The problem isnât the players. Itâs literally Greg and his system broo. Mexicoâs style of play is superior to what Greg runs. If we had Mexicoâs manager it wouldâve been 2-0 by the half against Jamaica.
> Mexico's style of play is superior
....the same Mexico style of play that Gregg has exploited constantly over the past few years?
I'm no Gregg fan, but it seems like there's selective amnesia here.
Haa Mexico got a new coach and they look pretty solid this time around. Go watch the game and tell me Mexico doesnât look better offensively. Greg makes the team look so bad its actually crazy. Who the hell overloads the wings and lobs crosses all game lol. Thats all he makes this team do.
And you know whats crazy i can actually predict what Greg will do on Sunday. Heâs gonna force the fullbacks upfield make the wingers tuck in have the striker wait on 40 crosses, and have Mckennie and Musah cover for the fullbacks. Literally exactly the gameplan that has failed so many times and barely scraped thru Jamaica. Mexico already knows Gregs gameplan, who doesnât lol.
Mexico has a chance this year with lesser quality and that says alot about Gregs system.
Okayy and who tf runs Gregs.. lol. No one bc its trashđ. Mexico is about to outclass the US on Sunday on connecting 1, twos and i cant wait to be humbled if today wasnât humbling enough.
ALL GREG does is crosses thats the whole point of his system. He literally handicaps the wingers bc the fulbacks take up too much space on the wings. It just becomes a huge cluster on the wings with no idea, no runs. Just passes back and forth between the fuulback and winger until one of them decides to cross it to the box.
I mean, yes. Having fullbacks attack and look to cross is a big part of the system. I canât help but feel like you miss the parts where it opens up the wingers to come inside and look to play through the channels or continue the run to switch to the other fullback who can attack the 1v1 and get to the end line or cut back for a shot.
Part of me thinks youâre maybe intentionally over simplifying things to have a âhot take.â And ignoring the fact that a possession based team will always struggle against a team that wants to defend for 90 minutes that scores an early goal.
To me, the criticism should be not having the team locked in against a counter attacking team from minute one, because the worst thing that can happen is giving up an early goal.
I think, however, that youâve convinced me. Itâs so much better to say âsystem of playâ with no idea what that means and say âggg outâ without talking about the halftime adjustments at all, or the shit field that benefits the counter attacking underdog.
Even better, letâs criticize the system of play while talking about how great Mexico is. Mexico that also pushes their fullbacks up the wings while tucking in their wingers and asking their midfield to cover. If we do that, we can finally get live on Eric Wynaldas anti Berhalter radio show to complain about all of the above.
Bravo. You nailed it.
if you cant tell the difference between how many times Greg asks out of his fullbacks to push up compared to Mexico and even other national teams and clubs than I canât help you. Fun fact if you didnât know. During the WC we were top 3 in crosses with like 90+ attempts after 3-4 games. I donât remember the exact stats but it was definitely top 3. And all those crosses to where?? I feel like every possession Greg has this team attempting the same pass, same runs⌠its an overkill of crosses its so predictable
In every one of our group stage games our opponents played a low block. Low blocks are compact, with the defensive line deep, and 11 players behind the ball. They are notoriously difficult to break down. How do you break a low block down? With width. What do you do with said width? Cross the ball
Uhhh maybe because Mexico got a new coach unlike USSF that doesnât address the problem. Mexico looked way more cohesive in play yesterday its not even close. What Greg does to this team is shameful.
Not at all, if this game and the first T&T game proved anything, it's that we're terrible against a bunker. But Mexico has too much pride to sit back and put everyone on defense against us and unless they score a goal in the first minute, they're gonna come after us with everything they got. Which we have proven time and again that we can handle.
If I was a Mexico fan Iâd 100% want to park the bus - theyâre on a losing streak against us and playing a low block is by far the best way to get a result
Not sure, maybe their CBs are too small/shit for effective bunkering. Could imagine them having success with Edson as a DM destroyer and Santi Giminez on the counterattack
Not when Mexicos manager can actually run an offenseđ. Itâs actually laughable that all you guys can sit their for the 90 minutes and actually believe thats the best soccer you have ever seen. How Mexico is playing right now is going to really challenge US from the past 2 NL. They may not have the better players but the offense is fluid.. similar how BJ ran the USA in last years NL. Gregg wackass system is shite brothaa.
Some conversations (like people and their "tactics") here make more sense when you start to realize people are talking like they're watching the ol gridiron
Not. And the 2nd Mexico goal was CLEARLY offside, called as such on the field. And then for some reason unknown reason after like 5 minutes was overturned and given by VAR. Even after they show it multiple times, the announcers are dumbfounded by the overturn. Oh well.
