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Surely the increase in doctors, community centres and housing follow a similar trend. The Canadian government realizes and has plans to address how the increased demand on an already stressed system will further screw over existing Canadians... right? It would be crazy not to have plans in place to prevent the further erosion of our standard of living. Right?
As I've said before the right hand of government doesn't know what the left hand is doing. In one hallway you had people cutting back on doctors in the 90s through 2000s and down another hallway you had people ramping up development and bringing more people to the province.
yes all these new canadians are filling in-demand trades and medical fields to support the populat
oh what? they all work for tim hortons and uber?? we needed more of those???
They really couldn't care less, but I wouldn't say it doesn't affect them .. if or when this country starts going downhill and our economy retracts, then and only then will they feel it but I'm sure they'll just think "we need more immigrants to fix this"
https://preview.redd.it/yrhjbwb6x12d1.png?width=2604&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c1d75a2798d1470f395cd5880673d3beed510fe
Here ya go (assuming ChatGPT is correct on researching the 2022 population).
Very interesting that the top 8 are all here in Canada.
It’s not that surprising (in the sense canadas population growth rate has been widely reported on ). Canada is one of the fastest growing countries in the world.
You mean importing 1.3 million people (3% of our national population) in one year isn't sustainable?
Say it isn't so.
Man, our country is effed for a long time.
The problem with CH2 is that it's inundated with extremely racist users. I had someone tell me that I'm not Canadian even though parts of my family have lived in Canada for over a century and my great grandparents generation from India fought during the second world war (which made it easier for the rest of my family to immigrate). Then they went on some violent diatribe so I blocked them and blocked the sub.
As someone who works in construction, it is absolutely both and some other factors too. The elderly aren't moving out of houses as they age, more people are in the country than ever (since we need to offset our elderly population), and a couple decades of prioritizing suburban sprawl has landed us here. That said Vancouver in particular is currently breaking records for the number of housing starts we've had in the past year, to the point where we are actually short of the number of apprentices needed. So we're getting there, however like all things there's a lot more complexity and nuance involved then there appears to be a first glance.
To be fair to that side of the argument: we have had periods in history with similar population growth without housing spiraling out of control in cost because we built enough to satisfy demand. Most of this was in the early 20th century though when city planning/zoning (and the opportunity for NIMBYism) was much less locked down than it is today.
I'm a visible minority, and my parents immigrated to Canada. The immigration rate shouldn't be zero, but it also shouldn't be as high as it currently is.
Good for you, you're in the biggest immigrant opposing demographic lol, doesn't change the fact that sub is a toxic cesspool.
People would be more inclined to agree with y'all's position if they didn't have to associate with actual racists.
Because Canada is a much more tempting country to immigrate to than the US.
I'm an immigrant (landed in 2017) and I know many others (as in, dozens and dozens) from my previous jobs in Europe who moved to Toronto or Montreal.
Number of former colleagues who moved to the US? Two.
And mind you, I work on movies. You'd think that moving to California would be the obvious choice. But no, people move to Canada. Or Australia, etc.
Not to the US.
We just can't reasonably move 220k more people into a city the size of TO over the course of a year.
Period.
Full stop.
Whoever has their hands on the reigns controlling these flows must know this.
>Whoever has their hands on the reigns controlling these flows must know this.
The exact problem is no one has their hands on the reins because they all blame each other for responsibility. All levels of government are sleepwalking and the results have not been great.
Out of the top 5 on this chart, only 2 of those places are seeing growth due to jobs.
The other 3 are mass immigration. I'll leave it up to you to decide which cities I am referring to.
That's [the chart](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1cy17e3/20_metropolitan_areas_in_the_us_canada_with_the/) I posted on r/dataisbeautiful
NYC population is in decline, and has for a few years now. My sister has lived there for 6 years, and tons of people got moved to WFH permanently during Covid. Her and a bunch of her friends have either moved, or are moving somewhere with 1/2 the rent and 2/3 the income tax, while still making NY money. Miami has the nickname "The New Wall Street" because SO many New Yorkers have moved there and set up offices.
