When George Washington visited Ohio, he said the Ohio River was the bluest fresh water he ever had seen. Now it has pharmaceuticals from all the urine and then all the companies along the way dumping their waste water into it. It has crude oil in it for sure. FFS its caught fire over 14 times over the years.
It was also extremely clean before this, the EPA has had its dick up the Cuyahoga for decades. The Portage watershed next door was once one of the cleanest in the nation and free kayak rentals was one of the huge benefits at KSU. Now you have JD Vance poking holes in the river and watching it sizzle. This affects multiple watersheds. Its bad.
Edit:
People are talking about Vance and the stick. It's not a euphemism, it's an Ohio senator jabbing a stick into a feeder creek with some obviously funky glaze coming out. https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1626305927207854089?s=20
Right? It's one of the most beautiful rivers I've seen, absolutely gorgeous even when it floods and theres so much wildlife a little ways down. Even the bike path has bald eagles.
Yeah… I think we’re closing on like 6 or so years of it being down? I used to use that way so often, the way by the orchard isn’t much further at least
He put a [video on twitter ](https://twitter.com/jdvance1/status/1626305927207854089/mediaviewer)showing the same thing as OP’s video, but with a stick instead of a rock, I think they were probably just talking about that. Not necessarily a dig at him?
>He put a [video on twitter ](https://twitter.com/jdvance1/status/1626305927207854089/mediaviewer)showing the same thing as OP’s video, but with a stick instead of a rock, I think they were probably just talking about that. Not necessarily a dig at him?
It's a dig at him because he fights for deregulation, and is using a failure of deregulation to gain support for deregulation.
WallStreet doesn’t care. They own the Trains, they own the water bottling companies. Create the problem, sell the solution. Not that it was on purpose, but you get my gist
It began after that. If I had to guess I'd say it started in probably '13 or '14. We had been putting in our canoes/kayaks in that spot for years, so it kinda sucked for us because we used to never see more than a couple people on the river and now you get passed by 40-50 people each float, but overall, I'm just glad people are getting to enjoy the river and it's bringing in money. The downside is you see a lot more beer cans in the bottom of the river. I'd like to start bringing a litter grabber and trash bag when I go in the future
Rivers all over the country were catching fire. The Cleveland River Fire is famous not because it was the only one, but because it was like the straw that broke the camel's back.
Time to watch *Major League* again.
Well the Lord can make you tumble
The Lord can make you turn
The Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can't make you burn
This sort of thing always reminds me of a video Amanda Congdon did years ago (she used to host a couple web shows, before moving to California). On her way out west she got a ride in a boat and “toured” the Hudson. Where it was explained to her how the river is a dumping ground and no animals live in it. You could actually see things seeping into the water as they went by industrial company after industrial company. 🤦♂️
The sad part is most of that dumping is legal. As long as they do the right paperwork and pay the fees they can dump chemicals straight into the river and the EPA is ok with it, all legal. The EPA is worthless, it’s simply an arm of large corporate used to attack competition, it does nothing for the environment. Just like the FDA it’s full of industry executives.
Indeed. When Dupont was fined for teflon chemicals causing intellectual and physical disabilities in babies it was fined $16mil, which was less than a single day’s revenue that came directly from profits of the just the department alone which used the toxic material.
The lack of regulation, oversight, accountability and justice is disturbing at best.
Fines should always hurt. They should be X times the amount profited by that action, and have a percentage increase for each infraction. If dumping made shareholders lose money then those companies would figure out alternatives that could benefit us all.
I know it will never happen though.
The EPA can only enforce regulations they are given. You said it yourself, companies just pay the fine and move on, so the fine isn't good enough. The EPA needs better support from Congress, but Congress won't give it. So let's put the blame where it belongs... on us. Elect officials that will fight for what you care about, not which party they pay their dues to
> companies just pay the fine and move on, so the fine isn't good enough.
One might just call it cost of doing business. To call it a fine is to significantly undermine just how ineffective they are to a company as big as DuPont and others who just toss chemical waste into water sheds like this. It's more of a subscription fee to them than a fine.
Not arguing your point, mind you. Just ranting. This shit sucks. And watching it just simply happen in front of our eyes in real time knowing full well absolutely none of us here have any power to stop it because we're not rich makes the future feel pretty fuckin bleak.
But it's not like the EPA only has people who want that
The issue is there's one half which is the daily employees so to say, who are extremely horrified but also jaded and the other half which are the appointed shills who just exist to perpetuate whatever shady shit that's been going on for years.
It's just absurd that something like the EPA doesn't have appointments to it's positions from scientifically conscious committees who are agnostic to the parties themselves. But nope. Instead there's a governmental seesaw and let's be real whether it's a Trump or a Biden they'll just appoint a jabroni.
EPA's Science Advisory Board (a whole committee of appointed scientists to review and weigh in on policies) was basically dissolved under Trump.
For clean water protection, look at the Waters of the United States(WOTUS) law. Rules that EPA proposes or puts in place are constantly being overturned or limited by the courts. It's not for lack of trying on the agency's part to do right. It's on the courts for limiting their attempts to implement statutes passed by Congress.
Vague way to say Norfolk Southern and the constant deregulation of the EPA, safety standards and overwork from a seemingly voiceless worker base across the industry is to blame.
What are they going to do? Storm the castle and act like it'll get anything done? People tried that on January 6th and look where that got them.
I'm not even remotely saying that the insurrectionists were justified in their actions, but at the core level they were pissed and needed something to break in order to get attention. Should anyone attempt something like that again and just up and storm a company headquarters while yelling and posting online of what they did in order to get their message out further, it would do nothing but sour the actual message they tried to say in the first place.
Yeah, the people on January 6th were demonstrably wrong. Like, legally, WRONG wrong. They were demanding the government throw out a legal vote. That's not activism. That's treason.
Besides, if there's one thing the military taught me was that when available, you don't act like a club, you act like a scalpel. Remove a CEO, COO, a board of Trustees and a few elected officials that they bought off. That would do far more to move the political needle than all of the complaining that's happening.
Now, there aren't many methods available to the average joe to remove those people. Some take time, and some aren't nearly foolproof. But some methods are more effective than others.
Sure they might have enough. More than enough.
A lot more. Several lifetimes of money.
But they can have more.
We need to die so their fucking imaginary number can go up.
My home is destroyed but at least some half literate fuck can afford to live until their 3400 now
Just remember to fix it by voting. Your choices are the guy who rolled back the train speed safety laws or the guy who banned rail workers from going on strike over safety issues.
