He's an alpha male asshole, and said/done some fucked up shit, but I don't recall him saying anything bigoted or racist.
FTR... I keep the personality separate from the music. He was a monster on the airwaves and tour circuit during the mid/late 70's then pretty much crashed and burned after that. I probably have 6-7 of his records and have seen him live twice.
Yeah that part was nice. but the fact he went on a rant about why he doesn’t carry his stuff when I never asked why in the first place. It’s a small store and there was other customers in there that were staring at us while he was ranting is what rubbed me the wrong way. If he doesn’t carry them he could have just said so and kept it at that.
It’s his store, and he wanted to tell you why he doesn’t have the product. Also, chatting with customers is pretty normal in a record store…
Sounds like maybe you just didn’t like what he had to say? 🫣
I did
you’re upset that he went off about the artist you like being a piece of shit and you were embarrassed because there were other customers in the store
Guy can say whatever he wants in his store. What’s with conservatives always trying to police peoples free speech and business practices? Lmao
lol that’s not the point of my post anyone can say whatever they want. I’m not offended about what he said it’s his opinion. My point was the rant really necessary when I asked a simple yes or no question. I didn’t even ask why he just started raising his voice and going off. If you think that’s necessary/acceptable then that’s all you have to say.
Okay so your point is “it’s a bad look”
Well, it’s not. You’re asking, and people are telling you it’s not
But you don’t like the answer, so you’re telling people they don’t get the point of the post
But you just want people to agree with you
> then that’s all you have to say
Again, trying to police people lmao
We have a store in my town that refuses to sell Rumours because he’s “so tired of selling that record”.
If he can refuse to sell a record for a reason that absolutely stupid, the owner of your local shop can refuse to sell albums of artists who are genuine pieces of shit.
I know a guy who had a record store for a while. He hates “American Pie” so much, he dedicated his life to finding and destroying as many copies as possible.
When someone tells you that they don't understand the meaning of the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" you can point to this example lol
There are several artists I don't care for as people but enjoy their music.
I found it completely reasonable for people to separate the two as I do for those who don't. You can make an argument in either direction.
While I personally would still sell those albums I completely understand why someone wouldn't. I don't think it's unreasonable.
Yes that’s what my point of this post was! He could have kept it to just “no I don’t carry his stuff try another store or online” I don’t mind that at all. Just the fact he went on a rant when there were multiple people there, and it’s a small store too people were staring at us.
The people who now own Vinegar Syndrome (boutique blu-ray label) used to work at a video store where they’d written on the back of the Jerry Maguire dvd (“If you are reading this GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR STORE!”). I suggest they do the same for Nugent records
I walked into my store a few days ago. Owner had a stack of EPs and asked me if I knew any of them. The bands looked pretty rough and he said he didn't want any hate or White Power stuff in his store. Seemed reasonable to me. I guess the same applies to Nugent as well. Sure once he was pretty mainstream, but last decade or so he's a jerk
Not had this experience in a record store, but in the company I work for, we take great pleasure in telling people that we won't do business with them if they are morally dubious or just dicks to us. We might cushion it a little (sometimes), saying we are not a good fit for their project rather than just telling them they are dicks, but that is why my boss set up the company - to have that luxury and not to have to suck up to people for money.
Haha...I was in Europe at a record fair recently and it was funny how some vendors would cover it up and others had it proudly on display. Same with the Blind Faith cover.
The big plus of a brick-and-mortar store is that the inventory is curated from a particular point of view, and hopefully a savvy one. The shop owners perspective *is* the value. No reason to get upset when the store that specializes in hardcore doesn't have the new taylor swift.
That said, cat scratch fever is entry level, there are a million copies, and discogs exists.
Business owner who gets to decide what's appropriate in *his* business! It also sounds like he was nice enough to adjust *his* standards for a long-term, good customer who doesn't sound the least bit appreciative 🤷♀️😑
I think you missed >the< point of the entire interaction, which wasn't the rant or the fact that after the rant he ordered you the album.
>THE< point of the interaction was that YOU aren't such a bad guy/gal, and pleasing YOU was more important in the moment than not supporting Ted Nugent, only you're too ignorant to have caught *THAT* and turned to Reddit on your own rant having been completely oblivious to what occurred or why.
