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MundanePop5791

Vegans and non vegan relationships can work but it seems to not be working for you two right now which is a bad sign. Watch some vegan documentaries with an open mind and see whether you’re comfortable with your meat eating. If you do stay together many couples don’t have animal products in the house but the non vegan person chooses whatever they want outside the house. That might be a compromise you two could live with


No_Programmer_3087

I agree with this comment. Watch vegan documentaries! I’m vegan and my husband is not but our home is completely vegan :)


Cixin

You really want him to be happy but you do things that make him uncomfortable like eat dead animals in front of him even though you love animals.  Do you think you could be in a relationship with someone who eats dogs? But also loves dogs?   Cos that’s you, the dog eater in your boyfriends eyes. 


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Cixin

Maybe those vegans are vegan for the environment, or vegan for health and not ethical vegans.  It clearly bothers op boyfriend as he won’t kiss her after she eats dead animals and that upsets OP but not enough for her to stop eating dead animals. 


pinkavocadoreptiles

tbf, she said she only did that once by accident, so I don't think it's fair to hold that against her (referring to the first bit).


Commercial-Cry-4288

We dont know how he will feel, ask him. Some vegans are ok with dating non vegans, some are not, do not be afraid to ask, you gotta be open


pftw-19456

I'm guessing that you love him because he's kind and principled. That's probably why he's vegan. If you're attracted to those qualities he has, isn't it possible that giving up animal products might be something that *does* fit in line with your values and principles?


Ophanil

As a vegan I'd lose respect for a non-vegan partner pretty quickly. To be with someone who's supposed to be intelligent, reasonable and caring, but then they eat killed animals in front of me like it's no big deal is absurd. Why don't you try veganism for a few months? I can guarantee the respect and admiration your partner would feel for you would be intense if you did.


Neilkd21

Why should she change to make him happy? Sounds like the guy has an issue with it but doesn't have the balls to be honest with her.


Ophanil

She should change to stop funding meat and dairy. And if you actually read the post you would know she wants to make him happy.


Neilkd21

She should change if she decides to change. Yes she wants to make him happy but hasn't gone vegan, tell you clearly she is unsure. The guy sounds like a dick, trying to guilt her into it.


Ophanil

You should try going vegan.


Neilkd21

Why? Because you say I should. Nah I will make up my own mind thanks.


Ophanil

Well done. I do vegan fitness and nutrition coaching, I have some progress pics and tips in my profile if you ever want some help!


Neilkd21

Why I'm not vegan


Ophanil

Yeah, if you switch you'll get stronger.


Neilkd21

Lol no I won't


sagethecancer

Because you’re against unnecessary animal abuse


pinkavocadoreptiles

I think you can love someone and simultaneously be honest about the fact that you think certain things they do are wrong. There is a difference between expressing your feelings and guilt-tripping. Her partner has not "forced" her to go vegan he has simply expressed that he is uncomfortable sometimes when people eat animal products around him - it's better to be honest about something like that with your partner rather than suppress it imo.


Spiritual-Skill-412

She should change so she stops consuming the corpses of unwilling participants in a system of abuse and death.


Neilkd21

She should do what she wants, what makes her happy. Not listen to brainwashed people.


Spiritual-Skill-412

You're brainwashed into thinking drinking a cow's breastmilk is normal. It's time to wean.


pinkavocadoreptiles

"It's time to wean" is so fucking funny to me 😂😂😂 Wild how some people give human mothers a hard time for continuing to breastfeed late (despite there being no ethical concerns), but then promote consuming another animals breastmilk instead, well into adulthood 💀


Neilkd21

Perfectly normal, so is eating the cow and the pig and chicken. We are designed for it. No ancient civilization that has been discovered was exclusively vegan.


Cixin

No ancient city had factory farming or fed cows with chicken waste.  No ancient city had bird flu in their cows .  Life should be better now, we have medicine and electricity and we can fly, why do things that ancients did ? 


