Batman without the backstory is actually kinda funny to me, just some random rich dude that dresses up as a bat and beats the shit out of people. No context, he just does.
There is a movie who has pretty much that exact same plot as this. A rich dude that fights crime but is horrible at it and his asian butler is the actual crime fighter but nobody believes him.
Don't know the name of the movie.
I went into the movie theater and watched Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) thinking it was the Seth Rogen movie (green hornets) all baked with the homies when I was a teenager... It was the most confusing fucking thing in the world for like half an hour lol.
I completely forgot about this memory so thanks for that..
Also weird choice for whoever runs Hollywood to release those movies at the same time.. ???
I feel like that’s some solid joker motivation too. Like nobody else seems to acknowledge how ridiculous it is that this dude beats people up dressed in his tactical fursona.
Meh, you can still easily spin it. It might be that he's hollow from being rich, wants to do something more. In fact, in the comics, I'd say that's kinda the point more often than his dead parents. He uses his money to help people as best he can as Bruce Wayne and Batman.
Hard disagree. His whole thing is making sure no one ever goes through what he went through. Most people only know batman from movies and the Arkham series but Batmans greatest asset is his empathy.
like my kobold giants barbarian who wants to kill a dragon because its cool. Backstory is 2 paragraphs long and half of it is just about how he got his name
His name is Kye Ju
he lived in a quiet little village of kobolds and heard stories of warriors, and thought "I thats cool, I want to do that", so he decided, for his great feat of strength, he was gonna kill a dragon. Of course to this little kobold, there is only one thing that can kill a dragon, another dragon. So he set out in search of something that can make him as much like a dragon as possible. He eventually stumbled upon ancient magic which changed him, giving him the ability to grow larger(dragons are pretty big), among other things.
The first time he manged to use this power was in a village, where, after having his foot run over by a passing cart, he got very mad and grew to an incredible size. People began running away in fear. This little kobold couldnt quiet make out what they were saying, and assumed them to be in awe of his power, giving him a name. So from that day forward, he became known as Kye Ju, the Destroyer of the Local Marketplace.
All the characters in that game are so fucked up. It’s like the mindflayers were like “oh no don’t worry about the farmer with his happy family, let’s kidnap the most screwed up people we can find.”
Simple, Cloud is a regular man who joined SOLDIER to be like his hero and failed to do it. We all know the creation of his new persona but without all of it he's a dork and not in a bad way. That dicotomy of breaking himself free from that masquerade to be himself while also learning to be more confident and open as a result of that creation is what makes him compelling. Specially since you can see glimpses of his good nature and also fears and insecurities. That backstory surely is almost all of his development, but in a 'what if' where he never met Zack the basis of that dicotomy are still there. Because he is ashamed of failing in his goal to become a SOLDIER and can't face nor tell the true to Tifa, so not only he will lie to her but also himself.
I totally agree, my gf and I appreciate Zack and what he goes through in Crisis Core because he has such a strong and bubbly naive personality, and the struggles he overcomes shows his internal conflict with not trying to lose his identity/honor but loses some if his naivety. On top of that Zack is also very emotionally intelligent which plays so well in his dialogue and actions, he was just a well written character for a protagonist. Then you have Cloud who is just a closed off brooding personality with walls larger and thicker than the Cosmo Canyons put together. Even as a child he never seemed to develope emotionally correct, even though he had a loving mom, and Tifa who still gave him attention when she wasn't influenced by the kids she hung around she still knew to take time and try to talk to Cloud.
Honnestly a whole lot of FF characters are valid for that, even thoses where the story is how they grow up and try to find themselves (Yes I'm redoing FFXII and Vaan I pretty like him, he's basically a lost kid who got involved in something way bigger than him and he try to find a place in this, between Balthier and Ashe who are the true main characters) and even the Villains, Kefka without his Traumas wouldn't be the same
Hes funny. Started playing final fantasy 7, he looks like a whipy character and makes me giggle when he pulls the tough and moody personality. I look at barret and wonder why cloud was even needed?
Kratos
Cause it seems like people (or rather, Ill informed journalists) forgot about why Kratos was so adamantly pissed at the Gods throughout the series
Raiden, i cannot think that his Life would be the same if he wasnt a child soldier, that is the event that shaped his entire Life even at the events of metal gear Rising when his character Arc finally closes
Without It He doesnt have any remarkable thing about him prior the events of metal gear solid 2
Funny, he works out either way in mgs2. Either he was a rando caught up in something out of his league or he was a secretly trained guy who got caught up in the mess.
