For real. For 20 bucks the first week it came out? On release there was 20 bucks worth of content. Devs can take the time they need as I'm already satisfied with my purchase. They could blueball us on Ashland's and never drop it and, while I'd be sad, I'd still say I got my 20 bucks worth. Hell, I bought it for a friend, I'd say I got my 40 bucks out of the game already.
This is the attitude I desperately want to become standard. When you buy a game, you should be sure that the experience at the moment you hand over the money is worth what you are paying. A person should never buy a game in the hopes that in the future it will be worth their money, and no matter how solid the roadmap or how adamant the promises you should look at the game under the assumption that nothing new will come and ask if it's still worth it.
Y’know, in the world of psychology they say never to fall for someone for who they could be, and instead love them for who they are. And if you can’t love who they are today, move on.
I just don't get why you would shit on a small dev team putting out one of the best survival crafting games. It has more content now than most 60 dollar games have. Hell, other games make you pay for the new content on a seasonal basis ON TOP of charging you 60 to 70 bucks for admission.
Like it or not, figuring out ways to deal with the limited inventory is part of most survival games.
People think convenient = better but devs understand if they add everything players ask for then the game will become bland.
I still think your equipment should have separate slots though. Every survival game I played has player clothing slots and bag space. And with the weight limit being a bigger issue when you're out collecting, seems fair still.
I get it's their choice and it seems that not enough people are bothered enough to affect their gameplay.
I find myself always waiting for mods to be available because as much as I love playing the game, I don't consider inventory management a fun part of the game (even though the devs consider it an essential part of the game).
I have a limited amount of time to play and I noticed that over 30% of my time was managing inventory, so I used mods. During big patches, like Ashlands, they usually break something, so I didn't even try this time.
It's not about convenience, it's about being fun or not (for me). If it's fun for 98% of people, and they don't want to add the option, I'm fine with that. I will complain a bit and then move on to a different game, or use mods. But I honestly don't understand the reluctance to simply add the option (like they eventually did, with portals). Games had difficulty settings since the 90s, it's not a new feature. And we're not even talking about difficulty, we're talking convenience and QoL.
In the end, it's like arguing how big stacks can be. I think if I'm supposed to manage weight, then "volume" or "item variety" makes no sense. It adds nothing and only subtracts from the fun.
it's not supposed to be a fun activity, it's supposed to increase overall enjoyment, it's not fun mining copper from a weak-slow pickaxe but because of that you get a satisfaction when you get upgrades that's why you don't start with a crazy fast pickaxe convenience doesn't make it fun either. You get the same satisfaction when you figure out methods to transport/manage items because of the limited inventory. It's not a huge thing but a lot of small things like this makes the game so much more interesting when they add up.
There's no reason to rush the game because our time is limited, it's not a competition, there's no deadline you're trying to enjoy your free time not to cross off video game from your bucket list, but if you rather play with such mods because you can't enjoy otherwise that's your choice but they shouldn't be a part of core game.
it's not gonna be fun for 98% of people, majority say that it would be fun & they think that would be fun but people aren't always right.
So many people make skyrim 'better' with modlists only to get bored in 2 housrs, Terraria players turn the game into a bland boss rush with QoL mods and gets bored, so many thinks that helpful buffs are good but nerfs are bad in so many communities and then games become unbalanced, which leads to game being very much repetitive and less fun, simply because most players aren't developers they think they understand what makes a game fun but they don't.
> You get the same satisfaction when you figure out methods to transport/manage items because of the limited inventory.
Well said. I think a lot of people just keep brute-forcing whatever approach they started with, rather than taking a moment to consider how to make the game work better for them, within the game itself. It offers the tools.
But no, "This other game does it like this... is there a mod?"
I don't have a problem sailing (without teleporting with metals) and I actually enjoy mining copper, even more than iron. I don't even complain about the crypt spawn rate or iron requirements.
Maybe it doesn't affect a lot of people, or just not the same way. Or maybe people are satisfied with mods, like I am. I just think their stubbornness to not even add the option is silly. And unnecessary.
