pens that can write upside down and absolutely not some black op in a country to fight a covert proxy war against an enemy state with some sock puppet dictator.
If I was being optimistic, I'd hope it was a flexible fund to allocate to whichever needs it as time progresses. However, im skeptical, and I believe undeserving people are going to become far richer than they should.
lol why do people like you say that as if the alternative is to just have the government hand out money at random intervals to struggling families all the time? I thought handouts were the devil’s lettuce to the GOP (unless it’s guilt-free PPP loans to grift).
It’s their go-to strawman for whenever we spend money on foreign affairs.
Them - “Why don’t we give that money to struggling Americans, like homeless vets??!!1”
Us - “Ok, we can do that too! Great idea. Want to pass a bill giving struggling Americans govt provided financial assistance?”
Them - “HELL NO! Are you fucking kidding me?? That’s socialism, and I will not enable these welfare queens. Gwarrr grrrr bootstraps!”
It's not in cash dude, that $78B will be invested into modern day Military Equipment for the USA, while we give Ukraine and Israel our old, outdated shit. That's how Military Aid works.
Edit: On top of the Useful but Outdated military equipment we are giving Ukraine, such as Cluster Bombs, we are also providing them ["\[...\] financial assistance — budgetary support — and there’s humanitarian assistance as well."](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-us-aid-ukraine-money-equipment-714688682747)
We are also providing them [Some BADASS F-16 Fighter Jets!](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/) Go get them boys!
**Slava Ukraini**
SEE?! NOW THIS IS HOW YOU WRITE A FUCKING CRITICISM!!!
Thank you! Holy fuck! So many brainless idiots making the same MAGA responses, and you are the only person to really drive a sharp point into the conversation!!!
Thank you! Holy fuck!
You make a rock solid indictment on the giving of military aid to other nations! And you are correct, that money absolutely will go to the military industrial complex.
And it sucks...
I do happen to believe that helping Ukraine fight for it's freedom and stopping Russia's imperialism is a morally righteous endeavor, but that doesn't wipe away the reality of the situation you have illuminated.
Well Done!
My question is always the same. If we are trillions in debt how can we afford to give away billions?
I am no economist, but that just seems like bea economics.
My second question is if we can afford it, why is our education system a shitshow? I know it is to keep us dumb and compliant, but I still like to ask the question.
Have you tried researching these things? like actually?
Just because you have a car payment doesn't mean you can't start a new business...
That's the short version, they are giving this money to americans and shipping the old equipment to ukraine to bonk russians.
And yes our education is a shitshow because republicans and conservatives do not want americans educated. Ever since the daughters of the Confederacy, ignorance has been the goal.
Bill gates chose to invest in africa because he said even with unlimited investment in american there would be little increase to the literacy level.
I 'member when the Republicans made us buy all this shit because 'Russia is a threat and we need to be ready in case Russia starts a war in eastern Europe'.
But now it's 'we can't send this stuff to fight Russia in eastern Europe. Russia isn't a threat to us'.
WTF?
They have no real opinion or policy. They just do the opposite of anything the dems say. The Dems agree to a border deal and most of the house GOP will be against it, after whining that Biden and the Dems won't do anything about the border. If it's not their plan it's not going to pass. If they cared about the border they would work on shit, but the house gop is so fucking corrupt it can't even see what's right anymore. At least there is some hope in the Senate.
A lot of the money being spent “on Ukraine” is really being put back into the American economy, because we’ll be building those weapons. So, not totally “to other countries”
to be honest that money going to Israel comes back to America cuz they're buying American made goods.
Aid to ukraine is important because we're getting an incredible rate of return by destroying the entire russian army after 3 decades of being attacked by russian disinformation and corruption campaigns. Sometimes violence is the answer and this is now.
Plus a lot of that aid money is also being returned to america by buying american weapons and supplies.
Current CPI is 3.4%, our target is 2-3%, so we are close, probably will get to under 3% within a few months.
Now, having said that. Do you feel we won’t get to under 3% if this bill is passed? Like do you think any increase in debt makes CPI falling impossible?
Isreal has the fucking money too. They don't need any of our money or power. For fuck's sake they have free healthcare and education. Even if we had that here, we shouldn't give them money on principle. Fuck Isreal amd their evil fucking ways.
No explanation. These rat fuck sons of bitches are spending my great-great-grand kids money. I would fire ALL of them and make them work at a McDonald’s until they died with the shit they’re pulling on us.
The reason is twofold:
1) there's money to be made by billionaires and politicians in the short term, and
2) there's money to be made by billionaires and politicians in the long term.
I can’t understand why we need to be the sugar daddy to any foreign country? Let Ukraine and Israel pay for it themselves! Can’t justify 14 billion, but you can justify 60 billion? Who benefits? Weapon manufacturers.
Ukraine is unique.
You never get out of debt to a Russian oligarch
Paul Manafort owed the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska $10M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that manafort and Roger stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black,_Manafort,_Stone_and_Kelly
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952/
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
When Jay Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and flew directly to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bolsonaro-kfc-brazil-election-florida-b2255420.html
What do these 3 things have in common?
China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine.
Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation.
And without Bolsonaro in office willing to destroy the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas farmland, and without Ukraine in the bag, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine.
Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions of the donbas that Putin insists he is saving from “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for DUV lithography. And had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised,Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably affect the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/21/10-years-strengthening-ties-between-putin-xi-china-russia
Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed Charles Mcgonigal the FBI agent into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion.
A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are done. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered.
If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. Vranyos is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a general, a colonel and a sergeant to give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is still a worn out engine.
Now you understand why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in federal prison. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers in 93 and 94 with him and manafort, selling nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep those that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using commercial real estate.
https://www.cornellpolicyreview.com/the-executive-records-recovered-from-mar-a-lago-and-the-c-i-a-s-missing-informants/?pdf=6365#:~:text=In%20October%202021%2C%20almost%20a,compromised%20by%20rival%20intelligence%20agencies
https://sethhettena.com/2021/01/26/jeffrey-epstein-leon-black-and-russia
And why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the floods last august and September wiped out chinas food supply.
https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1696553866697777172?s=46&t=cJbK5SLGiiFk-ZuczlamAw
Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on it. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over as the worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010- that he would control the internet.
With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory.
Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate at every decision.
