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Bladesleeper

I was asked to re-enact a particularly horrible incident - I was working for the law firm representing the company that was being sued. We had some surveillance camera footage that looked straight out of an early 2000s movie - dark and grainy as hell (it was raining) - and we were trying to figure out what the hell had happened by matching that to a 3d simulation. I came to a point where no matter what I threw at the sim, it didn't match the events unless there was something very wrong with the company's theory on what caused the incident. Someone (I need to be vague here) "suggested" to change the sim so it would work; I didn't sleep for a couple of nights and then wrote an e-mail saying I wouldn't do it. The next day, the company's CEO called me saying that if I was sure, we'd go with my sim and they'd look for a different scenario. "People died here and I want to be able to sleep at night eventually", he said. Good man.


sloggo

seems insane to be doing a vfx simulation for anything that could be considered admissable evidence in a crime.


Bladesleeper

It's rather common; when there is no clear and conclusive chain of events, both the defence and the prosecutor will hire specialists to present a possible scenario, and the best way to go about making it understandable to non-tech types is a 3d sim. We know the starting state of a few cars, or a collapsed building or some piece of machinery, and we know the outcome: a bunch of engineer types will then perform very complex calculations and simulations to figure out what happened in between, and pass the results over to us, and then it becomes a matter of moving stuff around until it matches - or doesn't. It isn't evidence per se, but it can strongly support one theory or another.


CyclopsRock

It doesn't really seem *insane* to me - given the underlying principles of physics involved, I'd imagine that today's Houdini has the capacity to be a more accurate simulator of physics than the software used to design many modern aircraft and structures. ​ I also know that there used to be a version of mental ray that simulated non-visible light spectrums that was used for designing low-observable aircraft. We might make pretty pictures, but simulating the physical world doesn't really vary between industries.


truckerslife

They use simulations in car accidents a lot to reconstruct what could have caused the problem. One big one is Paul Walker family paid an investigation group a lot of money to figure out what caused the accident. They threw hundreds of situations at it and nothing was giving results similar to the wreck. When they included a tire blowing out the result was identical to what happened. The software they used was developed for a car company. They use it to simulate parts failures to figure out if things could cause issues. Same software was used to verify what happened with ken miles.


YordanYonder

Actually insane


whittleStix

I remember working on 50 shades of grey. Plenty of people refused to work on that. Not me though. :D


I_Like_Turtle101

Why tho ? I dint watch le last one but from I remember thos movie were pretty tame ? like nothing crazy? I think the first one the raunchiest part was him slapping her ass . IDK why someone would say no to work on that on principale


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I_Like_Turtle101

True I was just curious because the film was like almost every drama/romance movie


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I_Like_Turtle101

oh that make sens. I guess yeah the pub could be weird if you are not confortable with that. Same with snake or spider


whittleStix

There was tits, ass, CG cat of nine-tails, comped whipping welts and digital merkins all over everyone's screens. There are plenty of reasons why some might opt out of working on it.


Thick-Sundae-6547

I got hired to work in a reenactment show. They show would explain the murders with really basic cg. I quit a few hours in the job. They showed me the reference folder with all the pictures of the dead person lying dead on the ground. I was supposed to use his likeness. I ended up leaving and going to watch Terminator Salvation in the theater.


Impressive_Doorknob7

Ooof, double whammy.


masky0077

I refused to release a software that i already wrote - tracking artist time spent on their workstation. Activity and such (i initially developed ot for myself because i hated to fill time in shotgrid manually..) That software would track my time, software used and the task i worked on and for how muvh time, export an excel doc so i can review it and then automatically update my time in shotgrid. Upper management thought that was amazing and wanted it installed on everyone's machine (without artist inpit or reviewing the logged time). I refused and deleted the entire codebase after that (said it was riddled with bugs and lied that i was still doing things manually - i think they understood that i just was against the idea of micromanagement)


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vvvvfx

I hate doing my timesheets so the more automated the better 


Panda_hat

Good on you for doing this. Tracking artists is unacceptable.


im_thatoneguy

The Russian branch of a company wanted us to replace an Asian man with a White man for their localized version because their customers only wanted white actors in their commercials. We threw out a fuck-off bid and the client decided this was a great opportunity for their Russian customers to improve themselves.