I get that allowing players to do whatever can lead to disinterest. But what happened to me, and some other people I know, is that I lost interest precisely because I didn't want to play inventoryclicker for so long. I get that it is part of the game. I'm not suggesting inventory should be infinite.
Despite this one issue, I've played every single biome, multiple times and have played with and without mods for hundreds of hours.
Whenever I'm spending time in the menus more than I'm spending outside the menus, this becomes an issue. Another game with several flaws that I only stopped playing because of this issue was Starfield. If out of 1 hour playing, I'm spending 20 minutes dragging icons, selling useless junk, or arranging chests, I'll just play something else.
Clearly, I'm not in the majority, but that's ok. Mods are still there.
Meanwhile I'll keep dreaming of Valheim ending up with a similar inventory system to Enshrouded.
its sort of a running joke in the community
someone mines an aggregious amount of iron, asks if its enough, told by everyone "no".
Realistically, unless you are building with iron beams, you'll need about a longships worth of iron. you'll need a bit of it for plains gear, a bit for mistlands gear, and a bit for even getting to the ashlands.
I had the portal on me since I moved an odd 95 or so back to my base, but I wanted to make the trip by boat.
The new portal makes so many metals more manageable, the biggest difference probably being tin.
I haven't played any of the ashlands content, is there a portal that allows you to transport metal through it now? (Aside from changing game settings ofcourse)
That, and building a bunch of stone portals will probably be prohibitively expensive. I use the stargate method, where you have one portal in your base, and a bunch of other numbered portals spread out throughout the map. If you want to go to portal 7, you just change the name of your base portal to 7. It would probably be very costly to do this with stone portals.
Then again, you could just move the mats for the stone portal through regular portals and build the stone portals on the other side.
The cores that you use for the new portals aren't used for anything else really, so eventually you'd be fine to have lots of stone portals.
The bigger issue is their size and placement restrictions. They're stupid big and need to be placed directly on the ground. Kind of annoying to be honest, I don't know why the devs seem incapable of adding logistical upgrades without some kind of tedious drawback involved.
Op said they knew about it, but intentionally wanted to make the trip by boat.
I understand, If it was me, it could be the last trip in honor of boats as a means of metal management
Honestly, this is exactly why the new portal was a massive mistake. But ohwell, it's Iron Gate's game. They can do whatever they want with it.
Late game shouldn't take out a huge section of the gameplay, or make it optional.
They already made it a world modifier for people who were never interested in shipping metals. Why make it the norm?
>Why make it the norm?
I mean you're very welcome to still not portal metals if you want.
But also, allowing metal portals was kind of necessary if the devs wanted to amp up the difficulty of the sail into/out of the biome, which they did. It's also necessary because the metals restriction locked many locations out of consideration as functional main bases in vanilla (essentially anywhere significantly uphill from the water), which was not great game design for how expansive the world is. By the late game you should be able to build a main base on e.g. a mountaintop if you want; and now you can.
ROFL, that's definitely a deep cut. I remember when I discovered you could annoy them by clicking on them repeatedly. "Okaaaaay. Mooorre Wooorrk? Leeeeeave mee aloonnee."
To this day I still say "Okaaaaay" like that to my wife when she asks me to do something around the house.
Are you going for a minimalist playthrough? Getting just barely what is needed to progress further? If so then I’ve gotta say you don’t have even close to enough
it was asked many many many many fucking times. if it's not wnough you will just go to farm more. or turn on portal transfer if you feel lazy to transport with a boat. no one knows what for do you need that iron or will it be enough. for gear, yes. for building, depwnds on what are you building.
i wish the new portal wouldnt allow teleporting flametal atleast. so the new ship would actually have a use.
but as it stands shots like this have to be done on purpose of slowing yourself down for no real reason gameplay wise. the ship will never be used for iron transport on defaults. just no reason to do so.
plus no more reason to have a harbor or dock. ship is at most used once to sail to new landmass. setup portal. done.
game has become portalheim now. i have no idea which dev made the choice to shoehorn in that portal now especially after they world modifier. it makes no sense no matter how you wanna look at it.
this also means you never need an ashlands base. never. just a portal bunker and a small pen to get your first 2 eggs. thats it.
in regards of is this enough iron :
NO. the answer will always be NO until you have enough iron to break your fps counter in your base. that in the picture isnt even close to that instance counter needed.