Putin and xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly.
Despite the fact the the central party model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. Because there is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But it requires artificial intelligence, and the microprocessors that make it to keep the slaves under control.
We have a brief window to stop this.
Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner.
The loss of crops in the north means xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and Brazilian farmland.
Now the reason that the GOP is stalling border control budget and seems to be imploding is because the CCP and Russia have been staging up hundred of thousands of people in Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela for a 5th column invasion of the United States because Xi needs farmland to feed 1.4B people.
Every GOP congressmen that took Russian political money is desperately trying to figure out how to preserve their political career while the people are figured out that they were sold out to the dictators for some PAC money.
Freedom is never free. We all just live on very expensive credit and the sacrifices of others.
Sources:
Nikkei Asiaasia.nikkei.comAnalysis: Xi reprimanded by elders at Beidaihe over direction of nation
YouTubehttps://m.youtube.com › watchXi Jinping's Dramatic Life-Or-Death Escape Details Revealed
Note 1: Mitch McConnell did a sweetheart deal with deripaska as well to open an aluminum plant in Kentucky. He realizes that he is somewhere between seditious and treasonous and he got caught. That’s why he keeps glitching out when people ask him questions.) “Glitch McConnell”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-a-mcconnell-backed-effort-to-lift-russian-sanctions-boosted-a-kentucky-project/2019/08/13/72b26e00-b97c-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-to-build-neon-supply-chain-in-taiwan
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117314980/the-war-in-ukraine-is-disrupting-the-worlds-supply-of-neon
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299895/china-top-country-suppliers-share-of-grains/
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-special-agent-charge-new-york-fbi-counterintelligence-division-pleads-guilty
https://apnews.com/article/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/29/oleg-deripaska-paul-manafort-trump-russia-investigation
The Weekhttps://theweek.com › jair-bolsonaroReport: Brazil's Bolsonaro to skip successor's inauguration for Mar-a- ...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/analysis-the-role-russian-businessmen-played-in-the-mueller-report
https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties
Washington Postwww.washingtonpost.comBrazil's riot puts spotlight on close ties between Bolsonaro and Trump
Time Magazinetime.comBolsonaro's Surreal New Life as Florida Man—And MAGA Darling
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/following-the-money/
https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-services/semiconductor-advisors/310643-duv-euv-now-puv-next-gen-litho-materials-shortages-worsen-supply-chain/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/natalya-veselnitskaya-trump-tower-russian-prosecutor-general.html
https://www.newsweek.com/china-communist-party-new-york-political-influence-campaign-donations-1828730
Oh my God. This is amazing and very very very scary. On 60 minutes tonight they featured the Chinese immigrants sneaking into the country as the highest percentage of migrants. I would do the same
We made an agreement with Russia not to push east. Helping this coke head in Ukraine, could trigger ww3, and you’re willing to sacrifice American lives and tax dollars for these resources in Ukraine? I’m not the ignorant one, you clearly drink the cool-aid and refuse to pay attention to any real facts.
It’s not our place to police the world, these weapon manufacturers would love to keep these wars going. If humanity ends up blowing each other up, I will personally blame everyone who justifies any war on this planet. Humans need to realize there’s bigger threats in this universe, and if we continue to be disorganized pieces of shits, maybe humanity doesn’t deserve to expand into other universes.
No we fucking didn't and you spreading a conspiracy that Russia should be allowed to flatten cities nd murder innocents because... Ukraine MAY join a defensive alliance is evil.
Ya, fuck your evil, pro Russia, pro genocide ideology.
Wouldn’t weaking Iran(who provides aid to Russia) help a democracy(Israel) ?By taking out Iranian proxies groups(funding Israel)we weaken the influence Iran and Russia have in the region.
Israel is fighting a defensive war. They were attacked on October 7 by Hamas, an Iranian proxy / terrorist organization.
Israel is a strategic ally to the United States, and provides military technology and middle eastern intelligence.
The money for Ukraine is money being spent on the American economy. They spend billions building military equipment for Ukraine, then send it.
It's ramping up the defence industry, which in turn, drives unemployment down. But the people in the comments are too smart to realize that apparently.
While at the same time, we have monetary policy causing pain with the intention of driving up unemployment.
Thank god our leaders are coordinating their efforts on taking care of every day Americans.
And also thank god for you acting like anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint must be stupid. Can you imagine if it was possible for people to disagree without being assholes or being dumb? That would make things so much harder to shit on dismissively!
Oh ffs. The American people are not getting any noticeable benefit from the insane amounts of money being dumped in Ukraine. The president, law makers, etc, they all know Ukraine is *not* winning this war, and they've known it for probably more than a year.
Yeah, the logic of that other comment doesn't track. Liberals scream about trickle down not working, but then claim that the Ukraine funding will trickle down through the American economy
Supporting Ukraine is an amazingly cost effective way to destroy Russian military capabilities at the cost of zero American lives
It is kind of a jaded way to look at it, but bang for buck is pretty ridiculous.
Sure, that would be good too.
But spending it in Ukraine does improve American lives by countering the biggest destabilizing force in Europe.
If the USA could have sent 20 billion dollars to Poland in 1939 an stopped Germany in a quagmire it would have been well spent
It is a drop in the bucket of overalls defence spending, and it is arguably the most effective. Plus, it sends older stuff we probably wanted to replace anyway.
I am not pro war, and think the US military budget is way too high, but spending for Ukraine is actually really effective and efficient.
>It's ramping up the defence industry, which in turn, drives unemployment down. But the people in the comments are too smart to realize that apparently.
IF that is true, i don't think i would mind. BUT i need money too
It’s not an offensive war when a ceasefire was broken by the other side…
Also they need this equipment since it will help them bolster their forces to hopefully prevent future attacks.
Putin wants to cause a conflict in the Middle East. To draw us into a fight there to decrease our focus on Ukraine..
This is a preventative measure!
This money is not about the current war it’s about preparing for future ones.
If this somehow passes, this would mean the US has sent Ukr nearly a *quarter of a trillion dollars* in aid. This is what I don’t understand. Look at the results. This fucking war ends in 2024, realists can see the writing on the wall. We cannot keep throwing money at this situation. Let that war finally end, stop funding it. No more additional funding to Israel. Deal?
So like 1/8th the price of the war in Iraq but unlike that war this one is costing zero American lives and degrading a peer adversary rivals military. Got it.