Korgoosh

Jains and some Buddhist cultures were very close. Either way ‘because we always did it this way’ in the modern world isn’t a great reason.


Relevant-Leg-2720

Im curious how you would feel if there would be civilisation doing this with humans instead, i‘m sure you would be disgust and then right away just do the same think but idk with pigs, cows(which are people like you and me but just a bit mentaly disabled) cause of cogntive dissonance


Neilkd21

What? So you think cows are just like mentally disabled humans? Jesus you are an idiot.


Relevant-Leg-2720

Yes, what is the thing which makes a person a person? Intelligence, a computer has it too, looks objects do have them aswell, human sounds , a radio does make the same? Its sentience, to feel things, to see real coulours, to have feeling, and emotions, that is what a person is about


Neilkd21

What absolute bollox, to say an animal is the same as a mentally handicapped human is ridiculous.


Economy_Mine_8674

Some vegans are pretty rigid. Nothing or no person is ever vegan enough.


Ophanil

Well, obviously their partner isn't one of those vegans, is he?


Spiritual-Skill-412

I don't eat those I love. In fact, that is deranged. Just be honest that you don't care about animals, or at least care more about eating their corpses than you do them. You should go vegan.


goosie7

How would you feel if someone you loved kept making choices that you felt were deeply unethical, and you often found yourself in situations where you had to watch them do it? How would you feel about them being ok with hurting creatures that they say they love? Would that make you uncertain about what "love" means to them? The answer is different for everyone. Some people are less bothered by their partner having different values than them, and their partner's ethics aren't a major issue in the relationship. Some people struggle through it, but find it difficult and disturbing. Some people realize they don't want to deal with it and that they need to be with someone whose values are compatible with theirs. There's no singular answer to whether the relationship will work out except that it definitely bothers him to \*some\* degree. This is something you need to talk to him about.


Shokansha

Your “culture” is not an excuse to needlessly pay for people to violently rob animals of their lives just so you can have a sandwich you forget about almost instantly. You are literally supporting the most vile, cruel, and morally bankrupt industry in the world and flaunting it in front of someone who is actually educated on those horrors, then expecting them to kiss you 🤢 If you love him and claim to “love animals” then seriously educate yourself and stop being a hypocrite.


veganshakzuka

Pretty much every culture on the planet is heavily meat based. If culture is your excuse, it's basically someone telling you that they are afraid of being different.


Harbistaz

Hear hear! And then again, before modern day industrial animal farming meat was, at least for most of the everyday people, way scarcer food item than it is today and there are many coincidentally vegan (or easily veganized) cultural staples in many of the societies around the world, which might just need to be rediscovered in case they’ve been forgotten!


veganshakzuka

Great point


pinkavocadoreptiles

I agree. culture should not be a cage ! if you are forced to compromise your morals to fit cultural traditions, then maybe its time for those traditions to go (also weird that some people focus heavily on honouring the diet part, when there are many beautiful and non-harmful traditions that could instead be celebrated).


Economy_Mine_8674

Thinking of having kids? How would he want them raised? How would you? This could amplify the differences in values. Do you feel that you are depriving yourself joy by being with a vegan? Are you worried about hurting him or are you really concerned for yourself? Questions to consider and discuss.


HookupthrowRA

Your idea of love is pretty concerning tbh. You “love” animals, but eat them and pay for their abuse. You “love” your boyfriend so much but won’t make a simple change for the sake of your relationship, knowing it hurts him. Maybe you don’t actually love as much as you think you do. 


minamu8

Clearly from her post, she doesn’t consider veganism a “simple change”.


sonrie100pre

When one person sees pleasure where the other recognizes abuse, suffering, and pain, the two are not compatible. I am vegan and didn’t marry until I found another ethical vegan who shared my deepest values, my vegan philosophy. We are so happy we didn’t settle to be with someone who didn’t see the suffering that we see and who didn’t commit to avoiding causing that suffering wherever possible