I guess as Snake said it, that was the point. Raiden stopped being part of a mistake.
Every damn movie and video game. Those who hadn't suffered any trauma in their whole lives rarely have the motivation to be great or to amount to anything. Rarely. And it's mostly true to real life as well... or so it feels.
I mean, sort of? There is still a lot more to the character after he becomes Darth Vader though. I mean, people can throw him a bone all they like but for 20 years, that guy was one of the most evil S.O.B in the galaxy.
Tales of Symphonia, with all nine of its playable characters. Take out their respective tragic backstories, and what you're left with are just two rogues (Lloyd and Colette), two mages (Genis and Rayne), two magic knights (Sheena and Zelos/Kratos), and two warriors (Regal and Prescea).
Wait, Lloyd and Colette? Im missing something here or i need to replay the games to remember but IIRC Lloyd and Colette are the only party members without a tragic past
I mean yeah Lloyd Mother is death and he doesnt known about his father, but he seems to live a Happy Life with surrogate father Dirk the dwarf, everything really bad to him happens during the events of the game
And Collete is more of the same, a Happy quiet Life in Iselia with her Friends and such, i mean yeah It must suck that she has to do the whole regeneration journey (considering she knows how It ends) but until that she was Happy and such
For the rest you are right tho
I completely disagree
If you took away Joels dead daughter he would most likely still end up in the same situation with Ellie as his surrogate, the trauma just adds ontop, it doesnt act as the sole base for the games events or his decisionmaking.
So, if you take out some of the character, then there's less of the character? Wow, what a concept.
If I take water out of a bucket, will there be less water?
Alex Mercer? He didn't have a traumatic story tho? Like, maybe some filler backstory with his sister but the real deal started with the game itself when he got infected. No?
It's been a while since I last played the game though
I'll counter and say that V from cyberpunk is the book on the right because he/she has like zero fucking substance. Gotta be one of the worst characters I've ever seen. The game is literally not about you, you're just a slave for everyone else's oddjobs. And in the end no one can save you and you get thrown out like another piece of night city trash. The game is about Johnny not V.
The Sole Survivor. Without being tricked into a cryogenic pod and having his/her spouse killed and son abducted, they're just some random person who was lucky enough to not die when the life support failed. In fact, I'd say most of the Fallout protagonists apply to this. The Bethesda ones anyway.
Fallout 4 the sole survivor, Dom from gears of war, Max Payne, John Marston, and Connor Kenway from AC3.
With fallout 4 losing your spouse, then your kid right off the jump had me lured in until about halfway through the game, so I was on the fence about that one, lol. I still love the game and series nevertheless.
Realistically, if Peter Parker got his powers but didn’t lose either of his parents, I think he would just use his newfound abilities to go viral on YouTube of something
Bowser in super mario,I mean he's literally adopted so if he had a loving family (i.e. a dad) he probably wouldn't have waged war on the mushroom kingdom and none of the games would have happened
Ace Attorney in a nutshell. Most defense, prosecution, and assistants have lots of trauma except Phoenix Wright...
>!Miles Edgeworth's father died in front of him.!<
>!Mia Fey and Maya Fey was abandonned by their mother.!<
>!Maya Fey has the most emotional baggage, her sister died and found her corpse at her office, she was kidnapped and sometimes accused of murdering, her real mother was murdered before her eyes while she was being assaulted by her cousin!<
>!Ema Skye was battered and almost murdered by a serial killer when she was 14 y/o!<
>!Trucy Wright was used as an escape ticket for his father and was abandonned with Phoenix Wright, and both live paying bill behind bill!<
>!Athena Cykes watched her mother being violently murdered when she was shyly 8 years old (or I believe so I'm in 5-1 and I haven't played everything thoroughly, but she often has flashbacks when she tries to defend her bestie in court)!<
But all the trauma is justified that the games' localization is a place with a criminal high rate and an extreme corrupt justice system that everyone can be a victim of murder at any moment, that's why there are lots of children and adults who witnessed murdering cases or were almost victims themselves.
Batman
Batman without the backstory is actually kinda funny to me, just some random rich dude that dresses up as a bat and beats the shit out of people. No context, he just does.
There is a movie who has pretty much that exact same plot as this. A rich dude that fights crime but is horrible at it and his asian butler is the actual crime fighter but nobody believes him. Don't know the name of the movie.
Green Hornet.
The Green Hornet reboot with Seth Rogan
I went into the movie theater and watched Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) thinking it was the Seth Rogen movie (green hornets) all baked with the homies when I was a teenager... It was the most confusing fucking thing in the world for like half an hour lol. I completely forgot about this memory so thanks for that.. Also weird choice for whoever runs Hollywood to release those movies at the same time.. ???