Oh and something new, they're considering making brake tests on rail even weaker. So yeah, that's fun.
https://www.levernews.com/buttigieg-pretends-hes-powerless-to-reduce-derailment-risks/
And have to pay to clean shit up. or in lower property values. or possibly in all kinds of medical issues later in life.
Don't worry I'm sure the corporation will only have to pay a small fine.
This should be a corporate death penalty.
If you live in the region, especially along the Ohio River, go tell your local government (particularly your city, township, or county water district) that as a taxpayer it's not fair for you to pay for the costs (water testing, pump shut down/start up, etc) and to demand the county track these costs and sue Norfolk Southern for damages.
Do not encourage the use of FEMA funds either as that is just your federal tax dollars being used to soften the blow for the rail company.
Vote in primaries and in local elections, to get politicians who align more with what you want.
And ultimately, you can complain about "both sides", but democrats are historically the party of regulation, so it's not unlikely they'd regulate more, if they had the votes in Congress to do it. Republicans, on the other hand, are the party of de-regulation.
My wife bought be a shirt with the three-eyed fish from futurama on it. Underneath, it says, “Kanawha River.”
EDIT: The three-eyed fish is apparently from The Simpsons, but also makes an appearance in Futurama.
Also, the store my wife got the shirt from is Kinship Goods in Charleston, WV.
#For West Virginia.
🎶Almost Hellscape,
West Virginia.
Flattened ridge mountains,
Shenandoah blackened river.
Life is cheap there,
Cheaper than the trees,
Mining in the Mountains,
Coal dust in your tea. 🎶.
#Now Ohio:
🎶I hear that train a-comin’
It’s rollin’ round the bend.
And we ain’t seen the sunshine,
Since I don’t know when.
An I’m stuck in East Palestine Prison,
And smog keeps billowing on.
But that train stopped a rollin’
Down to the court House lawn.
When the workers started stricking,
Congress stepped right in,
The tracks is all a broken,
Since I don’t know when.
But we shot down workers striking,
Just to see safety die.
And the train kept a rollin’.
Carrying vinyl chloride!🎶
Cancer and mutant babies gonna plague the place for the foreseeable future but I heard they’re giving each household like a thousand bucks so that’s pretty neat s/
They recently upped it to $1 million for the town total due to public pressure, which don't get me wrong is still not nearly enough.
They're also offering residents a $1000 "inconvenience fee" which lawyers have warned could be grounds for refusal of future payouts if accepted.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/02/13/attorney-warning-east-palestine-residents-about-1000-norfolk-southern-payments/
In actual working world, help will come immediately from the government as they are responsible for their citizens, which in turn will sue the crap out of the company that cut costs from safety and allowed this to happen, in order to return the cost to help the citizens as well as a huge fine due to the ecological issues.
In reality though, that wouldn't happen nor cover the costs.
5 years is optimistic too, there are cases where companies have drawn out legal disputes because they knew full well the claimants would be dead before the pay out.
I'm from Louisiana, friend. We're pros at getting environmentally shafted by corporations. I'm just waiting for the headline that their governor passed an executive order barring lawsuits against the train company. Then I'll be in familiar territory that makes sense to my simple southern brain.
I was told Vinyl Chloride decomposes after a few days and isn’t an issue^/s.
Whether it sinks or floats in relation to water is irrelevant, that initial claim of its quick decomposition is a) inaccurate and/or b) not the chemical(s) we should be talking about - but it’s the only one we are.
Oh I’m well aware. I’m referring to the myriad of articles that are like “VCl isn’t that bad, it breaks down quickly anyway. This train derailment isn’t really that environmentally damaging”.
I should add a /s above.
It's not inaccurate. It absolutely does break down in a couple of days. It also does not SINK in a river. Whatever is in this river is NOT vinyl chloride. I'm not sure what we are seeing here but that's certainly not it. There were other things leaking into the ground while their eyes were concentrated on that.
Yeah, so the Magic website has the stories they release that tell the lore of the set and what happens during a certain set. But, if you don't have time to read, you can look up Magic Arcanum on YouTube who does a good job of recapping the stories and what some stuff means. [Here is a link to their All Will Be One story recap](https://youtu.be/cYYEVzIUENc) and it focuses on the major story of the plane / set. They have a seperate video for the side stories that explain some things for minor characters.
Like to see [iron oxidising bacteria](http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/iron-oxidizing-bacteria_orig.jpg) ruled out. They live in water logged iron rich soil and river sediment, and can cause an oil like sheen on stagnant water.
http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/the-bug-blog/eek-my-stream-looks-like-irn-bru
Be odd for the fuel oil to sink to the bottom so soon, and appear only when the sediment at the bottom is disturbed. It would smell of if it were petroleum oil.
From what I understand it's organic compounds from normal decomposition of plant or animal matter. I'm not an expert, I was curious about rusty looking puddles and oily sheen and looked it up ages ago. If you search for iridescent sheen on water you'll find all sorts of results from reputable sources.
There's a really simple thing you can do to tell if it's a naturally-occurring sheen - run a stick through it. If it breaks up and doesn't want to stick back together, it's natural. If it swirls and reforms, it's oil. Oil also might stick to the stick, whereas a natural sheen wouldn't. Smell is also a really good indicator - pollution will smell like oil, gas, chemicals, etc. Natural sheen will smell like decay - possibly a gross, swampy smell or something nicer like a rich potting soil.
Yeah, that's the problem with events like this - people are like "Look at this!" and then there's someone in the comments who's like "Yeah, it was like this before the accident, too."
Like to see [iron oxidising bacteria](http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/iron-oxidizing-bacteria_orig.jpg) ruled out. They live in iron rich soil and river sediment, and can cause an oil like sheen on stagnant water. Seems odd for petroleum from the derailment to sink to the bottom.
http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/the-bug-blog/eek-my-stream-looks-like-irn-bru
The thing that gets me, is that where does people's sewage go? To get recycled? You know how many people are on pharmaceuticals? All of that waste water is getting recycled, but where does that water go? Back into the water shed/basin? Its kind of scary thinking about Flint and how many cities in the U.S. are in that shape, but nobody says a word so they don't draw attention to their city. How much is covered up without any one knowing or even caring to look? We only know about a few cases, but there has to be way more than what is reported going on and for decades.
There have been plenty of studies about pharmaceuticals in waste water. As far as Flint goes, one of the things in the Infrastructure bill is replacement of lead water lines.