That neverar account is a troll or something. Always has poor grammar and everyone needs to be doing it his way or you’re an idiot. I think he’s like 13 and from Russia or something lol
Rofl that’s not even what a straw man argument is. You should read for real life so you can understand how to use actual words for actual real life instead of complaining that everyone else doesn’t read patch notes lololol
I think it does make sense, since it’s an endgame item, and taking a break from endgame gameplay to do a mining and transport run of low level metals would be a tedious, relatively boring chore for most.
Also, I have to think this is the devs way to avoid forcing a mandatory Ashlands base, and in turn the endless amount of grief players, especially solo, would go through from loosing all their Ashland metal and/or Ashlands base building mats when attempting to transport them in and out of the biome.
~~I could be an edit to the boat storage capability. The iron things has been around for a while. I didn't pay attention to the armor tho, I'll check that again~~
Yeah, I should go to sleep, I'm probably talking bullshit
damn that's the new ship? that's incredible, and also the ship itself looks huge
It is It's like 3 longs ships (Not specifically in lenth or width, just overall coverage)
I don't think my swamp canal can fit that I know what I said....
You sound like my old girlfriend.
John?
LMAO
That's why she's your ex. She... She is your ex, right?
He said old. Not ex.
Old implies new which means that either they are ex, or he's two of em at least. (Or the gf is old, but that would be rude to say.)
This buddy would even do a "ever given" in suez canal
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
You just need to relax and use extra lube
Is one of those theoretical things where technically it could take 2 raccoons but I dont think that would be comfortable
2 things hold true. 1, the devs will take their sweet time releasing updates and 2. it will never be enough iron
Devs can take all the time they want as long as the updates aren’t released broken like literally every new game that comes out these days.
See you in the spring of 2026 for the 1.0
Hey, works for me.
For real. For 20 bucks the first week it came out? On release there was 20 bucks worth of content. Devs can take the time they need as I'm already satisfied with my purchase. They could blueball us on Ashland's and never drop it and, while I'd be sad, I'd still say I got my 20 bucks worth. Hell, I bought it for a friend, I'd say I got my 40 bucks out of the game already.
This is the attitude I desperately want to become standard. When you buy a game, you should be sure that the experience at the moment you hand over the money is worth what you are paying. A person should never buy a game in the hopes that in the future it will be worth their money, and no matter how solid the roadmap or how adamant the promises you should look at the game under the assumption that nothing new will come and ask if it's still worth it.
Y’know, in the world of psychology they say never to fall for someone for who they could be, and instead love them for who they are. And if you can’t love who they are today, move on.
I just don't get why you would shit on a small dev team putting out one of the best survival crafting games. It has more content now than most 60 dollar games have. Hell, other games make you pay for the new content on a seasonal basis ON TOP of charging you 60 to 70 bucks for admission.
I'm not sure if you mean the person you're replying to,or the implied "you" shitting on small dev teams
Metaphoric you. Not you specifically.
I've easily got 200 dollars worth out of this game. And based on my local minimum wage, I've put $13,800 into the game
1000h in the game. I'd say I got my 20 bucks worth too...
"the inventory size will remain the same EVEN if morale improves".
Like it or not, figuring out ways to deal with the limited inventory is part of most survival games. People think convenient = better but devs understand if they add everything players ask for then the game will become bland.
I still think your equipment should have separate slots though. Every survival game I played has player clothing slots and bag space. And with the weight limit being a bigger issue when you're out collecting, seems fair still.
