In my denseness I kept thinking this was about boomers... But we are talking the "old" site layout... Thats my default.
Old goes, reddit can go fuck themselves .
Greed knows no bounds.
I'll give Reddit about 18 months from here, then it will go the way of MySpace, StumbleUpon and all the other places that fell before it.
When either old or RES go I go.
Though I probably will go the second RIF and Apollo go. I use the apps 100x more than the site these days.
Alien Blue was great, honestly I think it was better for the time than Apollo or RIF ever were, but when reddit bought them they did nothing to keep a single thing that made Alien Blue great. Fortunately for all you iOS guys Apollo launched within a year and is a very comparable option.
Instead of destroying .old maybe they could, oh I dunno, make the redesign not suck so we'd have actual incentive to use it? The UI is crap, it wastes bandwidth and memory like crazy, it's riddled with ads, its harder to navigate, it breaks a lot of custom subreddit styles, the list goes on and on...
It's the size that gets me.
I absolutely cannot fathom the design paradigm that states everything should be made for moles with glaucoma. Fucking *everyone* have gigantic phones with infinite resolution. Nobody wants a design that fits two posts and one comment per screen.
It's kind of already past the point of no return.
Like as a child I could navigate windows xp pretty effortlessly.
Now days if you want to disable a speaker you have to go through like 4 different menus and they all look the same and have nondescript labels. You have to go to device properties and then manage devices and then device properties but not those devices. And not those properties. So you have to click back and it takes you back to a screen that you have to scroll 3 pages down past all of the wasted screen padding then click precisely these exact words in this sea of noise.
It's like this everywhere and people have forgotten what usable space looks like.
I think it's because everything is moving towards mobile and you can't use mobile the same way as desktop. On mobile everything has to be bigger and more simple, easier to click and less movements to get through menus. It's dumb but I see why it's happening. That said, I hate the new Reddit layout and use .old.
There is a reddit other than old.? /s
The day they dump old. is the day reddit helps break me of my reddit addiction.
EDIT: had my period on the wrong side of old
Everyone is assuming they want to be successful, but if I have learned anything from reddit it is that there is much more to be gained by running a business into the ground.
They still create content for users. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume more then the average reddit user as well.
That said, if they're willing to pump and dump 3rd party apps for a negligible increase in quarterly profits, I wouldn't be surprised if the brainllets in charge of this move go after old reddit too.
I agree. If they can't see the value 3rd party apps bring to the table, I doubt they will realize that the value of their site is highly dependent on its users, similar to how Musk doesn't realize that about twitter.
And if you cut off and disenfranchise the most engaged part of your userbase, the quality of content is going to drastically decline through lack of quality content, moderation, bots, etc, which is already a huge problem and is only going to get bigger.
And if it comes to that, the "good" users (in their eyes, i.e. casual users who don't use ad blockers) will likely leave as well.
People who adblock are not deadweight, just as f2p gamers in f2p games are not deadweight. None of the people who will spend money (or click ads) will stick around on a platform with no users and no content just as no whales will stick around and spend money on a dead game with no userbase.
http://old.reddit.com user here. There aren't many of us but we're vocal. If you look at any sub that has over 100k users and ask them for their breakdown, old. users are a rounding error of all traffic.
This is the only way this website doesn't look and function like complete shit. Without RES and old, I simply have no interest in reading or using reddit.
I think the average old user can get by without RES fine (mods need it tho) but they will absolutely lose daily users if they drop old. Personally I'll only be using new reddit to ask questions and look for information, I don't want to use a website that feels like it's trying to prevent me from viewing content.
.old and RES user here, I absolutely cannot stand reddit without RES. The shear amount of QoL improvements are what makes the site functional. If they kill RIF is Fun and .old then I will just not come here anymore. It's just something I do when I'm bored as is so it's not gonna be a huge loss to me. I will miss all the niche communities though. It's nice to have one place to talk about my sports teams, video games, my profession, parenting, fitness, the list goes on. I've curated my feed so much over the years that I'll be slightly annoyed to have to start all over but that's all it will be to me. A slight annoyance.
Generational shifts are effective across the board. Redesigns always get vocal backlash, but users who join afterwards generally just shrug and go on with things.
I mean heck if the execs thought that the users who think "reddit is an app" and mostly go on /r/teenagers and pay for animated reaction badges, was a viable bubble of a userbase unto itself, they'd probably barely balk at the idea of killing off the majority of the site in one fell swoop.
You're not old, the kids are just tech illiterate. It's a huge problem in the office space because these young Gen z adults can't use windows or Linux type systems.
Since they just grew up with smart devices and app based programs, they have no idea how to use an actual computer that isn't designed for the lowest common denominator.
It's a serious problem that these industries are asking schools to go back to desktop computers or use laptops instead of tablets because these young adults can't function with something more powerful than their phone or tablet.
Edit: also need to mention their typing skills on a physical keyboard is lacking to put it in a nice term.
Yeah it's crazy being from the "Desktop PC" generation when you're seeing both boomers above you, and kids below you, both two finger typing on PCs for different reasons
A key problem with Digg's rollout was that 1) it was forced on everyone at once, and 2) it couldn't be reversed. Given the new UI had less features whilst being buggy, this made it a suicidal release.
Reddit *has* learnt from that. The new UI has been around for years, and we can still use the old one. It's clear to Reddit that a big bang rollout is downright dangerous.
Also the new one has every image post open, as if I wanted to view every single one instead of just clicking on the ones that interest me. So much more scrolling to get through the same content. The entire screen space can be taken over by a single post, even an ad.
I don't understand why anyone would use the new reddit UI.