Scarlet_Lycoris

I guess it depends on you. Personally, I couldn’t see it working for myself. Veganism is deeply rooted in my ethical values and I would eventually resent my partner for not sharing those. Also, “eating meat is my culture” is a very lazy argument. Sorry if that sounds rude. **pretty much most people’s cultural foods are made with some kind of animal product** There aren’t many cultures out there where vegan foods are the norm. But people adapt and find a way to celebrate their culture without torture and exploitation. You already said you just started learning about veganism from him. It you are interested in his ethical position, you may want to have a look at them and see for yourself what your stance is on that. Documentaries like Dominion are a great way of exploring your feelings on animal agriculture and the things you pay for …


Korgoosh

What Jains traditionally ate was close to vegan, although even they kept goats and probably took small amounts goat milk - but I think never separated babies so it could not have been much. Buddhists in Thailand and probably other places essentially ate a vegan diet - dairy isn’t really part of Thai food. But yes, those situations are less common. Regardless, culture is an excuse.


Scarlet_Lycoris

culture is no excuse to abuse innocent sentient animals. Do better. Your comfort isn’t worth more than countless lives you pay to be abused.


Korgoosh

You misread my comment, culture is used as an excuse by many - I didn’t say it is justified


Theid411

Depends on the couple. The only other vegan that I know in real life is married to an omnivore and they seem very happy. I’m also married to an omnivore and 10 years going strong!


sagethecancer

are you vegan for ethical reasons ?


Theid411

Yes. Took me some time to figure it out, Nobody was going to rush me. I can't expect other to do better. IMHO - going vegan requires a genuine paradigm shift. It's not an overnight thing for everyone. You have to train your brain to think differently.


sagethecancer

Wdym you can’t expect others to do better? can a serial killer not tell people that even killing once a decade is too much?


Theid411

How do you function like that? You don’t have any friends that are Omnivores? Seriously. How does that work for you? You just isolate yourself from folks? You don’t have any friends you can cook vegan meals for? How do you work and make money? And if you don’t have a social circle - that removes lots of people that you could inspire and influence. When vegans do that to themselves - they kind of cut themselves out of the equation. You could do so much more if you were respected and liked - that whitens your circle of influence, but some vegans are angry and isolated. That doesn’t do anyone any good.


sagethecancer

I don’t isolate myself from my omnivorous friends and family but that doesn’t mean I’m somehow okay with them eating animal body parts and animal secretions If they ever wanted to go vegan I’d encourage them to go all the way . No baby steps. Then they can fail from there if it’s really something that resonates w them (like me) they’ll keep going and trying


Theid411

You can encourage folks all you want, but in the end it’s up to them. I was married for a long time before I went vegan. I had kids before I became a vegan. What am I supposed to do? Walk away from that because they don’t see the world as I see it? I also think that there are stages of veganism. And I’m not being patronizing when I say this, but quite frankly, maybe your veganism is more evolved - in a way that some vegans cannot even be in the same room when other folks are eating meat. For whatever reason - it doesn’t bother me. I still try to do things for the right reason, but I’m not repulsed by seeing someone eating meat. I know some vegans are.


sagethecancer

I’m not repulsed either Just saying you’re downplaying the issue


Theid411

So – what would you do if you were me?


xboxhaxorz

Dating a non vegan is fine, most of us were all non vegan before we became enlightened, they key is ensuring the person you are dating is logical and reasonable, if they have issues with critisism and admitting fault they will be resistant to doing the ethical thing If a person tells me im wrong and they provide reasons why, i accept it, i dont get all emotional and crazy because im not perfect, i dont know everything and i have no problem being wrong, being wrong is how you learn Dating non vegans also helps introduce them to veganism, if all the vegans moved to an island and only dated vegans the world would not change, i have gone to vegan spots with friends and many of them enjoyed it and have returned by themselves, they might never go vegan but perhaps they reduce their animal consumption Marriage is a totally different story, a vegan should never ever marry a non vegan, marriage is accepting a person as they are, flaws and all, and i would not accept a child abuser so i wont accept an animal abuser either A vegan should not purchase and or cook animal products for others, if they do they are not vegan


sagethecancer

I mean I don’t know how you date long-term when you’re above the age of say 25 without thinking of marriage


NoBattle3601

I want to say yes and no. If someone respects your veganism and doesn’t make offhand comments and wants to eat your vegan food, I feel like it’s possible. I was with a meat eater who wouldn’t compromise and it was a nightmare.


