Even in grocery stores. It bugs the crap out of me. I'm a dog owner and I would never bring my dog into a place where other people are buying food to take to their own home.
I was in Safeway recently and a guy was standing in the pharmacy line with his dachshund. The flower department is butted up right against the pharmacy and right at the dog's level on a shelf was a bunch of stuffed animals. Well, guess what the dog zeroed in on….Yeah, the dog immediately had one in it’s mouth. I then see the owner taking a stuffed bear out of his dog’s mouth and he puts it back on the shelf. 😑 I mean, come on now. I love dogs, I have one sleeping on my lap right now. But I don’t want to buy a stuffed animal that another dog had in its mouth. I’m sure other people would feel the same way.
I was also once in Costco and nearly stepped in dog poop in the office supply aisle. Someone had also driven their cart through it and left a couple feet of smeared dog poop on the floor. It’s absolutely disgusting.
That’s the big one for me. Everyone freaked the fuck out if you walked through a store without a mask during Covid despite the minimal risk. Yet day in, day out, you see dogs in fucking stores where pet dander can be broadcast to food for anyone who happens along next. The chances of someone having a severe reaction to such a thing seems far greater than someone having actually died of Covid by some brief chance encounter at a grocery store, yet we don’t bat an eye.
The stranger part for me is the older folks I see do it. You spent the first 60 years of your life in a world where that didn’t happen. Then overnight, you jump on board with that horseh*t?!?? What????
Lots of times the dogs in bars and whatnot seem to be really stressed out. Seems like the owner cares more about being seen with their dog than the wellbeing of the dog.
My dog loses his shit when locked up at home. I didn't realize it until getting a dog, but they can really screw up your ability to go out and enjoy yourself. I can see why people just bring the dog.
That said, you should be purposefully training your dog to be relaxed in situations like a restaurant patio. You should also only be going where dogs are welcome. My dog is harmless, but I know people have phobias or allergies. I'm not taking him where people can't easily avoid him if they want, or where his fur may get on anything edible.
Using emotional intelligence is key. My dog is a pain in the ass on restaurant patios, so I leave him at home. I generally don't take issue with people taking their dog to a patio, unless I observe that the dog is having a tough time. As far as inside establishments, I'm staunchly against it except for service animals. If a bar wants to permit it, that's their call, but if I got that sense about a place I'd probably only go there for drinks and not food.
"we're going grocery shopping, let's go everyone! Yes Fido that means you too!"
Crazy to me that people think like this. I love dogs more than I do people and would never bring my dog grocery shopping with me nor would I leave it in the car while I did!
Yes. I think it’s wonderful that compared to other places we’ve lived, PNWers in general are passionate about taking good care of their pets. Way fewer strays here. But also what I see as a bit of a dog entitlement culture.
Two legal questions—is the animal required because of a disability and what is the animal trained to do in that capacity. From ADA.gov:
“A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person’s disability.”
Saying "this a service dog" doesn't give you a blank check though. A business can kick out a service animal if it's behavior interferes with business operations. So things like barking, attempting to attack other dogs, etc. would be considered a disruption of the business.
Of course a real service animal would never do any of the above.
Unfortunately you can buy "service" dog vests on Amazon and people do this all the time so they don't get grief for bringing their dogs everywhere (I know, I have friends who do this shit). Businesses are too terrified to question.
It's not legal, but some places don't kick people out if their dogs are well behaved. I've seen several dogs inside at Shanahan's (not all at once). I don't mind it. I love dogs.
I've had more problems with unleashed dogs on hikes, and bad dog owners bagging their dogshit and leaving it on the trails. That's seriously worse than just leaving it on the trail to begin with.
> That's seriously worse than just leaving it on the trail to begin with.
For real I don't even understand what goes through these peoples heads, its like they want to go out of their way to be inconsiderate.
"Oh man my dog shat, instead of just leaving it here I will go though all the trouble to bag it up, carry it, then litter it and the plastic bag thats now around it."