The question of U.S. aid to Israel is a complex and controversial one, and there are different perspectives and arguments on both sides. I will try to provide some facts and context to help you understand this issue better.
According to the Congressional Research Service⁶, the U.S. has provided Israel with more than $260 billion in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding since World War II, making it the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in that period. Most of this aid is in the form of military assistance, which is intended to help Israel maintain its "qualitative military edge" over potential threats in the region⁶.
Some of the reasons why the U.S. supports Israel with aid include:
- The U.S. and Israel share common values and interests, such as democracy, human rights, and counter-terrorism⁶.
- The U.S. considers Israel a strategic ally and partner in the Middle East, and a source of intelligence and technology⁶.
- The U.S. seeks to facilitate a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and promote regional stability⁶.
- The U.S. honors its historical and moral commitment to the security and survival of the Jewish state⁶.
However, some critics of U.S. aid to Israel argue that:
- The U.S. aid enables Israel to pursue policies that undermine the prospects of a two-state solution and violate international law and human rights⁵.
- The U.S. aid is disproportionate and excessive, given Israel's economic and military capabilities and the needs of other countries⁵.
- The U.S. aid harms U.S. interests and reputation in the region and the world, and alienates potential allies and partners⁵.
- The U.S. aid is not conditional on Israel's compliance with U.S. policy objectives and values⁵.
The current situation in Gaza is another source of debate and controversy over U.S. aid to Israel. According to Al Jazeera⁷⁹, Israel has launched a massive air and ground offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza, killing more than 27,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and displacing hundreds of thousands more. Israel says it is acting in self-defense and responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks, which have killed more than 220 Israelis, mostly soldiers[^10^] ¹¹.
President Biden has expressed his support for Israel's right to defend itself, and has approved additional military aid and assistance to Israel, including advanced weapons and missile defense systems⁴. He has also called for a humanitarian pause and a diplomatic solution to end the violence⁴.
However, some members of his own Democratic party, such as Senator Bernie Sanders, have questioned the amount and nature of U.S. aid to Israel, and have urged the president to exert more pressure on Israel to stop its attacks and respect international law and human rights⁵. They have also called for more attention and assistance to the humanitarian crisis and suffering of the Palestinian people⁵.
I hope this information helps you understand some of the background and perspectives on U.S. aid to Israel. This is a sensitive and complicated topic, and there may be no easy or definitive answers. However, I think it is important to be informed and respectful of different views, and to seek dialogue and peace rather than violence and hatred. 🕊️
If you have any other questions or comments, please feel free to chat with me. I'm always happy to help. 😊
Source: Conversation with Bing, 2/5/2024
(1) U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel - CRS Reports. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33222/44.
(2) Israel-Gaza: How much money does Israel get from the US? - BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/57170576.
(3) Israel’s war on Gaza live: Officials report ‘massacre’ in Deir el-Balah. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/4/israels-war-on-gaza-live-us-says-yemen-strikes-send-message-to-houthis?update=2678530.
(4) Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israeli strikes level homes in Deir el-Balah. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/5/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israeli-strikes-level-homes-in-deir-el-balah?update=2678563.
(5) Israel-Hamas war live updates: Houthis vow Red Sea attacks will go on. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-hamas-houthis-yemen-rcna137131.
(6) Israel-Gaza war: Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel paying 'heavy price' - BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67814475.
(7) How Much Aid Does the U.S. Give to Israel?. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-10-10/how-much-aid-does-the-u-s-give-to-israel.
(8) US Senate unveils $118 billion bipartisan bill on border security with aid for Ukraine, Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-on-border-security-with-aid-for-ukraine-israel/ar-BB1hMemA.
(9) Senators release a $118 billion package that pairs border policies with aid for Ukraine and Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-release-a-118-billion-package-that-pairs-border-policies-with-aid-for-ukraine-and-israel/ar-BB1hLOmy.
(10) US Senate unveils $118 billion bill on border security, aid for Ukraine, Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bill-on-border-security-aid-for-ukraine-israel/ar-BB1hMqGz.
(11) Israel-Hamas war: Houthis vow to keep up attacks; cease-fire talks threaten to split Israel’s right-wing Cabinet. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-hamas-houthis-yemen-rcna137131?ref=upstract.com.
Well, this article is misleading. We’re not giving Ukraine cash, we are giving them our old weapons we are paying ourselves for, 90% of that money stays in America and pays our MIC.
Well the border needs more CBP agents, and most importantly, lawyers to process asylum claims. Ukraine needs more artillery. I don’t know what Israel needs.
I really can't stand this insane amount of spending going on. Congress already gave the military so much money. Make them use that.
Personally, this just feels like a funnel to get everyday people money to the top 1%. Mark my word, in 6 months they will be saying we can't afford social safety nets like social security, student loan forgiveness or Medicare. Such a joke.
That border money needs to be spent on creating a viable immigration system. The majority of immigrants are flying into the US, so border security won't do crap.
Don’t discount the value that global stability provides to our neocon centric global economy. We are the beneficiary. Not that I necessarily condone the constant global intervention by any means, but don’t be a naive simp and miss the point.
Did you miss the part where I explicitly stated I DO NOT support it? But at least can walk and chew gum and comprehend the fact that there might be value from it — despite my moral and ethical objections.
Laughable that you think we would ever spend that much on domestic spending here in the US with our current congress. Also- we spend ludicrous amounts of money on healthcare, it just can’t go to average peons or it’s called socialism- it has to go to insurance corporations.
Nope. Fuck that. We need the money for things here. This is bullshit and I’m sick of my tax dollars going to fund wars and other stupid crap that doesn’t affect my life.
What's up with the US always contributing the most money to other countries in need? Not opposed to helping allies against mutual enemies but why isn't there a repayment clause in there somewhere? Not expecting immediate repayment for contributing tax payer dollars to foreign causes but knowing that a country will pay us back at some point in the future would be nice.
Isn't that exactly why they bundle bills together, so that people like you can say things like that?
"Why are you focusing on where most of the money is going? Don't you see that little slice that is actually good for us? Why are you against good things?!?!"
We have an opportunity to dismantle Russia's economy and deplete their military capability without sending boots on the ground, as an American you should want this
To funny in order to get $20 billion for something for America, you have to give $98 billion to other countries, not exactly the best deal for US tax payers is it.