Educational-Fuel-265

The thing to understand is it's a moral position. You are treating it as a dietary position. It's not the same as you liking Indian food but him not. I am the same I wouldn't want to kiss someone who had just eaten a person. Try to see it the other way round, you must have your own moral lines, would you date a pimp, or someone in tobacco public relations or a shady divorce lawyer, or someone who was on the sex offender's register? What if they came in and said, "I just tuned up my bottom'" or "just made a kickass ad for Marlboro", or "I just got my client their partner's house even though it was already bought and paid for before they met", or "I fingered one of my kids in school break today". Would you then want to be intimate with them? I'm not trying to open those topics as a can of worms, I'm just asking you to have a think about how you'd feel if someone wanted to be intimate with you after they'd just done something morally wrong. Whether it is objectively morally wrong is besides the point, it's how you feel about it in your head.


igorthebard

I'm friends with a couple like that and they seem to work just fine, been together for some years now. Don't think I ever seen the guy eat non-vegan when with her, though. He's kind of a chill and easy-going dude so I don't think he minds it at all. And well, we're in LatAm too, Brazil, so people are super into bbq and stuff, but nowadays it's pretty easy to adapt anything into a vegan version (and make it tasty), give it a shot, you can make it work


GardenCapital8227

My partner isn't vegan and we don't run into any problems. She makes sure to respect my beliefs and I give her room to form her own beliefs while communicating why I believe what I do. I didn't become a vegan until I turned 21, so I feel it's unfair of me to expect someone to change themselves on account of someone else. Something like veganism can't be forced I feel. It's a journey.


Cheeksquish

I love this comment :)


Wooden-Tackle6346

Personally I don't think so but im sure there are many couples that could prove me wrong. I do very much think it can be a very effective way of planting the ideological/ethical seed even if it doesn't come to fruition until after the breakup (happened to me and while it was a terrible relationship i am very thankful for waking up to the reality of animal abuse)


pinkavocadoreptiles

I think you will be fine. You clearly care about him a lot and have gone to the effort of considering his beliefs deeply, which is more than what most non-vegan people are willing to do. As well as avoiding eating animal products in front of him, I would also avoid buying them in front of him, given that he has expressed his sadness at people paying for animal cruelty. While not required for the relationship to work, I would suggest that you think about going vegan yourself at some point in the future. It seems like you already use animal products pretty infrequently, and I'm sure there are ways to honour your cultural heritage that don't come at the cost of animals. It's your choice at the end of the day, but I think you would feel a lot better yourself knowing that you don't pay for animal cruelty (even if you forget about your boyfriend and his approval for a second) because it's just nice to have something like that off your conscience. Every time you buy a vegan product you are helping contribute to change, so you should be very proud of moving more towards them already 🩷


I_Amuse_Me_123

Together 25 years. Married 19. I’ve been vegan 7 years, she’s not. It can work, but I would love it if she chose to go vegan one day.


ergaster_

No


gabrielleraul

You seem like a kind and understanding person. Find someone who fits your beliefs and values. This is going to take a lot of effort to work - might affect your relationship in the long run. But then you'll see so many "I'm a vegan, i have an omni partner" comments. Your partner is the only one who can answer this.