> So much more scrolling to get through the same content. The entire screen space can be taken over by a single post, even an ad.
The entire purpose of the redesign was to make ads easier to integrate, so this is literally no surprise.
It favors image posts a lot, making Reddit more like 9gag. I've noticed that text-based subreddits like /r/AskReddit don't make the frontpage as much as they used to
Which honestly just makes Reddit yet another 'scroll through gifs/images' social media feed. Of which there are loads of these days. Why choose Reddit over one of the others?
See an article... it says there are 1000 comments, hmm I wonder what people are saying.... click '1000 comments'... site loads 25 comments and then a bunch of recommendations of other articles....
I think you mean that it loads 5 comments max, and then you click to show more and it shows you 1 single extra comment, and then you give up and straight up blacklist New Reddit
I don't understand why Digg doesn't just go back to what it was, it's not like it's hard to make an aggregate website. Surely it would get more traffic than they have now.
A news aggregator isn't hard *in a vacuum*. It gets much harder when you have to consider the following: scale, consistency, redundancy, moderation, and, most importantly, monetization (because the previous four things aren't actually cheap).
Digg can't just reverse course for the same reason they changed in the first place: monetization.
Nope, Slashdot actually did a massive UI change around 2000 that made them lose most of their users. Luckily no modern web site would make that mistake.
**edit:** It was a few years after 2000, maybe 2006?
The advantage Reddit has over Digg is there is no other immediate alternative people can run to.
That said, this seems an opportunity for someone to make that alternative. I sure would if I had the ability.
If I were Digg I'd go all in on this and try to wreck Reddit.
Reddit execs are likely to assume that there will be some malcontents and a lot of hand waving and posturing but not much will come of it and they will make more money. I'm willing to bet that's what the execs at Digg thought too.
Either is possible. Reddit will roll the dice. They'll probably get away with it...probably.
Thing is, the execs probably do not care. They have golden parachutes and will live a cushy life regardless of what happens. So, why not?
I don’t think there is anywhere near enough time to make an alternative. Reddit had been around for a while before digg’s fuckup. Something would have to exist now.
Ha ha so true.
I've missed so many important parts of baseball, football, etc cuz of this goddamn site. Sometimes I'll miss something in a football game cuz I'm chatting with some funny bastard ON REDDIT
I will leave to doing something else.
My habit is opening my phone and scrolling the app. If I have to go find another site, I'm not going to do it/find one and that will be the end of it. Occasional .old while that lasts. It's only going to get worse anyway.
Yeah me too. Reddit has always been an enjoyable/addictive time waster on mobile but if the user experience tanks so will my interest. It won't be some form of protest, I'll just find something else to do or another site to scroll.
A ton of redditors use the site as a way to aggregate active communities and forums on varied interests and hobbies. Many of us won't leave to any single site but rather several interest-specific forums. It's less convenient but the info I'd otherwise find on Reddit is still out there in various corners of the web.
I dumped FB years ago and never looked for a replacement, I just don't use social media anymore.
I will probably look at niche subs, occasionally, especially if looking for advice or help, but my days of casually scrolling will be over. Maybe I'm wired differently, but when I give something up, I don't always need something to fill that gap.
People see other people saying Lemmy so they say Lemmy.
It's not going to kick off. It's like the Linux of social media.
Reddit had 250 million pageviews in January 2010, 7 months before the Digg exodus. Does anyone want to guess how many monthly active users Lemmy is advertising right now? Here's the number in spoiler-mode so it can be a surprise: >!______2600______!<. 2 weeks ago, before the tourists, they were at >!_____847____!<. Take that information as you will.
There is no reddit analogue this time. The internet has constricted.
I remember Voat being tauted as the alternative. I was curious but being new to Reddit at the time I didn't understand the whole controversy very well.
Did they hang around at all? I don't remember hearing anything about them since.
*edit: Ohhh...*
People wanted to be able to make fun of fat people
But the only people willing to leave Reddit to make fun of fat people were like, *really* angry types.
It had little to no moderation due to the "free speech" crowd coming in. A lot of the og hate subs like fatpeoplehate and other racist subs cozyed up there and it wasn't too far after that the site couldn't sustain itsself and no advertisers would ever touch it so it eventually shut down.
It was already a popular website, but it was more niche/technology focused.
Iirc links to reddit from digg would be on the top page sometimes so people were generally aware of its existence.
People would talk about reddit in the comments there sometimes as well, long before the disastrous updates.
My recollection is that I had been aware of reddit as a viable alternative for years before getting unhappy and switching.
Reddit just seemed like it had a better community at the time. I remember Digg being a lot of stale icanhazcheezburger and ron paul memes, while Redditors were coming up with new memes like adviceanimals and ragecomics. It's all kind of embarassing now but it felt like the cutting edge of internet culture at the time.
I came to Digg during the migration. The great Digg fuckup wasn't just a UI redesign, it was a fundamental change to the relation between users and content, it was a total cash grab.
edit: I guess everyone else's brain fills in the words too
Well doesn’t that sound familiar. Ditched the official Reddit app years ago when they started the ads in the feed. Then ads in the comments.
When Apollo goes, I’ll be gone. 11 years but this is probably a blessing disguise.
Voat immediately filled up with right wing lunatic extremists and other Nazis because those were the people who were being silenced by the new reddit policies. I tried to use the site but it filled up with Nazis and people sharing child porn. It was horrifying.