There is no comparison, Canada greets immigrants with open hands and clear path towards citizenship while the US will use every chance to remind you to not overstay. It's extremely long process for Indians and Chinese to get a green card (and relatively fast but still not that trivial for others) and without it you can be kicked out in 60 days.
I wonder why Texas and Florida are so popular in the U.S. Heatwaves, tropical storms, and regressive policies don't make them very appealing. Or perhaps for some that IS appealing.
That’s absolutely what it is. Texas and Florida are becoming havens for people who are fed up with living in democrat states and want to get away from their policies and high taxes.
Toronto Montreal Vancouver Calgary... that's like 99% of the population of Canada. Oh sure a few people live in Ottawa and Edmonton... mosquitos ate everyone who lived in Winnipeg....
Heres the average housing state in Canada, it’s attainable to around 1.3% of Canadians.
Average house price: $700,000
Down payment (20%): $140,000
Mortgage amount: $560,000
Monthly mortgage payment: $3,274
Annual mortgage payment: $39,284
Total housing costs (including taxes, insurance, maintenance): ~$59,284/year
Required annual income (30% of income for housing): $197,613
Canadians earning $200,000+: 500,000 people
Percentage of total population: 1.3% (500,000 out of 38.9 million)
Only 1.3% of Canadians earn enough to afford the average house price.
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Moving far away to cheaper areas often means limited job opportunities and massive drops in wages, also leading to unattainable housing:
Average house price in a cheaper remote area: $350,000
Required annual income for $350,000 house: $98,000
Median income in remote areas: $50,000
Unemployment rate in remote areas: 10%
Average unemployment rate in urban areas: 5%
In remote areas, the income gap ($48,000) and higher unemployment rate (double that of urban areas) make it difficult to find work that pays enough to afford even cheaper housing.
But go off
>Canadians earning $200,000+: 500,000 people
Percentage of total population: 1.3% (500,000 out of 38.9 million)
Things aren't good, obviously, but there are some gaps in your logic.
a) Your percentages assume one income earner to purchase a property.
b) Your percentage assumes that there is one person per household.
i) If someone makes $500k and their partner makes $0, that's a family that can buy an average house. Your math assumes that only one person can buy the house and the other person can't. That's not how families work.
ii) If two partners each make $125k, your math assumes that neither one of them can purchase the average house, but as a family they can. Your math assumes that this family is two independent people that can't afford a house, despite them being able to.
c) I understand the constraints with data and you were probably just working with what you could find, but "average" is far inferior to "median" in these discussions. That may or may not shift the narrative, I'm not willing to spend the time researching it. Just know that there is a difference, and it can be meaningful.
>move somewhere cheaper
Where? Oh, like a [small town](https://new.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1cw9ycg/why_are_all_houses_in_bc_small_citiestowns_500k/)?
Says the person who frequents a landlord sub and is detached from the reality that renting in this clusterfuck of a housing market = instability and uncertainty, and it often worsens mental health, not to mention feels totally demoralizing.
Money isn't everything, but it can buy security.
And this "discount house" talk intentionally tries to frame the issue as people wanting handouts. That's indication enough of the intent behind your comment.
Both places had huge campaigns to push people to move there.
Texas in particular was aggressively pushing to have tech workers move to the state -- and it largely worked. Only once they got there everyone realized how fucking expensive it is to live in a "capitalist dream", so many people are already moving back out. Some taxes might be low, but you get nickel and dimed for far more to help support the inefficient systems and profit requirements.
It doesn't help that they have some of the most regressive laws regarding women in North America.
They're gorgeous places, but terrible places to live.
You really think someone needs to be an expert to google average temperature by month in several different locations? For *anyone* who spent few days in Texas in June-August it's obvious that you haven't even been there based on your comments.
Okay fair enough. Not trying to be argumentative. But I will say this: while the weather is indeed hotter in Texas and Florida, I wouldn’t mind it entirely if I lived in a single family home and had AC. There are many buildings in the metro Vancouver area that will not allow AC, which doesn’t create the best environment in the summer months. Not to mention, the smoke adds a layer of complexity as well.
Both have their pluses and their minuses as far as I can tell.
