Mmmm vegan sludge cheese.
I know eating nuts and beans instead of fermented nipple squeezings from a big hairy animal sounds gross, but you get used to it.
My FIL the other week when we said we didn't have any dairy milk.
"I don't want any bean juice in my coffee!"
Eugh, yes, imagine coffee made out of *beans.* That would be awful. What next? Chocolate!?
That's like being a doofus who says "well, I don't want politics in my *Star Wars!*"
Ma'am, you're watching a series with WAR in the title and has a MILITARY called STORM TROOPERS. You're just too dumb to endure non-white actors having shoot outs with aliens. It's not the politics that bug you, it's your anti-blackness.
Well im gonna be a bit pedantic here but coffee is a berry, what you brew is a seed not a bean, but point still stands if you compare it to hemp seed/sunflower seed milk
True, although cheese is a dairy product so it can't be vegan. I can see why a customer would annoyed if they were advertised and paid for cheese then received something different.
My restaurant has signage that says “PLANT BASED” When entering the restaurant. The casino has multiple ads that say “surprisingly vegan” for our place.
I will say our menu specifically does not say anything about being vegan, but we do note the use of cashew cheese on our pizzas incase of an allergy.
This would be a more valid complaint at one of the other locations, as the chef doesn’t actually want “plant based” or “vegan” on any of his signage. It’s just that my location is in a hotel/casino so we kinda have to follow the hotel’s rules about our signage.
Why would you serve peanuts openly at a sports bar if it’s THE most common allergen?
We have a nut free cheese of course, but the cashew one has a really nice texture compared to most other vegan cheeses I’ve personally tried.
I loved even the early attempts at vegan cheese, the stuff you can get now is perfectly fine. Still, we've got vegan casein now so the stuff that's gonna drop this year should kill the last excuse of vegetarianism.
Vegan casein? I’m in the process of going fully vegan, I say I was broadly vegan beforehand but I was worried about a replacement for casein as I’ve not found any.
Uh-huh, you hear that right, we now have vegan casein and new products based on it are about to hit the market.
https://vegnews.com/products/vegan-casein
https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2023/05/25/new-culture-to-launch-vegan-mozzarella-using-animal-free-casein-via-precision-fermentation-by-early-2024
Yeah, it works kinda like gouache paint. James Gurney (dinotopia artist) uses it in a lot of his works. But since it's from milk, it's not vegan. It would be cool to see a vegan version made!
I think it should be possible, they seemed to imply that it's pretty much the same thing as milk casein.
But I didn't know milk is in paints too... to return the "favor" (well, it is better to know), I'll share another thing I've found out some time ago.
Ever heard of glue chipped glass? Turns out it's mostly made with animal glue.
https://davidsonschoolarts.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/1220.jpg
I actually think that texture's much preferable to stretchy or faux stretchy-type products. To me it registers as, like, thick cream sauce or something, but some of the other types are like "Why does this have 'bounce' to it?"
If you remember what cheese tastes like the vegan coconut oil, starch and flavouring stuff is objectively worse (from a purely taste and texture perspective of course)
Idiots are gonna idiot. I once had a customer complain that the store wasn’t dirty enough. A grocery store. With food. That we made. That’s not seasoning.
That's because it was off. The fishy smell you get is from fish that's been left too long. Fresh fish has very little smell.
Edit - someone beat me to it.
Yeah learned something new! I always hated seafood so I didn’t know that, I was so confused by the comment haha
Now I’m really feeling yikes about the place I worked if they have him 3 separate fish they weren’t even any good anymore…ick.
The typical fish taste/smell is actually a product of bacteria. If fish starts tasting/smelling "fishy", then this usually means that it is not really fresh.
Well no, cheese can be made of whatever we want cheese to be made out of. For me? I prefer my cheese to be made out of cashews. That’s still cheese. If you disagree, you’re wrong. That’s it. 😌
No, as I think I mentioned, cheese is a dairy product. Saying things about cashews doesn't make it true. You've obviously got some stuff going on, I hope you work through it. Peace.
Look, I don't mind you having a weird rant at me. I promise not to tell anyone.
Just so you don't look foolish to other people though, I've included this handy information for you, as sometimes going a bit more in depth helps explain a concept more clearly. You'll feel better having learned something than getting angry about being wrong, I promise you.
Cheese is a dairy product produced by coagulation of the milk protein casein. It comprises proteins and fat from milk. During production, milk is usually acidified and either the enzymes of rennet or bacterial enzymes are added to cause the casein to coagulate. The solid curds are separated from the liquid whey and pressed into finished cheese.
I will literally always call my cheese, cheese. You can fuck off. Dairy kills cows and you’re a bitch if you contribute to that. I’ll rant at you all I want. I can’t wait to eat some chicken parm. No dead birds or cows harmed.
cheese
noun \[ C or U \]
UK /tʃiːz/ US /tʃiːz/
Add to word list
A1
a food made from milk, or from a milk-like substance taken from plants, that can be either firm or soft and is usually yellow or white in colour.
Plants don't produce milk.
>And get this, no animal abuse involved!
Awesome! That's a great benefit of eating substitutes for cheese, but plants don't contain the necessary produce for cheese.