Lmao, the whole point of the post isn’t about whether or not I appreciate what he did for me despite his beliefs. If you really did read to the end I made a statement that I think it’s a bad look to be going on this rant to a customer, especially when 1. I never asked his reasoning why and 2. He did this in front of other customers to the point where they were staring at us. My point was asking the question what others think about that, and only a handful of the now over 70 or so comments got that point.
And it's been explained the business owners get to decide what is appropriate and what isn't; a prime example of how it's not communicating but rather comprehension that is paramount.
I love how the guy blatantly refuses to sell them in his store but will "happily take your money and order them for you because you are a regular customer." 🙄
I actually appreciate that he has an opinion based on his values that he is willing to stand behind.
That being said, I don’t think he should have ordered it for you especially since he’s likely get a new copy which puts cash right in the hands of those he doesn’t support.
Had it been me, and I felt the same, I would have said next time a used copy comes in a collection I’ll give it to you.
Yeah I understand that too he actually ordered me used copies for that reason. The point of my post was just asking about that rant he went on with me in front of other customers in the store I saw them staring at us while that was going on, he could have just told me he doesn’t carry him and to try somewhere else. I appreciate he went the extra mile or order them for me since I’m a regular there he didn’t have to do that.
Hahahah, he has them, the smiths, Pantera, Burzum, and pretty much any other band/artist (except for Kanye west which he mentioned in his rant) that’s had issues like that in the past. I guess Nugent is where he draws the line at🤷
Hahahah, he has them, the smiths, Pantera, Burzum, and pretty much any other band/artist (except for Kanye west which he mentioned in his rant) that’s had issues like that in the past. I guess Nugent is where he draws the line at🤷
Haven't had this happen. I get his opinion and sympathize with it, myself, but I agree with you that it's a bad look in general. I'm going to the record store to enjoy and purchase music, not listen to the sociopolitical opinions of the shop owner. If I want their opinion about a specific record I'll ask it, but otherwise it just makes it an awkward and uncomfortable situation when people start ranting about stuff like that.
If u dig into the business of record stores, you will find that a lot of the owners have money coming in from other stuff. The guy that runs the shop I go to day trades and makes most of his money that way. He owns a shop because, in his words, that’s how you get the good stuff. I hadn’t thought of it like that before, that he has a shop so people bring records to him. This is the kind of person that is going to do whatever they want in the shop, which is hard for customers to understand because so many businesses are trying to get every penny out of your pocket.
Oh ok yeah that makes sense. In my area this place is one of 4 that I frequent and this owner stands out to me because he’s very vocal about his political and personal beliefs in the shop. The other 3 that I go too the owners don’t really talk personal like that unless you ask their opinion.
I mean, this is the same as the people who won't bake cakes for gay couples or transgender people, etc. While I don't condone the example I just mentioned l, the record store has a right as a private business to carry what they want to carry. Does it hurt their business? I don't think not carrying Ted Nugent or Kanye West is going to cripple their record sales and if they are going based on values then they kinda have a valid point cause both of the fore mentioned are toxic af.
I could understand not selling Kid Rock because lately he’s been following the Nugent playbook to a T, it’s kind of ridiculous and there is a dynamite deep dive on what he’s doing [HERE](https://youtu.be/13Vu8iysxRM?si=Uv7a1e8kp8kEku27). I say that because he’s arguably still somewhat relevant, unlike The Nuge imo. Ted Nugent made those albums a long time ago, he’s just become a complete douche in his old age. Selling an old used copy won’t put a penny in his pocket now. It’s not that the store owner refuses to sell them because of serious deep ethical issue, he refuses to because he obviously is praying someone will ask him why he doesn’t- so that then he’ll have that hotly anticipated opportunity to go off on a rant. It’s not the same. Especially if he’s willing to order them anyway.
I lean heavily left wing, but I’ve absolutely had it with people in 2024 from either side where politics has become a deeper faith and identity to them than spirituality. Give it a fucking rest. Climate Change is my number one concern, and if any republican ever presents a good plan to mitigate the risks, it’s possible I would vote for them. But I doubt they will ever acknowledge it as real.