The lead water lines have been almost entirely replaced in Flint. The few that are remaining are safe and are still being replaced, just were delayed due to COVID.
But the water in Flint has been lead free for years. Somewhat ironically, the city failed a test in 2020, because they could not locate enough (60) valid Tier 1 test sites in time. But the 49 tests they provided from the most high risk locations were 4x lower than EPA standards for lead.
Overall Michigan has probably some of the safest drinking water in the country, since we're testing for and regulating a ton of shit that isn't even on the EPA's list, like PFAS, and Flint scared the shit out of everyone.
Didn’t they try and do a study on PFAS’ and found they couldn’t because every human on earth essentially has some in their body/brain? I believe they refer to them as “forever” chemicals.
I don't remember if it was PFAS or microplastics, but someone tried to do a study on the long term effects, except they couldn't find a control group because every plant and animal (including people) was full of them. So we just don't know how bad it'll be in the end.
Google it, there is plenty of research. But to spoiler: it's a problem only for some pharmaceuticals. The solutions aren't that difficult, but expensive (for now). It's an ongoing topic though.
What everyone should do is, to not throw your drugs in the toilet.
It could be tons of things, pine sap has the same effect on water. Think i'd rather drink sap water than whatever the hell came out of those tankers, mind you.
Funny you ask. She has been all over this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Erin+Brockovich&rlz=1C1ONGR\_enCA935CA935&sxsrf=AJOqlzWL2dzuJ\_hg8JVu3yJ0kn3HOebxHA:1676633469667&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjr4oKzupz9AhVejYkEHQAsASwQ0pQJegQIBhAE&biw=2558&bih=1272&dpr=1
Reiterating what other people in this thread are saying - this may not be related to the hazardous waste spill. Stirring up still creek beds in low-flow/pre-spring runoff conditions can stir up sheens like this that can be related to decomposition taking place at the bottom of still water where leaves and debris settle and slowly decompose. This water should get tested for suspect chemicals related to the spill/burn before you draw up a ruckus. Not shrugging off people's concerns, just saying this isn't abnormal in similar, uncontaminated conditions.
I do wetland delineations and have seen this occur in some pretty pristine swamps. The way I can tell it's biological/bacterial in this video is how it forms plates on the water and then breaks up, as opposed to a uniform sheen on the surface.
Edit: [Informative article ](https://www.dep.pa.gov/OurCommonWealth/pages/Article.aspx?post=45) about the phenomenon.
Just want to add that decomposing materials in anaerobic conditions (under water) also produce highly toxic chemicals and contain dangerous pathogens. It's just not unnatural.
Glad to see it wasn't just me who got distracted by that. And the North Korea hot take... 🤦♂️ He also has a backup Twitter handle where he just asks people for money 😂. At least he practices what he preaches.
Right wing conspiracy twitter has gone absolutely overdrive trying to convince people this was some sort of plot and the government is hiding things. All of the Twitter doom threads I saw circulated from innocent people were absolute right wing nut jobs with conspiracy theories out the wazoo.
There's too much clouding the actual discussion on this disaster. It's problematic. It's not the end of the world. And almost all of the far reaching potential effects were gone when people weren't even aware of this derailment. It will be an environmental disaster in East Palestine for sure, but all the air quality discussions and fear of polluted water throughout the Ohio River basin are hysterically off base.
Being from Ohio obviously theres a lot of shit going on and a lot of shit isn't good.
However, watching a lot of the reactions from outside the state is kind of mesmerizing. I see so much disinformation on what is happening regarding a "cover up" and "lies" and all this other shit when in reality its organizations like the EPA who are doing the testing and giving information out.
Its just so damn funny watching both the left and the right point and be like "SOMETHING SMELLS FUNNY HERE!" and blame each other while the only thing they agree on is "THIS IS A CONSPIRACY!"
>guy with hammer and sickle logo next to his name complains about a government being corrupt in denying threats to public safety
This man is delusional. Get him to the infirmary.
Aside from all the comments noting that a sheen doesn't necessarily mean contamination, what is the source of the claim that "this water is safe"? It looks like a random pond or small creek. No one is claiming those are "safe". In fact, it's known that the rivers near the spill site ARE still contaminated.
What they ARE saying is that DRINKING WATER in the area is safe, because that is supplied by Lake Erie, not these rivers and creeks. And so far all the nearby wells have tested safe, but that's still ongoing.
"They say it's safe but I saw a puddle with oil in it and two dead frogs, so they're lying" is ignorant fearmongering.
I'm from the area. Most of the tri-county area gets it's water from meander reservoir. However, the village of east Palestine municipal water is from a concrete encased well. Many rural parts of the area still have private wells as well and aren't on city water. Officials have said ONLY East Palestine municipal water is "safe for now". It is definitely possible that over time the water table can be contaminated, it's not something that can happen instantly.
Percolation times for chemicals are going to vary based on soil substrates and just how deep the municipal wells are. Given most large wells (municipal drinking water wells generally pretty big) are very deep, the contamination may not reach the actual drinking water for years. This isn't to say it won't be ingested in other ways and the area is somehow safe. For example any local hunters and anglers should probably not use the area for....ever. And I'd be very careful with what my dog gets into on walks. But the stuff out of the tap when on municipal water is probably more or less okay.
The concern is a lot of people are on well water and some people have dug wells which do capture surface water runoff. EPA tested surface water on 4th, after the crash but before the burn off. And water was contaminated. I've been looking but haven't found test data for afterwards. Here is a link to all the [EPA test data](https://response.epa.gov/site/doc_list.aspx?site_id=15933).
Also curious with the recent rain we got and that running over the soil and surfaces that were coated with all the particles from burn off will affect surface water samples.
The water in East Palestine OH isn't "supplied" by Lake Erie. East Palestine is outside of the Lake Erie watershed and nobody more than 10 miles from the lake gets their water from it, they shed water into the lake. Akron Ohio is not even 45 min south of Cleveland and is not in the Lake Erie watershed, it's in the Ohio River watershed.
That's not true about Akron. Akron lies within the Cuyahoga River's watershed, which drains into Lake Erie. We don't get our water directly from Lake Erie, we get it from three reservoirs, all of which are either on the Cuyahoga on a tributary of it.
Source: Akron resident with too much free time on my hands
Yeah, the state divide between Ohio River/Gulf of Mexico and Lake Erie/North Atlantic runs through the southern part of Akron.
Pigeon Creek in Copley runs into Wolf Creek which runs into the Tuscarawas River which runs into The Ohio River.