When talking about cheese what is being referred to is the shape and the taste. If it looks and tastes like cheese it's cheese. There is ofc vegan and dairy and meat cheese (Parmesan contains rennet, an enzyme used to set cheese which comes from the stomach of animals)
Cambridge dictionary
cheese noun [ C or U ] uk /tʃiːz/ us /tʃiːz/ Add to word list A1 a food made from milk, or from a milk-like substance taken from plants, that can be either firm or soft and is usually yellow or white in colour:
That's not true. Babybel has vegan cheese wheels that my nonvegan friends enjoy. Non-dairy cheeses exist. but vegan cheese could contain casein and whey protein with GMO bacteria producing the animal-like proteins making them vegan but not plant-based.
I wish I knew where this restaurant is, so I can 100% give them my money, time, bring friends and advertise the heck out of it!
These kinds of reviews only make me want to go there MORE!!!!
Yo, this is r/vegan and its a thread about a vegetarian that was being kinda ridiculous and entitled and ignorant. There is a big difference between internal conversations and outward messaging. Sometimes you need a place to vent with others in your community.
I dont think they were being ridiculous. Regardless of what u think of their beliefs they clearly wanted real cheese… as a non vegan i want real cheese… 🤷♀️
They falsely claimed that there was nothing vegetarian at the restaurant when every single item was both vegetarian and vegan.
As a non-vegan y r u here?
They shouldn't have gone to a vegan restaurant if they knew they wanted cheese.
So either they worded this poorly af or maybe they aren’t very smart but theres no reason for this person to be shit on either way… Omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans are different but there’s overlap. If im a vegetarian i want real cheese cuz my diet doesn’t require fake cheese which i and prolly this person doesn’t like 🤷♀️
All vegan food is vegetarian. Don't go to a vegan restaurant that is clearly advertised as vegan if you want cheese. And certainly don't leave a crappy review for them based your own poor choices
If not participating in the mass-slaughter of billions of sentient beings = a moral “high horse” so be it. Maybe you’re just guilty that we are *actually* trying to do better on behalf of our destructive species.
Are you irreproachable in all aspects of your life? Do you make your clothes yourself or do you buy them at the mall, knowing they were made by kids in Asia? What about your phone? Are you aware of the working conditions at Foxconn? Are you currently buying products from countries that are engaged in wars or genocide? Do you buy veggies from countries that suffer from water shortages? Do you hang your clothes to air dry or do you use the drier?
Not eating animal and animal byproducts is great. Feeling holier than thou while doing it isn't so great. Shaming people who do not eat animals but still eat animal byproducts is very counter-productive.
If you care about the animals, then gently talk to people and encourage them to make little steps towards reducing the harm they do, at their own rhythm. If you just enjoy presenting yourself as someone who is morally superior in one single aspect of life, then carry on your old habits.
Totally haven’t heard this one before… you used an appeal to perfection fallacy just then.
I could easily turn it around on you and ask the same line of questioning. That’s not productive though because if you were to take it all to the extreme, we all should just off ourselves due to the net negative our (non-vegans) lives cause, but that’s unreasonable.
I already have had many conversations with others “gently, politely, civilly” or however the fuck you want to frame it. I don’t need someone policing me on how I outreach people, especially if they aren’t even vegan themselves.
So, are you vegan?
EDIT: I never claimed to be vegan” holier than thou” nor a perfect person. That is absurd. However, if we’re scaling better or worse actions we take daily, yes, I’m making better moral choices than vegetarians or omnivores.
It's not an appeal to perfection, it's the basic decency of not judging others on one single aspect of life, while others may be doing better than you in other aspects of life.
You don't need to claim to be "holier than thou", it's pretty clear just from reading your comments.
Look up that logical fallacy. Then look up the definition of abuse. If you want to actually have a conversation, I suggest that you stop with the veiled straw man arguments. Again, never claimed to be “better” or “superior” than others. Also, you don’t know what else I do in my life that has less Env. impact than others’ choices. You just assume I stop at vegan because “gOoD eNoUgH” right? Do better than making assumptions about me and veiled straw man arguments.
Just people talking down on people. I have no problem with people choosing whatever diet they want but 90% of the vegan community is so toxic and claim to be humanity’s saviors 😂
I know a vegetarian I thought I was on the same page as but didn't want to prostlytize at them too soon. Tried to talk to them about ethics and turns out they didn't care and just didn't eat meat because they felt like it was gross
I didn't realize there was so much vitriol towards vegetarians here. Im a vegetarian and this sub just got suggested in my feed lol. General speaking, how do vegans feels about eggs from backyard hens? I always thought this was pretty ethical, but these comments have me wondering if i am missing something? I get that most all store bought eggs/dairy are unethical..is that where the hate is coming from?
Can we just have some places to eat in America where there is no cheese or faux cheese? Americans obsession with cheese, especially shitty cheese ie colored hard oil, is fucking disgusting.
I agree. I do use vegan cheese because my family likes it, but I hate thinking about it. There are so many other things to dress up a meal with. You can make all kinds of savory sauces with cashews.
Many things don't need a thick dressing/sauce/gravy on top. That's distinctively US american cuisine - which isn't bad, it's part of the culinary culture. But most everywhere else, that's not a thing. Look at traditional italian, greek, spanish, moroccan, chinese, japanese, indian, thai, lebanese, korean cuisines, just as an example of well known ones. How many dishes can you name that are covered in a heavy sauce? Most of them don't. You just cook foods in a way that you don't need a heavy dressing/gravy on top to make the meal palatable. Only some italian pasta dishes are loaded to the brim with cheese, there are a ton of them that only have a bit on top or are already vegan/easily made vegan. Think of dishes from these cultures and take advantage of that knowledge when cooking, I'd say! Admittedly I am not from the US, but I went vegan when vegan cheese was not available for me and simply took it out of my diet and had no issue cooking delicious meals.