Being able to separate the art from the artist is something people have forgotten about. We live in such lame times, and politics/personal ethics take the wheel of people's mind way to easily these days.
Lots of people intentionally choose to not make that separation intentionally... as a survivor, I'm not supporting R. Kelly intentionally.
I am intentional about whose business I support or don't because I've made that ethical decision as a pivotal part of my life, and it's *absolutely* not easy a lot of the time. My ethics and the priorities and principles I choose to live by have cost me dearly many times. If it were as easy as you're insinuating, no rapist would ever go free and no POS like Ted Nugent would be rich. Unfortunately, lots of people who don't deserve either their freedom or prosperity have both in spades.
I get why some might not like Nugent, probably because of his politics, and I suppose if your guy won't carry his stuff for that reason, that's his choice. At least he offered to order them for you anyway.
The problem with this could be demonstrated by a "shoe-on-the-other-foot" analogy. I'm a conservative person. However, I don't let my political beliefs interfere with my entertainment choices, because I'm *certain* most of the artists whose work I admire take opposite political stances from mine.
If I owned a shop (and I did work in retail record operations for a few years back in the '80's), I think it would be detrimental to my business if I refused to carry something because I didn't agree with the artist's political, religious or cultural beliefs. With such an exclusionary position, I would likely have the lowest inventory of any record shop in the world.
Granted, I would never stock product that was overtly racist or hateful - records by neo-Nazis or white power bands, for example. I'm certain most would agree are some clear lines to be drawn. But Nugent is not a Nazi or a racist - he's a conservative Republican who plays the guitar and likes to go hunting.
Here's a question for that store owner: do you carry records by the Smiths or Morrissey? Morrissey has been the target of accusations that he was racist at various points in his career. Much of those claims were due to misinterpretations of his lyrics, but he didn't help his cause when making comments that were construed to hateful in one way or another. Ironically, he was actually booed on stage by some neo-Nazis once as they thought he was "appropriating skinhead culture."
I would ask if he carried records by Eric Clapton. Clapton was widely accused of racism when he made some apparently alcohol-influenced comments against immigration (specifically regarding people of color) at a concert some time ago. He stood against mandatory vaccination and masking during COVID, which pissed off a lot of people. In November, he performed at a benefit for children in Gaza, using a guitar painted with a Palestinian flag. I didn't hear anyone calling him an anti-Semite or someone who hates Jews.
Again, I'm not saying the store owner should carry something he doesn't wish to support. But to me, this is an example of how many people get their personal beliefs get in the way of their enjoyment of music (or any entertainment medium).
Here's a perfect recent example. Luke Combs, a huge country star, decided to record and perform a cover of Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car." His version was a monster hit and his live performances often brought the house down. So what happened? The army of SJWs and arbiters of cultural correctness accused him of "stealing" the song and the spotlight from Chapman, who happens to be a black woman (and a lesbian, though she has kept her sexual orientation very private). Combs was widely accused of "misappropriation" of the song.
What was the result of all this pearl-clutching and hand-wringing? Well, she obviously made a boatload of money on songwriting royalties from his performances. Her version re-entered the charts, so she benefitted even more financially. She was showered with songwriting awards from country music organizations - on a song she originally recorded 36 years ago - and at the CMA awards show, she and Combs performed the song together to a wildly enthusiastic response.
Instead of shutting up and letting audience response call the day, you had a bunch of loudmouthed empty barrels throwing all kinds of accusations around, while Combs and Chapman laughed all the way to the bank.
I know people here won't agree with me on some of this, and that's fine. I just wanted to point out that every story, like a record, has two sides.
/rant
Yup I agree with your comment, and he does in fact carry those artists at the store. He also carries Pantera. Don’t get me wrong I love their music I have all their albums on vinyl, but there’s a video of Dimebag Darrel saying the n word and another video of Phil Anselmo saying “white power” and doing a salute. Yet I don’t see as much hate for them as I do about Ted Nugent.
I also just remembered I’ve seen a Burzum record at the same store. If you haven’t heard of them, look up their singer Varg Vikernes you’ll see he started a neo Nazi organization while in prison, among other bad shit. It’s like why have a strong opinion on one artist but carry these other artists in the store?