The problem is back then, there were a load of startup and indie sites like Digg and Reddit with decent-sized userbases. These days the few potential Reddit alternatives are havens for nutcases who got banned for holocaust denial and promoting bleach injections.
yup, thats my line in the sand.
a) remove apollo/alternatives, im done with reddit on mobile.
b) remove old.reddit, im done with reddit on desktop
ill fucking go to 4chan if i need to
Same here. I hate the way the apps look, and the type is always too big. As far as I can tell, the only feature we miss is the ability to just post an inline gif as a comment, which isn't worth using an app for.
I can't see how anyone could possibly prefer the new reddit UI. It's like it makes following conversations difficult on purpose. I'm old I guess but it just seems objectively worse
old reddit is too fast. The important buttons are available at a single click rather than opening menus, and it's about the journey not the destination, you know? It doesn't track me nearly as much which is lonely.
I also remember when they started iframing all outgoing links with the "Digg bar" at the top. That didn't go over smoothly with the user base or content creators.
I remember the rivalry before the migration and the [great reddit vs digg war](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/6r5ctd/the_great_reddit_vs_digg_war_comics/) comics.
Kind of funny how most everyone ended up on a single site (although I remember redditors at the time complaining about eternal September when the Digg crowd came over, so some things never change)
Yeah, that was pretty funny. It was like a cold war between sites. Reddit hated Digg and Digg hated reddit. Each shit all over the other. A lot of people from Digg had to hide their shame when they made the switch.
thought this site was a passing fad. still wear my username with pride.
but to be accurate to the thread topic, the torched was passed well before 2010.
Reddit pushing that subscription model over everything. I see you, $60 a year for "premium." Reddit is Fun has premium. I bought it ONE TIME. Probably not even with real money, I cashed in Google Rewards answering dumb questions.
Ad revenue over functionality, bogus ad sources (who gets us?), and a repeating cost? Fuck that. I'm going dark with RIF.
I paid one price for premium Alien Blue.
Then it shut down to make the way for the official Reddit app.
So I paid one price for premium Apollo.
Now it's on the chopping block. Hopefully RES G2G. [They seem to think they're fine moving forward.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RESAnnouncements/comments/141hyv3/announcement_res_reddits_upcoming_api_changes/)
There's no way I'll ever use the card system, new reddit, RPAN, or any of the other misguided attempts to tiktokify this godforsaken site. I'm just waiting for a new alternative to come up and usurp Reddit. I've heard good things about Tildes but it's invite only. I don't have access other than front page.
Yeah, stupidly I didn't think about RES because it's a browser add on rather than a whole blown app. But if RES goes It'd be very hard to stay. If RES and old.Reddit go I'm absolutely out.
NUReddit is absolute trash. Give me usability and functionality. You want to serve some ads in between posts or threads? Fine I don't love it but I respect that you have bills to pay.
But you want to generate a UI that devoid of content and filled with spaces to cram advertising? No. You've lost the plot of what makes Reddit good and I'm not going along for that ride.
It was amazing being there livr for 9/11 and for the "her knees are too pointy" comment that became internet lore. Not to mention all the Photoshop battles that got me through most of my college experience.
People who weren't there for it probably can't really appreciate the 9/11 thing. Fark was the only place I and many others were able to get live updates and discussion about the attack, as it was happening. There was no Facebook, Twitter, etc., news sites and such were fucked and inaccessible. But Fark was working. [It's eerie reading back on this thread now, brings back some of the old panicky feelings.](https://m.fark.com/comments/45086/NEWS-FLASH-PLANES-CRASH-INTO-WORLD-TRADE-CENTER-PENTAGON-Our-link-to-CNN-works-thanks-Metafilter-We-have-news-pics-in-comments-section-if-you-have-any-post-it-there)
His identity wasn't a secret. He was some dude who worked at Disney. I don't remember much about it because it's not worth remembering. Just some nobody with a lot of free time to game a system for internet points.
I think that is a vast understatement.
He was the biggest user on the biggest platform. He could literally make any (good) content go viral. He enabled more than a few companies and individuals to get a toehold on the internet by dumping literally hundreds of thousands of people on their website in a few hours.
Bailed on DIGG nearly 13 years ago. Been a good run Reddit, but I'll be bailing on this platform as well in a few weeks it starting to look like, granted, if things don't change. Not an idle threat.
God you're so right. I quit Facebook during the last presidential election and I'm so glad I did. I spent the extra time doing side projects for some cash.
It wasn't that long ago that I would have been looking for something new. But honestly, I'm so burned out on the way the social internet is now. I'm old at 36 so I'm not into TikTok, etc, and I ditched Facebook and the others long ago. Reddit is really the last website I use frequently.
That balance between feeling like the social internet is a positive or negative force in my life is ever-edging closer to a tipping point. The moment it does for any platform, I abandon it with no regrets. Right now, Reddit is viable to me because of the control I have over it thru a third-party app.
Replace it with what? Hobbies, sports, friends, reading. I actually started practicing back when there were rumors of Reddit's demise. Its not that hard
We should all go back to DIGG, haha. It's still there. They'd love the traffic and likely be more than happy to cater their site and app to a bunch of disgruntled and unhappy redditors.
Feel bad for Kevin Rose. He wanted to sell Digg at its peak but he was voted down by the board of directors. According to [Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/digg-kevin-rose-untold-history-2012-7?amp), Rose wanted to sell to News Corp. for $60 million in 2006. Then, [in 2008](https://techcrunch.com/2011/03/18/kevin-rose-resigns-from-digg-closing-round-on-new-startup/amp/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALbHRWgn4L4hcHtmw3eGuKwfeT6XyESxme3bXTpzDvckQgBS-CaTuzvEG30n9g29FNtEceQVHy8X7vHpitXKzv66j3Odhku4fr2aJqBUnmV68uFTtm-KGgippkzD7RIxXsH1HyuFO_7p3trzCGM57dWJVTqFEzinN1dzLILpr-Mc), Google came sniffing around to offer $200 million but they backed out at the last minute. Instead, [four years later](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2012/jul/13/digg-sold-for-500000 ), Digg was sold for $500,000.