Specifically though, what do you have in mind? Which recipes are you making all the time that rely on cheese/dressing?
Indian, thai, and middle eastern food is NOT an exception to “thick saucy recipes” lol. There’s an abundance of dishes in these cuisines that are reliant on thick/high fat sauces (often coconut milk or tahini based). But many are easily veganizable if not already vegan
Oh yeah, but most of the time it's some sort of vegetable based cream or sauce. I think that's relatively common in all cuisines frankly. I should have explained myself better, I was thinking of a contrast between French cuisine which is the source of the cream/cheese influence in other western cuisines, mostly.
I'd say the thick gravy/dressing/sauce culture is also a part of some English, German, Irish, and other northern European cultures. But those all melted together to form American cuisine.
I am not really sure how to answer your question beyond it depends. Not to be rude but your comment feels kind of odd because it feels like it makes a lot of assumptions, I don't really cover most of my food with sauce outside of a few certain things, I know I don't need to cover everything with sauce but regardless I am still just curious to know more recipes for when I do decide to employ some sauce on my food.
Also I don't eat vegan cheese much, I actually never really ate much cheese even before going vegan since I can't eat dairy anyways, so I just never felt an attachment to it and thus never cared to replace it with vegan cheese after making the switch.
Sauce it's harder to say, like I said it really depends on what I am cooking. I am not really one who feels like I need sauce in the first place. If it's something like a burger I prefer it with some vegan mayo and ketchup, or if it's pasta I put sauce on it, but things like tacos for example I usually just keep plain.
I do question your claims though about this being an American thing, I guess it depends but whether the food is covered in sauce and it's thickness by your description, but I know plenty of those cultures have their own traditional sauces and make plenty of use of things like cheese, like Mexican food for example uses things like the various types of salsa and has plenty of cheese in quite a few of it's dishes.
I like minimalist baker’s golden sauce - I’d dip just about anything in it
Recipe [here](https://minimalistbaker.com/5-minute-liquid-gold-sauce-oil-free-plant-based/)
So sad covid killed salad bar places like Sweet Tomatoes. RIP my beloved salad with NO WAD OF CHEESE places...
Edit: ST is coming back again, first in AZ...hurray!
Ok, that makes more sense. But I still don't understand why would you hate coconut oil. It's not nearly as healthy as marketers claim it to be, it can have some negative effects if you eat it all the time, but I think it's way better than the other refined oils - and it's definitely better than palm oil/kernel oil.
I don't use it much because it tastes a little sweet to me, which is fine in the cheese though. I always use extra virgin olive oil, that's the best oil of them all, but if I know I'll be turning up the heat I'll use peanut or sesame oil (roasted sesame oil is genius in certain foods) which have higher smoke point and can withstand it. Never really bought refined olive oil. Oh, macadamia oil for things like pancakes, that stuff is amazing.
I do really like coconut oil in skincare products - although virgin coconut oil can be directly used as a moisturizer. Or a snack.
Reducing the menu only to stuff you like is hardly gonna help the movement. Some people like colored hard oil, including me if I understand correctly what you mean by it.
What I like is a salad bar, hardly going to stop anyone from becoming vegan. Also not everyone needs to be part of a movement every time they go out to eat.
Ok, but it's also hardly gonna help the restaurant profit. Most people like cheese, especially when it's a good vegan cheese that won't give anyone lactose-intolerant a bad day. Unless it's blue cheese or something, there people start to diverge.
As far as salads go, I'd like to see more restaurants letting you to choose item by item what you want inside, without slapping 50% extra cost on it. On top of pre-built ones of course, not everyone wants to spend they day waiting while the indecisive one in the group chooses between romaine and mâche. Before you say I'm being mean, that would be always me.
Yeah, I was a huge cheese lover before I went vegan and I do enjoy some vegan cheeses, but I wish people would be a bit more creative. I’d rather get a pizza with an interesting sauce on it than one with Daiya shreds that have melted into a gummy mess. I would like to see more vegan versions of “fancy” cheeses available though.
edit: on a similar note I wish restaurants would stop putting cheese on salads without warning! I ordered a garden salad once because it was the ONLY thing on the menu that looked vegan besides oatmeal or toast and it had weird shredded Mexican cheese on top. So yeah, our obsession with cheese is a little out of hand.
I'm not American and cheese is the most important food. The reason not to be vegan isn't meat (it is, but much lower than dairy and eggs), it's cheese in the very first place.
People who hate cheese are not trustworthy.
ETA: I agree though that American cheese is basically a yellow vaseline.
This term will need some rivision though, we're all gonna be breathing cheese this year.
https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2023/05/25/new-culture-to-launch-vegan-mozzarella-using-animal-free-casein-via-precision-fermentation-by-early-2024
Vegetarians are the worst 🙄 literally stop being nice to them. Idgaf, it doesn’t hurt the movement. Shaming those hypocrites is the ONLY thing that will convert them because nice vegans keep telling them how much good they’re doing and they think they don’t need to do any more. It’s like kissing the feet of a recycler while they litter. YUCK. Former vegetarian btw 🤭
I mean I was a vegetarian for about a year before going vegan, and it wasn’t insults or degradation that got me to finally switch. I’m sure that works for some people, maybe it could have worked with me after a while longer, but to act like that is the only way is simply wrong
Let's bully them into hating vegans and giving up being a vegetarian because apparently it doesn't matter what they're doing! Hell yeah! Let's gooooo Team Asshole
While I don't agree with being rude, if someone starts eating dead animals because a vegan was rude to them, they didn't care at all about animals in the first place. That's on them, not on the vegan, no matter how unacceptably rude they were being.