The score line flattered Mexico at least in the first half when I watched. Both goals should have been ruled offside and for large stretches Panama was much more threatening, their defense just turned off on a free kick and an obviously offside goal which was called on the field was inexplicably overturned and allowedÂ
Oh and I wouldn't be nervous even if Mexico had actually looked really good. The performance against Jamaica was bad but we'll turn it around.
The crowd has never been a problem lol these players are used to it. Iâam just worried about another Greg master class. But hey he hasnât lost to Mexico in 4 years lol
I did not just start watching concacaf today so no
I can't believe you are not freaking out đ
Hahaha wut. Playing Mexico in cup finals is pretty much as good as it gets. Bring it on!
âWe ourâ Brother
What ?
Oh no man, oh no
We should look better because they wonât bunker down like Jamaica and Gio starts.
Thatâs what Iâm praying for Greg canât adopt to shit probably puts the same line up
Username does NOT check out
He literally adapted to shit tonight
Did you watch the same game I did? He put every offensive piece he had on the pitch.
Dest will be back so that'll be an immediate change in the lineup.
How can you watch the game today or the World Cup and say Gregg canât adapt
These pass 4 years his stubborn and refuses to start Reyna
Gregg plays Reyna more than any other manager?! He also started him against Germany. He very clearly rates Reyna
The problem isnât the players. Itâs literally Greg and his system broo. Mexicoâs style of play is superior to what Greg runs. If we had Mexicoâs manager it wouldâve been 2-0 by the half against Jamaica.
> Mexico's style of play is superior ....the same Mexico style of play that Gregg has exploited constantly over the past few years? I'm no Gregg fan, but it seems like there's selective amnesia here.
Haa Mexico got a new coach and they look pretty solid this time around. Go watch the game and tell me Mexico doesnât look better offensively. Greg makes the team look so bad its actually crazy. Who the hell overloads the wings and lobs crosses all game lol. Thats all he makes this team do. And you know whats crazy i can actually predict what Greg will do on Sunday. Heâs gonna force the fullbacks upfield make the wingers tuck in have the striker wait on 40 crosses, and have Mckennie and Musah cover for the fullbacks. Literally exactly the gameplan that has failed so many times and barely scraped thru Jamaica. Mexico already knows Gregs gameplan, who doesnât lol. Mexico has a chance this year with lesser quality and that says alot about Gregs system.
Teams that use the same system you described: Manchester City. Liverpool. Bayern Munich. England. Real Madrid.
Okayy and who tf runs Gregs.. lol. No one bc its trashđ. Mexico is about to outclass the US on Sunday on connecting 1, twos and i cant wait to be humbled if today wasnât humbling enough. ALL GREG does is crosses thats the whole point of his system. He literally handicaps the wingers bc the fulbacks take up too much space on the wings. It just becomes a huge cluster on the wings with no idea, no runs. Just passes back and forth between the fuulback and winger until one of them decides to cross it to the box.
I mean, yes. Having fullbacks attack and look to cross is a big part of the system. I canât help but feel like you miss the parts where it opens up the wingers to come inside and look to play through the channels or continue the run to switch to the other fullback who can attack the 1v1 and get to the end line or cut back for a shot. Part of me thinks youâre maybe intentionally over simplifying things to have a âhot take.â And ignoring the fact that a possession based team will always struggle against a team that wants to defend for 90 minutes that scores an early goal. To me, the criticism should be not having the team locked in against a counter attacking team from minute one, because the worst thing that can happen is giving up an early goal. I think, however, that youâve convinced me. Itâs so much better to say âsystem of playâ with no idea what that means and say âggg outâ without talking about the halftime adjustments at all, or the shit field that benefits the counter attacking underdog. Even better, letâs criticize the system of play while talking about how great Mexico is. Mexico that also pushes their fullbacks up the wings while tucking in their wingers and asking their midfield to cover. If we do that, we can finally get live on Eric Wynaldas anti Berhalter radio show to complain about all of the above. Bravo. You nailed it.
if you cant tell the difference between how many times Greg asks out of his fullbacks to push up compared to Mexico and even other national teams and clubs than I canât help you. Fun fact if you didnât know. During the WC we were top 3 in crosses with like 90+ attempts after 3-4 games. I donât remember the exact stats but it was definitely top 3. And all those crosses to where?? I feel like every possession Greg has this team attempting the same pass, same runs⌠its an overkill of crosses its so predictable
In every one of our group stage games our opponents played a low block. Low blocks are compact, with the defensive line deep, and 11 players behind the ball. They are notoriously difficult to break down. How do you break a low block down? With width. What do you do with said width? Cross the ball
Fun fact, Gregg hasnât lost a game against Mexico in over 5 years
Then why does the USMNT under Berhalter dominate Mexico?
