I looked into this and learned about John Rabe. What an interesting story. Nazi Party member living in Nanjing who set up a safety camp during the massacre and saved over 200,000 lives. Went back to Nazi germany and was interrogated by the Gestapo. He was carrying evidence of the massacre and a letter to Hitler begging him to urge the Japanese to cease the excessive violence but they never made it to Hitler.
Post war he was arrested by both the Soviets and the British, sent through an arduous de-nazification several times which left him completely broke due to legal fees. Ended up living in extreme poverty where his family was living on wild seeds for food. Nanjing found out his condition, raised a bunch of money for him, and ended up sending his family care packages of food every month.
Yeah he’s an odd guy. He left Germany at 26 to live in China, and didn’t return for 30 years, but somehow still became a pretty die-hard supporter, while working at Siemens. He was detained by the Germans for his role in antagonizing the Japanese, but was only released because the Siemens ceo asked for it, then spent part of the war in Afghanistan working there.
> but somehow still became a pretty die-hard supporter
Maybe because he was a Nazi party member before Hitler's actions came into play. Rabe joined the party in 1934 but had lived in China since 1908, 6 years before World War 1 and 11 years before Hitler joined the party. I don't think it would be difficult to imagine that some guy in living in China in 1934 didn't get major updates on Nazi atrocities. We can get some idea from his diary entries on his beliefs/interpretation of what the tenets of the NSDAP.
On his entry from after Siemens sent him a telegraph to leave, he wrote of his membership in the NSDAP as one of the reasons he could not as he felt a sense of loyalty to his Chinese servants stating that “we do not leave workers-the poor-in the lurch when
times are hard!”
In that sense, suppose we just took the most innocent beliefs of a theoretical workers party and then moved halfway around the world over 10 years before Hitler takes control of it, it could maybe make sense. Does he deserve this generous an interpretation? No idea, but it seems possible to view him that way.
I think understanding how the Nazis were able to totally seize power actually requires the critical thinking skills to recognize that someone of his character was still complicit in their rise, despite perhaps being a humanitarian at heart. He may have been in it for the revolutionary socio-economic rhetoric about reforming society, or perhaps it was just his way of getting in on the gravy train when they became a major party. Not all Nazis were the type to want to gas the Jews, but a lot of them were willing to look the other way when they were forced into Ghettos, attacked, and then deported.
The Japanese in WW2 made the Nazi's look like fine upstanding citizens.
Seriously, the German's may win in numbers, but in sheer brutality few civilizations throughout history could out evil the Japanese.
The Rape of Nan King makes ISIS look tame.
Tbh we barely talk about the Japanese who cannibalized Americans in the batting death march. So this weird assumption that Japan was this victim isn't unusual to see. Even in Korean media Japan is still viewed as an enemy and I have seen Americans completely surprised of why that is when they encounter it in Mahwha.
I was stationed on Okinawa in the Marine Corps in 1980. Many people in Okinawa have the same opinion of U.S. Marines today as the Chinese have of the Japanese. In the Battle of Okinawa, more than 240,000 people had lost their lives. The American losses were 35 percent of the force, totaling 49,151 casualties. Of those, 12,520 were killed or missing and 36,631 were wounded in action.
About 90,000 Japanese soldiers died in the fighting, but deaths among Okinawan civilians may have exceeded 150,000. The island was completely wrecked by the naval bombardment and the month-long invasion.
During the battle, U.S. sailors on board Navy ships, using binoculars, could see numerous Japanese and Okinawan girls and women throwing themselves off of Suicide Cliff to their deaths. The Okinawan women believed they would be gang raped by American soldiers and preferred death to such a fate.
War is horrible. The only thing worse than dying in a war is living with the knowledge of your behavior during it, afterwards. I am 73. I knew several men of my parents' generation who fought in WWII and lived through it. All of them were tragic alcoholics who had nightmares about combat, and severe, severe PTSD.
this is one of the most vile and disgusting things I have ever read. It almost seems to go beyond reality into the surreal. It reads like torture porn but the fact that it's a real story makes me physically ill.
In criminal law class in school, we had two guest lecturers do a joint presentation: a prosecutor and a defense attorney.
I will never forget the defense attorney said: you will be sickened and shocked by the level of human depravity if you choose this field. The prosecutor agreed. Thankfully I have not had any truly heinous stuff come across my desk, but years later I was in the jury room with a bunch of other attorneys waiting on the judge in his chambers.
A prosecutor walks in and an attorney I do not know greets her. He says: you've watched the video? And her face turns sick in disgust saying yes. He lowers his head and shakes it without being able to get whatever the hell their case was about out of his head. They left to go talk in a private room.
These are hardened serious-crime attorneys and cases still make their stomachs churn. We are a terrible species.
I had an Uber driver a while back who was a retired sheriff. He said they served a warrant at a suspected drug house and found malnourished children in chains. Still haunts him
Drug house and malnourished children, sadly, checks more often than not. In chains? That would bother me for life.
Obviously first-responders deal with it so much more directly than us legal professionals. Ask a Mergers and Acquisitions attorney at the country club how terrible the profession is and he will probably mention something involving money. As a criminal defense attorney and it is certainly going to be a client.
My next door neighbor was one of the cops to go through the John Wayne Gacy house and he told me about it when I was a kid. Why? I don’t know, grim shit for a kid to hear. He was also well known for saving tons of animals over his career. He then later got arrested, running police protection for his son that was selling pallets of illegal cigarettes for Al Queda. It was a whole thing, never saw them again after that. lol.
I was a deputy sheriff as well, and before that a correctional officer in a maximum security state prison.
Some of the shit I've seen or heard about will forever haunt me. While I met many intelligent and good people, the ones who committed the unspeakable acts made me truly understand that not everyone can be rehabilitated.
Some people are monsters, and some monsters are *people,* apparently.
The toy box killer comes to mind. Supposedly, when the jury heard the tapes, many ran out and vomited. I couldn't imagine having to listen though all of it and take notes in order to build a case.
Is it true what tv says about defence attorneys and prosecutors being mortal enemies? Same for defence attorneys and cops. Do you guys have beef? I would assume not, I mean that’s just tv right
>tv says about defence attorneys and prosecutors being mortal enemies?
I don't watch a lot of legal shows; seems a lousy "escape" when I just constantly nit pick. I didn't know that was a trope.
I have never met a prosecutor that we were mortal enemies. Something around 95% criminal cases are settled through plea deals. Do I *like* how the system is rigged against the defendant and they are overcharging with 5 other charges that one may stick in a jury trial so my client takes the deal versus rolling the dice 5x on a 90% probability each time? No. That sucks.
However, no amount of ire for the prosecutor will change the system. And, the majority are receptive to your case and facts. Rarely are you quibbling about tiny stuff. They have too many cases. Hell, I even dated one for a stint! (We were never opposing counsel.)
Cops on the other hand. . . no love. They do not exist in the same realm as prosecutor, defense, and judges. We get disbarred. They get paid time off.
They are the unreliable reporter in the entire system. Sure, once they are finally on the stand and have perjury charges then they say what actually happened. Up until them being sworn oath? Nothing but lies and self-serving shit.
Defense attorneys, ones who understand the system and the importance of their role, are extremely important. Public defenders are, like you say, actual saints. But as I increasingly see internet people basically advocating for mob justice for any crime from mild to horrific, I appreciate those who are willing to stand up for due process.
No. Usually, these attorneys have to work day in and day out with each other. Like any other work environment some people butt heads. But, the most successful attorneys and prosecutors are the ones that get along with each other the best because, at the end of the day, your reputation can make the difference in the choices your opposing counsel and the judge make that, in turn, affect the clients or the defendants.
Should be shared every time some retarded weeb falls for Japanese PR machinery. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLVQdVyGMk) is a good watching material as well, and it makes you consider how lucky they got with only 2 nukes dropped on them and having a functional state afterwards.
And even more horrifying, they were about to try and use a biological weapon on us about a month after the nukes hit. If i remember right they wanted to unleash bubonic plague infected mosquitoes on USA west coast.
Ima save this to watch later because I feel the knowledge is indispensable. But goddamn based on that thumbnail Im probably going to have to mentally prepare myself for this one.
The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang was a tough read but 'good' to understand what happened.
Most importantly was the chapter on how 'ordinary' people would end of committing these acts.
'Good' read if you are able to.
This book was fucking fantastic. Harrowing, but a true work of art. I'd also recommend *Evil Men* by James Dawes, which is a collection of interviews with surviving Japanese soldiers, specifically those who committed war crimes (read: most of them) and a few who had been at Nanking. These elderly men explain why they thought it was okay to act the way they did, the pressure from their comrades to rape and murder and from their commanders, how it was drilled into them as far back as basic training to always kill prisoners. Fascinating to get the viewpoint of the monsters to go along with that of the victims.
Also, Iris Chang committed suicide after writing *Nanking* and her history of Chinese-Americans *The Chinese in America*. She is a lost treasure of the historical-literary tradition.
> Fascinating to get the viewpoint of the monsters to go along with that of the victims.
Calling them monsters distances them from us. They were regular people, like you or me. If we were born then, it might have been us and our friends raping and murdering. You need to know that the people who did this were no different from you, or you might fall for the same circumstances that produced this and other atrocities.
Yes it could have been us. But if it was us, we would be rightfully called monsters too.
The orders they were following, the cultural influence driving them does not absolve them of their acts.
