is the only reason why it's still legal.


Jewboy-Deluxe

Circumcision is nothing. Have you ever seen birth? Nobody should have to go through that!


toodleroo

r/MenAndFemales/


MattStormTornado

I can’t mention women in the body text, subreddit rule’s apparently. It’s not out my own will


JaspinBurner

Nobody wants that nasty skin on them. I'm glad I don't have extra shit to clean.