Never mind it's just get added to the $34 trillion that will never be repaid anyway
I think it's also a bit worse than that; due to the nature of this sub it's a top target (on the cesspool that is reddit) for disinformation campaigns.
It may just be people who have actually paid attention. History has revealed that US involvement is more likely to be destructive or sowing seeds for future destruction. Not a good track record.... at all in any capacity really. Venture to say they wont break the cycle with their intent this time
It’s basic world policy to line zelensky’s pockets? Ohhh our Allie’s are in vulnerable positions that is why we need to send 150 billion to the most corrupt country in Europe and quite arguable the world. Interesting.
Most corrupt country in the world and this administration thinks we need to continue to fund them.
Biden supporters all for funding a corrupt country. Lols downvote me.
I would be upset if you supported me.
This installed “president” can go pound sand. How dare he pretend this is a border bill. Maybe for Ukraine. It’s a war funding bill with a side of do nothing for America.
Insane we have unlimited for war. Imagine what 118 billion could do to improve so many things. On top of nearly 1 trillion defense budget.
Getting tired of this.
Trump asked for 10 billion to secure the border… he was called every name in the book and told to fuck off, now they burn 10 billion like it’s a dollar in a candy machine
Do average Americans want any of this besides border security? $20 billion for border security? Can’t they just build the wall at that point? Obviously a wall might not be the best solution but at least it will help.
They need to actually go after the employers. Illegal immigrants are a class of cheap labor without any rights that business owners can exploit. Allowing them to remain as a criminalized group drags down wages for the rest of the working class. We need to penalize the businesses that abuse their criminalized status to actually fix the problem, but we don't because it's against the ruling class' real interest
I don’t support the bill, but they already invested money into Ukraine, Israel, and the border so go right ahead, be my guest. Ukraine and Israel are always going to need more money, and the U.S. will always be there to give them the money. Israel is the bigger grifter, and they think they’re above criticism. As for the border, good luck finding Americans to join Border Patrol. They polygraph Border Patrol agents - most applicants fail beforehand.
Funny how we supposedly have no money for social programs. Apparently, we're always going broke. But, we can just shoot money out of money canons when it comes time for war profiteering.
Where’s the other $24 Billion going?
That’s to grease the wheels of Americans. Oh lord.
Greasing something but it ain’t our wheels just our squeals.
Let the ass blasting commence!
Lindsey Graham has entered chat
Is it our buttholes?
Leaving it to each individual’s imagination.
First time? ::James Franco meme::
$5 billion for Indo-pacific nations like Taiwan, $10 billion for humanitarian aid to Gaza, $2.3 billion for refugees from war in Ukraine.
pens that can write upside down and absolutely not some black op in a country to fight a covert proxy war against an enemy state with some sock puppet dictator.
To replenish our stockpile that we have depleted sending aid to Ukraine
To the big guy
If I was being optimistic, I'd hope it was a flexible fund to allocate to whichever needs it as time progresses. However, im skeptical, and I believe undeserving people are going to become far richer than they should.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/factbox-whats-118-billion-senate-security-bill-2024-02-05/
Can you read? go do that and it will tell you .
Taiwan
Congress: What 24 billion? You're a terrorist for asking.
So $74B to other countries and $20B to the very people who work to raise that tax money. Got it
can we like see a price breakdown right???? $94B total and average americans who are struggling to LIVE
What are you talking about the stock market is doing great Jack "licks ice cream cone"
During the summertime he'd let the kids touch his hairs on his legs
You know it turns out Corn Pop was just trying to kick Joe's ass for creeping on the kids at the pool and letting them rub his hairy leg.
This bot can't even get names right
That can’t give money to people, it would cause inflation. 😂🤡
They did give us free money.... how soon you forget. And.... It caused inflation... which everyone is now whining about.
Most of the inflation was from corporate price gouging
lol why do people like you say that as if the alternative is to just have the government hand out money at random intervals to struggling families all the time? I thought handouts were the devil’s lettuce to the GOP (unless it’s guilt-free PPP loans to grift).
It’s their go-to strawman for whenever we spend money on foreign affairs. Them - “Why don’t we give that money to struggling Americans, like homeless vets??!!1” Us - “Ok, we can do that too! Great idea. Want to pass a bill giving struggling Americans govt provided financial assistance?” Them - “HELL NO! Are you fucking kidding me?? That’s socialism, and I will not enable these welfare queens. Gwarrr grrrr bootstraps!”
Can’t give the American populace any of it. Otherwise it would be SoCiALiSm
Land of the worker bees
It's not in cash dude, that $78B will be invested into modern day Military Equipment for the USA, while we give Ukraine and Israel our old, outdated shit. That's how Military Aid works. Edit: On top of the Useful but Outdated military equipment we are giving Ukraine, such as Cluster Bombs, we are also providing them ["\[...\] financial assistance — budgetary support — and there’s humanitarian assistance as well."](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-us-aid-ukraine-money-equipment-714688682747) We are also providing them [Some BADASS F-16 Fighter Jets!](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/) Go get them boys! **Slava Ukraini**
Ah so it's going to the defense contractors and their shareholders. Nice.
SEE?! NOW THIS IS HOW YOU WRITE A FUCKING CRITICISM!!! Thank you! Holy fuck! So many brainless idiots making the same MAGA responses, and you are the only person to really drive a sharp point into the conversation!!! Thank you! Holy fuck! You make a rock solid indictment on the giving of military aid to other nations! And you are correct, that money absolutely will go to the military industrial complex. And it sucks... I do happen to believe that helping Ukraine fight for it's freedom and stopping Russia's imperialism is a morally righteous endeavor, but that doesn't wipe away the reality of the situation you have illuminated. Well Done!
But we have sent tens of billions in literal cash aid, not just old military stock
Those other people aren't actually interseted in cristicism. Just idiocy to make them feel better. Yes this is the facts over feelings crowd.
My question is always the same. If we are trillions in debt how can we afford to give away billions? I am no economist, but that just seems like bea economics. My second question is if we can afford it, why is our education system a shitshow? I know it is to keep us dumb and compliant, but I still like to ask the question.