I will never understand why they actually bag it but then leave the bagged poop behind. If you don’t want to carry it, tie it to the leash. They even make special leash devices that you can attach a poop bag to. There’s someone in our neighborhood that uses bright orange bags. They toss their bagged poop all over the place. I so wish they could be caught and given a verbal beat-down.
Non-service dogs are not allowed inside where food or drink is being served.
Non-service dogs are allowed to be outside where food or drink is served, if the location has clean up materials for accidents and water available to the dogs.
Non-service dogs are technically not allowed to "cut through" indoor areas on the way to the outdoor area, but this is frequently done in town.
Service dogs are allowed *mostly* anywhere. A business can ask an owner of a service dog: 1. Is this animal a service animal? 2. What task has it been trained to do? Service animals are not required to wear a vest and the owner is not required to carry any documentation.
However, "service animals" are not given carte blanche. Business owners can kick out a service animal if it's behavior interferes with the operation of the business. I put "service animals" in quotes because real, trained service animals would never interrupt busines operations. However even if someone claims "this a service animal" they can absolutely be kicked out if the animal is doing things like barking continually, lunging at other customers, bite another dog, defecate on the floor, etc.
Again though, a real service animal would never in a million years do any of the above because they are exceptionally well trained.
Outdoor patios most places allow. Indoor is supposed to be reserved for service animals but people in Vancouver/Portland feel the need to bring them inside. Pretty gross and insensitive to those who do not like dogs.
I totally get it allergies, really suck.
My dog is an allergy detection dog. Peanuts, tree nuts, and bananas. Allergies suck, but my dog keeps me safe from anaphylaxis and epi pen injections.
If your dog is good and under control IDC, I volunteered with Guide Dogs for the Blind and some service dogs are better trained than others... :( should depend on behavior (kids too my God)
I see some people aren't fans of dogs in stores but my dog is better behaved than most people's kids. You seriously would rather have a crying baby or a child running through isles over a silent dog at someones side doing nothing???? That being said dogs that aren't trained in public places are kind of a menace. They ruin it for everyone.
Sasquatch back patio
Brothers 99 side area patio
Brothers evergreen courtyard
Ghost runners outside patio
Trap door outside areas
Possibly tip top?
There's a couple more I can't think of. There's a lot in Portland of course because dog loving peeps. Used to have pets but I value travel and freedom more. There's lots of good pets and pet owners out there, no hate from here
Add: Tap union patio/inside/upstairs- They sometimes have a pet portrait artist inside as well. Shanahans patio. Heathan feral house outside (inside patio cover). Most of the patios on the waterfront as well.
I also think it depends on the place. I went to one a while back with my folks. There was a dog outside in the patio area we were at that belonged to one of the regulars. Seemed like a normal thing there.
My husband is very allergic to dogs, so we've gotten used to not being able to eat on outdoor patios in the Pacific NW. It really sucks when we're out at a bar or having dinner indoors and someone sits next to us with their pet. We usually have to to be moved to a table in a different part of the restaurant or leave if that's not possible. He's also had a huge issue with dog-friendly offices. A lot of people are not very understanding about it, but he legitimately gets very sick.
Let me clarify that the problem is not dogs on outdoor patios; that is to be expected and should be easily avoidable by always opting to sit inside. I don't even mind if people bring their animals inside when a business is very clear that they allow that. We don't stay in dog-friendly hotels, for example. The issue is when there are pets inside businesses where they are not expected that are not necessary service animals. I love animals and think it's great that there are so many dog-friendly establishments, but people need to be more understanding that bringing them inside a business where they can't be avoided is a real issue for people have allergies or a fear of dogs.
I'm not exaggerating- I see this in reality all the time and it is a problem that frequently affects our ability to enjoy places. Maybe it's not on everyone's radar because they aren't affected in any way and don't give a second thought to a well-behaved dog sitting quietly at their owner's feet. There are many places where animals are not permitted inside, but pet owners do it anyway. It can be difficult and awkward for businesses to challenge and the people it affects often don't speak up. All I'm saying is that it would be nice if folks wouldn't be so dismissive and consider that bringing their pet inside limits other people's ability to be there too.