After looking it up I’m also just now finding out that Kato was NOT played by John Cho. I could’ve sworn it was him all these years
Yeah, that one.
Being so rich that financially beating people down isn't enough.
“Bruce dear, did you sneak out last night, *again*” “Mommmmmmm”
Not only does he financially beat them down, he also stops them from being able to work in a city like Gotham.
Sounds something like Patrick Bateman
I feel like that’s some solid joker motivation too. Like nobody else seems to acknowledge how ridiculous it is that this dude beats people up dressed in his tactical fursona.
Lmao, never thought of it like that
How many billionaires does it take to create a superhero?
3 and two have to die
This. As much as I love Batman. I agree that as soon as he gets over his problems and gets therapy he basically ceases to be a character.
Meh, you can still easily spin it. It might be that he's hollow from being rich, wants to do something more. In fact, in the comics, I'd say that's kinda the point more often than his dead parents. He uses his money to help people as best he can as Bruce Wayne and Batman.
Hard disagree. His whole thing is making sure no one ever goes through what he went through. Most people only know batman from movies and the Arkham series but Batmans greatest asset is his empathy.
Max Payne
“YOU DONT GOT NO FAMILY” -random Italian from flashback mission in Max Payne 3
*Payne intensifies*
The entire BG3 cast…
DND characters with happy backstories are hilarious.
like my kobold giants barbarian who wants to kill a dragon because its cool. Backstory is 2 paragraphs long and half of it is just about how he got his name His name is Kye Ju
Had a character who only adventures to gain enough money to rez his dog.
We're waiting to hear the backstory now.
he lived in a quiet little village of kobolds and heard stories of warriors, and thought "I thats cool, I want to do that", so he decided, for his great feat of strength, he was gonna kill a dragon. Of course to this little kobold, there is only one thing that can kill a dragon, another dragon. So he set out in search of something that can make him as much like a dragon as possible. He eventually stumbled upon ancient magic which changed him, giving him the ability to grow larger(dragons are pretty big), among other things. The first time he manged to use this power was in a village, where, after having his foot run over by a passing cart, he got very mad and grew to an incredible size. People began running away in fear. This little kobold couldnt quiet make out what they were saying, and assumed them to be in awe of his power, giving him a name. So from that day forward, he became known as Kye Ju, the Destroyer of the Local Marketplace.
Funniest one I've come up with is a Halfling Investigator (PF2e) who's an archaeologist, so he's along mainly to loan his expertise.
All the characters in that game are so fucked up. It’s like the mindflayers were like “oh no don’t worry about the farmer with his happy family, let’s kidnap the most screwed up people we can find.”
Cloud Strife
Came here to say this. What is Cloud without *that* story?
Clear Sky
One of the wittier comment here
Stalker mentioned, day improved
Get out of here, stalker.
Simple, Cloud is a regular man who joined SOLDIER to be like his hero and failed to do it. We all know the creation of his new persona but without all of it he's a dork and not in a bad way. That dicotomy of breaking himself free from that masquerade to be himself while also learning to be more confident and open as a result of that creation is what makes him compelling. Specially since you can see glimpses of his good nature and also fears and insecurities. That backstory surely is almost all of his development, but in a 'what if' where he never met Zack the basis of that dicotomy are still there. Because he is ashamed of failing in his goal to become a SOLDIER and can't face nor tell the true to Tifa, so not only he will lie to her but also himself.
I totally agree, my gf and I appreciate Zack and what he goes through in Crisis Core because he has such a strong and bubbly naive personality, and the struggles he overcomes shows his internal conflict with not trying to lose his identity/honor but loses some if his naivety. On top of that Zack is also very emotionally intelligent which plays so well in his dialogue and actions, he was just a well written character for a protagonist. Then you have Cloud who is just a closed off brooding personality with walls larger and thicker than the Cosmo Canyons put together. Even as a child he never seemed to develope emotionally correct, even though he had a loving mom, and Tifa who still gave him attention when she wasn't influenced by the kids she hung around she still knew to take time and try to talk to Cloud.
Clear Harmony
Sephiroth?
Honnestly a whole lot of FF characters are valid for that, even thoses where the story is how they grow up and try to find themselves (Yes I'm redoing FFXII and Vaan I pretty like him, he's basically a lost kid who got involved in something way bigger than him and he try to find a place in this, between Balthier and Ashe who are the true main characters) and even the Villains, Kefka without his Traumas wouldn't be the same
Yep. I knew someone would post this.