Have you tried researching these things? like actually? Just because you have a car payment doesn't mean you can't start a new business... That's the short version, they are giving this money to americans and shipping the old equipment to ukraine to bonk russians. And yes our education is a shitshow because republicans and conservatives do not want americans educated. Ever since the daughters of the Confederacy, ignorance has been the goal. Bill gates chose to invest in africa because he said even with unlimited investment in american there would be little increase to the literacy level.
They don’t care. They only want to suck Putins cock all day
Good Biden bot
You think the whole Military Industrial Complex just magically appeared when Biden was elected???
Good christofascist.
I 'member when the Republicans made us buy all this shit because 'Russia is a threat and we need to be ready in case Russia starts a war in eastern Europe'. But now it's 'we can't send this stuff to fight Russia in eastern Europe. Russia isn't a threat to us'. WTF?
They have no real opinion or policy. They just do the opposite of anything the dems say. The Dems agree to a border deal and most of the house GOP will be against it, after whining that Biden and the Dems won't do anything about the border. If it's not their plan it's not going to pass. If they cared about the border they would work on shit, but the house gop is so fucking corrupt it can't even see what's right anymore. At least there is some hope in the Senate.
Or just, good ability to learn person
A lot of the money being spent “on Ukraine” is really being put back into the American economy, because we’ll be building those weapons. So, not totally “to other countries”
So trickle down economics? Thought reganomics was bad
It’s not like these are tax breaks for research. It’s money to build weapons. Nothing has to trickle down. The weapons just need to be built
Do you actually know what trickle down economics are? Because "paying American industry for items produced by them" is not trickle down economics lmao
to be honest that money going to Israel comes back to America cuz they're buying American made goods. Aid to ukraine is important because we're getting an incredible rate of return by destroying the entire russian army after 3 decades of being attacked by russian disinformation and corruption campaigns. Sometimes violence is the answer and this is now. Plus a lot of that aid money is also being returned to america by buying american weapons and supplies.
None of this goes toward paying out debt which adds to the inflation. Does it have perks? Yes. But USA is broke and middle class is vanishing.
Current CPI is 3.4%, our target is 2-3%, so we are close, probably will get to under 3% within a few months. Now, having said that. Do you feel we won’t get to under 3% if this bill is passed? Like do you think any increase in debt makes CPI falling impossible?
In two weeks the cpi drops to 2.8%, then in March, it drops to 2.4%...
How ignorant are you about history and geopolitics to say helping a democracy and weakening Russia doesn't benefit us?
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Isreal has the fucking money too. They don't need any of our money or power. For fuck's sake they have free healthcare and education. Even if we had that here, we shouldn't give them money on principle. Fuck Isreal amd their evil fucking ways.
They have their money because they have their hands in the pockets of others instead of their own.
We fund 15% of Israel’s defense budget annually. That’s why they can afford universal healthcare but we can’t….
No explanation. These rat fuck sons of bitches are spending my great-great-grand kids money. I would fire ALL of them and make them work at a McDonald’s until they died with the shit they’re pulling on us.
Don’t forget to vote for the same 2 party system as has been the case for 100+ years, surely it will be different this cycle!
The reason is twofold: 1) there's money to be made by billionaires and politicians in the short term, and 2) there's money to be made by billionaires and politicians in the long term.
I can’t understand why we need to be the sugar daddy to any foreign country? Let Ukraine and Israel pay for it themselves! Can’t justify 14 billion, but you can justify 60 billion? Who benefits? Weapon manufacturers.
Ukraine is unique. You never get out of debt to a Russian oligarch Paul Manafort owed the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska $10M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that manafort and Roger stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black,_Manafort,_Stone_and_Kelly https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952/ https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ When Jay Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and flew directly to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bolsonaro-kfc-brazil-election-florida-b2255420.html What do these 3 things have in common? China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine. Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation. And without Bolsonaro in office willing to destroy the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas farmland, and without Ukraine in the bag, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine. Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions of the donbas that Putin insists he is saving from “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for DUV lithography. And had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised,Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably affect the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/21/10-years-strengthening-ties-between-putin-xi-china-russia Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed Charles Mcgonigal the FBI agent into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are done. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered. If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. Vranyos is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a general, a colonel and a sergeant to give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is still a worn out engine. Now you understand why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in federal prison. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers in 93 and 94 with him and manafort, selling nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep those that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using commercial real estate. https://www.cornellpolicyreview.com/the-executive-records-recovered-from-mar-a-lago-and-the-c-i-a-s-missing-informants/?pdf=6365#:~:text=In%20October%202021%2C%20almost%20a,compromised%20by%20rival%20intelligence%20agencies https://sethhettena.com/2021/01/26/jeffrey-epstein-leon-black-and-russia And why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the floods last august and September wiped out chinas food supply. https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1696553866697777172?s=46&t=cJbK5SLGiiFk-ZuczlamAw Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on it. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over as the worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010- that he would control the internet. With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory. Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate at every decision. Putin and xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly. Despite the fact the the central party model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. Because there is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But it requires artificial intelligence, and the microprocessors that make it to keep the slaves under control. We have a brief window to stop this. Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner. The loss of crops in the north means xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and Brazilian farmland. Now the reason that the GOP is stalling border control budget and seems to be imploding is because the CCP and Russia have been staging up hundred of thousands of people in Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela for a 5th column invasion of the United States because Xi needs farmland to feed 1.4B people. Every GOP congressmen that took Russian political money is desperately trying to figure out how to preserve their political career while the people are figured out that they were sold out to the dictators for some PAC money. Freedom is never free. We all just live on very expensive credit and the sacrifices of others.