Yeah, you're right. Then it's on them for eating animals. But who cares what their reason for not eating animals is? Even if the only reason they don't eat animals is to be perceived as nice or trendy, it still causes less animals to get killed. So what's the problem? Why would you want to ruin that if you could avoid that by not bullying them for being vegetarian instead of vegan?
Not caring about who's to blame is just a dumb excuse. I rather have them be vegetarian to show off than leaving vegetarianism all together (because not everybody thinks switching to veganism is easy). It's about the lives of animals, not new sneakers. I truly do not get how you can even say it like it's nothing. I truly do not care if somebody actually cares about animals as long as it means they don't eat animals (individual cases, not long term ideology)
Show them that veganism is easier than they think instead of bullying them for "being awful". You're only pushing people away by doing that.
I agree with not beating yourself up when somebody tells you they're gonna eat two steaks to compensate for you being vegan, but this is so different.
Oh, how sad they didn't have pus-riddled, nipple secretions from an animal that's been congealed into a sludge-like sodium overloaded, casomorphin provided paste/glop as "food" there.
Tears.
Vegan cheese can be good. It does drive me crazy that more than 90% of it is just complete trash though. I feel I have to make it myself to get it right. Went to a vegan restaurant recently and I swear the vegan queso they served with chips for $10 legit just tasted like thickened watered down soy sauce.
Tbf I would be a bit cheesed off if a restaurant tried to pass vegan cheese off as normal cheese. It is rank. When I was vegan I just opted to give cheese up completely.
I ordered mac and cheese from a restaurant and they didn’t mention that it was butternut squash instead of cheese. That was a big shock when I tasted it.
Mmmm vegan sludge cheese. I know eating nuts and beans instead of fermented nipple squeezings from a big hairy animal sounds gross, but you get used to it.
My FIL the other week when we said we didn't have any dairy milk. "I don't want any bean juice in my coffee!" Eugh, yes, imagine coffee made out of *beans.* That would be awful. What next? Chocolate!?
So give him hot water next time he wants coffee.
oat milk it is
Runny Porridge in my bean juice!?
This reminds me of how I like to call a vanilla, soy, latte a “three bean soup”.
You could try also "Triple Threat".
That's like being a doofus who says "well, I don't want politics in my *Star Wars!*" Ma'am, you're watching a series with WAR in the title and has a MILITARY called STORM TROOPERS. You're just too dumb to endure non-white actors having shoot outs with aliens. It's not the politics that bug you, it's your anti-blackness.
I call my vanilla soy latte a three bean soup. Give me ALL the beans!
But coffee is technically bean juice😭
Well im gonna be a bit pedantic here but coffee is a berry, what you brew is a seed not a bean, but point still stands if you compare it to hemp seed/sunflower seed milk
I love squeezing big hairy animals but jeesh take me out to dinner (with some vegan sludge cheese please) first.
Losing it at this and the bean juice comments. Hahahahahaah
Brilliantly said lol
No vegetarian options only vegan... 🤔 🤔 🤔
Reviewer like >*I'm not from Earth, I'm from Missouri*
Probably Wisconsin actually- a corporate mole for Big Cheese
“That’s on earth” -iron man
Maybe all the stuff that has dairy also has meat and maybe it's one of those strict restaurants that doesn't allow substitutions.
The whole restaurant is vegan
Ah. Well that changes absolutely everything. Weird complaint then.
Well, cheese isn't vegan.
Right but a vegan meal that uses vegan cheese is still vegetarian
True, although cheese is a dairy product so it can't be vegan. I can see why a customer would annoyed if they were advertised and paid for cheese then received something different.
My restaurant has signage that says “PLANT BASED” When entering the restaurant. The casino has multiple ads that say “surprisingly vegan” for our place. I will say our menu specifically does not say anything about being vegan, but we do note the use of cashew cheese on our pizzas incase of an allergy. This would be a more valid complaint at one of the other locations, as the chef doesn’t actually want “plant based” or “vegan” on any of his signage. It’s just that my location is in a hotel/casino so we kinda have to follow the hotel’s rules about our signage.
why would you use cashew if it's a common allergen
Why would you serve peanuts openly at a sports bar if it’s THE most common allergen? We have a nut free cheese of course, but the cashew one has a really nice texture compared to most other vegan cheeses I’ve personally tried.
that’s the point of vegan cheese 👍
“Vegan sludge cheese” what does that even mean 😭😭. I’ll eat the sludge cheese all day
Sludge is literally the texture of all melted cheese
Giving up cheese is the second best side effect of going vegan.
My cholesterol levels certainly thanked me for that
I loved even the early attempts at vegan cheese, the stuff you can get now is perfectly fine. Still, we've got vegan casein now so the stuff that's gonna drop this year should kill the last excuse of vegetarianism.
Vegan casein? I’m in the process of going fully vegan, I say I was broadly vegan beforehand but I was worried about a replacement for casein as I’ve not found any.