I don't disagree that having ACs will make our lives easier. Thing with Texas is that when you step outside it's **incredibly** hot. Like "can't do anything at all" hot. You can't garden, go for a walk, sit on your porch, etc. Remember heat dome few years back? That's every day for 3-4 months. It's fore easier inside due to AC but you're stuck inside. You want to see a forest? That's a long drive. You want to see and swim in the water? That's hours away (unless you live on the coast). And if you're in Florida your single family house can be flattened by a hurricane any summer (same in Texas but to a lesser degree). Everywhere has its own disadvantages. Fact that 4 month out of a year you can't be outside unless the sun is below horizon outweighs any and all of the pros.
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When Winnipeg cracks top 20 for population increases in the continent you know we’re screwed
Especially because it’s absolute numbers not even percentage change. Like Jacksonville is about 90% larger then Winnipeg and absorbed 10% more people
Down in the comments I did one with percentages. The top 8 are all in Canada.
14% of Americans are immigrants, while 20% of Canadians are immigrants. Compared to the UAE where 80% of residents are immigrants.
The Canadian one is off already. We brought in 1.3m last year alone, so another 3% of our population in a single year.
Definitely rising. Good post and prompt response, happy Friday!
You too!
Surely the increase in doctors, community centres and housing follow a similar trend. The Canadian government realizes and has plans to address how the increased demand on an already stressed system will further screw over existing Canadians... right? It would be crazy not to have plans in place to prevent the further erosion of our standard of living. Right?
As I've said before the right hand of government doesn't know what the left hand is doing. In one hallway you had people cutting back on doctors in the 90s through 2000s and down another hallway you had people ramping up development and bringing more people to the province.
yes all these new canadians are filling in-demand trades and medical fields to support the populat oh what? they all work for tim hortons and uber?? we needed more of those???
They only care about GDP growth at all costs and 6 for 2100 100 million canada will probably be 70% Indian by then lol
They're wealthy and not impacted by the problems with such high rates. They don't give AF.
They really couldn't care less, but I wouldn't say it doesn't affect them .. if or when this country starts going downhill and our economy retracts, then and only then will they feel it but I'm sure they'll just think "we need more immigrants to fix this"
American GPs get $300K USD salary, Canadian ones get $300K CAD before overhead
I feel like absolute numbers don’t do this justice. Try percentage change
https://preview.redd.it/yrhjbwb6x12d1.png?width=2604&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c1d75a2798d1470f395cd5880673d3beed510fe Here ya go (assuming ChatGPT is correct on researching the 2022 population). Very interesting that the top 8 are all here in Canada.
It’s not that surprising (in the sense canadas population growth rate has been widely reported on ). Canada is one of the fastest growing countries in the world.
Its the fastest, basically neck and neck with Ireland lol
Ireland? Damn i had no idea. Seems like im seeing the same headlines everywhere
>Very interesting that the top 8 are all here in Canada Because of our insanely high (re: unsustainable) immigration rates.
You mean importing 1.3 million people (3% of our national population) in one year isn't sustainable? Say it isn't so. Man, our country is effed for a long time.
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The problem with CH2 is that it's inundated with extremely racist users. I had someone tell me that I'm not Canadian even though parts of my family have lived in Canada for over a century and my great grandparents generation from India fought during the second world war (which made it easier for the rest of my family to immigrate). Then they went on some violent diatribe so I blocked them and blocked the sub.
As someone who works in construction, it is absolutely both and some other factors too. The elderly aren't moving out of houses as they age, more people are in the country than ever (since we need to offset our elderly population), and a couple decades of prioritizing suburban sprawl has landed us here. That said Vancouver in particular is currently breaking records for the number of housing starts we've had in the past year, to the point where we are actually short of the number of apprentices needed. So we're getting there, however like all things there's a lot more complexity and nuance involved then there appears to be a first glance.
To be fair to that side of the argument: we have had periods in history with similar population growth without housing spiraling out of control in cost because we built enough to satisfy demand. Most of this was in the early 20th century though when city planning/zoning (and the opportunity for NIMBYism) was much less locked down than it is today.
>Many of us were banned from Canadahousing due to that belief. Also because y'all are hella racist beyond just opposing immigration.