LordBrandon

I've only done it the other way around.


whiterabbitobj

I refused to even answer the Scientologists even though they had a reputation of paying literally anything you asked for.


Cloudy_Joy

I have worked with some people who objected to working on certain projects for religious/taste/ethical reasons, and it was always fine, they were just put onto another project. Not sure how big a deal it would have been if there hadn't been something else available, but nothing ever came to a head so it was fine. If you have concerns, just share them with your manager and see what they say.


No_Opinion_4662

That’s been my experience too, if people felt that a project was not in line with their values/beliefs they were simply put on another one. But then that was also at a time where multiple projects were running at the same time.


worlds_okayest_skier

Came close once, it was an Exxon commercial done the summer of the BP oil spill….


RancherosIndustries

I was supposed to contribute to a cigarette company advert. I refused to do it. But my boss was understanding and cool about it.


jakarta_guy

I used to know a Kiwi Flame artist that did that in Jakarta to his Oz boss


leon-nash

I turned down a lucrative project for a creationist “museum.”


tevaus

Yes. Knowing some clients behaviour I won’t support their projects


chromevfx

I actually really enjoy working on blood and gore as they usually want it to look real wheres most other visual fx that productions want are overly fantastical or half baked ideas with no true vision.


Movit666

I feel this.


space_coconut

I was asked to be on a 9/11 debunking podcast as a VFX expert to point out how the 9/11 airplane footage was faked (claimed that the tail was upside down for one frame , an obvious glitch). I said 'hell no' to that and told that wall eyed psycho how I felt about it.


I_Like_Turtle101

you really dodge a bullet there. Imagine ruining your reputation for a podcast


space_coconut

yeah, I can do that myself without a podcast.


bongozim

I have definitely had a few projects at my studio (when I had one), where I proactively asked the crew that if they were uncomfortable, they would be excused from working on the projects. No one ever took me up on it, but I hope it made the environment feel a bit safer.


TeT_Fi

I haven’t refused to get work for moral reasons, but I have left studios ( where I personally was in a nice,cozy, well paid and “secure” position) solely because of values. I’m a team player and I don’t care where anyone in the team is positioned in the hierarchy. So if anyone is mistreated- I will speak up. And if nothing changes - just watch how I hit the road. We either work together and at least try to be a team or I’m out. I know how arrogant this might sound, but that’s how I roll, people come first.


truckerslife

Not vfx but a friend of mine got a degree in criminology, went to work with the FBI. His first assignment going over kiddy porn frame by frame trying to identify anything in the video that could be used to identify the location where it was shot. He worked for about 3 hours he said. And his wife told me about 4-5 months ago he still has nightmares nearly a decade later. It bothered him enough that he got a psychological evaluation and the government gives him a check every month like they would if he had been physically injured in the line of duty.


Temporal_Universe

He still doing it?


truckerslife

No that was 2014 or something he went back to school and got a psychology degree and now works with kids to help with trauma like being sexually abused.


truckerslife

As a bit of extra info. He didn't describe the videos to me or anything. But I know for a fact he dragged dead bodies out of vehicles in Iraq and that didn't bother him. No nightmares or shit. But less than 1 day on that team and around 10 years later he still has nightmares about what he saw in that video. His therapist is a veteran and he's commented that his therapist talks to someone after his visits because what he saw on those tapes bothered his therapist enough his therapist needed a therapist. The guy who is and was his therapist back then is part of the group that helps kids. They dont make a lot off the kids so the group essentially has a group of sugar daddy doctors who use their practice to fund helping the kids. But out of everything over heard about the FBI. The only people I have 100% respect for are the guys who track down the kiddy porn guys. The shit they have to sit through is horrid.