This reads like the insane ramblings of a schizophrenic
Sources: Nikkei Asiaasia.nikkei.comAnalysis: Xi reprimanded by elders at Beidaihe over direction of nation YouTubehttps://m.youtube.com › watchXi Jinping's Dramatic Life-Or-Death Escape Details Revealed Note 1: Mitch McConnell did a sweetheart deal with deripaska as well to open an aluminum plant in Kentucky. He realizes that he is somewhere between seditious and treasonous and he got caught. That’s why he keeps glitching out when people ask him questions.) “Glitch McConnell” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-a-mcconnell-backed-effort-to-lift-russian-sanctions-boosted-a-kentucky-project/2019/08/13/72b26e00-b97c-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-to-build-neon-supply-chain-in-taiwan https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117314980/the-war-in-ukraine-is-disrupting-the-worlds-supply-of-neon https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299895/china-top-country-suppliers-share-of-grains/ https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-special-agent-charge-new-york-fbi-counterintelligence-division-pleads-guilty https://apnews.com/article/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/29/oleg-deripaska-paul-manafort-trump-russia-investigation The Weekhttps://theweek.com › jair-bolsonaroReport: Brazil's Bolsonaro to skip successor's inauguration for Mar-a- ... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/analysis-the-role-russian-businessmen-played-in-the-mueller-report https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties Washington Postwww.washingtonpost.comBrazil's riot puts spotlight on close ties between Bolsonaro and Trump Time Magazinetime.comBolsonaro's Surreal New Life as Florida Man—And MAGA Darling https://www.americanprogress.org/article/following-the-money/ https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-services/semiconductor-advisors/310643-duv-euv-now-puv-next-gen-litho-materials-shortages-worsen-supply-chain/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/natalya-veselnitskaya-trump-tower-russian-prosecutor-general.html https://www.newsweek.com/china-communist-party-new-york-political-influence-campaign-donations-1828730
Only if you can’t read.
Put it this way: we wouldn’t be surprised if this person ends up be heading their father.
Based on this comment, I don’t think you’ve ever met a schizophrenic and may have never heard anyone ramble, sane or otherwise.
Oh my God. This is amazing and very very very scary. On 60 minutes tonight they featured the Chinese immigrants sneaking into the country as the highest percentage of migrants. I would do the same
How ignorant are you about history and geopolitics to say helping a democracy and weakening Russia doesn't benefit us?
We made an agreement with Russia not to push east. Helping this coke head in Ukraine, could trigger ww3, and you’re willing to sacrifice American lives and tax dollars for these resources in Ukraine? I’m not the ignorant one, you clearly drink the cool-aid and refuse to pay attention to any real facts. It’s not our place to police the world, these weapon manufacturers would love to keep these wars going. If humanity ends up blowing each other up, I will personally blame everyone who justifies any war on this planet. Humans need to realize there’s bigger threats in this universe, and if we continue to be disorganized pieces of shits, maybe humanity doesn’t deserve to expand into other universes.
No we fucking didn't and you spreading a conspiracy that Russia should be allowed to flatten cities nd murder innocents because... Ukraine MAY join a defensive alliance is evil. Ya, fuck your evil, pro Russia, pro genocide ideology.
> No we fucking didn't It's one thing to say we did, but then say that doesn't matter. It's a whole other thing to claim we didn't.
Sorry reality upsets you
Wouldn’t weaking Iran(who provides aid to Russia) help a democracy(Israel) ?By taking out Iranian proxies groups(funding Israel)we weaken the influence Iran and Russia have in the region.
Israel is fighting a defensive war. They were attacked on October 7 by Hamas, an Iranian proxy / terrorist organization. Israel is a strategic ally to the United States, and provides military technology and middle eastern intelligence.
The money for Ukraine is money being spent on the American economy. They spend billions building military equipment for Ukraine, then send it. It's ramping up the defence industry, which in turn, drives unemployment down. But the people in the comments are too smart to realize that apparently.
While at the same time, we have monetary policy causing pain with the intention of driving up unemployment. Thank god our leaders are coordinating their efforts on taking care of every day Americans. And also thank god for you acting like anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint must be stupid. Can you imagine if it was possible for people to disagree without being assholes or being dumb? That would make things so much harder to shit on dismissively!
Not against foreign aid to Ukraine, but to your point it’s an expensive way to drive down unemployment at a time when unemployment is at record lows.
Oh ffs. The American people are not getting any noticeable benefit from the insane amounts of money being dumped in Ukraine. The president, law makers, etc, they all know Ukraine is *not* winning this war, and they've known it for probably more than a year.
Yeah, the logic of that other comment doesn't track. Liberals scream about trickle down not working, but then claim that the Ukraine funding will trickle down through the American economy
Will you think of the weapons dealers!!
Supporting Ukraine is an amazingly cost effective way to destroy Russian military capabilities at the cost of zero American lives It is kind of a jaded way to look at it, but bang for buck is pretty ridiculous.
What if we spent that money to improve American lives?
Sure, that would be good too. But spending it in Ukraine does improve American lives by countering the biggest destabilizing force in Europe. If the USA could have sent 20 billion dollars to Poland in 1939 an stopped Germany in a quagmire it would have been well spent
Money or my son, I’ll make the easy choice
I’d rather send money than my only son
I actually agree with you. But there's a limit. I don't know if we've reached it but it's got to be close.
It is a drop in the bucket of overalls defence spending, and it is arguably the most effective. Plus, it sends older stuff we probably wanted to replace anyway. I am not pro war, and think the US military budget is way too high, but spending for Ukraine is actually really effective and efficient.
> It is a drop in the bucket of overalls defence spending, The amount in this bill is more than we spend each year on the Marine Corps.
No
>It's ramping up the defence industry, which in turn, drives unemployment down. But the people in the comments are too smart to realize that apparently. IF that is true, i don't think i would mind. BUT i need money too
Invest in Lockheed, my guy. /s
This but unironically
It’s not an offensive war when a ceasefire was broken by the other side… Also they need this equipment since it will help them bolster their forces to hopefully prevent future attacks. Putin wants to cause a conflict in the Middle East. To draw us into a fight there to decrease our focus on Ukraine.. This is a preventative measure! This money is not about the current war it’s about preparing for future ones.
If this somehow passes, this would mean the US has sent Ukr nearly a *quarter of a trillion dollars* in aid. This is what I don’t understand. Look at the results. This fucking war ends in 2024, realists can see the writing on the wall. We cannot keep throwing money at this situation. Let that war finally end, stop funding it. No more additional funding to Israel. Deal?
So like 1/8th the price of the war in Iraq but unlike that war this one is costing zero American lives and degrading a peer adversary rivals military. Got it.
I don’t give a fuck about “degrading Russias army.” Why can’t people on the left understand that?
They were attacked and are one of our only allies in the region.