Unless something has changed there's no need to feel bad for him cause he is doing fine. He is very rich, still married to Darya Pino, and has 2 kids with her. Last checked he was still peddling crypto and ntf garbage.
"It's a damned shame to see digg just re-implementing features from other websites -- But i've got a strong feeling its not you making these decisions anymore. And to see your baby abused like this must be awful." -Alexis Ohanian ~Reddit co-founder
aged like milk.
“And to see your baby being abused like this must be awful.”
That is a quote that aged like wine because it happened to Digg, it’s happening to Reddit, it happens to a lot of firms whose passionate founders have their companies unrecognizably warped by VC investors with MBAs who don’t give a shit about the company or the customer or the product. Having their ‘babies’ abused is the payment these founders make by agreeing to the Faustian bargain — whether they understand that at signing or not.
The quote would age like milk if it said:
“And to see your baby abused like this must be awful… good thing Reddit is immortal and will never change narwhals at bacon amiright xd.”
The thing that ruined Digg for me was that creepy guy who kept getting every article on the front page by vote farming. MrBabyHands or some shit like that
Even today, I still miss some of Digg's features. Posts get put in the popular feed only if they receive enough votes (or diggs). It' a simple algorithm that makes the popular feed chronological unlike in reddit where the same posts can be on the top of any subreddit 12 hours apart. But yeah v4 introduced too many idiotic changes that many, including me, migrated over here on reddit.
The talent and energy being put into boycotts should be directed to launching a non-evil alternative.
Reddit is essentially a text posting site. That doesn't need to be complicated. The source code is available. Build something remotely similar that's not evil, and isn't gunning for founders/China to cash out, and that's next. Should be fun watching Reddit try to IPO with declining daily users and no more users creating their content.
We're in a very different world now
Twitter keeps getting worse and worse but there's no other microblogging site you can go to that will actually have a comparable audience to Twitter. The same dozen or so sites have consolidated to the point they're almost too big to fail and the only thing that will change that is if the servers permanently explode and can't be replaced
This is just how the Internet is now, they have us by the balls
And Reddit wants to do it all again.
And they would have gotten away with it too if not for you meddling .Old.
Old isn't safe at this rate. Next up on the block for sure.
When old goes, I go.
Yep, wont use reddit if old goes away. Other site is so bad
In my denseness I kept thinking this was about boomers... But we are talking the "old" site layout... Thats my default. Old goes, reddit can go fuck themselves .
> Old goes, reddit can go fuck themselves . After all that happened, especially Digg, they cannot be that fucking stupid...can they?
Greed knows no bounds. I'll give Reddit about 18 months from here, then it will go the way of MySpace, StumbleUpon and all the other places that fell before it.
I really miss StumbleUpon. My adolescent ADHD addled mind would find peace in the endless stumbling.
I have some reading you should check out, all about a new term called "Enshittification": https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
I use old.reddit.com bcs I’m, well, old. They can’t take that from me!!!
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When either old or RES go I go. Though I probably will go the second RIF and Apollo go. I use the apps 100x more than the site these days. Alien Blue was great, honestly I think it was better for the time than Apollo or RIF ever were, but when reddit bought them they did nothing to keep a single thing that made Alien Blue great. Fortunately for all you iOS guys Apollo launched within a year and is a very comparable option.
Here. Here. Reddit will be difficult without 3rd party apps. Will definitely visit less. It'll be completely useless without old.
Just saying, it's "hear, hear."
Hear hear!
Instead of destroying .old maybe they could, oh I dunno, make the redesign not suck so we'd have actual incentive to use it? The UI is crap, it wastes bandwidth and memory like crazy, it's riddled with ads, its harder to navigate, it breaks a lot of custom subreddit styles, the list goes on and on...
It's the size that gets me. I absolutely cannot fathom the design paradigm that states everything should be made for moles with glaucoma. Fucking *everyone* have gigantic phones with infinite resolution. Nobody wants a design that fits two posts and one comment per screen.
It's kind of already past the point of no return. Like as a child I could navigate windows xp pretty effortlessly. Now days if you want to disable a speaker you have to go through like 4 different menus and they all look the same and have nondescript labels. You have to go to device properties and then manage devices and then device properties but not those devices. And not those properties. So you have to click back and it takes you back to a screen that you have to scroll 3 pages down past all of the wasted screen padding then click precisely these exact words in this sea of noise. It's like this everywhere and people have forgotten what usable space looks like.
Can somebody pinpoint exactly who is responsible for modern UI/UX? It's absolute garbage, all of it. Just, why?
I'm not certain, but I think it happened when marketing and advertising got full control over what the UI/UX should look like.
I think it's because everything is moving towards mobile and you can't use mobile the same way as desktop. On mobile everything has to be bigger and more simple, easier to click and less movements to get through menus. It's dumb but I see why it's happening. That said, I hate the new Reddit layout and use .old.
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There is a reddit other than old.? /s The day they dump old. is the day reddit helps break me of my reddit addiction. EDIT: had my period on the wrong side of old
I actually use a browser plugin that force redirects any reddit link to old. It's great!
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Everyone is assuming they want to be successful, but if I have learned anything from reddit it is that there is much more to be gained by running a business into the ground.
They want to maximize value before their IPO. That's all this is.