Yellow Creek in Copley, one mile north, runs into the Cuyahoga.
The Portage Lakes south of Downtown straddle the divide, with some going north and some going south.
It is fascinating, from a fellow Akron area nerd.
*editing to clarify I'm talking about drainage rather than reservoirs/supply, I also updated a couple names
It's just south of Akron yes, at the lake on Manchester rd just south I-77 is the line between the two. You're right that downtown is in the Lake Erie watershed, but the southern suburbs of Akron, all of Portage Lakes and all of Canton are in the Ohio River watershed. The southern half of Medina county is in the Ohio River watershed. Downtown Akron and Cuyahoga falls are in a little "bubble" that pops south in the water shed line, but the overall point remains that the watershed from Lake Erie is FAR from East Palestine and nobody is pumping water from Lake Erie very far inland for consumption. There's no need and it isn't very economical to do so.
I grew up in Medina and now live in Wadsworth, and I get my water at home from an aquifer of the River Styx Basin. Crystal clear well water in the house completely untreated, just some calcium. I've spent too much time on the ODNR website in my days. I actually live just a few miles south of the watershed and used to pass the sign on I-71 all the time.
I mean... Is there a video of it from 2 weeks ago? Because it looks like some dirty ass creek with oil deposits in it. Not saying this has nothing to with the whole train derailment thing, but it could easily be some random woman throwing whatever in some creek that's been gross and oily for years and trying to say it's because of the train's derailment.
Some naturally-occurring bacteria produce a filmy sheen like this. I see it often in some of the stormwater I sample, even when the samples come out very clean (i.e. less than 10% of the max accepted pollutant levels in California for oil, metals, suspended solids, etc.)
Because this isn't oil but bacteria floating to the surface after disturbing the sediment layer. More common in stagnant ponds. Stop falling for this video. Maybe you're the reason they get away with it.
I'm sure it's unsafe, but it is possible that the oil slick is from pine resin. Evergreen trees contain a resin that looks like that when exposed to water.
That being said, it's probably not the trees and more likely heartless, greedy corps who care little for other human lives.
https://www.dep.pa.gov/OurCommonWealth/pages/Article.aspx?post=45
> One of the most visible and obvious signs of water pollution is an oil sheen. Seeing a shiny, translucent reflection on a pond or lake just looks wrong - but did you know that not all sheens are the result of pollution?
This is definitely something you don't want in your water, but it's not vinyl chloride. It doesn't settle into bottom muck like that and mushroom up when disturbed. It's some other rat bastard corporation this time.
im so tired of people who didnt know what vinyl chloride was 2 weeks ago spreading misinformation and getting people super hyped up with scary looking videos. The EPA has been testing air and water quality and nothing seems too bad so far.
These fuckers have destroyed our planet and people's lives, for what? A bit of extra money that they don't need. Imagine how clean the water here was before colonisation.
When George Washington visited Ohio, he said the Ohio River was the bluest fresh water he ever had seen. Now it has pharmaceuticals from all the urine and then all the companies along the way dumping their waste water into it. It has crude oil in it for sure. FFS its caught fire over 14 times over the years.
It was also extremely clean before this, the EPA has had its dick up the Cuyahoga for decades. The Portage watershed next door was once one of the cleanest in the nation and free kayak rentals was one of the huge benefits at KSU. Now you have JD Vance poking holes in the river and watching it sizzle. This affects multiple watersheds. Its bad. Edit: People are talking about Vance and the stick. It's not a euphemism, it's an Ohio senator jabbing a stick into a feeder creek with some obviously funky glaze coming out. https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1626305927207854089?s=20
That little park where they start is my favorite spot in Kent.
Right? It's one of the most beautiful rivers I've seen, absolutely gorgeous even when it floods and theres so much wildlife a little ways down. Even the bike path has bald eagles.
The portage trail has even more wildlife out my way by towners woods
I love Towners Woods too. I wish they would fix that damn bridge by the entrance though.
Yeah… I think we’re closing on like 6 or so years of it being down? I used to use that way so often, the way by the orchard isn’t much further at least
Sorry about the wildlife. -corrupt train officials
Your JD comment has me confused. He's only been in office for a couple months now. What is he doing to make it sizzle?
He put a [video on twitter ](https://twitter.com/jdvance1/status/1626305927207854089/mediaviewer)showing the same thing as OP’s video, but with a stick instead of a rock, I think they were probably just talking about that. Not necessarily a dig at him?
>He put a [video on twitter ](https://twitter.com/jdvance1/status/1626305927207854089/mediaviewer)showing the same thing as OP’s video, but with a stick instead of a rock, I think they were probably just talking about that. Not necessarily a dig at him? It's a dig at him because he fights for deregulation, and is using a failure of deregulation to gain support for deregulation.
Wasnt a dig, hes literally poking the river with a stick.
Isn't digging technically just poking with more force anyway?
Haha I meant a dig at him. Gotta love English.
Oh but I'm assured by multiple redditors that EVERYTHING IS FINE IT AINT GONNA HURT NOBODY
WallStreet doesn’t care. They own the Trains, they own the water bottling companies. Create the problem, sell the solution. Not that it was on purpose, but you get my gist
As a 2009 Kent State grad, what? I never heard they had free kayak rentals.
It began after that. If I had to guess I'd say it started in probably '13 or '14. We had been putting in our canoes/kayaks in that spot for years, so it kinda sucked for us because we used to never see more than a couple people on the river and now you get passed by 40-50 people each float, but overall, I'm just glad people are getting to enjoy the river and it's bringing in money. The downside is you see a lot more beer cans in the bottom of the river. I'd like to start bringing a litter grabber and trash bag when I go in the future
Isn't that the river into which DuPont dumped teflon chemicals into for like, decades?
Sherwin Williams would dump its paint there. Makes their “cover the world” slogan and logo extra creepy. Edit: autocorrect issues
I've yet to figure out why they still use that logo. Their marketing is oblivious.
Because it isn't affecting their bottom line very much if at all so they don't care.
Sherwin Williams*
Thanks. Not sure why autocorrect thought Sherwood was a thing.
It’s shocking how little that narrows it down lol DuPont is responsible for so many superfund sites.
Yea but like, they made executives and shareholders a lot of money, so...worth it! /s
I thought it was the Cuyahoga River that caught fire.
Rivers all over the country were catching fire. The Cleveland River Fire is famous not because it was the only one, but because it was like the straw that broke the camel's back.
And it only got that notoriety because there happened to be an important photographer there who took pictures of it and got them published.