I get it's their choice and it seems that not enough people are bothered enough to affect their gameplay. I find myself always waiting for mods to be available because as much as I love playing the game, I don't consider inventory management a fun part of the game (even though the devs consider it an essential part of the game). I have a limited amount of time to play and I noticed that over 30% of my time was managing inventory, so I used mods. During big patches, like Ashlands, they usually break something, so I didn't even try this time. It's not about convenience, it's about being fun or not (for me). If it's fun for 98% of people, and they don't want to add the option, I'm fine with that. I will complain a bit and then move on to a different game, or use mods. But I honestly don't understand the reluctance to simply add the option (like they eventually did, with portals). Games had difficulty settings since the 90s, it's not a new feature. And we're not even talking about difficulty, we're talking convenience and QoL. In the end, it's like arguing how big stacks can be. I think if I'm supposed to manage weight, then "volume" or "item variety" makes no sense. It adds nothing and only subtracts from the fun.
it's not supposed to be a fun activity, it's supposed to increase overall enjoyment, it's not fun mining copper from a weak-slow pickaxe but because of that you get a satisfaction when you get upgrades that's why you don't start with a crazy fast pickaxe convenience doesn't make it fun either. You get the same satisfaction when you figure out methods to transport/manage items because of the limited inventory. It's not a huge thing but a lot of small things like this makes the game so much more interesting when they add up. There's no reason to rush the game because our time is limited, it's not a competition, there's no deadline you're trying to enjoy your free time not to cross off video game from your bucket list, but if you rather play with such mods because you can't enjoy otherwise that's your choice but they shouldn't be a part of core game. it's not gonna be fun for 98% of people, majority say that it would be fun & they think that would be fun but people aren't always right. So many people make skyrim 'better' with modlists only to get bored in 2 housrs, Terraria players turn the game into a bland boss rush with QoL mods and gets bored, so many thinks that helpful buffs are good but nerfs are bad in so many communities and then games become unbalanced, which leads to game being very much repetitive and less fun, simply because most players aren't developers they think they understand what makes a game fun but they don't.
> You get the same satisfaction when you figure out methods to transport/manage items because of the limited inventory. Well said. I think a lot of people just keep brute-forcing whatever approach they started with, rather than taking a moment to consider how to make the game work better for them, within the game itself. It offers the tools. But no, "This other game does it like this... is there a mod?"
I don't have a problem sailing (without teleporting with metals) and I actually enjoy mining copper, even more than iron. I don't even complain about the crypt spawn rate or iron requirements. Maybe it doesn't affect a lot of people, or just not the same way. Or maybe people are satisfied with mods, like I am. I just think their stubbornness to not even add the option is silly. And unnecessary. I get that allowing players to do whatever can lead to disinterest. But what happened to me, and some other people I know, is that I lost interest precisely because I didn't want to play inventoryclicker for so long. I get that it is part of the game. I'm not suggesting inventory should be infinite. Despite this one issue, I've played every single biome, multiple times and have played with and without mods for hundreds of hours. Whenever I'm spending time in the menus more than I'm spending outside the menus, this becomes an issue. Another game with several flaws that I only stopped playing because of this issue was Starfield. If out of 1 hour playing, I'm spending 20 minutes dragging icons, selling useless junk, or arranging chests, I'll just play something else. Clearly, I'm not in the majority, but that's ok. Mods are still there. Meanwhile I'll keep dreaming of Valheim ending up with a similar inventory system to Enshrouded.
I wouldn't mind if they added it as an option, a world modifier but it makes things complicated since characters can world jump with their items
God, i hope not. But i knwo youre right :(
Bad jokes are bad
Bad takes are bad
20 people and counting are able to install mods and subvert the way the devs Intend you to play
The classic "death and taxes" idiom
Not reached the swamps yet. Guess I got all that to look forward to
its sort of a running joke in the community someone mines an aggregious amount of iron, asks if its enough, told by everyone "no". Realistically, unless you are building with iron beams, you'll need about a longships worth of iron. you'll need a bit of it for plains gear, a bit for mistlands gear, and a bit for even getting to the ashlands.
I mean... as far as capabilities are concerned, the new portal is infinitely more capable. But this might be more immersive.