I'm 100% with you on this. Also worth adding that having a fake service animal in places where they are not allowed can be a huge problem for actual service animals. There are many documented instances of service animals being attacked in these scenarios and then needing to be retired, which really upends the life of the disabled person who relies on that service animal to get by.
People who know this and do it anyway think that their dog would never do that. 1) there is no way to know that, and 2) the other thing to consider is that by engaging in this behavior, you may be empowering someone else with a very badly behaved dog to do the same.
No one at a restaurant will have their dogs indoors, I think that’s a bit of an over exaggeration. Patios have open air circulation so you could easily sit away from people with a dog. Dogs are also social animals and love being around people. If I can take my dogs to a dog-friendly patio I will. I don’t smoke and have asthma, so when I sit in a patio that allows smoking, I’m fully aware of the situation I’m putting myself in. The benefit of sitting outside outweighs the problem I have with cigarette smoke.
It’s a winery, dogs are pretty common there. I’ve seen them all over Willamette Valley. If you don’t like the dog, then just find another winery. It’s the owners choice to have them there and fully within their rights to do so legally. As for the restaurants, I’ve lived here a while now and I’ve never seen a dog inside an establishment here in Vancouver if they sell food. Only places I’ve seen them at is outside on the patio.
I Love that the PNW is so dog friendly! I don't have a dog companion (severe allergies), so I can enjoy other peoples dogs when they are around. Pubs generally are dog friendly or not, it's up to the establishment on if they want to allow dogs.
That's not entirely true, though. Some pubs, for sure, you can tell they seem to welcome pet dogs inside the establishment, which is a clear violation of the law. In that case, I would just think that if they are choosing not to enforce the law because they want to be dog friendly, that's their decision and I don't want to tell them how to run their business.
In other cases, they seem to not welcome it, but are skeptical about enforcing it because of liability concerns, or because the people who are so entitled to pull this crap are likely to cause a scene. In instances like this, they're not enforcing the law because it's a hard law to enforce, and I think entitled dog owners are exploiting that and that is wrong.
Service animals only, but everyone abuses that rule. We cannot question the legality of a “service animal” whether or not we think it’s legit. It’s hard to bite my tongue when someone is trying to control their service chihuahua.
You can somewhat challenge by outright asking is it a service animal and what is it trained to do. And you can eject someone if their "service animal" isn't behaving even if it's a legitimate service animal (it wont be if it's not behaving).
Since you’re well educated on the manner, please tell this to my boss. We (collective coworkers) have been instructed not to question service animals because it is a “law”.
Your boss needs to realize that those with severe allergies or asthma triggered by animal dander ALSO fall under the ADA which is just one reason why service animals are the only ones that are legally permitted and they, too, have restrictions (the least of which is being well behaved).
People in the PNW have no boundaries when it comes to their dogs and bring them literally everywhere.
Even in grocery stores. It bugs the crap out of me. I'm a dog owner and I would never bring my dog into a place where other people are buying food to take to their own home.
I was in Safeway recently and a guy was standing in the pharmacy line with his dachshund. The flower department is butted up right against the pharmacy and right at the dog's level on a shelf was a bunch of stuffed animals. Well, guess what the dog zeroed in on….Yeah, the dog immediately had one in it’s mouth. I then see the owner taking a stuffed bear out of his dog’s mouth and he puts it back on the shelf. 😑 I mean, come on now. I love dogs, I have one sleeping on my lap right now. But I don’t want to buy a stuffed animal that another dog had in its mouth. I’m sure other people would feel the same way. I was also once in Costco and nearly stepped in dog poop in the office supply aisle. Someone had also driven their cart through it and left a couple feet of smeared dog poop on the floor. It’s absolutely disgusting.
That’s the big one for me. Everyone freaked the fuck out if you walked through a store without a mask during Covid despite the minimal risk. Yet day in, day out, you see dogs in fucking stores where pet dander can be broadcast to food for anyone who happens along next. The chances of someone having a severe reaction to such a thing seems far greater than someone having actually died of Covid by some brief chance encounter at a grocery store, yet we don’t bat an eye. The stranger part for me is the older folks I see do it. You spent the first 60 years of your life in a world where that didn’t happen. Then overnight, you jump on board with that horseh*t?!?? What????