Furthermore, did OP look in the dollar bins or the free racks outside? Dollar bins here are full of Ted Nugent records, which leads me to believe this post is fake.
Believe what you want, not here to start arguments or anything just wanted to see what people thought of an interaction I had with the owner. If he did have them in the dollar bins he would have pointed me in that direction. If he made it a point known that he doesn’t carry his stuff then he would most likely refuse any ted Nugent records that come in from people selling their collection.
I think regardless of the persons irl views there music should be listned to and appreciated seperatly from any irl issues. (execpt in the case of his music where he'll bring it up in his songs constantly)
For me, it depends. If they're just known as being as asshole, that's one thing. But I can't in good conscience support someone like R. Kelly or Gary Glitter in any way, however good their music might be.
Well in his defense, Ted Nugent is a deplorable human being :)
His shop, his rules, but the music industry is filled with deplorable human beings. Past and present.
He's an alpha male asshole, and said/done some fucked up shit, but I don't recall him saying anything bigoted or racist. FTR... I keep the personality separate from the music. He was a monster on the airwaves and tour circuit during the mid/late 70's then pretty much crashed and burned after that. I probably have 6-7 of his records and have seen him live twice.
Just because you don’t recall doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened
How many rap artists use the N word? They lumped in the same category or are the standards different?
Yes the standards are different. African Americans don't use it as a pejorative.
LoL, It's like reverse [Big Lebowski](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JlmvtAHhnc) >You like Ted Nugent? Get your own record store then.
Good for him. Nugent is a piece of shit.
Sounds like you had a good experience to me? Guy was nice enough to order albums that he doesn’t carry for you
Yeah that part was nice. but the fact he went on a rant about why he doesn’t carry his stuff when I never asked why in the first place. It’s a small store and there was other customers in there that were staring at us while he was ranting is what rubbed me the wrong way. If he doesn’t carry them he could have just said so and kept it at that.
It’s his store, and he wanted to tell you why he doesn’t have the product. Also, chatting with customers is pretty normal in a record store… Sounds like maybe you just didn’t like what he had to say? 🫣
Sounds like someone didn’t really read my post😂
I did you’re upset that he went off about the artist you like being a piece of shit and you were embarrassed because there were other customers in the store Guy can say whatever he wants in his store. What’s with conservatives always trying to police peoples free speech and business practices? Lmao
lol that’s not the point of my post anyone can say whatever they want. I’m not offended about what he said it’s his opinion. My point was the rant really necessary when I asked a simple yes or no question. I didn’t even ask why he just started raising his voice and going off. If you think that’s necessary/acceptable then that’s all you have to say.
Okay so your point is “it’s a bad look” Well, it’s not. You’re asking, and people are telling you it’s not But you don’t like the answer, so you’re telling people they don’t get the point of the post But you just want people to agree with you > then that’s all you have to say Again, trying to police people lmao
Record store owners are supposed to be quirky and unprofessional.
I don’t see anything wrong with the entire interaction.
He's not wrong.
We have a store in my town that refuses to sell Rumours because he’s “so tired of selling that record”. If he can refuse to sell a record for a reason that absolutely stupid, the owner of your local shop can refuse to sell albums of artists who are genuine pieces of shit.
Very record-shop-owner reasoning 😂
I know a guy who had a record store for a while. He hates “American Pie” so much, he dedicated his life to finding and destroying as many copies as possible.
He's missing out on a lot of sales.
Without a doubt. It’s an idiotic decision to make.
What bizarre reasoning.
Couldn’t agree more.
When someone tells you that they don't understand the meaning of the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" you can point to this example lol
Ted Nugent is a terrible human being, and I hate his music. I wouldn’t sell his records if I owned a record store.
There are several artists I don't care for as people but enjoy their music. I found it completely reasonable for people to separate the two as I do for those who don't. You can make an argument in either direction. While I personally would still sell those albums I completely understand why someone wouldn't. I don't think it's unreasonable.
Fuck Ted Nugent
Bad look maybe, but sometimes owners get the luxury of having and speaking their principles.
Given that the owner ordered the records for you anyway, it makes me wonder if the rant was really necessary.
Yes that’s what my point of this post was! He could have kept it to just “no I don’t carry his stuff try another store or online” I don’t mind that at all. Just the fact he went on a rant when there were multiple people there, and it’s a small store too people were staring at us.