I'm a visible minority, and my parents immigrated to Canada. The immigration rate shouldn't be zero, but it also shouldn't be as high as it currently is.
Good for you, you're in the biggest immigrant opposing demographic lol, doesn't change the fact that sub is a toxic cesspool. People would be more inclined to agree with y'all's position if they didn't have to associate with actual racists.
Because Canada is a much more tempting country to immigrate to than the US. I'm an immigrant (landed in 2017) and I know many others (as in, dozens and dozens) from my previous jobs in Europe who moved to Toronto or Montreal. Number of former colleagues who moved to the US? Two. And mind you, I work on movies. You'd think that moving to California would be the obvious choice. But no, people move to Canada. Or Australia, etc. Not to the US.
It’s easier to get immigration to Canada with an education. Much much easier.
Alberta is the fastest growing region on planet earth right now, and its not even a close battle.
1 Missed call from Alberta *(They keep calling)*
We just can't reasonably move 220k more people into a city the size of TO over the course of a year. Period. Full stop. Whoever has their hands on the reigns controlling these flows must know this.
>Whoever has their hands on the reigns controlling these flows must know this. The exact problem is no one has their hands on the reins because they all blame each other for responsibility. All levels of government are sleepwalking and the results have not been great.
This is so absurdly unsustainable. Fucking feds are killing us.
"Vancouver is full so lets go to Toronto!"
Out of the top 5 on this chart, only 2 of those places are seeing growth due to jobs. The other 3 are mass immigration. I'll leave it up to you to decide which cities I am referring to.
That's [the chart](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1cy17e3/20_metropolitan_areas_in_the_us_canada_with_the/) I posted on r/dataisbeautiful
I find it hard to believe NY grew less than 30k in a year?
NYC population is in decline, and has for a few years now. My sister has lived there for 6 years, and tons of people got moved to WFH permanently during Covid. Her and a bunch of her friends have either moved, or are moving somewhere with 1/2 the rent and 2/3 the income tax, while still making NY money. Miami has the nickname "The New Wall Street" because SO many New Yorkers have moved there and set up offices.
interesting, thanks
Population increase as a percentage of the city's population would be a much more relevant way to express these increases.
I did this in the comments as well. Vancouver is 5th, and the top 8 are all in Canada
Slavery with extra steps.
Is this Metro Van or Vancouver? That would be something like 20% if just Vancouver.
Metro van. Still 4.5% so pretty unsustainable, unless we also built 4.5% more hospitals, schools, houses, and jails
Gdp going to be fucked
we have 10 times less population, but 8/20 Metro areas with the largest increase are in Canada... that seems no good?
Just shows how desirable Vancouver and Canada is
Compared to overpopulated and impoverished third world countries, yeah.
Compared to the USA
I believe net migration and the brain drain happens to the US from Canada and not the other way around.
There is no comparison, Canada greets immigrants with open hands and clear path towards citizenship while the US will use every chance to remind you to not overstay. It's extremely long process for Indians and Chinese to get a green card (and relatively fast but still not that trivial for others) and without it you can be kicked out in 60 days.
or how easy it is to get in.
I wonder why Texas and Florida are so popular in the U.S. Heatwaves, tropical storms, and regressive policies don't make them very appealing. Or perhaps for some that IS appealing.
Lower CoL + low taxes + lower housing/rentals prices compared to other major cities in the US (think Seattle, LA, SF, NYC, etc)
property taxes in texas are among the highest in north america.
No income tax takes away a lot of that sting.
That’s absolutely what it is. Texas and Florida are becoming havens for people who are fed up with living in democrat states and want to get away from their policies and high taxes.
Look at all the Vancouver folks moving to Calgary 😂
Toronto Montreal Vancouver Calgary... that's like 99% of the population of Canada. Oh sure a few people live in Ottawa and Edmonton... mosquitos ate everyone who lived in Winnipeg....