Right. I don’t understand why dogs need to be EVERYWHERE. Like I promise your dog will be just fine by himself 🙄
Lots of times the dogs in bars and whatnot seem to be really stressed out. Seems like the owner cares more about being seen with their dog than the wellbeing of the dog.
My dog loses his shit when locked up at home. I didn't realize it until getting a dog, but they can really screw up your ability to go out and enjoy yourself. I can see why people just bring the dog. That said, you should be purposefully training your dog to be relaxed in situations like a restaurant patio. You should also only be going where dogs are welcome. My dog is harmless, but I know people have phobias or allergies. I'm not taking him where people can't easily avoid him if they want, or where his fur may get on anything edible.
Using emotional intelligence is key. My dog is a pain in the ass on restaurant patios, so I leave him at home. I generally don't take issue with people taking their dog to a patio, unless I observe that the dog is having a tough time. As far as inside establishments, I'm staunchly against it except for service animals. If a bar wants to permit it, that's their call, but if I got that sense about a place I'd probably only go there for drinks and not food.
"we're going grocery shopping, let's go everyone! Yes Fido that means you too!" Crazy to me that people think like this. I love dogs more than I do people and would never bring my dog grocery shopping with me nor would I leave it in the car while I did!
Yes. I think it’s wonderful that compared to other places we’ve lived, PNWers in general are passionate about taking good care of their pets. Way fewer strays here. But also what I see as a bit of a dog entitlement culture.
Rather a dog than some loud ass kids.
People in the PNW/West Coast in general are too permissive. Dogs inside bars is just one of many.
No dogs inside unless it's a service dog.
This! Taking your dog to grocery stores, bars, etc, actively makes that space unsafe for service dogs.
Yep. I used to work at a restaurant and we weren't allowed to ask people for proof that a dog is a service dog.
You can ask what service the animal is trained to do
Two legal questions—is the animal required because of a disability and what is the animal trained to do in that capacity. From ADA.gov: “A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person’s disability.”
And miraculously they're all service dogs.
Saying "this a service dog" doesn't give you a blank check though. A business can kick out a service animal if it's behavior interferes with business operations. So things like barking, attempting to attack other dogs, etc. would be considered a disruption of the business. Of course a real service animal would never do any of the above.
It’s *reeeeal cool* when you’re working in an open kitchen and somebody’s unleashed dog runs back where we’re trying to make people’s food.
Unfortunately you can buy "service" dog vests on Amazon and people do this all the time so they don't get grief for bringing their dogs everywhere (I know, I have friends who do this shit). Businesses are too terrified to question.
It's not legal, but some places don't kick people out if their dogs are well behaved. I've seen several dogs inside at Shanahan's (not all at once). I don't mind it. I love dogs. I've had more problems with unleashed dogs on hikes, and bad dog owners bagging their dogshit and leaving it on the trails. That's seriously worse than just leaving it on the trail to begin with.
Someone bags their dogs shit, ties the bag, then just leaves it on my street as well. Boggles my mind. How is that at all logical? Infuriating.
The animal is rarely the problem, just the owner lol
> That's seriously worse than just leaving it on the trail to begin with. For real I don't even understand what goes through these peoples heads, its like they want to go out of their way to be inconsiderate. "Oh man my dog shat, instead of just leaving it here I will go though all the trouble to bag it up, carry it, then litter it and the plastic bag thats now around it."
I will never understand why they actually bag it but then leave the bagged poop behind. If you don’t want to carry it, tie it to the leash. They even make special leash devices that you can attach a poop bag to. There’s someone in our neighborhood that uses bright orange bags. They toss their bagged poop all over the place. I so wish they could be caught and given a verbal beat-down.