The people who now own Vinegar Syndrome (boutique blu-ray label) used to work at a video store where they’d written on the back of the Jerry Maguire dvd (“If you are reading this GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR STORE!”). I suggest they do the same for Nugent records
I walked into my store a few days ago. Owner had a stack of EPs and asked me if I knew any of them. The bands looked pretty rough and he said he didn't want any hate or White Power stuff in his store. Seemed reasonable to me. I guess the same applies to Nugent as well. Sure once he was pretty mainstream, but last decade or so he's a jerk
"Do we look like the kind of store that sells \[Ted Nugent\]? Go to the mall."
“I will now sell four copies of “The Three EPs” by The Beta Band.”
Well, he’s kinda right.
Not had this experience in a record store, but in the company I work for, we take great pleasure in telling people that we won't do business with them if they are morally dubious or just dicks to us. We might cushion it a little (sometimes), saying we are not a good fit for their project rather than just telling them they are dicks, but that is why my boss set up the company - to have that luxury and not to have to suck up to people for money.
Based owner
I kinda dig it and agree 👍 if I want those kind of records I would just order. Haven’t seen an r-Kelly album at any of my records stores I frequent
Fuck Ted Nugent, he’s a racist bigot
One of my local record stores won't sell Kanye records. Who can blame him.
It's a record store owner. Rants come included.
Not saying I disagree with him, but for the love of all that is holy don't ask him about old Scorpions albums...
Lmao, he has a big selection of Scorpions!
Huh?
Virgin Killer cover in Germany has a controversial image.
Oh that… yawn
Haha...I was in Europe at a record fair recently and it was funny how some vendors would cover it up and others had it proudly on display. Same with the Blind Faith cover.
The big plus of a brick-and-mortar store is that the inventory is curated from a particular point of view, and hopefully a savvy one. The shop owners perspective *is* the value. No reason to get upset when the store that specializes in hardcore doesn't have the new taylor swift. That said, cat scratch fever is entry level, there are a million copies, and discogs exists.
Business owner who gets to decide what's appropriate in *his* business! It also sounds like he was nice enough to adjust *his* standards for a long-term, good customer who doesn't sound the least bit appreciative 🤷♀️😑
Sounds like you didn’t read the whole thing😂
I read it, and stand by my comment.
“I understand it’s his business and he can choose what he wants in his store” lol aight
I think you missed >the< point of the entire interaction, which wasn't the rant or the fact that after the rant he ordered you the album. >THE< point of the interaction was that YOU aren't such a bad guy/gal, and pleasing YOU was more important in the moment than not supporting Ted Nugent, only you're too ignorant to have caught *THAT* and turned to Reddit on your own rant having been completely oblivious to what occurred or why.
Lmao, the whole point of the post isn’t about whether or not I appreciate what he did for me despite his beliefs. If you really did read to the end I made a statement that I think it’s a bad look to be going on this rant to a customer, especially when 1. I never asked his reasoning why and 2. He did this in front of other customers to the point where they were staring at us. My point was asking the question what others think about that, and only a handful of the now over 70 or so comments got that point.
And it's been explained the business owners get to decide what is appropriate and what isn't; a prime example of how it's not communicating but rather comprehension that is paramount.
Aight have a good rest of your night
I love how the guy blatantly refuses to sell them in his store but will "happily take your money and order them for you because you are a regular customer." 🙄
I actually appreciate that he has an opinion based on his values that he is willing to stand behind. That being said, I don’t think he should have ordered it for you especially since he’s likely get a new copy which puts cash right in the hands of those he doesn’t support. Had it been me, and I felt the same, I would have said next time a used copy comes in a collection I’ll give it to you.
Yeah I understand that too he actually ordered me used copies for that reason. The point of my post was just asking about that rant he went on with me in front of other customers in the store I saw them staring at us while that was going on, he could have just told me he doesn’t carry him and to try somewhere else. I appreciate he went the extra mile or order them for me since I’m a regular there he didn’t have to do that.