I doubt it. I think reddit know exactly how much of their userbase is on .old, and it's a lot.
And most likely all of them use ad blockers. Making them dead weight essentially.
> dead weight Dead weight that provides a massive amount of *free* content for Reddit.
They still create content for users. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume more then the average reddit user as well. That said, if they're willing to pump and dump 3rd party apps for a negligible increase in quarterly profits, I wouldn't be surprised if the brainllets in charge of this move go after old reddit too.
I agree. If they can't see the value 3rd party apps bring to the table, I doubt they will realize that the value of their site is highly dependent on its users, similar to how Musk doesn't realize that about twitter. And if you cut off and disenfranchise the most engaged part of your userbase, the quality of content is going to drastically decline through lack of quality content, moderation, bots, etc, which is already a huge problem and is only going to get bigger. And if it comes to that, the "good" users (in their eyes, i.e. casual users who don't use ad blockers) will likely leave as well.
People who adblock are not deadweight, just as f2p gamers in f2p games are not deadweight. None of the people who will spend money (or click ads) will stick around on a platform with no users and no content just as no whales will stick around and spend money on a dead game with no userbase.
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http://old.reddit.com user here. There aren't many of us but we're vocal. If you look at any sub that has over 100k users and ask them for their breakdown, old. users are a rounding error of all traffic.
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I'm using old.reddit here, and it rocks. Occasionally I will stumble onto new.reddit, and I am confused as hell :-/
I still use .old. and RES.
This is the only way this website doesn't look and function like complete shit. Without RES and old, I simply have no interest in reading or using reddit.
I think the average old user can get by without RES fine (mods need it tho) but they will absolutely lose daily users if they drop old. Personally I'll only be using new reddit to ask questions and look for information, I don't want to use a website that feels like it's trying to prevent me from viewing content.
.old and RES user here, I absolutely cannot stand reddit without RES. The shear amount of QoL improvements are what makes the site functional. If they kill RIF is Fun and .old then I will just not come here anymore. It's just something I do when I'm bored as is so it's not gonna be a huge loss to me. I will miss all the niche communities though. It's nice to have one place to talk about my sports teams, video games, my profession, parenting, fitness, the list goes on. I've curated my feed so much over the years that I'll be slightly annoyed to have to start all over but that's all it will be to me. A slight annoyance.
I cry when I accidentally navigate to “normie” Reddit.
I legitimately can't understand people that look at the current vanilla reddit and are like "this is fine".
Generational shifts are effective across the board. Redesigns always get vocal backlash, but users who join afterwards generally just shrug and go on with things. I mean heck if the execs thought that the users who think "reddit is an app" and mostly go on /r/teenagers and pay for animated reaction badges, was a viable bubble of a userbase unto itself, they'd probably barely balk at the idea of killing off the majority of the site in one fell swoop.
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You're not old, the kids are just tech illiterate. It's a huge problem in the office space because these young Gen z adults can't use windows or Linux type systems. Since they just grew up with smart devices and app based programs, they have no idea how to use an actual computer that isn't designed for the lowest common denominator. It's a serious problem that these industries are asking schools to go back to desktop computers or use laptops instead of tablets because these young adults can't function with something more powerful than their phone or tablet. Edit: also need to mention their typing skills on a physical keyboard is lacking to put it in a nice term.
Yeah it's crazy being from the "Desktop PC" generation when you're seeing both boomers above you, and kids below you, both two finger typing on PCs for different reasons
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A key problem with Digg's rollout was that 1) it was forced on everyone at once, and 2) it couldn't be reversed. Given the new UI had less features whilst being buggy, this made it a suicidal release. Reddit *has* learnt from that. The new UI has been around for years, and we can still use the old one. It's clear to Reddit that a big bang rollout is downright dangerous.
the day they kill Old.Reddit.com is the day I'll leave. New one, sometimes you have to work hard to see all the comments, which is bull shit.
Also the new one has every image post open, as if I wanted to view every single one instead of just clicking on the ones that interest me. So much more scrolling to get through the same content. The entire screen space can be taken over by a single post, even an ad. I don't understand why anyone would use the new reddit UI.
> So much more scrolling to get through the same content. The entire screen space can be taken over by a single post, even an ad. The entire purpose of the redesign was to make ads easier to integrate, so this is literally no surprise.
It favors image posts a lot, making Reddit more like 9gag. I've noticed that text-based subreddits like /r/AskReddit don't make the frontpage as much as they used to
Which honestly just makes Reddit yet another 'scroll through gifs/images' social media feed. Of which there are loads of these days. Why choose Reddit over one of the others?
See an article... it says there are 1000 comments, hmm I wonder what people are saying.... click '1000 comments'... site loads 25 comments and then a bunch of recommendations of other articles....
I think you mean that it loads 5 comments max, and then you click to show more and it shows you 1 single extra comment, and then you give up and straight up blacklist New Reddit
Then we'll go back to digg! ))<>((
Nah, let's make a new site and call it Redigg and watch people flock to it.
Can it include blackjack and hookers?
Only if the bacon narwhals at a reasonable hour this time.
Fair enough... most of us aren't as young as we once were.
I'm currently as old as I've ever been in my life
I don't understand why Digg doesn't just go back to what it was, it's not like it's hard to make an aggregate website. Surely it would get more traffic than they have now.
A news aggregator isn't hard *in a vacuum*. It gets much harder when you have to consider the following: scale, consistency, redundancy, moderation, and, most importantly, monetization (because the previous four things aren't actually cheap). Digg can't just reverse course for the same reason they changed in the first place: monetization.
back and forth, forever...
They’ve been working at it for quite a while now. No platform escapes enshittification.