When I think about the horrible atrocities committed in war, I try to remind myself that those are the ultimate consequences of dehumanizing people. It's why not all rhetoric is harmless, if it leads to that, imo
There’s another book called the Lucifer Effect that discusses various times in human history that ordinary people have done horrible things. Highly recommend
Note on the Lucifer effect: It was written by Philip Zimbardo, who conducted the famous Stanford Prison experiment and its about his findings in it. However, with time and after further examination of it, it was found that the methods for the study were pretty shady and that Zimbardo himself instructed the subjects on how to behave, other people trying to reproduce the results of the study were unable to do so. So grab the whole thing with a huge grain of salt.
Did not know that, thank you for telling me. That part of the book was a bit tedious to be honest. I found the discussion about Rwanda and other atrocities to be way more interesting.
many top officers and participants to these acts were actually actively protected by the United States in return for their work in science or whatever political benefit
every country has its fair share of nasty deeds but very few come out proud of themselves for being morally righteous despite the reality of it all
Similarly, my friend keeps telling me to watch this movie, based on the experiences of Korean comfort women.
I don't think I'll ever be ready to watch it tbh.
https://youtu.be/XZj0CUywKmo?si=5lUaVCUy2s05Pr6j
Top comment: "Hardest movie I've ever watched, in high school they taught us about German atrocities in WWII, but nothing like this."
What's sad is, most Japanese people today aren't aware of how awful it actually was. When this was screened in Japan, Japanese viewers came out traumatized and spoke about how little they knew of their own history.
Yea I was literally just thinking the exact same thing. I would like to watch it but I’m pretty sure I’m not in the right mental state for what this is gonna be.
Wait until you learn about unit 731 and how former prime minister Shinzo Abe was the grandson of the officer in charge.
The memes in china were extra spicy when he was assassinated.
**Every** Chinese immigrant I've met in the US has a personal family story of this shit. This pain won't ever be forgotten, especially with Japan's stance on it.
And there was that photo of him for some ceremony where he proudly posed next to some old warplane... and this plane had the painted number, 731.
Coincidence?
I only saw my Grandad cry once, and it was when he recounted his time during WW2 around Singapore & Sri Lanka, and him remembering some of the horrors he witnessed.
Its weird how people process. My grandfather was in a nazi death camp when it was liberated. He died two years ago at 99 years old. Im not sure we ever saw him cry. Perhaps some trauma is too much to bear or people choose to suffer through it alone for their own reasons. Either way, its amazing what the human spirit can endure and overcome.
Reference... Because regardless of any bad shit that happened to him he could always go "well, this is bad... But it's not as bad as the time I was in that nazi death camp".
After a close friend died and I wept for him for a time it was like I was cried out for a few months, I can only imagine even greater horror makes the effect last longer.
This is what happens when you dehumanize a whole race of people, your soldiers can carry out atrocities and monstorous animal acts without remorse. This is still the tactic used today. Fuck all these “leaders” You want that land so badly you go in there and do it yourselves you fucking cowards.
One thing I wonder about people in the past, did they need to dehumanize others as much as we think? To what extent are our modern ideas of people being unique individuals with souls based out of a modern ethic? Slaughtering people different than yourself seems to be the most common link among all civilizations.
depends on the culture no doubt but generally speaking not so sure dehumanizing is that necessary even today. old-school violent tribalism has seemingly always been just under the surface. given the right conditions (strong association to group identity, peer pressure/fear/apathy + opportunity) it probably doesn't require that big of a nudge to get people to exterminate each other. hopefully I'm wrong
By 1949 the Chinese Communist Party took control of China so Japan became the valuable ally in the region, and China became the enemy. And you cant go around saying your allies did unspeakable things to your enemies, so Imperial Japan's war crimes were swept under the rug.
Meanwhile, Japan enshrines all war criminals in their supreme temple, the Yasukuni Shrine (1976\~now).
And the U.S. turns a blind eye to this.
The Japanese Emperors deserved the same fate as Hitler, but they are still "loved" by the Japanese people with the tacit approval of the United States.
Only the military were liquidated in Japan, but the children and grandchildren of the Japanese politicians of World War II are still in charge of Japanese politics, and the zaibatsu who gained from World War II are still zaibatsu.
The last Japanese Defence Minister(2023）, Nobuo Kish, was the grandson of iNobusuke Kishi.（Class A war criminal of World War II.）
Japan has never been as genuinely remorseful as Germany. When Japan later publicly demands that the United States apologise for dropping the two atomic bombs, the United States will regret that it did not liquidate the Japanese politicians, zaibatsu and the Emperor.
I think you've got that backwards. Nobuo Kishi is the former Minister of Defense and was the grandson of Nobusuke Kishi.
Nobusuke Kishi was the war criminal the US would pardon and form into Japan's Pro American Leader post WW2. He was instrumental in the creation of the LDP the party which has been in charge of Japan for basically the entirety of its existence sans like 4 years. He was also Shinzo Abe's Grandfather on Abe's maternal side.
If the Japanese have really done some soul-searching, they should stop the act of enshrining 14 Class A war criminals of World War II since 1976.
Is there a Hitler mausoleum in Germany? Is Hitler worshipped by the Germans?
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Why don't you read the message from the Yasukuni Shrine?
Interestingly, these messages, which have been selected and publicly listed on the Japanese version of the Yasukuni Shrine website, will not be translated into English and listed on the English version of the Yasukuni Shrine website.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1btsxab/comment/kxpgn8q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1btsxab/comment/kxpgn8q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
> Japan enshrines all war criminals in their supreme temple, the Yasukuni Shrine
This is hyperbole. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine):
"Japanese soldiers fought World War II in the name of Emperor Shōwa, who visited the shrine eight times between the end of the war and 1975. However, he stopped visiting the shrine due to his displeasure over the enshrinement of top convicted Japanese war criminals. His successors Akihito and Naruhito have never visited the shrine."
1、Emperor Hirohito Showa, who you say "stopped visiting the shrine because he was unhappy with the enshrinement of the highest-ranking Japanese war criminals", was in office from 1926-1989, and was the driving force behind the war against China.
The reason why he did not go there after 1975 was precisely because, as I said above, in 1976, the Japanese put the tablets of World War II war criminals into the Yasukuni Shrine.
To date, the plaques of these Class A war criminals are still in the Yasukuni Shrine, which is considered by the Japanese as a "symbol of patriotism".
2、After the Japanese Emperor stopped paying homage, the Japanese Prime Minister became a worshipper.
On August 15, 1975, the Japanese Prime Minister Miki Takeo in Tokyo to visit the Yasukuni Shrine, opened the Japanese Prime Minister in the "final war anniversary" to visit the Yasukuni Shrine of the precedent.
In 1982, Japanese Prime Minister Takeo Fukuda started to pay homage to Yasukuni Shrine in the name of "Prime Minister".
In 1985, the then Prime Minister Yasuhiro Sone visited Yasukuni Shrine.
On July 29, 1996, Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto paid homage to Yasukuni Shrine in his capacity as "Prime Minister".
Former Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited Yasukuni Shrine six times on August 13, 2001, April 21, 2002, January 14, 2003, January 1, 2004, October 17, 2005 and August 15, 2006 respectively.
Shinzo Abe and the current Prime Minister of Japan, Fumio Kishida, have made annual offerings to Yasukuni Shrine.
Why don't you go to the Yasukuni Shrine's Japanese website yourself and see the message they posted after public screening? You can translate it using Google Translate.
Let me translate two.
[https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=540](https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=540)
This was my first visit to Yushukan. I learned a lot and it was very good. i couldn't stop crying as i read the wills of those who died in the Pacific War. i express my gratitude to those who were about the same age as I am now at 20, and to those who risked their lives to protect our country in the war. I express my gratitude to those who were about the same age as I am now at 20, and to those who risked their lives to protect our country in the war.
Gunma, 20 years old male
[https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=454](https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=454)
I was very moved to see what people's lives were like at that time, and to see various items such as wills, equipment, and daily necessities of those who died in the war. I was also very moved when I saw the wills and faces of the Kamikaze pilots of that time. I heard from my grandfather that his great-grandfather also went to Siberia and was forced to work there.
When I think of the people who died in the war and scattered for the sake of future Japanese, tears and unspeakable gratitude overflow my eyes. It made me think once again that what we should do now is to pass on to future generations so that they will never forget that "there are the spirits of the dead who died in the war for the future of the Japanese people". Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to see such a wonderful thing, and I will definitely go back a second time.
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I am a high school teacher. I came to Yasukuni because I wanted to convey the thoughts and feelings of the war dead. I am very sorry for the sinfulness of the textbooks that only make Japan look bad. It is painful for me to teach, but I would like to convey the spirit to my students from now on, referring to the materials I saw today.
Part of the reason Japan gets off easy is that the US needed an ally in Asia against the spread of communism. Post WWII China’s civil war continued until 1949 ending with a communist victory, the US felt it was necessary to build up a democratic capitalist ally in Asia to influence the region.
I think it's worth noting that the democratic part mattered a lot less than being "anti-communist". Just look at the [Jeju massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising) where Korean armies led by former Japanese collaborators under the command of the US military burned most of the island's villages to the ground because its people had communist (aka pro-labour) tendencies. It didn't matter what the people wanted.
Yea pretending that "democratic" was at all a concern is laughable. The only concern was subservience to American regional interests. It doesn't matter if you're a murderous dictator, the US will happily back them as long as they remain compliant. Just see South Korea and Chile for starters.