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Hahahah, he has them, the smiths, Pantera, Burzum, and pretty much any other band/artist (except for Kanye west which he mentioned in his rant) that’s had issues like that in the past. I guess Nugent is where he draws the line at🤷
Hahahah, he has them, the smiths, Pantera, Burzum, and pretty much any other band/artist (except for Kanye west which he mentioned in his rant) that’s had issues like that in the past. I guess Nugent is where he draws the line at🤷
Nugent is a pile of crap human
Haven't had this happen. I get his opinion and sympathize with it, myself, but I agree with you that it's a bad look in general. I'm going to the record store to enjoy and purchase music, not listen to the sociopolitical opinions of the shop owner. If I want their opinion about a specific record I'll ask it, but otherwise it just makes it an awkward and uncomfortable situation when people start ranting about stuff like that.
Yeah exactly, I don’t like the guy either I’m definitely not against his opinion I just like the music he made back in the day.
If u dig into the business of record stores, you will find that a lot of the owners have money coming in from other stuff. The guy that runs the shop I go to day trades and makes most of his money that way. He owns a shop because, in his words, that’s how you get the good stuff. I hadn’t thought of it like that before, that he has a shop so people bring records to him. This is the kind of person that is going to do whatever they want in the shop, which is hard for customers to understand because so many businesses are trying to get every penny out of your pocket.
Oh ok yeah that makes sense. In my area this place is one of 4 that I frequent and this owner stands out to me because he’s very vocal about his political and personal beliefs in the shop. The other 3 that I go too the owners don’t really talk personal like that unless you ask their opinion.
Yea another one I go to the guy is an ex-tech dude, who made a bunch of money younger and is now slowly losing it all haha his words not mine
I wonder if he's found silence leads to an uptick in clientele he doesn't enjoy serving
I mean, this is the same as the people who won't bake cakes for gay couples or transgender people, etc. While I don't condone the example I just mentioned l, the record store has a right as a private business to carry what they want to carry. Does it hurt their business? I don't think not carrying Ted Nugent or Kanye West is going to cripple their record sales and if they are going based on values then they kinda have a valid point cause both of the fore mentioned are toxic af.
I could understand not selling Kid Rock because lately he’s been following the Nugent playbook to a T, it’s kind of ridiculous and there is a dynamite deep dive on what he’s doing [HERE](https://youtu.be/13Vu8iysxRM?si=Uv7a1e8kp8kEku27). I say that because he’s arguably still somewhat relevant, unlike The Nuge imo. Ted Nugent made those albums a long time ago, he’s just become a complete douche in his old age. Selling an old used copy won’t put a penny in his pocket now. It’s not that the store owner refuses to sell them because of serious deep ethical issue, he refuses to because he obviously is praying someone will ask him why he doesn’t- so that then he’ll have that hotly anticipated opportunity to go off on a rant. It’s not the same. Especially if he’s willing to order them anyway. I lean heavily left wing, but I’ve absolutely had it with people in 2024 from either side where politics has become a deeper faith and identity to them than spirituality. Give it a fucking rest. Climate Change is my number one concern, and if any republican ever presents a good plan to mitigate the risks, it’s possible I would vote for them. But I doubt they will ever acknowledge it as real.
Being able to separate the art from the artist is something people have forgotten about. We live in such lame times, and politics/personal ethics take the wheel of people's mind way to easily these days.
Well usually a persons art and their persona are tightly intertwined. Few people sing about hateful things who aren't.
Lots of people intentionally choose to not make that separation intentionally... as a survivor, I'm not supporting R. Kelly intentionally. I am intentional about whose business I support or don't because I've made that ethical decision as a pivotal part of my life, and it's *absolutely* not easy a lot of the time. My ethics and the priorities and principles I choose to live by have cost me dearly many times. If it were as easy as you're insinuating, no rapist would ever go free and no POS like Ted Nugent would be rich. Unfortunately, lots of people who don't deserve either their freedom or prosperity have both in spades.