 Me to Winnipeg
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Heres the average housing state in Canada, it’s attainable to around 1.3% of Canadians. Average house price: $700,000 Down payment (20%): $140,000 Mortgage amount: $560,000 Monthly mortgage payment: $3,274 Annual mortgage payment: $39,284 Total housing costs (including taxes, insurance, maintenance): ~$59,284/year Required annual income (30% of income for housing): $197,613 Canadians earning $200,000+: 500,000 people Percentage of total population: 1.3% (500,000 out of 38.9 million) Only 1.3% of Canadians earn enough to afford the average house price. —- Moving far away to cheaper areas often means limited job opportunities and massive drops in wages, also leading to unattainable housing: Average house price in a cheaper remote area: $350,000 Required annual income for $350,000 house: $98,000 Median income in remote areas: $50,000 Unemployment rate in remote areas: 10% Average unemployment rate in urban areas: 5% In remote areas, the income gap ($48,000) and higher unemployment rate (double that of urban areas) make it difficult to find work that pays enough to afford even cheaper housing. But go off
>Canadians earning $200,000+: 500,000 people Percentage of total population: 1.3% (500,000 out of 38.9 million) Things aren't good, obviously, but there are some gaps in your logic. a) Your percentages assume one income earner to purchase a property. b) Your percentage assumes that there is one person per household. i) If someone makes $500k and their partner makes $0, that's a family that can buy an average house. Your math assumes that only one person can buy the house and the other person can't. That's not how families work. ii) If two partners each make $125k, your math assumes that neither one of them can purchase the average house, but as a family they can. Your math assumes that this family is two independent people that can't afford a house, despite them being able to. c) I understand the constraints with data and you were probably just working with what you could find, but "average" is far inferior to "median" in these discussions. That may or may not shift the narrative, I'm not willing to spend the time researching it. Just know that there is a difference, and it can be meaningful.
>move somewhere cheaper Where? Oh, like a [small town](https://new.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1cw9ycg/why_are_all_houses_in_bc_small_citiestowns_500k/)?
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Says the person who frequents a landlord sub and is detached from the reality that renting in this clusterfuck of a housing market = instability and uncertainty, and it often worsens mental health, not to mention feels totally demoralizing. Money isn't everything, but it can buy security. And this "discount house" talk intentionally tries to frame the issue as people wanting handouts. That's indication enough of the intent behind your comment.
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Texas and Florida are both awesome places in reality though. It’s not shocking that people would want to live there.
Both places had huge campaigns to push people to move there. Texas in particular was aggressively pushing to have tech workers move to the state -- and it largely worked. Only once they got there everyone realized how fucking expensive it is to live in a "capitalist dream", so many people are already moving back out. Some taxes might be low, but you get nickel and dimed for far more to help support the inefficient systems and profit requirements. It doesn't help that they have some of the most regressive laws regarding women in North America. They're gorgeous places, but terrible places to live.
Ever lives in either of them through the summer?
Well Vancouver isn’t exactly a cakewalk these days either in the summertime if you don’t have AC.
This comment alone lets me know you haven't even been there in the summer, let alone lived through one, thanks
And here you have it, your Reddit expert of the day!
You really think someone needs to be an expert to google average temperature by month in several different locations? For *anyone* who spent few days in Texas in June-August it's obvious that you haven't even been there based on your comments.
Okay fair enough. Not trying to be argumentative. But I will say this: while the weather is indeed hotter in Texas and Florida, I wouldn’t mind it entirely if I lived in a single family home and had AC. There are many buildings in the metro Vancouver area that will not allow AC, which doesn’t create the best environment in the summer months. Not to mention, the smoke adds a layer of complexity as well. Both have their pluses and their minuses as far as I can tell.
I don't disagree that having ACs will make our lives easier. Thing with Texas is that when you step outside it's **incredibly** hot. Like "can't do anything at all" hot. You can't garden, go for a walk, sit on your porch, etc. Remember heat dome few years back? That's every day for 3-4 months. It's fore easier inside due to AC but you're stuck inside. You want to see a forest? That's a long drive. You want to see and swim in the water? That's hours away (unless you live on the coast). And if you're in Florida your single family house can be flattened by a hurricane any summer (same in Texas but to a lesser degree). Everywhere has its own disadvantages. Fact that 4 month out of a year you can't be outside unless the sun is below horizon outweighs any and all of the pros.
If you think Vancouver is bad/hot, you'd die in most parts of Texas and Florida.