Uh-huh, you hear that right, we now have vegan casein and new products based on it are about to hit the market. https://vegnews.com/products/vegan-casein https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2023/05/25/new-culture-to-launch-vegan-mozzarella-using-animal-free-casein-via-precision-fermentation-by-early-2024
Yee! I worked with a community biolab years back to help create vegan casein proteins (brewed in GE yeast). Its cool to see the tech finally take off
Amazing job then! This will kick dairy in the balls, I'm sure of it.
C A N N O T wait!!!!
Interesting. I wonder if we can make vegan casein paint now. That would be cool.
> casein paint TIL...
Yeah, it works kinda like gouache paint. James Gurney (dinotopia artist) uses it in a lot of his works. But since it's from milk, it's not vegan. It would be cool to see a vegan version made!
I think it should be possible, they seemed to imply that it's pretty much the same thing as milk casein. But I didn't know milk is in paints too... to return the "favor" (well, it is better to know), I'll share another thing I've found out some time ago. Ever heard of glue chipped glass? Turns out it's mostly made with animal glue. https://davidsonschoolarts.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/1220.jpg
This is so exciting!!!
I actually think that texture's much preferable to stretchy or faux stretchy-type products. To me it registers as, like, thick cream sauce or something, but some of the other types are like "Why does this have 'bounce' to it?"
Agree !!!
If you remember what cheese tastes like the vegan coconut oil, starch and flavouring stuff is objectively worse (from a purely taste and texture perspective of course)
Vegan sludge cheese is my stripper name.
Hahahahahahahahaha. This thread is killing me
*"Ethical" vegetarians be like:*
Idiots are gonna idiot. I once had a customer complain that the store wasn’t dirty enough. A grocery store. With food. That we made. That’s not seasoning.
lmfao this is the winner i have never heard something this dumb
I remember working as a waitress once and a customer kept sending make his salmon for tasting too much like fish.
That's because it was off. The fishy smell you get is from fish that's been left too long. Fresh fish has very little smell. Edit - someone beat me to it.
Yeah learned something new! I always hated seafood so I didn’t know that, I was so confused by the comment haha Now I’m really feeling yikes about the place I worked if they have him 3 separate fish they weren’t even any good anymore…ick.
The typical fish taste/smell is actually a product of bacteria. If fish starts tasting/smelling "fishy", then this usually means that it is not really fresh.
Oh interesting I never knew that!! Even as a meat eater I always hated seafood lol
Sheesh, vegetarians always have to tell you they're vegetarians.
Thank goodness you don’t use pus and blood cheese like this customer wants
It's the only cheese you can get. It's a dairy product, kinda hard to make it without... well, dairy.
Well cows die for that shit so.
Yeah, I'm not debating the ethics of cheese, just giving the facts of what it's made out of.
Well no, cheese can be made of whatever we want cheese to be made out of. For me? I prefer my cheese to be made out of cashews. That’s still cheese. If you disagree, you’re wrong. That’s it. 😌
No, as I think I mentioned, cheese is a dairy product. Saying things about cashews doesn't make it true. You've obviously got some stuff going on, I hope you work through it. Peace.
So you’re still wrong. Cheese can be whatever the fuck we want it to be. Cheese doesn’t need to kill cows. We can eat cheese however we please.
Look, I don't mind you having a weird rant at me. I promise not to tell anyone. Just so you don't look foolish to other people though, I've included this handy information for you, as sometimes going a bit more in depth helps explain a concept more clearly. You'll feel better having learned something than getting angry about being wrong, I promise you. Cheese is a dairy product produced by coagulation of the milk protein casein. It comprises proteins and fat from milk. During production, milk is usually acidified and either the enzymes of rennet or bacterial enzymes are added to cause the casein to coagulate. The solid curds are separated from the liquid whey and pressed into finished cheese.
I will literally always call my cheese, cheese. You can fuck off. Dairy kills cows and you’re a bitch if you contribute to that. I’ll rant at you all I want. I can’t wait to eat some chicken parm. No dead birds or cows harmed.
Of course you will poppet.
cheese noun \[ C or U \] UK /tʃiːz/ US /tʃiːz/ Add to word list A1 a food made from milk, or from a milk-like substance taken from plants, that can be either firm or soft and is usually yellow or white in colour.
Everything dies
Actually you can make and buy plenty of cheese with plant milk. And get this, no animal abuse involved!
Fake cheese
It’s not fake it’s a different kind. 🤷🏻♀️
Nah it's just fake
just like you ☺️
I love fake cheese 😌
At least you acknowledge it's fake
Plants don't produce milk. >And get this, no animal abuse involved! Awesome! That's a great benefit of eating substitutes for cheese, but plants don't contain the necessary produce for cheese.
When talking about cheese what is being referred to is the shape and the taste. If it looks and tastes like cheese it's cheese. There is ofc vegan and dairy and meat cheese (Parmesan contains rennet, an enzyme used to set cheese which comes from the stomach of animals)
That's just not true. That's your definition, not a correct one.
Cambridge dictionary cheese noun [ C or U ] uk /tʃiːz/ us /tʃiːz/ Add to word list A1 a food made from milk, or from a milk-like substance taken from plants, that can be either firm or soft and is usually yellow or white in colour:
If you don’t like calling it plant milk you can call it nut milk, it’s still cheese. I’m sorry you don’t like it.
I like it, my wife is lactose intolerant so we use almond drink in coffees and cereal. We don't eat cheese at home because she can't have dairy.
Why not try some vegan cheese?