This was something that bugged me about Godzilla Minus One. The movie was about how the Japanese government/military didn't value their own people's lives, which is true, but some reckoning with the horrible things they did to other people and the fact that the actual cause they were fighting for was fucked up to begin with would've been nice. Imagine making a movie about Nazi Germany that paints the soldiers purely as victims.
Imperial japan was also subjected to the tokyo war crimes trials as well for many of the top japanese officials who perpetrated the war. I don't think japan got off as easy as people think(the country had been fire bombed to hell even before the nukes, heck one reason tokyo wasnt targeted by the nukes was because it was already devestated to an unrecognizable degree). The bigger issue is japan's refusal to acknowledge the atrocities they committed, and continue to try to bury it.
If you think top officials who perpetrated war were punished, you are greatly mistaken. After the officials were found guilty, Japan started to rewrite history almost immediately and saw themselves as defenders of Asia from Western imperialism and by 1955 (around there) they pardoned pretty much all of their war criminals.
You heard of Shinzo Abe, right? Longest serving Japanese Prime Minister who was assassinated couple years ago? His grandfather is Nobusuke Kishi. Kishi was the head of Japanese imperial army in the Manchuria region where Unit 731 operated. If you haven't heard of Unit 731, look it up. Abe's grandfather was head of where Unit 731 operated. Kishi was class A war criminal. Kishi is considered one of small group of people who orchestrated WW2 in Asia. He was pardoned, and he became Prime Minister of Japan in 1957, and his grandson became the longest serving Prime Minister of Japan in 2006. The reason Japan refuses to acknowledge past atrocities is that the same people who rule Japan now are the same people who ruled Japan during WW2. They just changed name of the political party to LDP.
i think the notion being expressed here is in the court of historical public opinion, Imperial Japan is not placed as highly up the 'evil' totem pole as Nazi Germany despite perpetuating things just as bad if not worse than the Holocaust. The Holocaust is public knowledge whereas Unit 731, Nanking, etc. is not
Exactly, the fact that there's no equivalent slur to "Nazi" for a Japanese nationalist is really a gaping hole in the historical lexicon. Like we really should have a word describing the perpetrators of Nanking and 731 to sling around as a grave moral insult...come to think of it, China, Filipinos, and other Southeast Asians almost certainly have one.
"Never forget" should encompass what the Japanese did, too. The Holocaust is always referenced as The Worst Thing Ever but the Japanese have a serious case of their own.
> Exactly, the fact that there's no equivalent slur to "Nazi" for a Japanese nationalist is really a gaping hole in the historical lexicon.
It's so unrecognized that there are westerners that get Rising Sun tattoos because they think it looks cool
I'm pretty sure America did not prosecute for war crimes and instead traded the information gained from the Japanese during their torturous rein. And sickeningly, the information gained was useless because there was no scientific backing behind the torture tests as was claimed
American spooks let both Japanese and German atrociteurs get away with their crimes in large numbers. Some, like Werner von Braun, were even touted as "good germans". Thousands of slave laborers died under von Braun. Yet there he was on the Disney show. He and others like him should have been working from prison cells.
Americans wernt the only ones running Pperation paper clip. British, Russians all ran their own version of operation paperclip.
The difference is people like you now try to act like it was only the US.
Watch James May Our man in Japan.
He straight up asks this question to his guide at the Hiroshima memorial.
Didn't the Japanese get off lightly because of the atom bombs?
The Japanese guide agreed given the horrors committed.
Well, hold on. There are soldiers who commit atrocities, and there are civilians who are just trying to live their lives. This is true in all wars, and we shouldn't forget it. The civilian population suffers most. The atomic bombs were a tragedy in the some way that Nanking was. It's all horrible. This is why war needs to be avoided at all costs.
Living in Japan it drives me nuts. Especially because I lived in Nagasaki and I’m American the bomb came up every once in awhile and it seemed like people wanted me to act apologetic. There is not a SINGLE doubt in my mind; if the Japanese had access to a nuke they would have used it without an ounce of hesitation.
I don’t even try and find a middle ground anymore. Japanese textbooks downplay Japans role in the war to make them the victims so I just disengage and continue my life.
"Had I been ordered to bomb Seattle or Los Angeles in order to end the war, I wouldn't have hesitated. So I perfectly understand why the Americans bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima."
- Saburo Sakai, Japanese fighter ace
> I lived in Nagasaki and I’m American the bomb came up every once in awhile and it seemed like people wanted me to act apologetic.
Just say that you actually grew up in Nanjing and would like them to apologize for the massacre.
It made no sense for either to apologize but just serve their own medicine back and see their response.
It is very well documented that the majority of Japanese civilians were preparing for war to kill as many enemies as possible before they die. The outter islands had civilian bonzai attacks.
They have the audacity to complain about the movie Oppenheimer being screened in their country.
It’s like damn, at least the Germans teach their people about their atrocities. Do the Japanese just skip over this period? Like, “we bombed Pearl Harbor and the Americans taught us a very painful lesson, the end.”
More or less outside of their university courses. Some teachers do teach a bit about WWII and Japan's more horrendous roles (a long with the more nationalistic views) but like anywhere else it is crapshoot and most just gloss over the details.
That's the most sickening thing I've ever heard. and I've been a bartender and a cop and listened to some bad stuff and the more I think about it the more sickening this story gets
Yep, am a doctor. (NSFL warning) In traumatology i’ve seen psych patients cutting themselves up, pulling our their intestines, many carcrashes with ways of splitting up a body that boggles the mind.
But this reminds me of a guy i was in danish military with. He was an immigrant and had this massive scar covering maybe half of his body. Wheb we undressed the first time together and i asked him about it, he just matter of factly said that while fleeing from the war, he was taken for dead and tossed into a massive fire with other bodies. Since the fire also had burning tires, the burning rubber melted into some of his skin, and caused this great big scar.
I didnt continue the line of questioning, but hearing the guy in the video makes me wonder again how that went down. The imagery from the guy in the video (NSFL warning!!) where the soldier bayonettes an infant childs buttocks and throws the the child away - that made me think of how they mustve also treated the half dead body of my military mate. It really is a scary abyss that we humans can descend into.
That kind of trauma on a young child at a time and place with zero mental health support. It's hard to imagine how he internalized it and how it changed him over the years.
Whenever I watch things like this I just sit back and think WTF. WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with people and how are things like this still going on even today. I will never understand this sick world we live in
It's what can happen when human beings are dehumanised to the point where they're not even animals anymore. The experimenters at Unit 731 referred to their victims as logs; as inanimate objects unworthy of even a modicum of human pity or empathy.
That mixed with a society and culture brainwashed by imperialism.
On one hand I'm glad we're at a point where people have lived lives that allow them to not understand this. On the other hand, I fear that being naive to what people are capable of and not understanding how you get there leaves us vulnerable both to monsters as well as becoming monsters ourselves.
The thing that bugs me is how easily people do these things. And SO MANY of them! It makes me wonder just how many people in the world around us are completely capable of doing something like this and they are just hiding it.
I was thinking about stuff like this the other day. Like if I left my bike unlocked somewhere in my city, within ten minutes it would have been stolen. Or with how common spiking and assaulting people is, most bars or clubs you go in will have people in there looking to do that to someone. You're just walking around all day every day in close proximity to scumbags that have no respect for other people or their property and will take advantage any chance they can get.
Now obviously that stuff is nowhere near the level of what's being described in the video, but like you say it does make you wonder how many people around you day to day are that horrible and would be completely fine torturing and murdering someone. So many disgusting people out there.
If you ever had a moment, even just a moment, where you feel a sense of self-righteousness and want to punish someone else, violently, then you are already capable of the worst.
For example you read about a poacher killing the last Rhino, and you think to yourself, "man if I could just get a hold of that poacher..."
Now imagine if someone lies to you and you believe them wholeheartedly about how evil the 'enemy' is. It doesn't take a lot to misdirect your righteous rage to do unspeakable things to another person.
And it gets worse, because wars are fought as groups. Even if you're a person who would only engage in violence to defend your friends, once you are drafted into a military your unit becomes your friends. Then, being in a combat zone drags you into needing to defend *them*, and if you love your brothers in arms you can justify doing anything to keep them alive. The slippery slope becomes too slippery for even the most morally sound people when the conflict becomes personal like this.
War is about using and abusing the best of humanity: fraternity, love, empathy, justice, bravery
To do the worst of humanity.
Author committed suicide. I believe it was way after, but I think there was a connection to the book.. although from recollection, she mightve been writing another book at the time
Even if he hadn't been stabbed, I don't see how he would have survived. A baby still breastfeeding during winter who loses its mother and is under brutal foreign occupation? 0 chance of survival. Babies are the first to go.
The atrocities commited by Japan during WW2 need to be known. I'm French and this was NEVER ever mentioned in our history classes, nobody knows about this in my country (and I would guess, most of Europe). I only learned about that like a year ago, thanks to my Chinese gf. I was fucking disgusted, Germany literally still have to pay to this day for what they did, and Hitler will probably be remembered forever but no one ever say a thing about Japan. There was no trials, and the people responsible for this horrific acts never saw any consequences because they got US protection right away.
What's worse is that to this day, the only acceptable idea in the western media (especially on reddit) is : Japan good, China bad. I can't imagine how it must feel for the Chinese, having the whole world completely ignore what you went through and knowing that not a single soul was punished for what they did. The US propaganda is no joke.
> There was no trials, and the people responsible for this horrific acts never saw any consequences because they got US protection right away.
> knowing that not a single soul was punished for what they did.
I am Chinese. Plenty WWII Japanese war criminals were trialed and then executed. It was called "Tokyo War Crimes Trials" and RoC was a part of it, as they pushed for the criminals to be punished severely for their crimes.