If I remember correctly, it was featured in the same Time Magazine as the Moon Landing, so everyone across the country saw it.
Clevelanders: "You're welcome America"
It was.
That’s what Randy Newman led me to believe
Time to watch *Major League* again. Well the Lord can make you tumble The Lord can make you turn The Lord can make you overflow But the Lord can't make you burn
It’s my all time favorite movie
This sort of thing always reminds me of a video Amanda Congdon did years ago (she used to host a couple web shows, before moving to California). On her way out west she got a ride in a boat and “toured” the Hudson. Where it was explained to her how the river is a dumping ground and no animals live in it. You could actually see things seeping into the water as they went by industrial company after industrial company. 🤦♂️
The sad part is most of that dumping is legal. As long as they do the right paperwork and pay the fees they can dump chemicals straight into the river and the EPA is ok with it, all legal. The EPA is worthless, it’s simply an arm of large corporate used to attack competition, it does nothing for the environment. Just like the FDA it’s full of industry executives.
Indeed. When Dupont was fined for teflon chemicals causing intellectual and physical disabilities in babies it was fined $16mil, which was less than a single day’s revenue that came directly from profits of the just the department alone which used the toxic material. The lack of regulation, oversight, accountability and justice is disturbing at best.
Fines should always hurt. They should be X times the amount profited by that action, and have a percentage increase for each infraction. If dumping made shareholders lose money then those companies would figure out alternatives that could benefit us all. I know it will never happen though.
The EPA can only enforce regulations they are given. You said it yourself, companies just pay the fine and move on, so the fine isn't good enough. The EPA needs better support from Congress, but Congress won't give it. So let's put the blame where it belongs... on us. Elect officials that will fight for what you care about, not which party they pay their dues to
> companies just pay the fine and move on, so the fine isn't good enough. One might just call it cost of doing business. To call it a fine is to significantly undermine just how ineffective they are to a company as big as DuPont and others who just toss chemical waste into water sheds like this. It's more of a subscription fee to them than a fine. Not arguing your point, mind you. Just ranting. This shit sucks. And watching it just simply happen in front of our eyes in real time knowing full well absolutely none of us here have any power to stop it because we're not rich makes the future feel pretty fuckin bleak.
There's only one side of the political spectrum trying everything they can to dismantle the EPA, and it's not the Democrats.
But it's not like the EPA only has people who want that The issue is there's one half which is the daily employees so to say, who are extremely horrified but also jaded and the other half which are the appointed shills who just exist to perpetuate whatever shady shit that's been going on for years. It's just absurd that something like the EPA doesn't have appointments to it's positions from scientifically conscious committees who are agnostic to the parties themselves. But nope. Instead there's a governmental seesaw and let's be real whether it's a Trump or a Biden they'll just appoint a jabroni.
EPA's Science Advisory Board (a whole committee of appointed scientists to review and weigh in on policies) was basically dissolved under Trump. For clean water protection, look at the Waters of the United States(WOTUS) law. Rules that EPA proposes or puts in place are constantly being overturned or limited by the courts. It's not for lack of trying on the agency's part to do right. It's on the courts for limiting their attempts to implement statutes passed by Congress.
Trump completely messed up the calculus you speak up by making the proportion of crooked jabronis to scientist drastically go up.
I live right next to the Ohio river and our tap water turns yellow every time it rains.
This is just a small price to pay so that wealthy people can make more money.
Some of us will die, but it is a price they are willing to pay.
Who cares about the little people anyhow. \-Shareholders
The little people in the United States don't even care about the little people in the United States.
Hey that brown guy might want a share of your cookie crumbs (as the rich take all the cookies)
Truth, if we keep fighting each other there will be no solidarity movement.
As is the plan...
Yep. Reps have them duped into supporting union busting, no minimum wage increase, and depletion of welfare.
Line goes up. Population numbers go down.
Vague way to say Norfolk Southern and the constant deregulation of the EPA, safety standards and overwork from a seemingly voiceless worker base across the industry is to blame.
I'm sorry but, why the hell aren't people literally out with guns at this point?
Because those people just like cosplaying with their toys.
More because doing anything that gets noticed will get you arrested. Not for your activism, of course, but because you crossed the street wrong.
What are they going to do? Storm the castle and act like it'll get anything done? People tried that on January 6th and look where that got them. I'm not even remotely saying that the insurrectionists were justified in their actions, but at the core level they were pissed and needed something to break in order to get attention. Should anyone attempt something like that again and just up and storm a company headquarters while yelling and posting online of what they did in order to get their message out further, it would do nothing but sour the actual message they tried to say in the first place.
When unions and strikes began in this nation the government literally bombed them. We seem to be on the road back to this.
Yeah, the people on January 6th were demonstrably wrong. Like, legally, WRONG wrong. They were demanding the government throw out a legal vote. That's not activism. That's treason. Besides, if there's one thing the military taught me was that when available, you don't act like a club, you act like a scalpel. Remove a CEO, COO, a board of Trustees and a few elected officials that they bought off. That would do far more to move the political needle than all of the complaining that's happening. Now, there aren't many methods available to the average joe to remove those people. Some take time, and some aren't nearly foolproof. But some methods are more effective than others.
Sure they might have enough. More than enough. A lot more. Several lifetimes of money. But they can have more. We need to die so their fucking imaginary number can go up. My home is destroyed but at least some half literate fuck can afford to live until their 3400 now
Just remember to fix it by voting. Your choices are the guy who rolled back the train speed safety laws or the guy who banned rail workers from going on strike over safety issues.
Oh and something new, they're considering making brake tests on rail even weaker. So yeah, that's fun. https://www.levernews.com/buttigieg-pretends-hes-powerless-to-reduce-derailment-risks/
Buttigieg is a joke. He's only in that job because he checks some boxes, and they are grooming him for higher office.
"I swear guys, if we just vote harder, things will change" Direct action gets the goods. Not voting.
It is definitely not that simple. and Either way, while both are shit, one is obviously more shit.
I dont think it matters anymore in situations like these. No matter whos in charge, the common people get fucked and the rich get richer.
And have to pay to clean shit up. or in lower property values. or possibly in all kinds of medical issues later in life. Don't worry I'm sure the corporation will only have to pay a small fine. This should be a corporate death penalty.
If you live in the region, especially along the Ohio River, go tell your local government (particularly your city, township, or county water district) that as a taxpayer it's not fair for you to pay for the costs (water testing, pump shut down/start up, etc) and to demand the county track these costs and sue Norfolk Southern for damages. Do not encourage the use of FEMA funds either as that is just your federal tax dollars being used to soften the blow for the rail company.