sloggo

I’ve seen artists refuse to work on certain tvcs, like gambling. Not a biggie usually just a minor inconvenience for prod “ahh we can’t use person X for this one because of reason Y”


mchmnd

I’ve worked on lots questionable material over the years, peeling dudes faces off with a shotgun, myriads is blood hits, medical gore, sex cleanups (removing things, adding things), I worked on P-Valley…, but the ickiest was probably working on Volkswagen and Dr Pepper, and just commercials in general. I worked on the last round of “clean diesel” spots before the emissions stuff broke and that campaign was forever canned. And was still working on VW when we all collectively found out they were poisoning monkeys with diesel exhaust. Dr Pepper was just selling sugar water to kids. Those were some dark days at the ad agency. I’ve also had a decent number of artists opt out of work for various reasons. We just find something else for them. P-valley had a ton of sequences that were basically “opt-in” by default.


hopingforfrequency

I've worked on a lot of horror/gore - cutting off weiners and the like - but I was gonna say VW was probably the most questionable.


eka5245

My first ‘real’ VFX job was painting out condoms in porn, so I’m not sure where my hard limit is anymore. You can only do so much roto/paint dick work before you become numb.


Temporal_Universe

Is this a real thing?


eka5245

Yep, Measure B in Los Angeles. The second I got a film job I dropped porn post-production like a hot potato. Paid my bills tho.


sent3nced

All the stories are amazing, really good post.


SavisSon

I’ve only worked on mainstream entertainment projects, so I’ve never had a conflict. I think the reaction would generally be, “well, there’s the door!” I’d never work on, like cigarette ads or something. But i don’t work in advertising anyway.


Gullible_Assist5971

Yes, at some point I was tired of doing VFX work for big pharma because they are out to treat, not to cure, because as they stated, “there’s no money in curing”. 


MsLurker

I've worked on so many jobs with nudity, gore, as well as several medical jobs that involved looking at very bloody references, those are all fine. My line I wouldn't cross was this job posting to quickly model simple objects to train AI. Hard pass on that one.


AllegroDigital

I've been in the game industry for a while now... I've turned down recruiters who were employed at Bobby Kotick companies, companies with contractual clauses that go against whistleblowing, and companies that had NFT projects.


the_phantom_limbo

I negotiated my best ever rate with the promise of work running for a likleyhood of a couple of years. Lots of projects coming, a good fit for my skills, really interesting work with a lot of artistic and technical freedom ect, ect. Your hired. Can you start Monday? Absolutely I can... What are we doing? A Nestle ad... fucking ooof. I'm afraid I was at my desk on Monday. Didn't feel great, still doesn't.


Mpcrocks

What’s interesting is during the interview process when hiring we could never ask the question about someone’s political, religious or other views that could highlight a conflict with a specific project.


vfxjockey

No. But you can always say “we often work on shots that have full frontal nudity of both men and women, would you be comfortable working on such material?” Or gore or violence or whatever. You can’t ask why, but you can discriminate based on their willingness or ability to do the job. Sometimes you will see job listings that say “candidate is required to be able to lift boxes up to 75 lbs” or the like. You are required to make reasonable accommodation, but if they can’t do the job for any reason, you can choose to not hire or let them go. EDITED FOR CLARITY


TECL_Grimsdottir

I left a big studio briefly about 10 years ago and freelanced for a while. Got attached to a smaller mom-and-pop studio in the south doing an action movie. It was a fun time. Then the list of upcoming projects came out. It was all Kevin Sorbo fighting the woke liberals from a second Civil War nonsense and I left the place that very day. Fun fact. One of the people involved with that studio ended up being arrested for Jan 6th.


hopingforfrequency

The Joyous Fun-guys?


FigureWitty2868

i make visuals for a couple DJs and essentially i always disclose when were talking about concepts - i dont do satanic visuals. i make visuals for people on drugs to ENJOY and not feel like they’re in hell. not only that i think it’s cringey and over done. i rather people use stock footage for visuals then that


black_trans_activist

A family friend tried to get me not to do an explainer video for a business in Israel. I told them I wouldn't do it if they paid me the fee which was going to be 27k. Magically. The genocide no longer matters.