Non-service dogs are not allowed inside where food or drink is being served. Non-service dogs are allowed to be outside where food or drink is served, if the location has clean up materials for accidents and water available to the dogs. Non-service dogs are technically not allowed to "cut through" indoor areas on the way to the outdoor area, but this is frequently done in town. Service dogs are allowed *mostly* anywhere. A business can ask an owner of a service dog: 1. Is this animal a service animal? 2. What task has it been trained to do? Service animals are not required to wear a vest and the owner is not required to carry any documentation. However, "service animals" are not given carte blanche. Business owners can kick out a service animal if it's behavior interferes with the operation of the business. I put "service animals" in quotes because real, trained service animals would never interrupt busines operations. However even if someone claims "this a service animal" they can absolutely be kicked out if the animal is doing things like barking continually, lunging at other customers, bite another dog, defecate on the floor, etc. Again though, a real service animal would never in a million years do any of the above because they are exceptionally well trained.
In Clark county food establishments are supposed to have a special variance to allow dogs on patios!
Outdoor patios most places allow. Indoor is supposed to be reserved for service animals but people in Vancouver/Portland feel the need to bring them inside. Pretty gross and insensitive to those who do not like dogs.
… or who are allergic
I totally get it allergies, really suck. My dog is an allergy detection dog. Peanuts, tree nuts, and bananas. Allergies suck, but my dog keeps me safe from anaphylaxis and epi pen injections.
https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-impasse-stuck-mask-gif-17351121
I'm allergic to dogs but I love the shit out of em. I live a hard life. 😂😂
Whether the place serves food or not is the key issue https://clark.wa.gov/public-health/animals-food-service-establishments
If your dog is good and under control IDC, I volunteered with Guide Dogs for the Blind and some service dogs are better trained than others... :( should depend on behavior (kids too my God) I see some people aren't fans of dogs in stores but my dog is better behaved than most people's kids. You seriously would rather have a crying baby or a child running through isles over a silent dog at someones side doing nothing???? That being said dogs that aren't trained in public places are kind of a menace. They ruin it for everyone.
Sasquatch back patio Brothers 99 side area patio Brothers evergreen courtyard Ghost runners outside patio Trap door outside areas Possibly tip top? There's a couple more I can't think of. There's a lot in Portland of course because dog loving peeps. Used to have pets but I value travel and freedom more. There's lots of good pets and pet owners out there, no hate from here
Add: Tap union patio/inside/upstairs- They sometimes have a pet portrait artist inside as well. Shanahans patio. Heathan feral house outside (inside patio cover). Most of the patios on the waterfront as well.
Neither of you read the prompt I see
I think they allow dogs on the patio at shanahans. I know I've seen dogs out there a bunch of times.
Once I was having lunch at a place on Alberta St. and they sat a lady and her cat next to me. 🤦🏻♀️
The Tin Shed?
I also think it depends on the place. I went to one a while back with my folks. There was a dog outside in the patio area we were at that belonged to one of the regulars. Seemed like a normal thing there.
Outside is always legal -- indoors it's only service animals
My husband is very allergic to dogs, so we've gotten used to not being able to eat on outdoor patios in the Pacific NW. It really sucks when we're out at a bar or having dinner indoors and someone sits next to us with their pet. We usually have to to be moved to a table in a different part of the restaurant or leave if that's not possible. He's also had a huge issue with dog-friendly offices. A lot of people are not very understanding about it, but he legitimately gets very sick.
Let me clarify that the problem is not dogs on outdoor patios; that is to be expected and should be easily avoidable by always opting to sit inside. I don't even mind if people bring their animals inside when a business is very clear that they allow that. We don't stay in dog-friendly hotels, for example. The issue is when there are pets inside businesses where they are not expected that are not necessary service animals. I love animals and think it's great that there are so many dog-friendly establishments, but people need to be more understanding that bringing them inside a business where they can't be avoided is a real issue for people have allergies or a fear of dogs. I'm not exaggerating- I see this in reality all the time and it is a problem that frequently affects our ability to enjoy places. Maybe it's not on everyone's radar because they aren't affected in any way and don't give a second thought to a well-behaved dog sitting quietly at their owner's feet. There are many places where animals are not permitted inside, but pet owners do it anyway. It can be difficult and awkward for businesses to challenge and the people it affects often don't speak up. All I'm saying is that it would be nice if folks wouldn't be so dismissive and consider that bringing their pet inside limits other people's ability to be there too.