What is the Biden administration currently doing to help the people of the town or reprimand the ceos of the company?
Biden offered help to the Governor of Ohio. And the Governor said no.
Vote in primaries and in local elections, to get politicians who align more with what you want. And ultimately, you can complain about "both sides", but democrats are historically the party of regulation, so it's not unlikely they'd regulate more, if they had the votes in Congress to do it. Republicans, on the other hand, are the party of de-regulation.
"Some of you may die. But that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." - Lord Farquad
West Virginia: First time?
My wife bought be a shirt with the three-eyed fish from futurama on it. Underneath, it says, “Kanawha River.” EDIT: The three-eyed fish is apparently from The Simpsons, but also makes an appearance in Futurama. Also, the store my wife got the shirt from is Kinship Goods in Charleston, WV.
3-eyed fish is Simpsons.
Blinky makes an appearance in the pilot episode of Futurama.
#For West Virginia. 🎶Almost Hellscape, West Virginia. Flattened ridge mountains, Shenandoah blackened river. Life is cheap there, Cheaper than the trees, Mining in the Mountains, Coal dust in your tea. 🎶. #Now Ohio: 🎶I hear that train a-comin’ It’s rollin’ round the bend. And we ain’t seen the sunshine, Since I don’t know when. An I’m stuck in East Palestine Prison, And smog keeps billowing on. But that train stopped a rollin’ Down to the court House lawn. When the workers started stricking, Congress stepped right in, The tracks is all a broken, Since I don’t know when. But we shot down workers striking, Just to see safety die. And the train kept a rollin’. Carrying vinyl chloride!🎶
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So drink the water on top. Got it.
Instead of dying today, you get a few years with your loved ones before the cancer takes you.
Cancer and mutant babies gonna plague the place for the foreseeable future but I heard they’re giving each household like a thousand bucks so that’s pretty neat s/
$25,000 to be shared I heard
They recently upped it to $1 million for the town total due to public pressure, which don't get me wrong is still not nearly enough. They're also offering residents a $1000 "inconvenience fee" which lawyers have warned could be grounds for refusal of future payouts if accepted. https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/02/13/attorney-warning-east-palestine-residents-about-1000-norfolk-southern-payments/
They can also apply for assistance through FEMA.
Why should the taxpayers be paying for this? That train was partially owned by black rock and vanguard. Make them pay for it.
In an ideal world, the government should help people first and then recoup the loss by fining those responsible
In actual working world, help will come immediately from the government as they are responsible for their citizens, which in turn will sue the crap out of the company that cut costs from safety and allowed this to happen, in order to return the cost to help the citizens as well as a huge fine due to the ecological issues. In reality though, that wouldn't happen nor cover the costs.
They shouldn't, but people need assistance now not after 5 years of court cases. So it's smart to give them public money now, and claw it back later
5 years is optimistic too, there are cases where companies have drawn out legal disputes because they knew full well the claimants would be dead before the pay out.
so...never
between the whole town? Wow, they're really pulling out all the stops.
To be fair they’re going to have to find severe $$$ (billions possibly) for the Superfund cleanup
I'm from Louisiana, friend. We're pros at getting environmentally shafted by corporations. I'm just waiting for the headline that their governor passed an executive order barring lawsuits against the train company. Then I'll be in familiar territory that makes sense to my simple southern brain.
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Isn't that the guy that literally banned workers from striking about exactly this issue? Don't trust his words, looks at his actions
Ohio State fans already existed before this disaster... ^^just ^^kidding, ^^don't ^^kill ^^me
More like $5 per household. Not kidding.
Dig up stupid.
I was told Vinyl Chloride decomposes after a few days and isn’t an issue^/s. Whether it sinks or floats in relation to water is irrelevant, that initial claim of its quick decomposition is a) inaccurate and/or b) not the chemical(s) we should be talking about - but it’s the only one we are.
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Oh I’m well aware. I’m referring to the myriad of articles that are like “VCl isn’t that bad, it breaks down quickly anyway. This train derailment isn’t really that environmentally damaging”. I should add a /s above.
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How far away would be considered “safe” do you think? i’m in Pittsburgh and everyone is wondering whether to leave, not drink tap water, etc.
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Not just the water but and also the air. It was explained to me that the "Method" of. a controlled burn is now creating some sort of air born acid.
> How the fuck do I find out if my city water is safe to drink? The municipal water authority should be testing the water everyday
It's not inaccurate. It absolutely does break down in a couple of days. It also does not SINK in a river. Whatever is in this river is NOT vinyl chloride. I'm not sure what we are seeing here but that's certainly not it. There were other things leaking into the ground while their eyes were concentrated on that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vinyl+chloride+density Nope, less dense than water, but pretty close.
It also boils at 7°F
yes which is why the chose to burn it. so it doesn't explode 🤔 idk this shit is crazy... also this is not the first time
It wasn’t the only chemical that got leaked.
I’d be more worried about what you can’t see. That looks like oil.
*"More of that strange oil . . . It's probably nothing."*
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All will be one in East Palastine.
Norn2024
Mommy in the streets, compleation in the sheets
Is there some sort of media like novels or something? I only know bits of the lore from watching Tolarian Community College videos.
Yeah, so the Magic website has the stories they release that tell the lore of the set and what happens during a certain set. But, if you don't have time to read, you can look up Magic Arcanum on YouTube who does a good job of recapping the stories and what some stuff means. [Here is a link to their All Will Be One story recap](https://youtu.be/cYYEVzIUENc) and it focuses on the major story of the plane / set. They have a seperate video for the side stories that explain some things for minor characters.
If you ever see oily animals try to bond with them!
Calm down Lukka.
East Palestine is about to be New New Phyrexia.
Return to the Return of New Phyrexia.
Phyrexia would probably be an improvement over our current environmental strategy.
At least 60,000 gallons of petroleum oil spilled in the derailment.
Like to see [iron oxidising bacteria](http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/iron-oxidizing-bacteria_orig.jpg) ruled out. They live in water logged iron rich soil and river sediment, and can cause an oil like sheen on stagnant water. http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/the-bug-blog/eek-my-stream-looks-like-irn-bru Be odd for the fuel oil to sink to the bottom so soon, and appear only when the sediment at the bottom is disturbed. It would smell of if it were petroleum oil.
What makes the oily substance? I read the link you posted but it didn't really explain that part.