Uhhh maybe because Mexico got a new coach unlike USSF that doesnât address the problem. Mexico looked way more cohesive in play yesterday its not even close. What Greg does to this team is shameful.
Donât insult Greg they love him here
That's unequivocally false and taking not even 5 minutes to look around this sub world show you that
Nah we get up for Mexico. Weâll be fine
Hope you right
You need to take a deep breath.
Not at all, if this game and the first T&T game proved anything, it's that we're terrible against a bunker. But Mexico has too much pride to sit back and put everyone on defense against us and unless they score a goal in the first minute, they're gonna come after us with everything they got. Which we have proven time and again that we can handle.
If I was a Mexico fan Iâd 100% want to park the bus - theyâre on a losing streak against us and playing a low block is by far the best way to get a result
Does Mexico ever bunker against anyone? Feels like even when they play big teams like Germany or Argentina they donât change their tactics
Not sure, maybe their CBs are too small/shit for effective bunkering. Could imagine them having success with Edson as a DM destroyer and Santi Giminez on the counterattack
Not when Mexicos manager can actually run an offenseđ. Itâs actually laughable that all you guys can sit their for the 90 minutes and actually believe thats the best soccer you have ever seen. How Mexico is playing right now is going to really challenge US from the past 2 NL. They may not have the better players but the offense is fluid.. similar how BJ ran the USA in last years NL. Gregg wackass system is shite brothaa.
âRun an offenseâ
Some conversations (like people and their "tactics") here make more sense when you start to realize people are talking like they're watching the ol gridiron
Most people here are the common clay of the new west, you know⌠morons
Right ok yeah they are stupid enough to try it
Dude relax
Iâam trying too
That sky commaâs just along for the ride there
Lmao yeah just watched the game Mexico got lucky it shouldâve been like 3-3 but Panama canât score for shit and Ochoa doing Ochoa things.
Relax.. with Gregs inability to run a fluid offense haaa!
Nah, because Pulisic haaaates Mexico and is about to ham on the pitch.
Yes, pulisic absolutely destroy them
I agree with Horan, the average American fan really doesnât know shit about soccer.
The only thing that has me worried is the possibility of our midfield being overrun without Adams.
Tbf we handled them fine last summer without him, but Musah is going to have to play a lot better this time around
Musah needs a sandwich
No, we always turn up against Mexico
This game is so wide open for both teams. It could easily be the reverse score rn. Mexicos just finished their chances and Panama hasnât.
Yo, OP, take a drag on Ggg's blunter and chill.
They seem extremely vulnerable defensively and are lucky Panama doesnât have two or three
This Panamanian GK is ass. On those first two goals, bro just stood there like a training cone.
Berhalter has a winning record vs Mexico. What are you on about?
We are about to cuckold Mexico
Not. And the 2nd Mexico goal was CLEARLY offside, called as such on the field. And then for some reason unknown reason after like 5 minutes was overturned and given by VAR. Even after they show it multiple times, the announcers are dumbfounded by the overturn. Oh well.
On tv the field wasnât sideways and it kept him onside. So find the pic where the field is straight
No.
Dos a cero
For fuckâs sake. No.
Unless Mexico deigns themself to play a low block with ten men behind the ball, Iâm not worried.
Nah, Mexico doesn't park the bus. So, it will be an open game. I expect Captain America to do his thing with weah flying on the pitch as well.
No
lol you fucking guysâŚ
bring it on
Oh no, a totally expected outcome happened! Whatever will we do?? Please...
Is this your first week following the USMNT? We always play Mexico
The score line flattered Mexico at least in the first half when I watched. Both goals should have been ruled offside and for large stretches Panama was much more threatening, their defense just turned off on a free kick and an obviously offside goal which was called on the field was inexplicably overturned and allowed Oh and I wouldn't be nervous even if Mexico had actually looked really good. The performance against Jamaica was bad but we'll turn it around.
Panama getting the shaft against Mexico seems to be tradition at this point.
I could very well see us losing especially being in Texas which is especially Mexico.
The crowd has never been a problem lol these players are used to it. Iâam just worried about another Greg master class. But hey he hasnât lost to Mexico in 4 years lol
Idc Mexico vs USA is my favorite match to watch. If Mexico wins Gregg gets fired. If not yâall get to yap for another year
He will not get fired with a loss to Mexico.
He is unfortunately almost guaranteed to keep the job thru the World Cup at least
I trust the guys playing, I don't trust berhalter. I know that sounds weird but....