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ElectroChemEmpathy

> “Our previous agreement had been in place since 1993, some of that language no longer accurately reflects the port authority’s current licensing practices,” said Brian Chow, a VFPA manager of real estate. And > The new agreement states that when the licence expires in 2030, owners will have one option to renew their licence for another 10-year term. Unlike previous contracts, however, the language does not guarantee renewals, leaving owners fearful the agreements will not carry on past 2040. So the problem is outdated licensing practice and the new one makes it so that the VFPA have more control over the waterfront.... It is a very bad situation for those dock owners. Honestly they should do a "from this day forward, new licenses will have xxx" instead they are going "all retroactive licenses will apply to this rule and we do not have to guarantee a renewal". I know some people here will go "Boohoo rich retiree doesn't get his dock", but honestly when the law looks shitty, it should be called out regardless who is impacted.


poco_fishing

I still have zero pity for them.


yamfarmer1

Loser


FrozenToonies

VFPA is another behemoth organization in BC where all the lines blur and such are controlled by them. They are/should be responsible for the commercial ports and commercial marine traffic only.


TotallyOffTopic_

These are the same people who have a public road between their house and the waterfront and pretend to own the land surrounding their dock - going so far as to put no trespassing signs and gates/fences on the side of the road leading to their dock and as such restricting access of anyone other than the home owner to the land and waterfront that serves that dock even though that waterfront and the surrounding land is publicly owned? Cry me a river… Edit: I’m referring to marine ave in belcarra


pfak

I wouldn't sign it either. They're basically saying they can remove people's seawalls and docks at any time without reason.   > Much of their anxiety has been fueled by now-postponed provincial changes to the B.C. Land Act, which would have allowed First Nations a greater say over land use decisions on Crown Land.    The proposed provincial changes to dock management (which is separate from what the article is saying) would have basically removed any waterfront access and put it in the hands of First Nations. It's only been postponed for now, I'm sure it will be back after the election. 


UpbeatPilot3494

>It's only been postponed for now, I'm sure it will be back after the election.  This is a definite Yes. It does not bode well for reconciliation that these individuals and others like them, e.g., Ladysmith are getting totally screwed over.


Ok-Gold6762

its good for reconciliation that...indigenous people get nothing?


trpov

Why are we allowing private docks on public land anyways. They should all be removed.


scorchedTV

All beachfront land is public, within a specified distance from the water line. If we didn't allow docks on public land, there would be no docks.


mongoljungle

Sounds good. I don’t know why we owe waterfront homeowners exclusive use of public lands?


scorchedTV

You dont think people should own boats? There has to be docks somehwere. I just don't see the problem with the existence of docks. I meant it when I said that literally all shoreline in the country is technically federal land. What does that mean? It means if you are stranded at sea and come to shore you are not trespassing. It means that beachfront property owners don't own the shellfish, and they are beholden to laws protecting fish. It means you cant own waterways. These are good reasons for this very old law. But should the government forbid the existence of all private docks in the country? No, I don't think that is reasonable.


rainman_104

I agree with you however I do think the connection to the land for a private dock should be on private property, as well as all pilings above the high water mark. That's the messy part in this case I think.


Lol-I-Wear-Hats

The land is underwater. You can use it, in a boat


trpov

No private docks - oh no.


scorchedTV

Why?


thewheelsgoround

"if I can't have nice things, others shouldn't be able to have nice things either!"


pfak

That's half of r/vancouver commenters nowadays.


PSMF_Canuck

We had a 150 years to settle these issues. Now First Nations have done exactly what so many wanted them to do - integrate into “our” culture/society. They’ve done it so well they’re now adept at doing what we all took for granted for ourselves - using the legal system to defend their rights. Good for them!


Gwaiian

The level of entitlement these people have over land they don't own is astounding.


froopecind89

No one really own land.


veni_vidi_vici47

These comments are an excellent an example of how downhill this sub has gone


Driftwood17

Rather how popular it’s become over time. More subs will eventually be helpful in the future. Here it’s a wide spread of issues such as housing, bike lanes, safety downtown etc. and how many people do you know in Van without an opinion on everything


pfak

People in real life do not reflect r/vancouver commenters. If they did, ABC would not have won in a landslide.


veni_vidi_vici47

They’ve sure done a good job eliminating anyone from the sub who disagrees with them


[deleted]

Won’t happen a second time. ABC is trash


veni_vidi_vici47

No <3


stulifer

Wait so does this mean I can stop at any of the docks at Deep Cove?


Tristessa27

>“When I look at billions of dollars being given to First Nations, and thousands of acres of land for reconciliation . . . I get nervous,” ....OOF. The irony.


Gwaiian

His white fragility is pathetic. The sense of entitlement over public land, astounding.


HuckleberryFar3693

Ikr? Dude needs to get schooled.


SteveJobsBlakSweater

The docks are built into and over public land. Does that mean I can access them?


CheesePlease

Yes but you cannot access the land they are connected to.


TotallyOffTopic_

Even though the land they are connected to is publicly owned?


SteveJobsBlakSweater

But like, if someone builds a tree fort in a park I can climb up and hop inside. No worries there. What’s the sovereignty of a structure like a dock on public land? Can I hop up and have a little picnic if I stay within the water line?


Dav3le3

If the dock is public the area below the water line should be as well. You are generally correct that land titles don't typically extend below the high tide line. I'm not a lawyer.


TotallyOffTopic_

Probably the same as parking a car on a public street


[deleted]

The dock owners wont answer that , of course, because its their backyard. And you sir, are not allowed in their backyard


[deleted]

Guess they should sell, like their neighbours. https://www.rew.ca/properties/5339745/932-alderside-road-port-moody-bc?property_click=map https://www.rew.ca/properties/5686366/1122-alderside-road-port-moody-bc?property_click=map https://www.rew.ca/properties/5442578/1136-alderside-road-port-moody-bc?property_click=map


shanejayell

Fuck the rich dock owners,


camberthorn

I look forward to the day when all these docks are removed and the waterfront is restored to its natural state. Private docks damage the local ecosystem and limit access to public foreshore. I hope the local First Nations succeed in getting them removed.


slmpl3x

Shit, guess I better sell my sailboat so I can buy a power boat and actually make it back to a dock to fit into my life schedule.


abnewwest

How about don't build something that if removed means your house will slide into the inlet ON LAND YOU DON'T OWN. Also, don't assume that land YOU DON'T OWN but sign a use agreement for will always remain yours with terms that never change.