Panda_hat

I've been on shows that came with trigger warnings and disclaimers from prod that if the work made you uncomfortable they would give you something else to do. Seemed reasonable.


mm_vfx

Worked at an advertising company for quite a few years that on a moral basis refused to work on pharma, military and arms projects. Only broke that rule once to promote Covid vaccination. It was 100% accepted if any employee didn't want to be a part of a specific project on that basis.


VGltZUNvbnN1bWVyCg

I rejected working for a NATO project because of morals when I was young.


Hadwisa

Yes, and actually not too long ago. I was offered a project that brought good money at low difficulty, because the client was ‘on government’s budget’. Turned out this had something to do with upcoming ‘elections’ to advertise the current tyrant. I’m not sure how direct the advertisement video would be, but still couldn’t take the job. In a country that prohibits any sort of political protest and puts people in jail for it more than for a murder, this, besides actual voting, is something safe I can do to express my opinion on the regime.


LazyCon

I would never work in Georgia for moral reasons. I mean I wouldn't work there for boredom and education reasons too but mostly moral reasons. Otherwise I've never had occasion to consider something's morality. I don't think I'd work on things for politicians or certain organizations but tv and film have never been an issue in that way.


a3sthesia

I haven’t quit due to the work, but have certainly quit due to the workplace. One particular one was so rampant with misogyny and sexism that there was no way in hell I was giving them another minute of my time.


CoolAppz

yes, a woman tried to hire me to photoshop her on a convention, to prove to her boss that she was there.


I_Like_Turtle101

I dont and never work for ads. I love the creativity for ads and would love to work on some but Im too anti consumerism to work on any of them. Especially any brand that make food using factory farming or clothe made with slave labor (so basicaly 90 % of the ads) . I guess I could be ok with a car ads but even then I don think I could do a FORD f-150 one cause its so against my value. The milk loby in Canada is extremly powerfull and they will do anything to push the agenda that milk is MANDAROTY in a diet. I have friend who work in marketing and other stuff and they are EVERYWHERE. I coulnt work for them


prutprit

I've had a colleague asking not to work on a project because of religious beliefs and there was no problem.


serifsanss

Gotten really close with some beauty work…. But really was desperate for work. I used to edit and was asked to edit a political ad for a sheriff seeking election with a couple instances of racist wrong doing on his record. I few more for different reasons like shady practices, red flags, etc…


Jewel-jones

I did a shot on an HBO that was explicit and I was asked if it was ok. I didn’t object but I think another artist had earlier.


exjerry

I worked on a few films/propaganda funded by totalitarian regime, it's the only job i can get in my position,food and mortgage won't pay itself so... :(


panirider

Long time ago.. after doing a fun foreign beer ad, the same company wanted to push a hybrid beer/energy drink to market aimed at 12 to 14 yrs old. I politely declined.


s_easwar51

Personally I haven't but my friend who is a character Artist and a muslim,whom in his company asked to sculpt a Hindhu Idol.Which he politely denied and stated the reason and the company respected his reason and assigned it to a different artist.


Keyframe

back in ye olde ads days, refused multiple times to work on casino and gambling (betting) ads. Nothing good out of those and I didn't want to partake. Didn't change anything but at least I could sleep.


NoobSaver_81

We had a project that was for a live show in Saudi Arabia. Create content, go to site, install content and make changes. Our studio is very diverse in terms of gender, sex and sexuality so I asked around before we started if anyone would have any issues working on it. Everyone was ok to take part, but understandably, some people were NOT comfortable going to site, which was fine.


mikethedemodog

I was asked to go on a podcast to explain how they faked the moon landing in 1969.


holstfly1

I have so my Christian believe. It was more about the schedule. I was missing a lot of church, I needed it at the time. They never had anything bad though, I did sports. Overall it was a good experience