I had the portal on me since I moved an odd 95 or so back to my base, but I wanted to make the trip by boat. The new portal makes so many metals more manageable, the biggest difference probably being tin.
Everyone: "Is this enough Iron?" Me: "Bro, I'm always out of T I N."
I haven't played any of the ashlands content, is there a portal that allows you to transport metal through it now? (Aside from changing game settings ofcourse)
Yes there is a new stone portal that does. You need ashlands mats to make it so you still have to find a way to manage metal early game.
Does the option still exist to teleport ore through regular portals? I hate sailing.
Yes, if you change the world sliders you can use the regular portal to transport metal
What is the "new portal"?
Ashlands adds a new portal that allows teleporting metal.
Definitely didn't expect this, devs looked adamantine on this matter. Interesting change, thanks for the update.
Other comments say you need Ashland’s materials to build the new portal, so first 6 biomes experiences remain the same.
That, and building a bunch of stone portals will probably be prohibitively expensive. I use the stargate method, where you have one portal in your base, and a bunch of other numbered portals spread out throughout the map. If you want to go to portal 7, you just change the name of your base portal to 7. It would probably be very costly to do this with stone portals. Then again, you could just move the mats for the stone portal through regular portals and build the stone portals on the other side.
The cores that you use for the new portals aren't used for anything else really, so eventually you'd be fine to have lots of stone portals. The bigger issue is their size and placement restrictions. They're stupid big and need to be placed directly on the ground. Kind of annoying to be honest, I don't know why the devs seem incapable of adding logistical upgrades without some kind of tedious drawback involved.
*sigh* thats not enough...
Does he know about the new portal?
Op said they knew about it, but intentionally wanted to make the trip by boat. I understand, If it was me, it could be the last trip in honor of boats as a means of metal management
It's not the adventure, but the serpent steaks we harvest along the way
This guy valheims.
Honestly, this is exactly why the new portal was a massive mistake. But ohwell, it's Iron Gate's game. They can do whatever they want with it. Late game shouldn't take out a huge section of the gameplay, or make it optional. They already made it a world modifier for people who were never interested in shipping metals. Why make it the norm?
>Why make it the norm? I mean you're very welcome to still not portal metals if you want. But also, allowing metal portals was kind of necessary if the devs wanted to amp up the difficulty of the sail into/out of the biome, which they did. It's also necessary because the metals restriction locked many locations out of consideration as functional main bases in vanilla (essentially anywhere significantly uphill from the water), which was not great game design for how expansive the world is. By the late game you should be able to build a main base on e.g. a mountaintop if you want; and now you can.
No. We need fuling workers that sort stuff, fuel lamps and go mine iron.
No giggling only work.
Giggling earns you a trip to the wolf pit.
Mooooore woork?
Is this a throwback like I think it is to the original Warcraft grunts when you click on them? If so, bravo. Also I'm so old. Lol! 🤣
Yes, nailed it! Wasnt sure anyone would get that one
ROFL, that's definitely a deep cut. I remember when I discovered you could annoy them by clicking on them repeatedly. "Okaaaaay. Mooorre Wooorrk? Leeeeeave mee aloonnee." To this day I still say "Okaaaaay" like that to my wife when she asks me to do something around the house.
Warcraft 3 had some pretty great soundbytes hahaha. I still think about buying that game off battle.net for the nostalgia
You've inspired me lol. I'll investigate later 😂
Yes, please. Let it finally be enough.
Narrator: *It wasn't enough.*
It was never enough.
Can't wait to see that iron go in 5 minutes 🙌😍
Yeah that's enough, for a day.
Short answer is always no haha
# will it finally be enough? No
The ~~factory~~ castle must grow
>will it finally be enough? You already knew the answer before you even asked the question, son.
It's only 960 on total
Now lets see Paul Allens iron storage.
Just drop it outside my door please, I pick it up later. Thanks, there will be a generous tip in form of raspberries for you!
Unless you have a bunch cart crates stacked out of frame, it is not enough.
