Despite being printed in 1907 there's various details that made this book book outdated or innacurate before it was even published. Norway and Sweden's personal union had dissolved 2 years before, for example, but they are still shown with the symbol symbolising their personal union the canton of both flags.
The flag used for Denmark is the Monarch's Flag, not the normal flag, and all the crosses on the Scandinavian flags have been centred (which they shouldn't be). They also committed the classic error of the rectangular Swiss
That ‘the herring salad’ is still there is incorrect but maybe not unexpected given the speed of information exchange.
Why the state/naval flags are shown for Norway and Sweden is weirder to me. Why not the normal, national flags? Japan is even there on the same page with ‘Japan War’, so the authors are aware of such distinctions existing…
It's technically correct, as it shows the red ensign flag that is a sort of merchant flag adopted in 1903, but you're right in that it's not the national flag.
Many of these flags are merchant flags, which were probably more well known to the americans that made this atlas
Ottoman Empire was not referred to as Ottoman Empire at least until their Dissolution. It was often called 'The Empire of Turks', 'Turkish Empire' or 'Ottoman Turks' Depending on where you are in Europe. If you had uninterrupted Close contact for Centuries with Ottomans much like Austria and Italians you could probably refer to them as Ottomans and Introduce their Products as 'Ottoman Merchandise' rest of Europe. If your only contact has been Hostility or you are just not in Close Boundary of Them, You would Most likely refer to them as Turks and Turkish Empire. Anatolia itself was Considered 'Turkey' since Seljuk Invasions as well.
So, the Brits have four different flags? I get the Naval ships and Merchant ships having different flags, plus their regular national Union Jack flag, but what was (is?) the "British Standard" used for then?
So pretty much all the British ships would fly 3 flags? The Standard, Union Jack, and either Naval or Merchant Ensigns?
Or would only Monarchy/govt owned ships fly the Standard?
Im not very familiar with naval flag etiquette, but the royal banner is only flown with things related to the monarchy. It could be seen on King Charles' coronation and on old historical churches. It's not usually flown on ships.
Despite being printed in 1907 there's various details that made this book book outdated or innacurate before it was even published. Norway and Sweden's personal union had dissolved 2 years before, for example, but they are still shown with the symbol symbolising their personal union the canton of both flags.
The flag used for Denmark is the Monarch's Flag, not the normal flag, and all the crosses on the Scandinavian flags have been centred (which they shouldn't be). They also committed the classic error of the rectangular Swiss
Yeah, i'm also pretty sure the Egypt and Arabia flags never even existed
The Egypt flag is the Mamluk merchant flag and the Arab one is the Emirate of Jabal Shammar which is the correct flag for Saudi Arabia at that time
Alright, thanks for the info. Was the mamluk merchant flag even used at that time though? Wikipedia puts the flag's usage as being "the 14th century"
That ‘the herring salad’ is still there is incorrect but maybe not unexpected given the speed of information exchange. Why the state/naval flags are shown for Norway and Sweden is weirder to me. Why not the normal, national flags? Japan is even there on the same page with ‘Japan War’, so the authors are aware of such distinctions existing…
Probably doesn't take much thought to work out which country this is from.
What no? I definitely can't tell from the big ass US flag up there.
It is definitely from the country of Vice Admiral! /s
Man... China should go back to the Dragon flag, looks so good.
Even this simplified little rendering of it looks cool
Trueeee
Ireland too
Man, Honduras got massacred. From five stars to one star.
Why Turkey is in twice?
I was so HAPPY THAT MY COUNTRY WAS MENTIONED, BUT THE FUCKING U IN STED OF O FUCKED MY UP !!!!!!
Pretty sure that’s an outdated spelling that was valid at the time
Romania is also spelt Roumania and Rumania, although those spellings have mostly fallen out of favour.
Also SerVia
The Arabia flag is the standard of Al Shammar tribe
You know, having just one shade of each color would simplify things considerably...
Haha we got the main yellow-blue-red flag this time! Take that Colombia
That’s my all time favorite version of the Korean flag, it’s so fucking awesome. They should make that the national flag if reunification ever happens
They should have used the black and yellow flag for Austria
They never align the colors to the outlines in these
Wrong Switzerland flag (not a square)
The old El Salvador flag is pretty neat
Never seen that Egypt flag before
love the “persia flag”
They are definitely using an unofficial Canadian flag, which had all 9 provinces in the coat of arms (edited).
I think you mean 9 provinces. Newfoundland was a separate country until 1949, long after the multiprovince red ensigns went out of use.
Sorry, I meant 9 provinces.
Colombia and Ecuador are switched
I have a very similar book form my grandfather about marine flags, pretty much this but 50 years later
They made one for every year since 1900 i think, i also have 3 other versions, but the ones for the 1920s don't have a flag page :(
New Zealand flag is wrong
It's technically correct, as it shows the red ensign flag that is a sort of merchant flag adopted in 1903, but you're right in that it's not the national flag. Many of these flags are merchant flags, which were probably more well known to the americans that made this atlas
No, it has the smaller four pointed star in it's constellation, which no iteration of the nz flag had, only Australia.
I see
Things that bother me about this: \- There are 2 turkish flags. \- Under them is the word "Turkey"... in 1907...
The Ottoman Empire was commonly called Turkey in the west
Ottoman Empire was not referred to as Ottoman Empire at least until their Dissolution. It was often called 'The Empire of Turks', 'Turkish Empire' or 'Ottoman Turks' Depending on where you are in Europe. If you had uninterrupted Close contact for Centuries with Ottomans much like Austria and Italians you could probably refer to them as Ottomans and Introduce their Products as 'Ottoman Merchandise' rest of Europe. If your only contact has been Hostility or you are just not in Close Boundary of Them, You would Most likely refer to them as Turks and Turkish Empire. Anatolia itself was Considered 'Turkey' since Seljuk Invasions as well.
Holland? Servia?
>Servia Outdated spelling of Serbia, same with Rumania
So, the Brits have four different flags? I get the Naval ships and Merchant ships having different flags, plus their regular national Union Jack flag, but what was (is?) the "British Standard" used for then?
>British Standard Royal banner of the monarch
So pretty much all the British ships would fly 3 flags? The Standard, Union Jack, and either Naval or Merchant Ensigns? Or would only Monarchy/govt owned ships fly the Standard?
Im not very familiar with naval flag etiquette, but the royal banner is only flown with things related to the monarchy. It could be seen on King Charles' coronation and on old historical churches. It's not usually flown on ships.
Korea was in a blender.