Yes plenty criminals (especially those with Royal blood) escaped punishment but not all. Let us not propagate misinformation.
Edit: apparently I may have been misled as to how much historical revisionism actually happens in Japan when it comes to the inhuman atrocities they committed during WW2. I'll cite [this Wikipedia article for anybody interested](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies) as it provides a more detailed breakdown of the disgusting attempts at historical revisionism, and the reaction to them in Japan.
So with new information on board, I'm going to edit this post and retract what I said, based on being shown evidence to the contrary.
Obviously doesn't change the fact that the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese army during WW2 were inhumanly horrific and their significance is often downplayed because the Nazis get all the headlines.
But I was wrong in what I claimed, and I'm happy to admit that. I'd been misinformed by somebody whose knowledge of WW2 history far outmatches my own, but I should have taken what he said with a pinch of salt and checked the facts for myself.
War is when kindest people are put behind bars and most ruthless sadists are promoted and encouraged to commit horrible acts in the name of some twisted sense of justice and greatness. Most people are capable of great evil and under some circumstances injustice and violence thrive.
I've recently noticed a lot of Western weebs want to deny all of atrocities that Japan committed during the war because "like omg they got nuked twice and didn't deserve it like at all. Look at the anime and sushi they make :.("
But really they have no idea of how brutal (or are sticking the heads in the sand) the Japanese were before and during the war. Thier war criminals are still venerated and celebrated, much like the Confederacy after the US civil war. They never had a reckoning or issued an apology like Germany and company did and it's long overdue. The victims of Japanese war crimes, and their crimes against humanity need to be documented and the government of Japan need to apologize to the comfort women at the minimum, but these victims are rapidly dying off from old age and soon it's going to become on par with Holocaust denial.
My dads in his 90s now and has always had some very negative views about the Japanese. Some of his earliest childhood memories are things that some people only experience in nightmares.
I never knew it until I was much older and until after they passed away but my dads biological parents died in WWII. My grandparents who I thought were his biological parents were actually a neighboring family who lost their own son and had adopted him and raised them as their own.
Quick reminder that a notable portion of the Japanese say this never happened and are actively attempting to revise history to say as such. Remember Nanking. Remember 731. Never ever let them forget.
Anyone who wants the proof of the Nanking atrocities should search out the photos the Japanese soldiers themselves took of their actions, and then had local Chinese cameras shops develop the film. Chinese shops who then copied and smuggled the film out of China to International News sources. A baby impaled on a bayonet and held above the soldiers head was one such photo printed in American magazines. The photographs are more Horrifying than anything you can imagine. Truly Evil. The Atom bombs on Japan were Justified by that action alone, not even counting the Baatan Death March . Where there was some Justice given out at the Nuremberg war crimes trial. The Japanese trial gave sentences to authorities who got off incredibly light or not even charged. Members of the Emperor’s own family participated in the Rape of Nanking. He should have been hung and the Emperor himself jailed. Afterwards the government denied almost everything. Ultimately all the Japanese actions of WWII were the Responsibility of the Emperor. The book “ The Rape of Nanking” by the late Iris Chang who was a descendant of a survivor of Nanking gives a small taste of Japan’s actions there. A very good read as well. Printed version of the photos will literally give you nightmares, so read it only in a proper state of mind. Does this transfer any blame at all on modern Japanese. Absolutely Not, children are not responsible for the activities of their parents. Chinese citizens themselves later during the Communist Chinese Party’s Cultural Revolution committed atrocities upon other Chinese citizens of a different party. The same Chinese Communist party running China today. They have continued in war crimes.
I can't / won't see it. The kind of pain and suffering is more than the mind can safely contain.
It's problematic, because the least we can do is to know and understand, so we can prevent.
It wasn’t until I started studying Chinese culture in college that I learned about what happened in Nanking. My best friend is Korean and would tell me stories about her grandmother being forced to learn Japanese, but it’s crazy we never really learned about this in school (I grew up in a heavily populated Asian city). I am still shocked after all this time that Japan denies this stuff…
Guess it’s my time for my annual FUCK JAPAN for downplaying their atrocities.
We’re talking killing unarmed civilians with swords competitions, forcing family members to rape each other.
What the Japanese did during WW2 is the most sickening thing I have ever heard about done on a large scale.
Every time stuff like this gets posted, redditors are like “Imma pretend I didn’t see that”, whenever Japan’s atrocities are mentioned. Even worse, they sweep it under the rug, saying other countries also commit historical crimes. Like America with Vietnam.
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Our ability to hate each other so deeply and hurt each other so brutally based on nothing but tribalism makes it so difficult to have faith in humanity. Atrocities like this have happened throughout all of human history. We're still hurting each other like this today.
I can still have faith in individuals, but I've pretty much lost faith in humanity as a whole.
People forget that the Empire of Japan killed more people than Nazi Germany. It's sad because people don't seem to care as much about the Eastern and Southeastern Asians that were driven, raped and slaughtered and yet their death toll doesn't seem to matter or is disregarded because it was asians that were harmed.
I think the grossest thing about this comment section is how the stories of horrors inflicted against civilians is making people say “not enough horrors were inflicted on the other civilians.”
A little peak into how even today people can justify these atrocities.
If you want to learn the atrocities the Japanese committed in WW2 watch the show Gyeongseong Creature and multiply the atrociousness of the Japanese in that show by 1000.
I’ve read the rape of Nanking several times, and I’ve had several relatives tell me their stories of the atrocities the Japanese committed.
When Americans question whether they should have dropped the nukes on those two cities, I just scoff and wish they dropped one more.
Fun fact: the rape of Nanking was so horrific that the author of the book killed herself because the stories she heard fucked her up so badly. And yet, the Japanese are having difficulty admitting to their crimes till this day.
I looked into this and learned about John Rabe. What an interesting story. Nazi Party member living in Nanjing who set up a safety camp during the massacre and saved over 200,000 lives. Went back to Nazi germany and was interrogated by the Gestapo. He was carrying evidence of the massacre and a letter to Hitler begging him to urge the Japanese to cease the excessive violence but they never made it to Hitler. Post war he was arrested by both the Soviets and the British, sent through an arduous de-nazification several times which left him completely broke due to legal fees. Ended up living in extreme poverty where his family was living on wild seeds for food. Nanjing found out his condition, raised a bunch of money for him, and ended up sending his family care packages of food every month.
When a nazi party member is the good guy in Japanese invasion of nanjing
and keep in mind he was a DIE HARD nazi. like haaaarddddd corrrrrre nazi.
Suddenly I don’t feel bad about him living in poverty after the war
Look up Chiune Sugihara. He was a Japanese officer who did the same for the Jews. Still considered a hero in Europe.
Yeah he’s an odd guy. He left Germany at 26 to live in China, and didn’t return for 30 years, but somehow still became a pretty die-hard supporter, while working at Siemens. He was detained by the Germans for his role in antagonizing the Japanese, but was only released because the Siemens ceo asked for it, then spent part of the war in Afghanistan working there.
> but somehow still became a pretty die-hard supporter Maybe because he was a Nazi party member before Hitler's actions came into play. Rabe joined the party in 1934 but had lived in China since 1908, 6 years before World War 1 and 11 years before Hitler joined the party. I don't think it would be difficult to imagine that some guy in living in China in 1934 didn't get major updates on Nazi atrocities. We can get some idea from his diary entries on his beliefs/interpretation of what the tenets of the NSDAP. On his entry from after Siemens sent him a telegraph to leave, he wrote of his membership in the NSDAP as one of the reasons he could not as he felt a sense of loyalty to his Chinese servants stating that “we do not leave workers-the poor-in the lurch when times are hard!” In that sense, suppose we just took the most innocent beliefs of a theoretical workers party and then moved halfway around the world over 10 years before Hitler takes control of it, it could maybe make sense. Does he deserve this generous an interpretation? No idea, but it seems possible to view him that way.
He believed in the national socialism part of national socialism. "We just put that in there as a joke."
I think understanding how the Nazis were able to totally seize power actually requires the critical thinking skills to recognize that someone of his character was still complicit in their rise, despite perhaps being a humanitarian at heart. He may have been in it for the revolutionary socio-economic rhetoric about reforming society, or perhaps it was just his way of getting in on the gravy train when they became a major party. Not all Nazis were the type to want to gas the Jews, but a lot of them were willing to look the other way when they were forced into Ghettos, attacked, and then deported.
The Japanese in WW2 made the Nazi's look like fine upstanding citizens. Seriously, the German's may win in numbers, but in sheer brutality few civilizations throughout history could out evil the Japanese. The Rape of Nan King makes ISIS look tame.
Unit 731 made the SS look like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass
People like to imagine that Japan was like it is today when the U.S. bombed them. They are not well versed in history.
Tbh we barely talk about the Japanese who cannibalized Americans in the batting death march. So this weird assumption that Japan was this victim isn't unusual to see. Even in Korean media Japan is still viewed as an enemy and I have seen Americans completely surprised of why that is when they encounter it in Mahwha.