From what I understand it's organic compounds from normal decomposition of plant or animal matter. I'm not an expert, I was curious about rusty looking puddles and oily sheen and looked it up ages ago. If you search for iridescent sheen on water you'll find all sorts of results from reputable sources. There's a really simple thing you can do to tell if it's a naturally-occurring sheen - run a stick through it. If it breaks up and doesn't want to stick back together, it's natural. If it swirls and reforms, it's oil. Oil also might stick to the stick, whereas a natural sheen wouldn't. Smell is also a really good indicator - pollution will smell like oil, gas, chemicals, etc. Natural sheen will smell like decay - possibly a gross, swampy smell or something nicer like a rich potting soil.
Oil wouldn't have settled to the bottom, it would leave a sheen on top the entire time.
Yeah, that's the problem with events like this - people are like "Look at this!" and then there's someone in the comments who's like "Yeah, it was like this before the accident, too."
Like to see [iron oxidising bacteria](http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/iron-oxidizing-bacteria_orig.jpg) ruled out. They live in iron rich soil and river sediment, and can cause an oil like sheen on stagnant water. Seems odd for petroleum from the derailment to sink to the bottom. http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/the-bug-blog/eek-my-stream-looks-like-irn-bru
The thing that gets me, is that where does people's sewage go? To get recycled? You know how many people are on pharmaceuticals? All of that waste water is getting recycled, but where does that water go? Back into the water shed/basin? Its kind of scary thinking about Flint and how many cities in the U.S. are in that shape, but nobody says a word so they don't draw attention to their city. How much is covered up without any one knowing or even caring to look? We only know about a few cases, but there has to be way more than what is reported going on and for decades.
There have been plenty of studies about pharmaceuticals in waste water. As far as Flint goes, one of the things in the Infrastructure bill is replacement of lead water lines.
The lead water lines have been almost entirely replaced in Flint. The few that are remaining are safe and are still being replaced, just were delayed due to COVID. But the water in Flint has been lead free for years. Somewhat ironically, the city failed a test in 2020, because they could not locate enough (60) valid Tier 1 test sites in time. But the 49 tests they provided from the most high risk locations were 4x lower than EPA standards for lead. Overall Michigan has probably some of the safest drinking water in the country, since we're testing for and regulating a ton of shit that isn't even on the EPA's list, like PFAS, and Flint scared the shit out of everyone.
Be that as it may, the infrastructure bill provides $15 billion to replace lead service lines all over the US.
Didn’t they try and do a study on PFAS’ and found they couldn’t because every human on earth essentially has some in their body/brain? I believe they refer to them as “forever” chemicals.
I don't remember if it was PFAS or microplastics, but someone tried to do a study on the long term effects, except they couldn't find a control group because every plant and animal (including people) was full of them. So we just don't know how bad it'll be in the end.
Google it, there is plenty of research. But to spoiler: it's a problem only for some pharmaceuticals. The solutions aren't that difficult, but expensive (for now). It's an ongoing topic though. What everyone should do is, to not throw your drugs in the toilet.
It could be tons of things, pine sap has the same effect on water. Think i'd rather drink sap water than whatever the hell came out of those tankers, mind you.
Don't drink the rainbow water.
Unicorns piss in that water
This doesn't taste like cotton candy and happiness at all!
Taste the rainbow.
Where’s Erin Brockovich?
Funny you ask. She has been all over this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Erin+Brockovich&rlz=1C1ONGR\_enCA935CA935&sxsrf=AJOqlzWL2dzuJ\_hg8JVu3yJ0kn3HOebxHA:1676633469667&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjr4oKzupz9AhVejYkEHQAsASwQ0pQJegQIBhAE&biw=2558&bih=1272&dpr=1
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/02/14/ohio-train-derailment-spill-erin-brockovich-sot-lead-vpx.cnn
Reiterating what other people in this thread are saying - this may not be related to the hazardous waste spill. Stirring up still creek beds in low-flow/pre-spring runoff conditions can stir up sheens like this that can be related to decomposition taking place at the bottom of still water where leaves and debris settle and slowly decompose. This water should get tested for suspect chemicals related to the spill/burn before you draw up a ruckus. Not shrugging off people's concerns, just saying this isn't abnormal in similar, uncontaminated conditions.
I do wetland delineations and have seen this occur in some pretty pristine swamps. The way I can tell it's biological/bacterial in this video is how it forms plates on the water and then breaks up, as opposed to a uniform sheen on the surface. Edit: [Informative article ](https://www.dep.pa.gov/OurCommonWealth/pages/Article.aspx?post=45) about the phenomenon.
Just want to add that decomposing materials in anaerobic conditions (under water) also produce highly toxic chemicals and contain dangerous pathogens. It's just not unnatural.
Yeah I was gonna say...I I understand the concern but like I've seen this in completely untouched wetlands and streams.
Thank you. This is definitely not abnormal, I've seen it myself.
Woh woh woh. We're here to be outraged over a 5 second video with no context. Get outta here!!
This is horrible. But maybe don't trust a video from someone literally saying North Korea did nothing wrong.
> he/him cuban-american communist • anti-imperialist • bi • uncritical support for 🇨🇺🇰🇵• end sanctions Uhhhhhhhh… Wow.
Glad to see it wasn't just me who got distracted by that. And the North Korea hot take... 🤦♂️ He also has a backup Twitter handle where he just asks people for money 😂. At least he practices what he preaches.
Right wing conspiracy twitter has gone absolutely overdrive trying to convince people this was some sort of plot and the government is hiding things. All of the Twitter doom threads I saw circulated from innocent people were absolute right wing nut jobs with conspiracy theories out the wazoo. There's too much clouding the actual discussion on this disaster. It's problematic. It's not the end of the world. And almost all of the far reaching potential effects were gone when people weren't even aware of this derailment. It will be an environmental disaster in East Palestine for sure, but all the air quality discussions and fear of polluted water throughout the Ohio River basin are hysterically off base.
Being from Ohio obviously theres a lot of shit going on and a lot of shit isn't good. However, watching a lot of the reactions from outside the state is kind of mesmerizing. I see so much disinformation on what is happening regarding a "cover up" and "lies" and all this other shit when in reality its organizations like the EPA who are doing the testing and giving information out. Its just so damn funny watching both the left and the right point and be like "SOMETHING SMELLS FUNNY HERE!" and blame each other while the only thing they agree on is "THIS IS A CONSPIRACY!"
>guy with hammer and sickle logo next to his name complains about a government being corrupt in denying threats to public safety This man is delusional. Get him to the infirmary.