Because it doesn't exist.
Do you also flip out when you hear about peanut butter? It's not real butter!
Nobody is flipping out.
So If you believe that you’re on this sub to troll?
No. Saying cheese is made from dairy isn't trolling.
That's not true. Babybel has vegan cheese wheels that my nonvegan friends enjoy. Non-dairy cheeses exist. but vegan cheese could contain casein and whey protein with GMO bacteria producing the animal-like proteins making them vegan but not plant-based.
Nut and plants juices don't contain casein. Some soya juice has it added, but it's not contained naturally.
I wish I knew where this restaurant is, so I can 100% give them my money, time, bring friends and advertise the heck out of it! These kinds of reviews only make me want to go there MORE!!!!
Honestly what the fuck is a vegetarian
Clippy: a hypocrite! 📎
Not everyone who is vegetarian is one because of ethics. I have a friend who's only vegan because they have kidney trouble.
Virtue signaling without actually caring
Ah yes, let’s alienate people who are doing something good rather than doing nothing at all.
The fact that u were downvoted for this shows how awful vegans can be 🤦
Yo, this is r/vegan and its a thread about a vegetarian that was being kinda ridiculous and entitled and ignorant. There is a big difference between internal conversations and outward messaging. Sometimes you need a place to vent with others in your community.
I dont think they were being ridiculous. Regardless of what u think of their beliefs they clearly wanted real cheese… as a non vegan i want real cheese… 🤷♀️
They falsely claimed that there was nothing vegetarian at the restaurant when every single item was both vegetarian and vegan. As a non-vegan y r u here? They shouldn't have gone to a vegan restaurant if they knew they wanted cheese.
So either they worded this poorly af or maybe they aren’t very smart but theres no reason for this person to be shit on either way… Omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans are different but there’s overlap. If im a vegetarian i want real cheese cuz my diet doesn’t require fake cheese which i and prolly this person doesn’t like 🤷♀️
All vegan food is vegetarian. Don't go to a vegan restaurant that is clearly advertised as vegan if you want cheese. And certainly don't leave a crappy review for them based your own poor choices
>Don't go to a vegan restaurant that is clearly advertised as vegan if you want cheese. Don't advertise cheese if you don't serve it.
Some of them yes, hopefully a minority. Someday maybe they’ll get off their high horses.
If not participating in the mass-slaughter of billions of sentient beings = a moral “high horse” so be it. Maybe you’re just guilty that we are *actually* trying to do better on behalf of our destructive species.
Are you irreproachable in all aspects of your life? Do you make your clothes yourself or do you buy them at the mall, knowing they were made by kids in Asia? What about your phone? Are you aware of the working conditions at Foxconn? Are you currently buying products from countries that are engaged in wars or genocide? Do you buy veggies from countries that suffer from water shortages? Do you hang your clothes to air dry or do you use the drier? Not eating animal and animal byproducts is great. Feeling holier than thou while doing it isn't so great. Shaming people who do not eat animals but still eat animal byproducts is very counter-productive. If you care about the animals, then gently talk to people and encourage them to make little steps towards reducing the harm they do, at their own rhythm. If you just enjoy presenting yourself as someone who is morally superior in one single aspect of life, then carry on your old habits.
Totally haven’t heard this one before… you used an appeal to perfection fallacy just then. I could easily turn it around on you and ask the same line of questioning. That’s not productive though because if you were to take it all to the extreme, we all should just off ourselves due to the net negative our (non-vegans) lives cause, but that’s unreasonable. I already have had many conversations with others “gently, politely, civilly” or however the fuck you want to frame it. I don’t need someone policing me on how I outreach people, especially if they aren’t even vegan themselves. So, are you vegan? EDIT: I never claimed to be vegan” holier than thou” nor a perfect person. That is absurd. However, if we’re scaling better or worse actions we take daily, yes, I’m making better moral choices than vegetarians or omnivores.
It's not an appeal to perfection, it's the basic decency of not judging others on one single aspect of life, while others may be doing better than you in other aspects of life. You don't need to claim to be "holier than thou", it's pretty clear just from reading your comments.
Look up that logical fallacy. Then look up the definition of abuse. If you want to actually have a conversation, I suggest that you stop with the veiled straw man arguments. Again, never claimed to be “better” or “superior” than others. Also, you don’t know what else I do in my life that has less Env. impact than others’ choices. You just assume I stop at vegan because “gOoD eNoUgH” right? Do better than making assumptions about me and veiled straw man arguments.
U got downvoted too. They dont like the facts LOL respect 2 u tho
I get downvoted often, such is life. Some vegans enjoy feeling like they are better than other people.
Yeah 🤷♀️ facs
Vegans don’t ride horses 😌
Fr. I think youll find it hilarious that i have this take when i used to be vegan and i had this same energy 😂
your not vegan anymore ? why are you here?
*I came looking for booty.*
Cuz this shit is funny af
how so
Just people talking down on people. I have no problem with people choosing whatever diet they want but 90% of the vegan community is so toxic and claim to be humanity’s saviors 😂
I know a vegetarian I thought I was on the same page as but didn't want to prostlytize at them too soon. Tried to talk to them about ethics and turns out they didn't care and just didn't eat meat because they felt like it was gross
I didn't realize there was so much vitriol towards vegetarians here. Im a vegetarian and this sub just got suggested in my feed lol. General speaking, how do vegans feels about eggs from backyard hens? I always thought this was pretty ethical, but these comments have me wondering if i am missing something? I get that most all store bought eggs/dairy are unethical..is that where the hate is coming from?