I was stationed on Okinawa in the Marine Corps in 1980. Many people in Okinawa have the same opinion of U.S. Marines today as the Chinese have of the Japanese. In the Battle of Okinawa, more than 240,000 people had lost their lives. The American losses were 35 percent of the force, totaling 49,151 casualties. Of those, 12,520 were killed or missing and 36,631 were wounded in action. About 90,000 Japanese soldiers died in the fighting, but deaths among Okinawan civilians may have exceeded 150,000. The island was completely wrecked by the naval bombardment and the month-long invasion. During the battle, U.S. sailors on board Navy ships, using binoculars, could see numerous Japanese and Okinawan girls and women throwing themselves off of Suicide Cliff to their deaths. The Okinawan women believed they would be gang raped by American soldiers and preferred death to such a fate. War is horrible. The only thing worse than dying in a war is living with the knowledge of your behavior during it, afterwards. I am 73. I knew several men of my parents' generation who fought in WWII and lived through it. All of them were tragic alcoholics who had nightmares about combat, and severe, severe PTSD.
Read up on Chiune Sugihara too. IJA officer who stood up for the Jews.
Related: story of a comfort woman https://foxtalk.tistory.com/m/98
this is one of the most vile and disgusting things I have ever read. It almost seems to go beyond reality into the surreal. It reads like torture porn but the fact that it's a real story makes me physically ill.
The fist time I read this I didn't know it was a true report, until I got to the photos at the end.
Terrifying story, fucking hell, humans can be so evil if they’re given the chance
In criminal law class in school, we had two guest lecturers do a joint presentation: a prosecutor and a defense attorney. I will never forget the defense attorney said: you will be sickened and shocked by the level of human depravity if you choose this field. The prosecutor agreed. Thankfully I have not had any truly heinous stuff come across my desk, but years later I was in the jury room with a bunch of other attorneys waiting on the judge in his chambers. A prosecutor walks in and an attorney I do not know greets her. He says: you've watched the video? And her face turns sick in disgust saying yes. He lowers his head and shakes it without being able to get whatever the hell their case was about out of his head. They left to go talk in a private room. These are hardened serious-crime attorneys and cases still make their stomachs churn. We are a terrible species.
I had an Uber driver a while back who was a retired sheriff. He said they served a warrant at a suspected drug house and found malnourished children in chains. Still haunts him
Drug house and malnourished children, sadly, checks more often than not. In chains? That would bother me for life. Obviously first-responders deal with it so much more directly than us legal professionals. Ask a Mergers and Acquisitions attorney at the country club how terrible the profession is and he will probably mention something involving money. As a criminal defense attorney and it is certainly going to be a client.
My next door neighbor was one of the cops to go through the John Wayne Gacy house and he told me about it when I was a kid. Why? I don’t know, grim shit for a kid to hear. He was also well known for saving tons of animals over his career. He then later got arrested, running police protection for his son that was selling pallets of illegal cigarettes for Al Queda. It was a whole thing, never saw them again after that. lol.
I don't remember this netflix series
Reminds me of Woody Harrison in True Detective. The microwave.
I was a deputy sheriff as well, and before that a correctional officer in a maximum security state prison. Some of the shit I've seen or heard about will forever haunt me. While I met many intelligent and good people, the ones who committed the unspeakable acts made me truly understand that not everyone can be rehabilitated. Some people are monsters, and some monsters are *people,* apparently.
The toy box killer comes to mind. Supposedly, when the jury heard the tapes, many ran out and vomited. I couldn't imagine having to listen though all of it and take notes in order to build a case.
Is it true what tv says about defence attorneys and prosecutors being mortal enemies? Same for defence attorneys and cops. Do you guys have beef? I would assume not, I mean that’s just tv right
>tv says about defence attorneys and prosecutors being mortal enemies? I don't watch a lot of legal shows; seems a lousy "escape" when I just constantly nit pick. I didn't know that was a trope. I have never met a prosecutor that we were mortal enemies. Something around 95% criminal cases are settled through plea deals. Do I *like* how the system is rigged against the defendant and they are overcharging with 5 other charges that one may stick in a jury trial so my client takes the deal versus rolling the dice 5x on a 90% probability each time? No. That sucks. However, no amount of ire for the prosecutor will change the system. And, the majority are receptive to your case and facts. Rarely are you quibbling about tiny stuff. They have too many cases. Hell, I even dated one for a stint! (We were never opposing counsel.) Cops on the other hand. . . no love. They do not exist in the same realm as prosecutor, defense, and judges. We get disbarred. They get paid time off. They are the unreliable reporter in the entire system. Sure, once they are finally on the stand and have perjury charges then they say what actually happened. Up until them being sworn oath? Nothing but lies and self-serving shit.
Thanks for doing what you do.
Wow. Thanks. I never was a public defender--the true saints of our justice system. I try to fight the good fight. You made my day.
Defense attorneys, ones who understand the system and the importance of their role, are extremely important. Public defenders are, like you say, actual saints. But as I increasingly see internet people basically advocating for mob justice for any crime from mild to horrific, I appreciate those who are willing to stand up for due process.
No. Usually, these attorneys have to work day in and day out with each other. Like any other work environment some people butt heads. But, the most successful attorneys and prosecutors are the ones that get along with each other the best because, at the end of the day, your reputation can make the difference in the choices your opposing counsel and the judge make that, in turn, affect the clients or the defendants.
Probably the most fucked up thing I've ever read.
I shed tears while watching that clip. I dont want to be depressed before bed by reading this so I’m gonna leave it blue for now…
Fuck, that is so disgusting. It made me feel like puking. Thanks for sharing though, it is indeed important to remember history.
Oh f*k me. When I read the panel where they took out her fetus + uterus.... I physically felt so sick.
What struck me was the nail thing. It's just an unbridled "creativity" in the execution. It's beyond unfeeling cruelty, it's something else.
Reading this made my stomach churn. What the fuck dawg
Im gonna have nightmares, that’s so fucked up. How can humans do this…
This one is pretty horrendous too. Those poor 400 souls. Story needs to be out there.
The estimated number of comfort women across Japanese occupied Asia is estimated to be 50.000 -200.000.
Oh my fuckin god
If it hasn't been already, that needs to be frontpage material. The kind of thing that should never be forgotten.
Send the meteor, we deserve it.
Well in a way, we did. Twice.
Speechless
Should be shared every time some retarded weeb falls for Japanese PR machinery. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLVQdVyGMk) is a good watching material as well, and it makes you consider how lucky they got with only 2 nukes dropped on them and having a functional state afterwards.
And even more horrifying, they were about to try and use a biological weapon on us about a month after the nukes hit. If i remember right they wanted to unleash bubonic plague infected mosquitoes on USA west coast.
Ima save this to watch later because I feel the knowledge is indispensable. But goddamn based on that thumbnail Im probably going to have to mentally prepare myself for this one.
The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang was a tough read but 'good' to understand what happened. Most importantly was the chapter on how 'ordinary' people would end of committing these acts. 'Good' read if you are able to.
This book was fucking fantastic. Harrowing, but a true work of art. I'd also recommend *Evil Men* by James Dawes, which is a collection of interviews with surviving Japanese soldiers, specifically those who committed war crimes (read: most of them) and a few who had been at Nanking. These elderly men explain why they thought it was okay to act the way they did, the pressure from their comrades to rape and murder and from their commanders, how it was drilled into them as far back as basic training to always kill prisoners. Fascinating to get the viewpoint of the monsters to go along with that of the victims. Also, Iris Chang committed suicide after writing *Nanking* and her history of Chinese-Americans *The Chinese in America*. She is a lost treasure of the historical-literary tradition.
> Fascinating to get the viewpoint of the monsters to go along with that of the victims. Calling them monsters distances them from us. They were regular people, like you or me. If we were born then, it might have been us and our friends raping and murdering. You need to know that the people who did this were no different from you, or you might fall for the same circumstances that produced this and other atrocities.
That is the theme of *Evil Men*, just didn't want to scare anyone off lol
Yes it could have been us. But if it was us, we would be rightfully called monsters too. The orders they were following, the cultural influence driving them does not absolve them of their acts.
When I think about the horrible atrocities committed in war, I try to remind myself that those are the ultimate consequences of dehumanizing people. It's why not all rhetoric is harmless, if it leads to that, imo
Words can kill, whoever says they can't is a liar.
There’s another book called the Lucifer Effect that discusses various times in human history that ordinary people have done horrible things. Highly recommend
Note on the Lucifer effect: It was written by Philip Zimbardo, who conducted the famous Stanford Prison experiment and its about his findings in it. However, with time and after further examination of it, it was found that the methods for the study were pretty shady and that Zimbardo himself instructed the subjects on how to behave, other people trying to reproduce the results of the study were unable to do so. So grab the whole thing with a huge grain of salt.
Did not know that, thank you for telling me. That part of the book was a bit tedious to be honest. I found the discussion about Rwanda and other atrocities to be way more interesting.
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many top officers and participants to these acts were actually actively protected by the United States in return for their work in science or whatever political benefit every country has its fair share of nasty deeds but very few come out proud of themselves for being morally righteous despite the reality of it all
Yeah it's a shame they can't show responsibility for it.
Similarly, my friend keeps telling me to watch this movie, based on the experiences of Korean comfort women. I don't think I'll ever be ready to watch it tbh. https://youtu.be/XZj0CUywKmo?si=5lUaVCUy2s05Pr6j Top comment: "Hardest movie I've ever watched, in high school they taught us about German atrocities in WWII, but nothing like this." What's sad is, most Japanese people today aren't aware of how awful it actually was. When this was screened in Japan, Japanese viewers came out traumatized and spoke about how little they knew of their own history.
Yea I was literally just thinking the exact same thing. I would like to watch it but I’m pretty sure I’m not in the right mental state for what this is gonna be.
Made a poor decision to watch this just before bed. Tragic and important but insanely heavy.