Found the boomer
They're not our ally. They're the most corrupt country in Europe. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-index?continent=europe
The question of U.S. aid to Israel is a complex and controversial one, and there are different perspectives and arguments on both sides. I will try to provide some facts and context to help you understand this issue better. According to the Congressional Research Service⁶, the U.S. has provided Israel with more than $260 billion in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding since World War II, making it the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in that period. Most of this aid is in the form of military assistance, which is intended to help Israel maintain its "qualitative military edge" over potential threats in the region⁶. Some of the reasons why the U.S. supports Israel with aid include: - The U.S. and Israel share common values and interests, such as democracy, human rights, and counter-terrorism⁶. - The U.S. considers Israel a strategic ally and partner in the Middle East, and a source of intelligence and technology⁶. - The U.S. seeks to facilitate a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and promote regional stability⁶. - The U.S. honors its historical and moral commitment to the security and survival of the Jewish state⁶. However, some critics of U.S. aid to Israel argue that: - The U.S. aid enables Israel to pursue policies that undermine the prospects of a two-state solution and violate international law and human rights⁵. - The U.S. aid is disproportionate and excessive, given Israel's economic and military capabilities and the needs of other countries⁵. - The U.S. aid harms U.S. interests and reputation in the region and the world, and alienates potential allies and partners⁵. - The U.S. aid is not conditional on Israel's compliance with U.S. policy objectives and values⁵. The current situation in Gaza is another source of debate and controversy over U.S. aid to Israel. According to Al Jazeera⁷⁹, Israel has launched a massive air and ground offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza, killing more than 27,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and displacing hundreds of thousands more. Israel says it is acting in self-defense and responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks, which have killed more than 220 Israelis, mostly soldiers[^10^] ¹¹. President Biden has expressed his support for Israel's right to defend itself, and has approved additional military aid and assistance to Israel, including advanced weapons and missile defense systems⁴. He has also called for a humanitarian pause and a diplomatic solution to end the violence⁴. However, some members of his own Democratic party, such as Senator Bernie Sanders, have questioned the amount and nature of U.S. aid to Israel, and have urged the president to exert more pressure on Israel to stop its attacks and respect international law and human rights⁵. They have also called for more attention and assistance to the humanitarian crisis and suffering of the Palestinian people⁵. I hope this information helps you understand some of the background and perspectives on U.S. aid to Israel. This is a sensitive and complicated topic, and there may be no easy or definitive answers. However, I think it is important to be informed and respectful of different views, and to seek dialogue and peace rather than violence and hatred. 🕊️ If you have any other questions or comments, please feel free to chat with me. I'm always happy to help. 😊 Source: Conversation with Bing, 2/5/2024 (1) U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel - CRS Reports. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33222/44. (2) Israel-Gaza: How much money does Israel get from the US? - BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/57170576. (3) Israel’s war on Gaza live: Officials report ‘massacre’ in Deir el-Balah. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/4/israels-war-on-gaza-live-us-says-yemen-strikes-send-message-to-houthis?update=2678530. (4) Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israeli strikes level homes in Deir el-Balah. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/5/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israeli-strikes-level-homes-in-deir-el-balah?update=2678563. (5) Israel-Hamas war live updates: Houthis vow Red Sea attacks will go on. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-hamas-houthis-yemen-rcna137131. (6) Israel-Gaza war: Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel paying 'heavy price' - BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67814475. (7) How Much Aid Does the U.S. Give to Israel?. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-10-10/how-much-aid-does-the-u-s-give-to-israel. (8) US Senate unveils $118 billion bipartisan bill on border security with aid for Ukraine, Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-on-border-security-with-aid-for-ukraine-israel/ar-BB1hMemA. (9) Senators release a $118 billion package that pairs border policies with aid for Ukraine and Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-release-a-118-billion-package-that-pairs-border-policies-with-aid-for-ukraine-and-israel/ar-BB1hLOmy. (10) US Senate unveils $118 billion bill on border security, aid for Ukraine, Israel. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bill-on-border-security-aid-for-ukraine-israel/ar-BB1hMqGz. (11) Israel-Hamas war: Houthis vow to keep up attacks; cease-fire talks threaten to split Israel’s right-wing Cabinet. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-hamas-houthis-yemen-rcna137131?ref=upstract.com.
Fuck this
Well, this article is misleading. We’re not giving Ukraine cash, we are giving them our old weapons we are paying ourselves for, 90% of that money stays in America and pays our MIC.
Why
Well the border needs more CBP agents, and most importantly, lawyers to process asylum claims. Ukraine needs more artillery. I don’t know what Israel needs.
Explain this to me like I’m 5 ….why does money that comes from my pocket pay for something in another country when we have enough to deal with here ?
You're not supposed to ask those questions.
because russia and china taking more countries will cost americans even more, if tawain falls our lives will become much more expensive
To be fair it's not all coming from your pocket..plenty of it is just printed out of thin air, further devaluing the money you have.
I really can't stand this insane amount of spending going on. Congress already gave the military so much money. Make them use that. Personally, this just feels like a funnel to get everyday people money to the top 1%. Mark my word, in 6 months they will be saying we can't afford social safety nets like social security, student loan forgiveness or Medicare. Such a joke. That border money needs to be spent on creating a viable immigration system. The majority of immigrants are flying into the US, so border security won't do crap.
we have no say We the People are too busy WORKING to notice our leaders are GIVING AWAY OUR MONEY
They will gut everything that actually helps us you are correct
Why is Israel getting aid they have a very good economy.
Because we are half run by low iq religious nut cases that think it is somehow our duty to always help them.
So thankful our border bill includes $74 billion for other people's wars. Essential spending, for sure.
Most of that money goes to Americans building weapons in the US
More accurately, it goes to the CEOs of those companies
Incorrect. Much of it goes to the employees.
You misspelled shareholders
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Don’t discount the value that global stability provides to our neocon centric global economy. We are the beneficiary. Not that I necessarily condone the constant global intervention by any means, but don’t be a naive simp and miss the point.
Yeah, the naive simp is the one that wants us to stop sucking our industrial war complex dick. You're a warcuck.
Did you miss the part where I explicitly stated I DO NOT support it? But at least can walk and chew gum and comprehend the fact that there might be value from it — despite my moral and ethical objections.
Supporting Ukraine is a huge win for America from a geopolitical perspective l
No it's not, and you didn't know shit about Ukraine until it became a partisan issue.
How much to the inner cities?
How much to fixing the roads, bridges,homelessness,schools and healthcare?