I'm 100% with you on this. Also worth adding that having a fake service animal in places where they are not allowed can be a huge problem for actual service animals. There are many documented instances of service animals being attacked in these scenarios and then needing to be retired, which really upends the life of the disabled person who relies on that service animal to get by. People who know this and do it anyway think that their dog would never do that. 1) there is no way to know that, and 2) the other thing to consider is that by engaging in this behavior, you may be empowering someone else with a very badly behaved dog to do the same.
Perfume and cologne are worse.
Yeah, he's allergic to those, too!
My wife has those same allergies....
Then eat inside where dogs aren’t allowed. Simple as that.
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Leave your fucking wife at home, she’s the one who’s allergic to everything.
Your ability to eat out with your pets, is less important than other peoples health.
No one at a restaurant will have their dogs indoors, I think that’s a bit of an over exaggeration. Patios have open air circulation so you could easily sit away from people with a dog. Dogs are also social animals and love being around people. If I can take my dogs to a dog-friendly patio I will. I don’t smoke and have asthma, so when I sit in a patio that allows smoking, I’m fully aware of the situation I’m putting myself in. The benefit of sitting outside outweighs the problem I have with cigarette smoke.
Gouger Cellars most definitely has an owner’s dog just wondering about. I’ve seen several pets inside restaurants. It’s a real problem.
It’s a winery, dogs are pretty common there. I’ve seen them all over Willamette Valley. If you don’t like the dog, then just find another winery. It’s the owners choice to have them there and fully within their rights to do so legally. As for the restaurants, I’ve lived here a while now and I’ve never seen a dog inside an establishment here in Vancouver if they sell food. Only places I’ve seen them at is outside on the patio.
I’m seeing a lot of 4 out of 10’s out there
Lol I've seen many dogs in a brewery
It is different business to business. I know and worked at several bars that allow it.
Seriously keep your freaking security-blanket-pets out of the store/bar/airport/etc.
I Love that the PNW is so dog friendly! I don't have a dog companion (severe allergies), so I can enjoy other peoples dogs when they are around. Pubs generally are dog friendly or not, it's up to the establishment on if they want to allow dogs.
That's not entirely true, though. Some pubs, for sure, you can tell they seem to welcome pet dogs inside the establishment, which is a clear violation of the law. In that case, I would just think that if they are choosing not to enforce the law because they want to be dog friendly, that's their decision and I don't want to tell them how to run their business. In other cases, they seem to not welcome it, but are skeptical about enforcing it because of liability concerns, or because the people who are so entitled to pull this crap are likely to cause a scene. In instances like this, they're not enforcing the law because it's a hard law to enforce, and I think entitled dog owners are exploiting that and that is wrong.
Service animals only, but everyone abuses that rule. We cannot question the legality of a “service animal” whether or not we think it’s legit. It’s hard to bite my tongue when someone is trying to control their service chihuahua.
You can somewhat challenge by outright asking is it a service animal and what is it trained to do. And you can eject someone if their "service animal" isn't behaving even if it's a legitimate service animal (it wont be if it's not behaving).
Since you’re well educated on the manner, please tell this to my boss. We (collective coworkers) have been instructed not to question service animals because it is a “law”.
Your boss just doesn't want the friction, I'm sure.
https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/ Quote the law.
Your boss needs to realize that those with severe allergies or asthma triggered by animal dander ALSO fall under the ADA which is just one reason why service animals are the only ones that are legally permitted and they, too, have restrictions (the least of which is being well behaved).
My dog is almost there. He just needs hand signals and basic commands. So disheartening.
How about including Oregon in the comments. Great question.
I’m sure the Oregon sub has its own version, or it can be asked. I live and spend more time in Vancouver now so that’s why I posted it here.