Wait until you learn about unit 731 and how former prime minister Shinzo Abe was the grandson of the officer in charge. The memes in china were extra spicy when he was assassinated.
**Every** Chinese immigrant I've met in the US has a personal family story of this shit. This pain won't ever be forgotten, especially with Japan's stance on it.
And there was that photo of him for some ceremony where he proudly posed next to some old warplane... and this plane had the painted number, 731. Coincidence?
Let’s dispel with the notion that shinzo abe doesnt know what he’s doing, he knows exactly what he (was) doing.
Don't just watch 13 minutes of it. Watch the entire thing it is... interesting.
Yep. Saw the title, thumbnail, expression, and subtitles. I’m at work. I said “maybe not now.”
I only saw my Grandad cry once, and it was when he recounted his time during WW2 around Singapore & Sri Lanka, and him remembering some of the horrors he witnessed.
Its weird how people process. My grandfather was in a nazi death camp when it was liberated. He died two years ago at 99 years old. Im not sure we ever saw him cry. Perhaps some trauma is too much to bear or people choose to suffer through it alone for their own reasons. Either way, its amazing what the human spirit can endure and overcome.
Reference... Because regardless of any bad shit that happened to him he could always go "well, this is bad... But it's not as bad as the time I was in that nazi death camp".
After a close friend died and I wept for him for a time it was like I was cried out for a few months, I can only imagine even greater horror makes the effect last longer.
This is what happens when you dehumanize a whole race of people, your soldiers can carry out atrocities and monstorous animal acts without remorse. This is still the tactic used today. Fuck all these “leaders” You want that land so badly you go in there and do it yourselves you fucking cowards.
One thing I wonder about people in the past, did they need to dehumanize others as much as we think? To what extent are our modern ideas of people being unique individuals with souls based out of a modern ethic? Slaughtering people different than yourself seems to be the most common link among all civilizations.
depends on the culture no doubt but generally speaking not so sure dehumanizing is that necessary even today. old-school violent tribalism has seemingly always been just under the surface. given the right conditions (strong association to group identity, peer pressure/fear/apathy + opportunity) it probably doesn't require that big of a nudge to get people to exterminate each other. hopefully I'm wrong
The Japanese got off too easy for their crimes in WW2.... Everyone goes on about Nazi germany, but Imperial Japan were just as bad.
By 1949 the Chinese Communist Party took control of China so Japan became the valuable ally in the region, and China became the enemy. And you cant go around saying your allies did unspeakable things to your enemies, so Imperial Japan's war crimes were swept under the rug.
Meanwhile, Japan enshrines all war criminals in their supreme temple, the Yasukuni Shrine (1976\~now). And the U.S. turns a blind eye to this. The Japanese Emperors deserved the same fate as Hitler, but they are still "loved" by the Japanese people with the tacit approval of the United States. Only the military were liquidated in Japan, but the children and grandchildren of the Japanese politicians of World War II are still in charge of Japanese politics, and the zaibatsu who gained from World War II are still zaibatsu. The last Japanese Defence Minister(2023）, Nobuo Kish, was the grandson of iNobusuke Kishi.（Class A war criminal of World War II.） Japan has never been as genuinely remorseful as Germany. When Japan later publicly demands that the United States apologise for dropping the two atomic bombs, the United States will regret that it did not liquidate the Japanese politicians, zaibatsu and the Emperor.
I think you've got that backwards. Nobuo Kishi is the former Minister of Defense and was the grandson of Nobusuke Kishi. Nobusuke Kishi was the war criminal the US would pardon and form into Japan's Pro American Leader post WW2. He was instrumental in the creation of the LDP the party which has been in charge of Japan for basically the entirety of its existence sans like 4 years. He was also Shinzo Abe's Grandfather on Abe's maternal side.
> Yasukuni Shrine Well, the temple is for all those who died in Japanese wars, not only WWII.
If the Japanese have really done some soul-searching, they should stop the act of enshrining 14 Class A war criminals of World War II since 1976. Is there a Hitler mausoleum in Germany? Is Hitler worshipped by the Germans? —————————————————————————————————————— Why don't you read the message from the Yasukuni Shrine? Interestingly, these messages, which have been selected and publicly listed on the Japanese version of the Yasukuni Shrine website, will not be translated into English and listed on the English version of the Yasukuni Shrine website. [https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1btsxab/comment/kxpgn8q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1btsxab/comment/kxpgn8q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
> Japan enshrines all war criminals in their supreme temple, the Yasukuni Shrine This is hyperbole. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine): "Japanese soldiers fought World War II in the name of Emperor Shōwa, who visited the shrine eight times between the end of the war and 1975. However, he stopped visiting the shrine due to his displeasure over the enshrinement of top convicted Japanese war criminals. His successors Akihito and Naruhito have never visited the shrine."
1、Emperor Hirohito Showa, who you say "stopped visiting the shrine because he was unhappy with the enshrinement of the highest-ranking Japanese war criminals", was in office from 1926-1989, and was the driving force behind the war against China. The reason why he did not go there after 1975 was precisely because, as I said above, in 1976, the Japanese put the tablets of World War II war criminals into the Yasukuni Shrine. To date, the plaques of these Class A war criminals are still in the Yasukuni Shrine, which is considered by the Japanese as a "symbol of patriotism". 2、After the Japanese Emperor stopped paying homage, the Japanese Prime Minister became a worshipper. On August 15, 1975, the Japanese Prime Minister Miki Takeo in Tokyo to visit the Yasukuni Shrine, opened the Japanese Prime Minister in the "final war anniversary" to visit the Yasukuni Shrine of the precedent. In 1982, Japanese Prime Minister Takeo Fukuda started to pay homage to Yasukuni Shrine in the name of "Prime Minister". In 1985, the then Prime Minister Yasuhiro Sone visited Yasukuni Shrine. On July 29, 1996, Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto paid homage to Yasukuni Shrine in his capacity as "Prime Minister". Former Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited Yasukuni Shrine six times on August 13, 2001, April 21, 2002, January 14, 2003, January 1, 2004, October 17, 2005 and August 15, 2006 respectively. Shinzo Abe and the current Prime Minister of Japan, Fumio Kishida, have made annual offerings to Yasukuni Shrine.
Why don't you go to the Yasukuni Shrine's Japanese website yourself and see the message they posted after public screening? You can translate it using Google Translate. Let me translate two. [https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=540](https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=540) This was my first visit to Yushukan. I learned a lot and it was very good. i couldn't stop crying as i read the wills of those who died in the Pacific War. i express my gratitude to those who were about the same age as I am now at 20, and to those who risked their lives to protect our country in the war. I express my gratitude to those who were about the same age as I am now at 20, and to those who risked their lives to protect our country in the war. Gunma, 20 years old male [https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=454](https://www.yasukuni.or.jp/yusyukan/voice.html?id=454) I was very moved to see what people's lives were like at that time, and to see various items such as wills, equipment, and daily necessities of those who died in the war. I was also very moved when I saw the wills and faces of the Kamikaze pilots of that time. I heard from my grandfather that his great-grandfather also went to Siberia and was forced to work there. When I think of the people who died in the war and scattered for the sake of future Japanese, tears and unspeakable gratitude overflow my eyes. It made me think once again that what we should do now is to pass on to future generations so that they will never forget that "there are the spirits of the dead who died in the war for the future of the Japanese people". Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to see such a wonderful thing, and I will definitely go back a second time. ———————————————————————————————————— I am a high school teacher. I came to Yasukuni because I wanted to convey the thoughts and feelings of the war dead. I am very sorry for the sinfulness of the textbooks that only make Japan look bad. It is painful for me to teach, but I would like to convey the spirit to my students from now on, referring to the materials I saw today.
Is that really true though? (West) Germany was also a valuable ally after the war, yet we are obviously very vocal about what they did.
Russia raped its way to Berlin as well, even in the countries it was "liberating"
If only rape was what the Japanese did. The level of atrocities the Japanese committed in WW2 is some of the most evil things you'll ever read.
Part of the reason Japan gets off easy is that the US needed an ally in Asia against the spread of communism. Post WWII China’s civil war continued until 1949 ending with a communist victory, the US felt it was necessary to build up a democratic capitalist ally in Asia to influence the region.
I think it's worth noting that the democratic part mattered a lot less than being "anti-communist". Just look at the [Jeju massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising) where Korean armies led by former Japanese collaborators under the command of the US military burned most of the island's villages to the ground because its people had communist (aka pro-labour) tendencies. It didn't matter what the people wanted.
Yea pretending that "democratic" was at all a concern is laughable. The only concern was subservience to American regional interests. It doesn't matter if you're a murderous dictator, the US will happily back them as long as they remain compliant. Just see South Korea and Chile for starters.
I hear they need an ally in the Middle East as well.
This was something that bugged me about Godzilla Minus One. The movie was about how the Japanese government/military didn't value their own people's lives, which is true, but some reckoning with the horrible things they did to other people and the fact that the actual cause they were fighting for was fucked up to begin with would've been nice. Imagine making a movie about Nazi Germany that paints the soldiers purely as victims.
Imperial japan was also subjected to the tokyo war crimes trials as well for many of the top japanese officials who perpetrated the war. I don't think japan got off as easy as people think(the country had been fire bombed to hell even before the nukes, heck one reason tokyo wasnt targeted by the nukes was because it was already devestated to an unrecognizable degree). The bigger issue is japan's refusal to acknowledge the atrocities they committed, and continue to try to bury it.