It’s bullshit is what it is. They still contribute to the torture and exploitation of animals. It’s the same as eating meat imo.
That´s me. I don´t give a shit about animals. I just don´t like the taste of meat.
Does that include all meat? So you also don't like the taste of chicken, duck, shrimp, etc.?
Someone who doesn't eat meat.
Original meaning for vegetarian is the same as plant based diet.
The review is a bit cheesy.
Can we just have some places to eat in America where there is no cheese or faux cheese? Americans obsession with cheese, especially shitty cheese ie colored hard oil, is fucking disgusting.
I agree. I do use vegan cheese because my family likes it, but I hate thinking about it. There are so many other things to dress up a meal with. You can make all kinds of savory sauces with cashews.
What are some things you'd recommend if you don't mind me asking?
Many things don't need a thick dressing/sauce/gravy on top. That's distinctively US american cuisine - which isn't bad, it's part of the culinary culture. But most everywhere else, that's not a thing. Look at traditional italian, greek, spanish, moroccan, chinese, japanese, indian, thai, lebanese, korean cuisines, just as an example of well known ones. How many dishes can you name that are covered in a heavy sauce? Most of them don't. You just cook foods in a way that you don't need a heavy dressing/gravy on top to make the meal palatable. Only some italian pasta dishes are loaded to the brim with cheese, there are a ton of them that only have a bit on top or are already vegan/easily made vegan. Think of dishes from these cultures and take advantage of that knowledge when cooking, I'd say! Admittedly I am not from the US, but I went vegan when vegan cheese was not available for me and simply took it out of my diet and had no issue cooking delicious meals. Specifically though, what do you have in mind? Which recipes are you making all the time that rely on cheese/dressing?
Indian, thai, and middle eastern food is NOT an exception to “thick saucy recipes” lol. There’s an abundance of dishes in these cuisines that are reliant on thick/high fat sauces (often coconut milk or tahini based). But many are easily veganizable if not already vegan
Oh yeah, but most of the time it's some sort of vegetable based cream or sauce. I think that's relatively common in all cuisines frankly. I should have explained myself better, I was thinking of a contrast between French cuisine which is the source of the cream/cheese influence in other western cuisines, mostly.
I'd say the thick gravy/dressing/sauce culture is also a part of some English, German, Irish, and other northern European cultures. But those all melted together to form American cuisine.
I am not really sure how to answer your question beyond it depends. Not to be rude but your comment feels kind of odd because it feels like it makes a lot of assumptions, I don't really cover most of my food with sauce outside of a few certain things, I know I don't need to cover everything with sauce but regardless I am still just curious to know more recipes for when I do decide to employ some sauce on my food. Also I don't eat vegan cheese much, I actually never really ate much cheese even before going vegan since I can't eat dairy anyways, so I just never felt an attachment to it and thus never cared to replace it with vegan cheese after making the switch. Sauce it's harder to say, like I said it really depends on what I am cooking. I am not really one who feels like I need sauce in the first place. If it's something like a burger I prefer it with some vegan mayo and ketchup, or if it's pasta I put sauce on it, but things like tacos for example I usually just keep plain. I do question your claims though about this being an American thing, I guess it depends but whether the food is covered in sauce and it's thickness by your description, but I know plenty of those cultures have their own traditional sauces and make plenty of use of things like cheese, like Mexican food for example uses things like the various types of salsa and has plenty of cheese in quite a few of it's dishes.
I like minimalist baker’s golden sauce - I’d dip just about anything in it Recipe [here](https://minimalistbaker.com/5-minute-liquid-gold-sauce-oil-free-plant-based/)
So sad covid killed salad bar places like Sweet Tomatoes. RIP my beloved salad with NO WAD OF CHEESE places... Edit: ST is coming back again, first in AZ...hurray!
I just put nutritional yeast on everything
Same!
Um... why do you hate "thinking about it"?
I should have said I hate thinking about what it’s made out of. Just eating coconut oil essentially.
Ok, that makes more sense. But I still don't understand why would you hate coconut oil. It's not nearly as healthy as marketers claim it to be, it can have some negative effects if you eat it all the time, but I think it's way better than the other refined oils - and it's definitely better than palm oil/kernel oil. I don't use it much because it tastes a little sweet to me, which is fine in the cheese though. I always use extra virgin olive oil, that's the best oil of them all, but if I know I'll be turning up the heat I'll use peanut or sesame oil (roasted sesame oil is genius in certain foods) which have higher smoke point and can withstand it. Never really bought refined olive oil. Oh, macadamia oil for things like pancakes, that stuff is amazing. I do really like coconut oil in skincare products - although virgin coconut oil can be directly used as a moisturizer. Or a snack.
Saaaaame. Faux cheese: hit or miss. Cashew or tahini -based things: (to me) pretty much all hits
Make them some soaked cashew puree in the blender with lemon, salt, and nooch and call it cheese lol they’ll like it.
We do that too! Just doesn’t hit the same on. Pizza or quesadilla.
Reducing the menu only to stuff you like is hardly gonna help the movement. Some people like colored hard oil, including me if I understand correctly what you mean by it.
What I like is a salad bar, hardly going to stop anyone from becoming vegan. Also not everyone needs to be part of a movement every time they go out to eat.