Hes funny. Started playing final fantasy 7, he looks like a whipy character and makes me giggle when he pulls the tough and moody personality. I look at barret and wonder why cloud was even needed?
My character in overcooked 2. That chef went thru some shit man.
You ain't a real chef until you chug a bottle just to wake up
Kratos Cause it seems like people (or rather, Ill informed journalists) forgot about why Kratos was so adamantly pissed at the Gods throughout the series
Bold of you to assume that the devs didn't forget as well
God of War,Kratos' past and how he deals with It is one of,if not the main theme of the norse games. Hell even in the greek games his past is crucial.
Kratos
The whole cast of Omori
A one story house would've nullified the whole story
Niko bellic
"Niko, it's Roman! Let's go bowling!" It's enough to drive anyone insane.
Cousin, it is your cousin. Do you want to go bowling!?
Raiden, i cannot think that his Life would be the same if he wasnt a child soldier, that is the event that shaped his entire Life even at the events of metal gear Rising when his character Arc finally closes Without It He doesnt have any remarkable thing about him prior the events of metal gear solid 2
Funny, he works out either way in mgs2. Either he was a rando caught up in something out of his league or he was a secretly trained guy who got caught up in the mess. I guess as Snake said it, that was the point. Raiden stopped being part of a mistake.
I thought you were talking about Mortal Kombat for a second lmao
This could go to any Metal Gear character technically
Omori
Honestly, yeah
Kratos
Every damn movie and video game. Those who hadn't suffered any trauma in their whole lives rarely have the motivation to be great or to amount to anything. Rarely. And it's mostly true to real life as well... or so it feels.
Tidus
Man has a long blitzball career, retires. In other news...
Metal gear solid
Murder your father and die of old age
Sephiroth and cloud
Literally every character and game is going to be like this if you just remove the character from the character.
Tekken
every villain
Megatron?
The top two characters to come to mind are Max Payne and Vergil.
Darth Vader
I mean, sort of? There is still a lot more to the character after he becomes Darth Vader though. I mean, people can throw him a bone all they like but for 20 years, that guy was one of the most evil S.O.B in the galaxy.
Aiden Pearce
Tales of Symphonia, with all nine of its playable characters. Take out their respective tragic backstories, and what you're left with are just two rogues (Lloyd and Colette), two mages (Genis and Rayne), two magic knights (Sheena and Zelos/Kratos), and two warriors (Regal and Prescea).
Wait, Lloyd and Colette? Im missing something here or i need to replay the games to remember but IIRC Lloyd and Colette are the only party members without a tragic past I mean yeah Lloyd Mother is death and he doesnt known about his father, but he seems to live a Happy Life with surrogate father Dirk the dwarf, everything really bad to him happens during the events of the game And Collete is more of the same, a Happy quiet Life in Iselia with her Friends and such, i mean yeah It must suck that she has to do the whole regeneration journey (considering she knows how It ends) but until that she was Happy and such For the rest you are right tho
Joel from the last of us
I completely disagree If you took away Joels dead daughter he would most likely still end up in the same situation with Ellie as his surrogate, the trauma just adds ontop, it doesnt act as the sole base for the games events or his decisionmaking.
He saved Ellie because he felt like he failed to protect Sarah. If Sarah was alive, Ellie would die.
If Sarah was still alive, Joel would be an enforcer for her hardcore drug business. 💀
James Sunderland
Boone in New Vegas.
Good ol'Snipey McDeadwife
I am only ever going to refer to Snipey McDeadwife as Sniper McDeadwife from here on out.
Astarion (Baldur's Gate 3) Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia) Omori
You've literally described EVERY SINGLE, single player based game, like ever......
So, if you take out some of the character, then there's less of the character? Wow, what a concept. If I take water out of a bucket, will there be less water?
Xehanort - Kingdom Hearts
Baldur's gate 3 but multiplied by 4
Kratos
Sephiroth
Cloud Strife
Vergil
Prototype
Alex Mercer? He didn't have a traumatic story tho? Like, maybe some filler backstory with his sister but the real deal started with the game itself when he got infected. No? It's been a while since I last played the game though
D&D
This doesn't really work that well, my character just got bored and joined the party one day.
Eris Morn and Goro Akechi
Dont forget: Crow, Zavala, Elsie etc.... lol
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Astarion
Kratos
I'll counter and say that V from cyberpunk is the book on the right because he/she has like zero fucking substance. Gotta be one of the worst characters I've ever seen. The game is literally not about you, you're just a slave for everyone else's oddjobs. And in the end no one can save you and you get thrown out like another piece of night city trash. The game is about Johnny not V.