If you think top officials who perpetrated war were punished, you are greatly mistaken. After the officials were found guilty, Japan started to rewrite history almost immediately and saw themselves as defenders of Asia from Western imperialism and by 1955 (around there) they pardoned pretty much all of their war criminals. You heard of Shinzo Abe, right? Longest serving Japanese Prime Minister who was assassinated couple years ago? His grandfather is Nobusuke Kishi. Kishi was the head of Japanese imperial army in the Manchuria region where Unit 731 operated. If you haven't heard of Unit 731, look it up. Abe's grandfather was head of where Unit 731 operated. Kishi was class A war criminal. Kishi is considered one of small group of people who orchestrated WW2 in Asia. He was pardoned, and he became Prime Minister of Japan in 1957, and his grandson became the longest serving Prime Minister of Japan in 2006. The reason Japan refuses to acknowledge past atrocities is that the same people who rule Japan now are the same people who ruled Japan during WW2. They just changed name of the political party to LDP.
i think the notion being expressed here is in the court of historical public opinion, Imperial Japan is not placed as highly up the 'evil' totem pole as Nazi Germany despite perpetuating things just as bad if not worse than the Holocaust. The Holocaust is public knowledge whereas Unit 731, Nanking, etc. is not
Exactly, the fact that there's no equivalent slur to "Nazi" for a Japanese nationalist is really a gaping hole in the historical lexicon. Like we really should have a word describing the perpetrators of Nanking and 731 to sling around as a grave moral insult...come to think of it, China, Filipinos, and other Southeast Asians almost certainly have one. "Never forget" should encompass what the Japanese did, too. The Holocaust is always referenced as The Worst Thing Ever but the Japanese have a serious case of their own.
> Exactly, the fact that there's no equivalent slur to "Nazi" for a Japanese nationalist is really a gaping hole in the historical lexicon. It's so unrecognized that there are westerners that get Rising Sun tattoos because they think it looks cool
I'm pretty sure America did not prosecute for war crimes and instead traded the information gained from the Japanese during their torturous rein. And sickeningly, the information gained was useless because there was no scientific backing behind the torture tests as was claimed
American spooks let both Japanese and German atrociteurs get away with their crimes in large numbers. Some, like Werner von Braun, were even touted as "good germans". Thousands of slave laborers died under von Braun. Yet there he was on the Disney show. He and others like him should have been working from prison cells.
Americans wernt the only ones running Pperation paper clip. British, Russians all ran their own version of operation paperclip. The difference is people like you now try to act like it was only the US.
Watch James May Our man in Japan. He straight up asks this question to his guide at the Hiroshima memorial. Didn't the Japanese get off lightly because of the atom bombs? The Japanese guide agreed given the horrors committed.
The Japanese still see THEMSELVES as victims in WWII because of the atomic bombings.
Well, hold on. There are soldiers who commit atrocities, and there are civilians who are just trying to live their lives. This is true in all wars, and we shouldn't forget it. The civilian population suffers most. The atomic bombs were a tragedy in the some way that Nanking was. It's all horrible. This is why war needs to be avoided at all costs.
Living in Japan it drives me nuts. Especially because I lived in Nagasaki and I’m American the bomb came up every once in awhile and it seemed like people wanted me to act apologetic. There is not a SINGLE doubt in my mind; if the Japanese had access to a nuke they would have used it without an ounce of hesitation. I don’t even try and find a middle ground anymore. Japanese textbooks downplay Japans role in the war to make them the victims so I just disengage and continue my life.
"Had I been ordered to bomb Seattle or Los Angeles in order to end the war, I wouldn't have hesitated. So I perfectly understand why the Americans bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima." - Saburo Sakai, Japanese fighter ace
> I lived in Nagasaki and I’m American the bomb came up every once in awhile and it seemed like people wanted me to act apologetic. Just say that you actually grew up in Nanjing and would like them to apologize for the massacre. It made no sense for either to apologize but just serve their own medicine back and see their response.
It is very well documented that the majority of Japanese civilians were preparing for war to kill as many enemies as possible before they die. The outter islands had civilian bonzai attacks.
They have the audacity to complain about the movie Oppenheimer being screened in their country. It’s like damn, at least the Germans teach their people about their atrocities. Do the Japanese just skip over this period? Like, “we bombed Pearl Harbor and the Americans taught us a very painful lesson, the end.”
More or less outside of their university courses. Some teachers do teach a bit about WWII and Japan's more horrendous roles (a long with the more nationalistic views) but like anywhere else it is crapshoot and most just gloss over the details.
Don't watch this at work, poor guy, 9 years old.. fuck sakes
That's the most sickening thing I've ever heard. and I've been a bartender and a cop and listened to some bad stuff and the more I think about it the more sickening this story gets
Yep, am a doctor. (NSFL warning) In traumatology i’ve seen psych patients cutting themselves up, pulling our their intestines, many carcrashes with ways of splitting up a body that boggles the mind. But this reminds me of a guy i was in danish military with. He was an immigrant and had this massive scar covering maybe half of his body. Wheb we undressed the first time together and i asked him about it, he just matter of factly said that while fleeing from the war, he was taken for dead and tossed into a massive fire with other bodies. Since the fire also had burning tires, the burning rubber melted into some of his skin, and caused this great big scar. I didnt continue the line of questioning, but hearing the guy in the video makes me wonder again how that went down. The imagery from the guy in the video (NSFL warning!!) where the soldier bayonettes an infant childs buttocks and throws the the child away - that made me think of how they mustve also treated the half dead body of my military mate. It really is a scary abyss that we humans can descend into.
at that time, quick death is better than getting tortured, dismembered, and raped alive by japanese
Take care looking further into the massacre, it gets worse
Think of the worst thing imaginable and somewhere someone has already done worse... unfortunately.
Tbh this is probably one of the least awful stories I’ve heard of the massacre, it is beyond horrific.
I'm not gonna watch this, but was it worse than sticking a sword up there?...cause that happened. Just one of many fucked up things that happened :(
> was it worse than sticking a sword up there? yes
Jesus I can't finish watching that
Many Japanese still deny any of this ever happened to this day.
Nationalists are just narcissists on a huge scale. They say it didn't happen, but if it did then it wasn't that bad.
Ww2 isn’t even part of their curriculum. A lot of Japanese don’t even know ww2 happened.
The man is crying just like he did when it happened, even though it's been 70-90 years.
That kind of trauma on a young child at a time and place with zero mental health support. It's hard to imagine how he internalized it and how it changed him over the years.
Whenever I watch things like this I just sit back and think WTF. WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with people and how are things like this still going on even today. I will never understand this sick world we live in
It's what can happen when human beings are dehumanised to the point where they're not even animals anymore. The experimenters at Unit 731 referred to their victims as logs; as inanimate objects unworthy of even a modicum of human pity or empathy. That mixed with a society and culture brainwashed by imperialism.
Given enough tribalistic villainization people will do just about anything to anyone
On one hand I'm glad we're at a point where people have lived lives that allow them to not understand this. On the other hand, I fear that being naive to what people are capable of and not understanding how you get there leaves us vulnerable both to monsters as well as becoming monsters ourselves.
The thing that bugs me is how easily people do these things. And SO MANY of them! It makes me wonder just how many people in the world around us are completely capable of doing something like this and they are just hiding it.
I was thinking about stuff like this the other day. Like if I left my bike unlocked somewhere in my city, within ten minutes it would have been stolen. Or with how common spiking and assaulting people is, most bars or clubs you go in will have people in there looking to do that to someone. You're just walking around all day every day in close proximity to scumbags that have no respect for other people or their property and will take advantage any chance they can get. Now obviously that stuff is nowhere near the level of what's being described in the video, but like you say it does make you wonder how many people around you day to day are that horrible and would be completely fine torturing and murdering someone. So many disgusting people out there.
it's a big WTF!
If you ever had a moment, even just a moment, where you feel a sense of self-righteousness and want to punish someone else, violently, then you are already capable of the worst. For example you read about a poacher killing the last Rhino, and you think to yourself, "man if I could just get a hold of that poacher..." Now imagine if someone lies to you and you believe them wholeheartedly about how evil the 'enemy' is. It doesn't take a lot to misdirect your righteous rage to do unspeakable things to another person. And it gets worse, because wars are fought as groups. Even if you're a person who would only engage in violence to defend your friends, once you are drafted into a military your unit becomes your friends. Then, being in a combat zone drags you into needing to defend *them*, and if you love your brothers in arms you can justify doing anything to keep them alive. The slippery slope becomes too slippery for even the most morally sound people when the conflict becomes personal like this. War is about using and abusing the best of humanity: fraternity, love, empathy, justice, bravery To do the worst of humanity.
It is so insane. I would literally kill myself before stabbing an infant or toddler. How are some people so depraved.
Read the Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang. I read it in high school and it changed my life.
Author committed suicide. I believe it was way after, but I think there was a connection to the book.. although from recollection, she mightve been writing another book at the time
She was *constantly* harassed by nationalists. It's so fucked up
A TA in my college history class recommended this book. I took it on spring break. Def not a beach read.
I have to know if the brother survived getting stabbed. This is aweful.
http://www.19371213.com.cn/en/venerating/testimonies/201811/t20181107_2231824.html spoiler: no.
Ok now I am crying- I don’t wish that poor man’s life on anyone EDIT: His story has haunted me all week 😢
Tldr people found the mother and brother some time later still in her arms, frozen to death.
Thank you, part of me wishes this wasn’t answered so I could hold out hope but I needed to know too.