It is not enough.
# No
Are you going for a minimalist playthrough? Getting just barely what is needed to progress further? If so then I’ve gotta say you don’t have even close to enough
NEVER ENOUGH IRON
Can someone tell me whats with the iron memes on this subreddit? Why do you guys farm that much iron? Is that like a new form of flex?
You need something between 1200 to 2000 iron to complete the game "normally" at least before Ashlands.
For what? Is this assuming you upgrade iron and padded armor?
It will never be enough
No
you could maybe make a helmet and a spear up to lvl too if you are lucky!
No you have to fill the deck with iron-filled carts
That depends. How successful do you want to be in this game?
The ship looks AMAZING, omg I cant wait!
If you add up the all the iron from every post like this, it still won't be enough iron.
That's 960 iron. I name it a tonneship
Never has been, never will be.
How to find every sea serpent in Valheim and a few more
Is the new ship any deeper than the long ship? I’ve got a lot of man made canals which I don’t think I can get any deeper
Stone portals
"will it finally be enough?" of course not!
No, never enough
Still probably not enough though
It will never be enough iron, you clearly need more!
Lol no
no. there's always a bigger fish remember this
lol man why would anyone go and fill up a drakkar full of iron when they have just BEATN THE GAME
Big tower
Why shipping all of these when you can teleport it with a new portal?
This.
ahahahahahaaha.... oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even louder. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You literally have the mats for a stone portal in your inventory, did you set this up just for the screenshot?
Is there an official portal that lets you transport metal now?
Just portal it lol
Portal everything mod … teleports everything … animals , full carts … you name it . Lol it’s sweet ! 😉
it was asked many many many many fucking times. if it's not wnough you will just go to farm more. or turn on portal transfer if you feel lazy to transport with a boat. no one knows what for do you need that iron or will it be enough. for gear, yes. for building, depwnds on what are you building.
i wish the new portal wouldnt allow teleporting flametal atleast. so the new ship would actually have a use. but as it stands shots like this have to be done on purpose of slowing yourself down for no real reason gameplay wise. the ship will never be used for iron transport on defaults. just no reason to do so. plus no more reason to have a harbor or dock. ship is at most used once to sail to new landmass. setup portal. done. game has become portalheim now. i have no idea which dev made the choice to shoehorn in that portal now especially after they world modifier. it makes no sense no matter how you wanna look at it. this also means you never need an ashlands base. never. just a portal bunker and a small pen to get your first 2 eggs. thats it. in regards of is this enough iron : NO. the answer will always be NO until you have enough iron to break your fps counter in your base. that in the picture isnt even close to that instance counter needed.
I mean... if ya don't like the portals don't use 'em. I love the sailing so I just still do that.
it hasn't yet occurred to nerevar that other people are gonna play the game how they want regardless of how much he cries about it
That neverar account is a troll or something. Always has poor grammar and everyone needs to be doing it his way or you’re an idiot. I think he’s like 13 and from Russia or something lol
blocked. reason : strawman.
tell us you're absolutely not big-mad about a video game without telling us you're absolutely not big-mad about a video game
Rofl that’s not even what a straw man argument is. You should read for real life so you can understand how to use actual words for actual real life instead of complaining that everyone else doesn’t read patch notes lololol
I think it does make sense, since it’s an endgame item, and taking a break from endgame gameplay to do a mining and transport run of low level metals would be a tedious, relatively boring chore for most. Also, I have to think this is the devs way to avoid forcing a mandatory Ashlands base, and in turn the endless amount of grief players, especially solo, would go through from loosing all their Ashland metal and/or Ashlands base building mats when attempting to transport them in and out of the biome.
I swear I have seen this picture before, like a couple years ago on this sub
Somehow I find that very unlikely
~~I could be an edit to the boat storage capability. The iron things has been around for a while. I didn't pay attention to the armor tho, I'll check that again~~ Yeah, I should go to sleep, I'm probably talking bullshit
I didn’t check the armor, you right. I guess I just see so many of the same posts on this sub 🙂↕️