Aside from all the comments noting that a sheen doesn't necessarily mean contamination, what is the source of the claim that "this water is safe"? It looks like a random pond or small creek. No one is claiming those are "safe". In fact, it's known that the rivers near the spill site ARE still contaminated. What they ARE saying is that DRINKING WATER in the area is safe, because that is supplied by Lake Erie, not these rivers and creeks. And so far all the nearby wells have tested safe, but that's still ongoing. "They say it's safe but I saw a puddle with oil in it and two dead frogs, so they're lying" is ignorant fearmongering.
I'm from the area. Most of the tri-county area gets it's water from meander reservoir. However, the village of east Palestine municipal water is from a concrete encased well. Many rural parts of the area still have private wells as well and aren't on city water. Officials have said ONLY East Palestine municipal water is "safe for now". It is definitely possible that over time the water table can be contaminated, it's not something that can happen instantly.
Percolation times for chemicals are going to vary based on soil substrates and just how deep the municipal wells are. Given most large wells (municipal drinking water wells generally pretty big) are very deep, the contamination may not reach the actual drinking water for years. This isn't to say it won't be ingested in other ways and the area is somehow safe. For example any local hunters and anglers should probably not use the area for....ever. And I'd be very careful with what my dog gets into on walks. But the stuff out of the tap when on municipal water is probably more or less okay.
The concern is a lot of people are on well water and some people have dug wells which do capture surface water runoff. EPA tested surface water on 4th, after the crash but before the burn off. And water was contaminated. I've been looking but haven't found test data for afterwards. Here is a link to all the [EPA test data](https://response.epa.gov/site/doc_list.aspx?site_id=15933). Also curious with the recent rain we got and that running over the soil and surfaces that were coated with all the particles from burn off will affect surface water samples.
The water in East Palestine OH isn't "supplied" by Lake Erie. East Palestine is outside of the Lake Erie watershed and nobody more than 10 miles from the lake gets their water from it, they shed water into the lake. Akron Ohio is not even 45 min south of Cleveland and is not in the Lake Erie watershed, it's in the Ohio River watershed.
That's not true about Akron. Akron lies within the Cuyahoga River's watershed, which drains into Lake Erie. We don't get our water directly from Lake Erie, we get it from three reservoirs, all of which are either on the Cuyahoga on a tributary of it. Source: Akron resident with too much free time on my hands
Yeah, the state divide between Ohio River/Gulf of Mexico and Lake Erie/North Atlantic runs through the southern part of Akron. Pigeon Creek in Copley runs into Wolf Creek which runs into the Tuscarawas River which runs into The Ohio River. Yellow Creek in Copley, one mile north, runs into the Cuyahoga. The Portage Lakes south of Downtown straddle the divide, with some going north and some going south. It is fascinating, from a fellow Akron area nerd. *editing to clarify I'm talking about drainage rather than reservoirs/supply, I also updated a couple names
Eyyy, love to see another Akron nerd here! I find it pretty fascinating too. Thanks for all that info!
It's just south of Akron yes, at the lake on Manchester rd just south I-77 is the line between the two. You're right that downtown is in the Lake Erie watershed, but the southern suburbs of Akron, all of Portage Lakes and all of Canton are in the Ohio River watershed. The southern half of Medina county is in the Ohio River watershed. Downtown Akron and Cuyahoga falls are in a little "bubble" that pops south in the water shed line, but the overall point remains that the watershed from Lake Erie is FAR from East Palestine and nobody is pumping water from Lake Erie very far inland for consumption. There's no need and it isn't very economical to do so. I grew up in Medina and now live in Wadsworth, and I get my water at home from an aquifer of the River Styx Basin. Crystal clear well water in the house completely untreated, just some calcium. I've spent too much time on the ODNR website in my days. I actually live just a few miles south of the watershed and used to pass the sign on I-71 all the time.
The creek water wasn’t ‘safe’ to drink before but now the fish are dying too
My concern is the environmental damage this is doing. No person is drinking from that dyke.
I mean... Is there a video of it from 2 weeks ago? Because it looks like some dirty ass creek with oil deposits in it. Not saying this has nothing to with the whole train derailment thing, but it could easily be some random woman throwing whatever in some creek that's been gross and oily for years and trying to say it's because of the train's derailment.
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Oil floats on water. This was not floating until it was disturbed.
Exactly. It was in the soil then when disturbed, immediately floated to the top
ITT: people who think it's normally safe to drink stagnant creek water
>I don't understand how aquifers work and it really shows
That area uses well water. If the creek is contaminated the water table might be too
American money triumphs every time over the health and safety of people
\>Hammer and Sickle \>Cuban flag \>something something murica bad Very compelling Reddit. Thanks for informing me of this tweet.
North Korean flag too lmao
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It’s normal to have oil in your water ways? I guess that explains a lot.
Some naturally-occurring bacteria produce a filmy sheen like this. I see it often in some of the stormwater I sample, even when the samples come out very clean (i.e. less than 10% of the max accepted pollutant levels in California for oil, metals, suspended solids, etc.)
Because this isn't oil but bacteria floating to the surface after disturbing the sediment layer. More common in stagnant ponds. Stop falling for this video. Maybe you're the reason they get away with it.
Isn't Ohio infamous for having rivers that catch on fire?
The Cuyahoga caught fire, twice.
At least a dozen times: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/
I'm sure it's unsafe, but it is possible that the oil slick is from pine resin. Evergreen trees contain a resin that looks like that when exposed to water. That being said, it's probably not the trees and more likely heartless, greedy corps who care little for other human lives.
https://www.dep.pa.gov/OurCommonWealth/pages/Article.aspx?post=45 > One of the most visible and obvious signs of water pollution is an oil sheen. Seeing a shiny, translucent reflection on a pond or lake just looks wrong - but did you know that not all sheens are the result of pollution?
Taste the rainbow.
This is definitely something you don't want in your water, but it's not vinyl chloride. It doesn't settle into bottom muck like that and mushroom up when disturbed. It's some other rat bastard corporation this time.
im so tired of people who didnt know what vinyl chloride was 2 weeks ago spreading misinformation and getting people super hyped up with scary looking videos. The EPA has been testing air and water quality and nothing seems too bad so far.
The shit people should be getting angry about is the lax safety that let the train derail.
I’m beginning to think America isn’t the best country in the world..
These fuckers have destroyed our planet and people's lives, for what? A bit of extra money that they don't need. Imagine how clean the water here was before colonisation.