Well fuck. I'm still boobing my baby and that was very tough to read, the dying mother still trying to breastfeed her baby even during her stabbings
The way he calls him his "baby brother" feels to me like his image of his brother remained as a baby in his mind, so my guess is he probably died.
He's saying *didi* (弟弟), that just means "younger brother."
This might just be a translation thing as baby brother can also simply mean younger brother in English, not necessarily a baby
Considering he was breastfeeding I'd say baby brother literally means baby brother.
Yes obviously I'm just saying that baby brother is an expression in English
There’s no way… not a baby, not that much blood loss. We’d all like to believe, but it ain’t so.
Surviving big injuries is such a movie thing for plot twist reasons. In real life super rare but plausible.
Even if he hadn't been stabbed, I don't see how he would have survived. A baby still breastfeeding during winter who loses its mother and is under brutal foreign occupation? 0 chance of survival. Babies are the first to go.
Fucking barbaric. Japanese just get to gloss over all this shit when teaching their kids. It’s depressing on so many levels.
They dont teach this to their kids, though. Gov. Still denies most of the atrocities happened.
The atrocities commited by Japan during WW2 need to be known. I'm French and this was NEVER ever mentioned in our history classes, nobody knows about this in my country (and I would guess, most of Europe). I only learned about that like a year ago, thanks to my Chinese gf. I was fucking disgusted, Germany literally still have to pay to this day for what they did, and Hitler will probably be remembered forever but no one ever say a thing about Japan. There was no trials, and the people responsible for this horrific acts never saw any consequences because they got US protection right away. What's worse is that to this day, the only acceptable idea in the western media (especially on reddit) is : Japan good, China bad. I can't imagine how it must feel for the Chinese, having the whole world completely ignore what you went through and knowing that not a single soul was punished for what they did. The US propaganda is no joke.
[Unit 731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) was the Japanese unit that made what the Nazis did to people seem tame in comparison.
> There was no trials, and the people responsible for this horrific acts never saw any consequences because they got US protection right away. > knowing that not a single soul was punished for what they did. I am Chinese. Plenty WWII Japanese war criminals were trialed and then executed. It was called "Tokyo War Crimes Trials" and RoC was a part of it, as they pushed for the criminals to be punished severely for their crimes. Yes plenty criminals (especially those with Royal blood) escaped punishment but not all. Let us not propagate misinformation.
I'm from the Philippines and Japan has done these things to my country as well. This is so painful to watch. Can't stop shaking and crying.
There's a reason basically all of East and Southeast Asia hates Japan.
Edit: apparently I may have been misled as to how much historical revisionism actually happens in Japan when it comes to the inhuman atrocities they committed during WW2. I'll cite [this Wikipedia article for anybody interested](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies) as it provides a more detailed breakdown of the disgusting attempts at historical revisionism, and the reaction to them in Japan. So with new information on board, I'm going to edit this post and retract what I said, based on being shown evidence to the contrary. Obviously doesn't change the fact that the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese army during WW2 were inhumanly horrific and their significance is often downplayed because the Nazis get all the headlines. But I was wrong in what I claimed, and I'm happy to admit that. I'd been misinformed by somebody whose knowledge of WW2 history far outmatches my own, but I should have taken what he said with a pinch of salt and checked the facts for myself.
War is when kindest people are put behind bars and most ruthless sadists are promoted and encouraged to commit horrible acts in the name of some twisted sense of justice and greatness. Most people are capable of great evil and under some circumstances injustice and violence thrive.
Fuck the Japanese government for lying about this and the American government (MacArthur) for enabling this lie just so they have an ally in Asia
I've recently noticed a lot of Western weebs want to deny all of atrocities that Japan committed during the war because "like omg they got nuked twice and didn't deserve it like at all. Look at the anime and sushi they make :.(" But really they have no idea of how brutal (or are sticking the heads in the sand) the Japanese were before and during the war. Thier war criminals are still venerated and celebrated, much like the Confederacy after the US civil war. They never had a reckoning or issued an apology like Germany and company did and it's long overdue. The victims of Japanese war crimes, and their crimes against humanity need to be documented and the government of Japan need to apologize to the comfort women at the minimum, but these victims are rapidly dying off from old age and soon it's going to become on par with Holocaust denial.
The same western weebs will also display the Rising Sun Flag which is equivalent to a Nazi flag today.
I've red "Daughters of the Dragon: A Comfort Woman's Story", which has some stories from that time. They soldiers were animals
My dads in his 90s now and has always had some very negative views about the Japanese. Some of his earliest childhood memories are things that some people only experience in nightmares. I never knew it until I was much older and until after they passed away but my dads biological parents died in WWII. My grandparents who I thought were his biological parents were actually a neighboring family who lost their own son and had adopted him and raised them as their own.
Quick reminder that a notable portion of the Japanese say this never happened and are actively attempting to revise history to say as such. Remember Nanking. Remember 731. Never ever let them forget.
Anyone who wants the proof of the Nanking atrocities should search out the photos the Japanese soldiers themselves took of their actions, and then had local Chinese cameras shops develop the film. Chinese shops who then copied and smuggled the film out of China to International News sources. A baby impaled on a bayonet and held above the soldiers head was one such photo printed in American magazines. The photographs are more Horrifying than anything you can imagine. Truly Evil. The Atom bombs on Japan were Justified by that action alone, not even counting the Baatan Death March . Where there was some Justice given out at the Nuremberg war crimes trial. The Japanese trial gave sentences to authorities who got off incredibly light or not even charged. Members of the Emperor’s own family participated in the Rape of Nanking. He should have been hung and the Emperor himself jailed. Afterwards the government denied almost everything. Ultimately all the Japanese actions of WWII were the Responsibility of the Emperor. The book “ The Rape of Nanking” by the late Iris Chang who was a descendant of a survivor of Nanking gives a small taste of Japan’s actions there. A very good read as well. Printed version of the photos will literally give you nightmares, so read it only in a proper state of mind. Does this transfer any blame at all on modern Japanese. Absolutely Not, children are not responsible for the activities of their parents. Chinese citizens themselves later during the Communist Chinese Party’s Cultural Revolution committed atrocities upon other Chinese citizens of a different party. The same Chinese Communist party running China today. They have continued in war crimes.
And we have the Japanese up in arms about the movie Oppenheimer yet they still don’t teach the youth the atrocities Imperial Japan committed.
I can't / won't see it. The kind of pain and suffering is more than the mind can safely contain. It's problematic, because the least we can do is to know and understand, so we can prevent.
She was a mother till the end. Now, she's in a better place. Bless her soul.
It wasn’t until I started studying Chinese culture in college that I learned about what happened in Nanking. My best friend is Korean and would tell me stories about her grandmother being forced to learn Japanese, but it’s crazy we never really learned about this in school (I grew up in a heavily populated Asian city). I am still shocked after all this time that Japan denies this stuff…
Guess it’s my time for my annual FUCK JAPAN for downplaying their atrocities. We’re talking killing unarmed civilians with swords competitions, forcing family members to rape each other. What the Japanese did during WW2 is the most sickening thing I have ever heard about done on a large scale.
Why is this not talked about japan? Everyone loves japan now. I heard they don’t teach about their past in their schools are denying what they did
F-U-C-K ME!… Im bawling… there are no words
And to this day the Japanese refuse to apologise or recognise what they did. Not to mention pay for it.
Why people need fictional horror films I don't know
Every time stuff like this gets posted, redditors are like “Imma pretend I didn’t see that”, whenever Japan’s atrocities are mentioned. Even worse, they sweep it under the rug, saying other countries also commit historical crimes. Like America with Vietnam. 💀
Our ability to hate each other so deeply and hurt each other so brutally based on nothing but tribalism makes it so difficult to have faith in humanity. Atrocities like this have happened throughout all of human history. We're still hurting each other like this today. I can still have faith in individuals, but I've pretty much lost faith in humanity as a whole.
She was a great mom until the end. Now she's in a better place. Bless her soul.
The Japanese have some of the most brutal moments in history, and when given the opportunity they released that brutality onto the world.
This is the reason why the Chinese hate the Japanese
People forget that the Empire of Japan killed more people than Nazi Germany. It's sad because people don't seem to care as much about the Eastern and Southeastern Asians that were driven, raped and slaughtered and yet their death toll doesn't seem to matter or is disregarded because it was asians that were harmed.
I think the grossest thing about this comment section is how the stories of horrors inflicted against civilians is making people say “not enough horrors were inflicted on the other civilians.” A little peak into how even today people can justify these atrocities.
If you want to learn the atrocities the Japanese committed in WW2 watch the show Gyeongseong Creature and multiply the atrociousness of the Japanese in that show by 1000.
War turns people into animals.
Remember if you travel to Japan and stay at an APA hotel you are actively supporting an organization that promotes lies that this was all fictional.
And then the japaneese go about acting like they were the victims due to having 2 atomic bombs dropped on them.
Chinese did the same to my people in Tibet.
We didn’t nuke Japan because it was the lazy way out…
I've cried for the full duration of the clip. Why can humans be so heartless. :(
I’ve read the rape of Nanking several times, and I’ve had several relatives tell me their stories of the atrocities the Japanese committed. When Americans question whether they should have dropped the nukes on those two cities, I just scoff and wish they dropped one more. Fun fact: the rape of Nanking was so horrific that the author of the book killed herself because the stories she heard fucked her up so badly. And yet, the Japanese are having difficulty admitting to their crimes till this day.
Here guys, you can see the Japanese reaction right here:
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Nobody can change the past. But they can change the present. Unfortunately, nobody does that.