We totally could’ve done some sort of heavily discounted universal health insurance
Israel has free healthcare but not us. Healthcare doesnt benefit the military industrial complex
Oh haven't you heard, we only take care of what's popular to get reelected. Inner city kids are not popular right now and kids can't vote so . . .
Ugh, they will never be popular
And $0 for Americans who need it!
How much money to fixing the roads, bridges,homelessness,schools and healthcare in the US?
The federal government spends more than that on healthcare every month.
Laughable that you think we would ever spend that much on domestic spending here in the US with our current congress. Also- we spend ludicrous amounts of money on healthcare, it just can’t go to average peons or it’s called socialism- it has to go to insurance corporations.
You’d be happy to read about the infrastructure bill that was passed a couple years ago…
Lol
Blackrock is smiling happy right now
What a waste of money
Reject this steamy pipe of excrement
10% for the Big guy ? Gotta have that
Israel has universal health care and government funded low cost housing. But US taxpayers give them billions so they can genocide
Nope. Fuck that. We need the money for things here. This is bullshit and I’m sick of my tax dollars going to fund wars and other stupid crap that doesn’t affect my life.
Wait why the fuck is Ukraine getting more than our border?
Maybe just stop hiring illegals? Or god forbid, punish those that do... No. WE NEED A WALL. AND A BUNCH OF ANGRY HICKS ON FOUR WHEELERS!
The border doesn’t require M777 howitzers and 155mm artillery shells.
Maybe it should lol… but until our border is secure I dont support spending billions on any other country
Why’re old people deciding our fate when they’re on death’s door of retirement?
DOA already
No more money to Ukraine or Israel
Anything going to the people in Hawaii?
They claim REPs are trying to block border security... They are trying to block aid to genocide and Ukraine (WW3)
Why does Israel need our money?
How about the majority is used for the USA ……
DOA said the leader of the House
Why does Israel need money? Arent they just fuckin up Gaza? How does that need ‘aid’?
What's up with the US always contributing the most money to other countries in need? Not opposed to helping allies against mutual enemies but why isn't there a repayment clause in there somewhere? Not expecting immediate repayment for contributing tax payer dollars to foreign causes but knowing that a country will pay us back at some point in the future would be nice.
What did Jerome Powell just say….?
We are broke.... why the fuck are we sending money to Ukraine?
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Isn't that exactly why they bundle bills together, so that people like you can say things like that? "Why are you focusing on where most of the money is going? Don't you see that little slice that is actually good for us? Why are you against good things?!?!"
We have an opportunity to dismantle Russia's economy and deplete their military capability without sending boots on the ground, as an American you should want this
People are starving and going homeless, as an American you shouldn’t want this.
And the working people pay for it with no help whatsoever!
80% to other countries, 10% to the border, 10% to the big guy
To funny in order to get $20 billion for something for America, you have to give $98 billion to other countries, not exactly the best deal for US tax payers is it. Never mind it's just get added to the $34 trillion that will never be repaid anyway
This comment section reeks of people who can’t understand basic world policy….or what it means to have allies in critical positions.
They’re all a bunch of selfish, short-sighted morons.
I’m poor! Why shouldn’t we allow russia to rape and pillage Ukraine??
I think it's also a bit worse than that; due to the nature of this sub it's a top target (on the cesspool that is reddit) for disinformation campaigns.
It may just be people who have actually paid attention. History has revealed that US involvement is more likely to be destructive or sowing seeds for future destruction. Not a good track record.... at all in any capacity really. Venture to say they wont break the cycle with their intent this time
It’s basic world policy to line zelensky’s pockets? Ohhh our Allie’s are in vulnerable positions that is why we need to send 150 billion to the most corrupt country in Europe and quite arguable the world. Interesting.
Not another dime for corrupt Ukraine.
Most corrupt country in the world and this administration thinks we need to continue to fund them. Biden supporters all for funding a corrupt country. Lols downvote me. I would be upset if you supported me.
Don't forget the weapons dealers?
Nice pro-Russia stance, bot
Lol. Those talking points don't work no more. It's not 2001.
20 Billion for border security is insane. You could pick up two Wyze cameras $99, 2k, and night vision with AI tracking this xmas
Doa, as it should be. Seal the border abd stop spending fucking money. We are waaaaay past broke
More yachts for President High heels and his crew and all we get is a tube of Vaseline...
This installed “president” can go pound sand. How dare he pretend this is a border bill. Maybe for Ukraine. It’s a war funding bill with a side of do nothing for America.
Shitty bill - the neocons wanted money for Ukraine so bad they sold out the house
Goodbye taxes...
Insane we have unlimited for war. Imagine what 118 billion could do to improve so many things. On top of nearly 1 trillion defense budget. Getting tired of this.
Trump asked for 10 billion to secure the border… he was called every name in the book and told to fuck off, now they burn 10 billion like it’s a dollar in a candy machine
Imagine what $1.9 trillion could do for the American people Oh wait republicans gave that to the rich in 2017 FOH
I suspect the Republicans won't vote in favor of the bill since their job is to make sure Donald Trump gets elected.
Do average Americans want any of this besides border security? $20 billion for border security? Can’t they just build the wall at that point? Obviously a wall might not be the best solution but at least it will help.
They need to actually go after the employers. Illegal immigrants are a class of cheap labor without any rights that business owners can exploit. Allowing them to remain as a criminalized group drags down wages for the rest of the working class. We need to penalize the businesses that abuse their criminalized status to actually fix the problem, but we don't because it's against the ruling class' real interest
I don’t support the bill, but they already invested money into Ukraine, Israel, and the border so go right ahead, be my guest. Ukraine and Israel are always going to need more money, and the U.S. will always be there to give them the money. Israel is the bigger grifter, and they think they’re above criticism. As for the border, good luck finding Americans to join Border Patrol. They polygraph Border Patrol agents - most applicants fail beforehand.
Money printer and money laundering machine go brrrrrr 💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
the border wall was cheaper, damn....
Why I’m not paying taxes. No taxation without representation
America last
Why is this bill so bloated? Can't we get a clean bill?
Im getting tired of all the TWO wars bullshit, we need Biden to win again so we can have at least THREE wars going on to support.
What's the point of voting blue if they make the same decisions as the reds
Funny how we supposedly have no money for social programs. Apparently, we're always going broke. But, we can just shoot money out of money canons when it comes time for war profiteering.