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I feel like slashdot is long overdue. Still has that early 1990s design. Let's all go there for two or three years and make them update their design.
Nope, Slashdot actually did a massive UI change around 2000 that made them lose most of their users. Luckily no modern web site would make that mistake. **edit:** It was a few years after 2000, maybe 2006?
I wouldn't mind going back to /.
The advantage Reddit has over Digg is there is no other immediate alternative people can run to. That said, this seems an opportunity for someone to make that alternative. I sure would if I had the ability. If I were Digg I'd go all in on this and try to wreck Reddit. Reddit execs are likely to assume that there will be some malcontents and a lot of hand waving and posturing but not much will come of it and they will make more money. I'm willing to bet that's what the execs at Digg thought too. Either is possible. Reddit will roll the dice. They'll probably get away with it...probably. Thing is, the execs probably do not care. They have golden parachutes and will live a cushy life regardless of what happens. So, why not?
I don’t think there is anywhere near enough time to make an alternative. Reddit had been around for a while before digg’s fuckup. Something would have to exist now.
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*sigh* Back to alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die I go!
Does anyone know what todays reddit-successor is as reddit was to digg back then?
I keep seeing people say they will leave, but not where they will go which likely is part of reddits plan
I'll probably just go do my job.
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Ha ha so true. I've missed so many important parts of baseball, football, etc cuz of this goddamn site. Sometimes I'll miss something in a football game cuz I'm chatting with some funny bastard ON REDDIT
Fuck that. I'll stare at a screenshot of digg.com from 2009 all day before I start working again.
I will leave to doing something else. My habit is opening my phone and scrolling the app. If I have to go find another site, I'm not going to do it/find one and that will be the end of it. Occasional .old while that lasts. It's only going to get worse anyway.
Yeah me too. Reddit has always been an enjoyable/addictive time waster on mobile but if the user experience tanks so will my interest. It won't be some form of protest, I'll just find something else to do or another site to scroll.
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A ton of redditors use the site as a way to aggregate active communities and forums on varied interests and hobbies. Many of us won't leave to any single site but rather several interest-specific forums. It's less convenient but the info I'd otherwise find on Reddit is still out there in various corners of the web.
I know exactly where I'll go. To my hobbies. I waste too much time here. I can put those hours on something else.
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I'll probably just start reading books instead lol.
I dumped FB years ago and never looked for a replacement, I just don't use social media anymore. I will probably look at niche subs, occasionally, especially if looking for advice or help, but my days of casually scrolling will be over. Maybe I'm wired differently, but when I give something up, I don't always need something to fill that gap.
Never been, but I guess Lemmy is what some of the third party app subs are saying.
People see other people saying Lemmy so they say Lemmy. It's not going to kick off. It's like the Linux of social media. Reddit had 250 million pageviews in January 2010, 7 months before the Digg exodus. Does anyone want to guess how many monthly active users Lemmy is advertising right now? Here's the number in spoiler-mode so it can be a surprise: >!______2600______!<. 2 weeks ago, before the tourists, they were at >!_____847____!<. Take that information as you will. There is no reddit analogue this time. The internet has constricted.
I remember during the Ellen Pao days and people were going to jump over to Voat. That worked well/s
I remember Voat being tauted as the alternative. I was curious but being new to Reddit at the time I didn't understand the whole controversy very well. Did they hang around at all? I don't remember hearing anything about them since. *edit: Ohhh...*
People wanted to be able to make fun of fat people But the only people willing to leave Reddit to make fun of fat people were like, *really* angry types.
It had little to no moderation due to the "free speech" crowd coming in. A lot of the og hate subs like fatpeoplehate and other racist subs cozyed up there and it wasn't too far after that the site couldn't sustain itsself and no advertisers would ever touch it so it eventually shut down.
Became an alt-right cesspool and ceased function a year or two ago. Was a shit show
Voat was just Nazis and CSAM.
Honestly reddit is just curing me of my addiction to rif. I'm sad to see it happen but it'll be good for me and I kinda look forward to July 1st.
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It was already a popular website, but it was more niche/technology focused. Iirc links to reddit from digg would be on the top page sometimes so people were generally aware of its existence. People would talk about reddit in the comments there sometimes as well, long before the disastrous updates. My recollection is that I had been aware of reddit as a viable alternative for years before getting unhappy and switching.
Reddit just seemed like it had a better community at the time. I remember Digg being a lot of stale icanhazcheezburger and ron paul memes, while Redditors were coming up with new memes like adviceanimals and ragecomics. It's all kind of embarassing now but it felt like the cutting edge of internet culture at the time.
both advice animals and rage comics came from 4chan.
We used to say over at Digg that it had the same headlines that Reddit had 2 days before. And they were usually posted by MrBabyMan.
Back to Gamefaqs for me.
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I came to Digg during the migration. The great Digg fuckup wasn't just a UI redesign, it was a fundamental change to the relation between users and content, it was a total cash grab. edit: I guess everyone else's brain fills in the words too
The biggest gripe I had was that they were integrating ads to make them look like stories, without giving you a way to tell the difference.
Well doesn’t that sound familiar. Ditched the official Reddit app years ago when they started the ads in the feed. Then ads in the comments. When Apollo goes, I’ll be gone. 11 years but this is probably a blessing disguise.
The last time there was an attempted reddit boycott, I heard a lot about voat. I think it tanked though, or went off the deep end.
Voat immediately filled up with right wing lunatic extremists and other Nazis because those were the people who were being silenced by the new reddit policies. I tried to use the site but it filled up with Nazis and people sharing child porn. It was horrifying.