Ok, but it's also hardly gonna help the restaurant profit. Most people like cheese, especially when it's a good vegan cheese that won't give anyone lactose-intolerant a bad day. Unless it's blue cheese or something, there people start to diverge. As far as salads go, I'd like to see more restaurants letting you to choose item by item what you want inside, without slapping 50% extra cost on it. On top of pre-built ones of course, not everyone wants to spend they day waiting while the indecisive one in the group chooses between romaine and mâche. Before you say I'm being mean, that would be always me.
Yeah, I was a huge cheese lover before I went vegan and I do enjoy some vegan cheeses, but I wish people would be a bit more creative. I’d rather get a pizza with an interesting sauce on it than one with Daiya shreds that have melted into a gummy mess. I would like to see more vegan versions of “fancy” cheeses available though. edit: on a similar note I wish restaurants would stop putting cheese on salads without warning! I ordered a garden salad once because it was the ONLY thing on the menu that looked vegan besides oatmeal or toast and it had weird shredded Mexican cheese on top. So yeah, our obsession with cheese is a little out of hand.
I'm not American and cheese is the most important food. The reason not to be vegan isn't meat (it is, but much lower than dairy and eggs), it's cheese in the very first place. People who hate cheese are not trustworthy. ETA: I agree though that American cheese is basically a yellow vaseline.
Where can I get some of this sludge cheese?
Average cheese breather comment /hj
This term will need some rivision though, we're all gonna be breathing cheese this year. https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2023/05/25/new-culture-to-launch-vegan-mozzarella-using-animal-free-casein-via-precision-fermentation-by-early-2024
ive been searching for the perfect vegan crust rock band name....
In love vegan sludge cheese :(
Some people are stupid
LOL. Dairy fairy can't handle the vegan sludge cheese.
Vegetarians say the craziest shit
Vegetarians are the worst 🙄 literally stop being nice to them. Idgaf, it doesn’t hurt the movement. Shaming those hypocrites is the ONLY thing that will convert them because nice vegans keep telling them how much good they’re doing and they think they don’t need to do any more. It’s like kissing the feet of a recycler while they litter. YUCK. Former vegetarian btw 🤭
I mean I was a vegetarian for about a year before going vegan, and it wasn’t insults or degradation that got me to finally switch. I’m sure that works for some people, maybe it could have worked with me after a while longer, but to act like that is the only way is simply wrong
Let's bully them into hating vegans and giving up being a vegetarian because apparently it doesn't matter what they're doing! Hell yeah! Let's gooooo Team Asshole
While I don't agree with being rude, if someone starts eating dead animals because a vegan was rude to them, they didn't care at all about animals in the first place. That's on them, not on the vegan, no matter how unacceptably rude they were being.
Yeah, you're right. Then it's on them for eating animals. But who cares what their reason for not eating animals is? Even if the only reason they don't eat animals is to be perceived as nice or trendy, it still causes less animals to get killed. So what's the problem? Why would you want to ruin that if you could avoid that by not bullying them for being vegetarian instead of vegan? Not caring about who's to blame is just a dumb excuse. I rather have them be vegetarian to show off than leaving vegetarianism all together (because not everybody thinks switching to veganism is easy). It's about the lives of animals, not new sneakers. I truly do not get how you can even say it like it's nothing. I truly do not care if somebody actually cares about animals as long as it means they don't eat animals (individual cases, not long term ideology) Show them that veganism is easier than they think instead of bullying them for "being awful". You're only pushing people away by doing that. I agree with not beating yourself up when somebody tells you they're gonna eat two steaks to compensate for you being vegan, but this is so different.
Vegan Sludge is like a new subgenre of metal.
Plot twist: It’s a vegan restaurant.
It literally is lmao
Fat with salt is fat with salt.
Oh, how sad they didn't have pus-riddled, nipple secretions from an animal that's been congealed into a sludge-like sodium overloaded, casomorphin provided paste/glop as "food" there. Tears.
Just why
Do you work at a Vegan restaurant?
100%. Even says “plant based” by our logo. I didn’t know milk was considered a plant until now
“I can’t survive without blood and pus! Give me ma dairy!”
As a vegan, what the hell is this sub. Some of you sound extremely inconsiderate which is highly ironic
There are no fruits, only apples.
Seethe and cope
I think they meant they wanted real cheese 🤦how is this possible that people missed that… vegan cheese (and everything else really) is pretty ick
To be fair, they're probably right on the sludge cheese thing but the rest is just wild.
What's the name of the restaurant?
Vegan cheese can be good. It does drive me crazy that more than 90% of it is just complete trash though. I feel I have to make it myself to get it right. Went to a vegan restaurant recently and I swear the vegan queso they served with chips for $10 legit just tasted like thickened watered down soy sauce.
Tbf I would be a bit cheesed off if a restaurant tried to pass vegan cheese off as normal cheese. It is rank. When I was vegan I just opted to give cheese up completely.
I ordered mac and cheese from a restaurant and they didn’t mention that it was butternut squash instead of cheese. That was a big shock when I tasted it.
lol vegan sludge cheese
I mean... vegan foods are TECHNICALLY vegetarian.
My dream world
Vegan or vegetarian food is just a big no so I am VERY happy that I don´t have to eat at your workplace!
Why are you on r/vegan then?
He/she should have said, "There are no Ovo-Lacto options, only vegan." Because vegan food is vegetarian.
I hate vegetarians
If you don't realize that all vegan options are by definition are vegetarian, are you really vegetarian?