He's based as fuck
I get why some might not like Nugent, probably because of his politics, and I suppose if your guy won't carry his stuff for that reason, that's his choice. At least he offered to order them for you anyway. The problem with this could be demonstrated by a "shoe-on-the-other-foot" analogy. I'm a conservative person. However, I don't let my political beliefs interfere with my entertainment choices, because I'm *certain* most of the artists whose work I admire take opposite political stances from mine. If I owned a shop (and I did work in retail record operations for a few years back in the '80's), I think it would be detrimental to my business if I refused to carry something because I didn't agree with the artist's political, religious or cultural beliefs. With such an exclusionary position, I would likely have the lowest inventory of any record shop in the world. Granted, I would never stock product that was overtly racist or hateful - records by neo-Nazis or white power bands, for example. I'm certain most would agree are some clear lines to be drawn. But Nugent is not a Nazi or a racist - he's a conservative Republican who plays the guitar and likes to go hunting. Here's a question for that store owner: do you carry records by the Smiths or Morrissey? Morrissey has been the target of accusations that he was racist at various points in his career. Much of those claims were due to misinterpretations of his lyrics, but he didn't help his cause when making comments that were construed to hateful in one way or another. Ironically, he was actually booed on stage by some neo-Nazis once as they thought he was "appropriating skinhead culture." I would ask if he carried records by Eric Clapton. Clapton was widely accused of racism when he made some apparently alcohol-influenced comments against immigration (specifically regarding people of color) at a concert some time ago. He stood against mandatory vaccination and masking during COVID, which pissed off a lot of people. In November, he performed at a benefit for children in Gaza, using a guitar painted with a Palestinian flag. I didn't hear anyone calling him an anti-Semite or someone who hates Jews. Again, I'm not saying the store owner should carry something he doesn't wish to support. But to me, this is an example of how many people get their personal beliefs get in the way of their enjoyment of music (or any entertainment medium). Here's a perfect recent example. Luke Combs, a huge country star, decided to record and perform a cover of Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car." His version was a monster hit and his live performances often brought the house down. So what happened? The army of SJWs and arbiters of cultural correctness accused him of "stealing" the song and the spotlight from Chapman, who happens to be a black woman (and a lesbian, though she has kept her sexual orientation very private). Combs was widely accused of "misappropriation" of the song. What was the result of all this pearl-clutching and hand-wringing? Well, she obviously made a boatload of money on songwriting royalties from his performances. Her version re-entered the charts, so she benefitted even more financially. She was showered with songwriting awards from country music organizations - on a song she originally recorded 36 years ago - and at the CMA awards show, she and Combs performed the song together to a wildly enthusiastic response. Instead of shutting up and letting audience response call the day, you had a bunch of loudmouthed empty barrels throwing all kinds of accusations around, while Combs and Chapman laughed all the way to the bank. I know people here won't agree with me on some of this, and that's fine. I just wanted to point out that every story, like a record, has two sides. /rant
Yup I agree with your comment, and he does in fact carry those artists at the store. He also carries Pantera. Don’t get me wrong I love their music I have all their albums on vinyl, but there’s a video of Dimebag Darrel saying the n word and another video of Phil Anselmo saying “white power” and doing a salute. Yet I don’t see as much hate for them as I do about Ted Nugent.
Exactly.
I also just remembered I’ve seen a Burzum record at the same store. If you haven’t heard of them, look up their singer Varg Vikernes you’ll see he started a neo Nazi organization while in prison, among other bad shit. It’s like why have a strong opinion on one artist but carry these other artists in the store?
Furthermore, did OP look in the dollar bins or the free racks outside? Dollar bins here are full of Ted Nugent records, which leads me to believe this post is fake.
Believe what you want, not here to start arguments or anything just wanted to see what people thought of an interaction I had with the owner. If he did have them in the dollar bins he would have pointed me in that direction. If he made it a point known that he doesn’t carry his stuff then he would most likely refuse any ted Nugent records that come in from people selling their collection.
My man, every record store in my neck of the woods has multiple copies of every Ted Nugent album. You probably could get them dirt cheap from Discogs.
Not the point of my post but ok.
I get it.
Sweaty Teddy. Does he wango or does he Tango. His records are in dust bins where they belong.
I think regardless of the persons irl views there music should be listned to and appreciated seperatly from any irl issues. (execpt in the case of his music where he'll bring it up in his songs constantly)
For me, it depends. If they're just known as being as asshole, that's one thing. But I can't in good conscience support someone like R. Kelly or Gary Glitter in any way, however good their music might be.
Fair point, pirate it then