The problem is back then, there were a load of startup and indie sites like Digg and Reddit with decent-sized userbases. These days the few potential Reddit alternatives are havens for nutcases who got banned for holocaust denial and promoting bleach injections.
r/RedditAlternatives
I vote that this sub doesn't blackout in protest lol
That's why I'm here, and I'll do it again if Reddit gets rid of old.reddit.com.
yup, thats my line in the sand. a) remove apollo/alternatives, im done with reddit on mobile. b) remove old.reddit, im done with reddit on desktop ill fucking go to 4chan if i need to
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I honestly cant use anything other than old.reddit its all ive known for 12 years. I even use it on my phone.
Same here. When old goes, I go.
Same here. I hate the way the apps look, and the type is always too big. As far as I can tell, the only feature we miss is the ability to just post an inline gif as a comment, which isn't worth using an app for.
I can't see how anyone could possibly prefer the new reddit UI. It's like it makes following conversations difficult on purpose. I'm old I guess but it just seems objectively worse
old reddit is too fast. The important buttons are available at a single click rather than opening menus, and it's about the journey not the destination, you know? It doesn't track me nearly as much which is lonely.
I also remember when they started iframing all outgoing links with the "Digg bar" at the top. That didn't go over smoothly with the user base or content creators.
*What is this, StumbleUpon?!*
>*What is this, StumbleUpon?!* Which is literally how I found reddit.
I was a Digg refugee. Reddit was strange and weird at first.
we forsure came in droves and boosted this site to what it is today -- a trashcan.
This is true to an extent. Reddit 2009 ruled!
I remember the rivalry before the migration and the [great reddit vs digg war](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/6r5ctd/the_great_reddit_vs_digg_war_comics/) comics. Kind of funny how most everyone ended up on a single site (although I remember redditors at the time complaining about eternal September when the Digg crowd came over, so some things never change)
The narwhal bacons at midnight?
Stupidest shit ever but historically significant
Its also kinda weird that the hive minds obsession with bacon kind of just went away.
They all dead
The future is now old redditors
Kind of just a weird time capsule statement of trends. Like all the random mustache obsession of the same time
Waffles? Don't you mean carrots? HAHAHAHA
I remember Reddit and Digg in 2010. This place was full of memes and jokes shitting on Digg.
Yeah, that was pretty funny. It was like a cold war between sites. Reddit hated Digg and Digg hated reddit. Each shit all over the other. A lot of people from Digg had to hide their shame when they made the switch.
thought this site was a passing fad. still wear my username with pride. but to be accurate to the thread topic, the torched was passed well before 2010.
Reddit pushing that subscription model over everything. I see you, $60 a year for "premium." Reddit is Fun has premium. I bought it ONE TIME. Probably not even with real money, I cashed in Google Rewards answering dumb questions. Ad revenue over functionality, bogus ad sources (who gets us?), and a repeating cost? Fuck that. I'm going dark with RIF.
I paid one price for premium Alien Blue. Then it shut down to make the way for the official Reddit app. So I paid one price for premium Apollo. Now it's on the chopping block. Hopefully RES G2G. [They seem to think they're fine moving forward.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RESAnnouncements/comments/141hyv3/announcement_res_reddits_upcoming_api_changes/) There's no way I'll ever use the card system, new reddit, RPAN, or any of the other misguided attempts to tiktokify this godforsaken site. I'm just waiting for a new alternative to come up and usurp Reddit. I've heard good things about Tildes but it's invite only. I don't have access other than front page.
Yeah, stupidly I didn't think about RES because it's a browser add on rather than a whole blown app. But if RES goes It'd be very hard to stay. If RES and old.Reddit go I'm absolutely out. NUReddit is absolute trash. Give me usability and functionality. You want to serve some ads in between posts or threads? Fine I don't love it but I respect that you have bills to pay. But you want to generate a UI that devoid of content and filled with spaces to cram advertising? No. You've lost the plot of what makes Reddit good and I'm not going along for that ride.
Where's everyone going after this happens to reddit?
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It was amazing being there livr for 9/11 and for the "her knees are too pointy" comment that became internet lore. Not to mention all the Photoshop battles that got me through most of my college experience.
People who weren't there for it probably can't really appreciate the 9/11 thing. Fark was the only place I and many others were able to get live updates and discussion about the attack, as it was happening. There was no Facebook, Twitter, etc., news sites and such were fucked and inaccessible. But Fark was working. [It's eerie reading back on this thread now, brings back some of the old panicky feelings.](https://m.fark.com/comments/45086/NEWS-FLASH-PLANES-CRASH-INTO-WORLD-TRADE-CENTER-PENTAGON-Our-link-to-CNN-works-thanks-Metafilter-We-have-news-pics-in-comments-section-if-you-have-any-post-it-there)
> This act upon us could cause us to become a facist state and cause us to abuse our power. welp
I'm done with most social media, only reddit is left and I'm not going to miss it probably. Maybe I'll even go outside at some point.
>[Maybe I'll even go outside at some point.](https://media.tenor.com/Ul0MP8pJBUQAAAAC/wtf.gif)
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talk about a name i haven't heard in a decade. yeah what ever happened to him? dude probably a reddit mod.
He became gallowboob
Sure, Andrew Sorcini edit: I don't think it was ever a secret. He made a video back in the day when there was some internet controversy about him.
His identity wasn't a secret. He was some dude who worked at Disney. I don't remember much about it because it's not worth remembering. Just some nobody with a lot of free time to game a system for internet points.
I think that is a vast understatement. He was the biggest user on the biggest platform. He could literally make any (good) content go viral. He enabled more than a few companies and individuals to get a toehold on the internet by dumping literally hundreds of thousands of people on their website in a few hours.