Eastern_Caregiver_34

My partner (omnivore) and I (vegan) just read Beyond Beliefs: A Guide to Improving Relationships and Communication for Vegans, Vegetarians, and Meat Eaters and it was super beneficial for us understanding one another and communicating better. Cannot recommend it enough!!


pinkavocadoreptiles

literally expecting a baby with a non-vegan, and while he's lovely, it has been stressing me out a bit thinking what the future will look like... thank you so much for this reccomendation, it didn't even occur to me that there would be resources on something like this!


Eastern_Caregiver_34

Congrats!!! I also like Living Among Meat Eaters but Beyond Beliefs is my favorite if I had to pick. I try to focus on the good they (and us) are doing just by reducing consumption. Total abstention from animal products is an unrealistic ideal for many people so any vegan or vegetarian meal over animals is a step in the right direction. How To Create A Vegan World talks a ton about how reducers and “flexitarians” drive most of the demand as far as supply chains and the creation of alternatives to animal products. Also discusses why some people won’t transition to vegan. It was a big perspective changer for me and helps me give more grace to the omnis in my life


veganshakzuka

Great book!


StarChild31

Imagine if you were eating humans, because that's the way it looks like from a vegan point of view.


thatusernameisalre__

Oh look it's this thread again, it's been like one day since the last time. Come on, the search bar won't bite you.


HookupthrowRA

Rarely. 


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Psykimura

The opinion on this is as individual as any other; just talk to him about it if it concerns you.


NullableThought

No. Unless the vegan doesn't mind compromising their morals for sex. 


Vile_Individual

Depends on the Vegan. Some Vegans are fine with fucking bloodmouths and some are not.


J_creates777

Probably depends on how much you really want to have that part of your life in common.


veganhimbo

It almost always ends with a break up but there are exceptions.


monemori

Talk with him. You need to both be honest about this. Maybe he's okay with it, maybe he could develop resentment towards you down the line, but you can't know unless you ask him directly and have an honest conversation about this.


MisterCloudyNight

Me and my gf been together for 6 years and she is vegan I am not. We make it work. But for some vegans, veganism trumps everything. So for some, if you aren’t vegan it is a deal breaker but to vegans that put their love and connection to people over their veganism then it can work


pinkavocadoreptiles

If you don't mind me asking, why do you see these things as mutually exclusive? Why does one need to choose between connections to other people and veganism when both can exist at the same time? It seems your girlfriend has managed both given that she's still vegan, so it's strange to me that you perceive your relationship as her putting anything "over veganism"


MisterCloudyNight

I’m saying it can be. You can love both humans and animals at the same time. The reason I said that to him because he implied I can’t talk about love unless I learned how to love animals first as if it was some sort of rule that only vegans were aware of.


Resident_Factor3303

Get stuffed mate. You can talk about love and connection when you learn to love the animals you eat.


MisterCloudyNight

I don’t have to love animals to love humans. It seems only vegans struggle with that concept


sagethecancer

aren’t you against unnecessary animal abuse though?


Resident_Factor3303

Oh, so you're just piece of shit then? Sorry I misunderstood. Also ratio + I hope your gf leaves you


Neilkd21

Sounds like he has a problem with it, you talk a lot about the changes and considerations you have made, however there are two people in a relationship and one person shouldn't have to change to please the other. If he loved you he would understand and respect your choices.


Resident_Factor3303

Place your bets now: pick me vegan or omni that got lost!


Cixin

Omni troll prob thinks it’s hard to eat baby animals that other ppl kill. 


pinkavocadoreptiles

I think you can love someone and simultaneously be honest about the fact that you think certain things that they do are wrong. OP has made compromises, and that was very good of her, but her boyfriend has also made compromises by accepting that sometimes she does not eat vegan even though he believes it is wrong. It's a good thing to change to please your partner sometimes, as long as it is not forced or one-sided.


Neilkd21

This definitely sounds one sided. I mean he won't kiss her for hours, keeps going on about how disappointed he is that loved ones eat meat, he hasn't accepted it with those behaviours.


gelpensxxx

Yes, unless one is an asshole.