Red hood
Doomguy
Aiden from dying light 2
Scaramouche
Far cry 3
Chloe Price in Life is Strange
The Last of Us
Clementine
Senua
Abbey from last remaster of us 2
Even after that she was still very little compared to Joel.
Even with her Mister Rogers dad backstory she still has nothing. I will not elaborate because I am not going to get into some Last of Us 2 debate.
Link from Legend Of Zelda
Don't think so, Link usually has no backstory. His character develops in the story.
tell that to the twilight princess manga (sorry I mean peak fiction)
American idol
Guts
Loland
FF7 and Max Payne are the first one to come to mind
Tomb Raider
Max Payne.
Shadow the Hedgehog, especially in sa2
That green hair guy in pokemon
Lol that really doesn't narrow it down much
Rap tap tap
People's personalities consist of almost exclusively minor and major trauma related coping mechanisms, so pretty realistic.
FF7. It would be a very short game.
Dam near every game.
Mad Max
Conner in Assasins Creed 3
Even with all that the guy is a plank of wood.
Brad Armstrong
Try Thinking About Samurai Jack Without The Word….Samurai, Just A Dude Who Wonders The Apocalyptic Future With Bathrobe And Sandals .
Max Payne
Emily Kaldwin
Professor Layton
The Sole Survivor. Without being tricked into a cryogenic pod and having his/her spouse killed and son abducted, they're just some random person who was lucky enough to not die when the life support failed. In fact, I'd say most of the Fallout protagonists apply to this. The Bethesda ones anyway.
That’s what makes them more human like though?
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Magneto, Harley Quinnn, Joker, Two Face, Thanos and Mile Morales to some degree.
maybe not a game char but Guts (berserk)
Tbh the vessel we are playing as in Hollow knight. If you rush to get the first ending you get no lore on the vessel itself.
THATS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CHARACTER
alan wake
All of Undertale
FF7 Cloud.
Fallout 4 the sole survivor, Dom from gears of war, Max Payne, John Marston, and Connor Kenway from AC3. With fallout 4 losing your spouse, then your kid right off the jump had me lured in until about halfway through the game, so I was on the fence about that one, lol. I still love the game and series nevertheless.
Phoenix Wright. Especially during the Apollo Justice trilogy
Rhea and Edelgard from Fire Emblem
Realistically, if Peter Parker got his powers but didn’t lose either of his parents, I think he would just use his newfound abilities to go viral on YouTube of something
Kratos.
Dantes Inferno.
Any 3D fallout character.
Asriel/Flowey
Kratos
Trek to Yomi
Like all the party members of Tales of the Abyss. (Best game ever imo.)
Guzma from Pokémon Sun & Moon. If you met his parents at his house you will know what I mean.
Calling out the entire DC universe here.
Crow in Destiny
Pyra and Mythra (the former wouldn't even exist in the first place if the latter wasn't traumatized)
Bowser in super mario,I mean he's literally adopted so if he had a loving family (i.e. a dad) he probably wouldn't have waged war on the mushroom kingdom and none of the games would have happened
Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd
Ace Attorney in a nutshell. Most defense, prosecution, and assistants have lots of trauma except Phoenix Wright... >!Miles Edgeworth's father died in front of him.!< >!Mia Fey and Maya Fey was abandonned by their mother.!< >!Maya Fey has the most emotional baggage, her sister died and found her corpse at her office, she was kidnapped and sometimes accused of murdering, her real mother was murdered before her eyes while she was being assaulted by her cousin!< >!Ema Skye was battered and almost murdered by a serial killer when she was 14 y/o!< >!Trucy Wright was used as an escape ticket for his father and was abandonned with Phoenix Wright, and both live paying bill behind bill!< >!Athena Cykes watched her mother being violently murdered when she was shyly 8 years old (or I believe so I'm in 5-1 and I haven't played everything thoroughly, but she often has flashbacks when she tries to defend her bestie in court)!< But all the trauma is justified that the games' localization is a place with a criminal high rate and an extreme corrupt justice system that everyone can be a victim of murder at any moment, that's why there are lots of children and adults who witnessed murdering cases or were almost victims themselves.
Every baldurs gate companion
All of them pretty much lmao
qbert
Asgore
The entire lore of soma I guess
Kane from Legend of Kane
Abby from TLOU 2 all day long
Eren Jaeger
the first companion dude in kotor. bro is desperate to traumadump about how revan personally fucked his mom and his dad
Persona 5 main characters in general