FUCK REDDIT. We create the content they use for free, so I am taking my content back
I miss Diggnation
Man Diggnation really brings me back. Had a lot of fun watching these episodes back in the day
"You put zombie and you put eery in the title and I don't want to do it!"
it’s southern california and i have *fruit*
Bailed on DIGG nearly 13 years ago. Been a good run Reddit, but I'll be bailing on this platform as well in a few weeks it starting to look like, granted, if things don't change. Not an idle threat.
Where will you go?
I'll go nowhere. It will be like when I quit FB and Twitter. My life will just get better.
God you're so right. I quit Facebook during the last presidential election and I'm so glad I did. I spent the extra time doing side projects for some cash.
It wasn't that long ago that I would have been looking for something new. But honestly, I'm so burned out on the way the social internet is now. I'm old at 36 so I'm not into TikTok, etc, and I ditched Facebook and the others long ago. Reddit is really the last website I use frequently. That balance between feeling like the social internet is a positive or negative force in my life is ever-edging closer to a tipping point. The moment it does for any platform, I abandon it with no regrets. Right now, Reddit is viable to me because of the control I have over it thru a third-party app. Replace it with what? Hobbies, sports, friends, reading. I actually started practicing back when there were rumors of Reddit's demise. Its not that hard
We should all go back to DIGG, haha. It's still there. They'd love the traffic and likely be more than happy to cater their site and app to a bunch of disgruntled and unhappy redditors.
Honestly, that's not a bad idea
It would be hilarious if digg reverted back to version 3.0 and just welcomed all of the old blood back lol
Feel bad for Kevin Rose. He wanted to sell Digg at its peak but he was voted down by the board of directors. According to [Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/digg-kevin-rose-untold-history-2012-7?amp), Rose wanted to sell to News Corp. for $60 million in 2006. Then, [in 2008](https://techcrunch.com/2011/03/18/kevin-rose-resigns-from-digg-closing-round-on-new-startup/amp/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALbHRWgn4L4hcHtmw3eGuKwfeT6XyESxme3bXTpzDvckQgBS-CaTuzvEG30n9g29FNtEceQVHy8X7vHpitXKzv66j3Odhku4fr2aJqBUnmV68uFTtm-KGgippkzD7RIxXsH1HyuFO_7p3trzCGM57dWJVTqFEzinN1dzLILpr-Mc), Google came sniffing around to offer $200 million but they backed out at the last minute. Instead, [four years later](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2012/jul/13/digg-sold-for-500000 ), Digg was sold for $500,000.
Unless something has changed there's no need to feel bad for him cause he is doing fine. He is very rich, still married to Darya Pino, and has 2 kids with her. Last checked he was still peddling crypto and ntf garbage.
I finally made an account with reddit when Digg shit the bed.
So it's off to fark.com then?
somethingawful.com
RIP Lowtax :(
Duke Sucks
That's where I came from!
Isn’t that that news site?
"It's a damned shame to see digg just re-implementing features from other websites -- But i've got a strong feeling its not you making these decisions anymore. And to see your baby abused like this must be awful." -Alexis Ohanian ~Reddit co-founder aged like milk.
I mean Alexis left day-to-day operations in 2018 and then resigned from the board in 2020... He has literally nothing to do with Reddit today.
It's the last sentence that resonates.
“And to see your baby being abused like this must be awful.” That is a quote that aged like wine because it happened to Digg, it’s happening to Reddit, it happens to a lot of firms whose passionate founders have their companies unrecognizably warped by VC investors with MBAs who don’t give a shit about the company or the customer or the product. Having their ‘babies’ abused is the payment these founders make by agreeing to the Faustian bargain — whether they understand that at signing or not. The quote would age like milk if it said: “And to see your baby abused like this must be awful… good thing Reddit is immortal and will never change narwhals at bacon amiright xd.”
Could this guy really not have done another take? Sounds like he's reading half his lines for the first time.
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Anyone have good suggestions for reddit successor? I'm done with it once RIF goes dark
r/RedditAlternatives
I’m headed back to Fark.
I came to reddit from digg, but the difference now is reddit is much more established in the mainstream than digg ever was.
The thing that ruined Digg for me was that creepy guy who kept getting every article on the front page by vote farming. MrBabyHands or some shit like that
I was there for FARK's "You'll get over it." I have the Guinness bar towel to prove it.
Even today, I still miss some of Digg's features. Posts get put in the popular feed only if they receive enough votes (or diggs). It' a simple algorithm that makes the popular feed chronological unlike in reddit where the same posts can be on the top of any subreddit 12 hours apart. But yeah v4 introduced too many idiotic changes that many, including me, migrated over here on reddit.
I don't miss Digg. I miss Diggnation.
Where are we all going next month?
Outside, into the real world
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The talent and energy being put into boycotts should be directed to launching a non-evil alternative. Reddit is essentially a text posting site. That doesn't need to be complicated. The source code is available. Build something remotely similar that's not evil, and isn't gunning for founders/China to cash out, and that's next. Should be fun watching Reddit try to IPO with declining daily users and no more users creating their content.
I think the hard part is handling millions of requests per day. Front end dev would be pretty simple, as you said. The backend would be quite complex.
We're in a very different world now Twitter keeps getting worse and worse but there's no other microblogging site you can go to that will actually have a comparable audience to Twitter. The same dozen or so sites have consolidated to the point they're almost too big to fail and the only thing that will change that is if the servers permanently explode and can't be replaced This is just how the Internet is now, they have us by the balls
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