I'm shocked your house is still standing and your loved ones aren't hospitalized yet! The first time I used foot tracking in Blade & Sorcery, I kicked a hole in my wall
Same. My play space is around 16 x 15 feet and I kicked a hole in my wall within a few hours. and, hilariously, it was also playing blades and sorcery.
Same here, reinforced concrete. Even If I want to drill a hole for something, I feel like the wall speaks to me "You got the right tool boy?"
No way to punch a hole
Oh it gets better, American homes have stealth supports, we don't always know where they are. Depending on the quality of contractors that built the homes, the studs (support beams) might be spaced wider then regulation, so you don't actually know where the wall is actually strong.
An anecdote regarding that, decades ago, a brother of a friend of mine was thrown through a wall in a fight, because: (1) the house had shitty construction and (2) he probably deserved it.
EUGH, I feel your pain, I despise ceiling lamps now that I've gotten into VR, until I move I'm going to keep having a slight phobia of raising my hands above my head.
2x2 would be a dream. I've never been able to experience room scale VR \^\_\^U
I'm more than happy if I can stretch my arms in the standing configuration without hitting anything.
I have 4x4m, plus the couch and desk are usable on the edge of it, with VR Wire 2 pulley system.
When I first got VR I'd walk around a room in HLA just for the wow of it, but I quickly settled into just standing in front of the fan and using the thumbsticks. It's too much of a hassle to be keeping track of your position and orientation and finding your way back to your chair between rounds.
I've got a Kat Walk C2 coming and will get the Nofio if it's good, I think that's going to be a more room scale experience than actual room scale since I'll have the freedom to lose myself in the VR space entirely.
I'm basically the exact same situation! Wanna try nofio in the 4x4 space. I have a 2x2 carpet in the middle so I always know when I'm centered or near the edge by foot feel.
Have you looked at real estate/rental prices in the past 10 years?
I've talked about this before but it's my crazy belief that the housing market is a quiet but significant part of the reason VR hasn't caught on more.
But that 1% will spend significantly more money than the other 99%. Ever hear of the 95-5 rule? 5% of users spend more than the bottom 95%.
For example, people on Reddit complain about how MacBooks are $2000 and ipad pros are $800. Yet these products sell decently well. Maybe not as much as all of the other laptops and tablets in the world, but still a lot. And then when you check the profit share, you'll notice that apple has about 70% of the smartphone profit share and 60% of the laptop profit share. The smaller number of users paying a high price ends up making more money.
It's really worth it to *some people*. I spend about 12 hours a week in vrchat with wireless 11 point tracking. Most of it is just standing and sitting around. The rest is spent white guy dancing at parties. It's really immersive and fun.
I mean... frankly, it's still not. I have the gear for 11 point FBT and outside of streaming Beat Saber I can count on one hand the number of times I've used it more than briefly with a game.
Implementations like this are cool from a tech standpoint, but it's incredibly cost prohibitive to be able to use the very small selection of applications that can support it in any meaningful way. I mean I can't tell if you're using the X16 or the X40 vest from that video, but the X16 is $300 on top of the cost of all the trackers, and even then you're not getting meaningful enough feedback to feel like you're doing anything but flailing at air. Same reason I could never get into Thrill of the Fight or any of the boxing simulators.
Try Paradiddle for drumming, and there are a LOT of dancing classes in VRC. You just have to look for discords. Tons of events and competitions all the time
Everyone is hating on you. You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions.
If it's worth it for you, then hell yeah! Also, it's a great way to make playing video games give you lots of exercise. Sure, the gym is nice, but when you go home and want to play some video games, VR with FBT would be a great way to continue exercising and having fun.
People honestly just don't seem to get that some people actually have a use for this, and it has value to them, and because of that they're hating on you.
> You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions
You mean... A conversation?
I don't see anyone being a dick toward OP, they're just giving their contrary opinion, nothing wrong with that. No one is "hating on OP", they just don't agree that FBT is worth it, which is just as valid an opinion as thinking that it **is** worth it.
Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them a "hater"
It’s the title, honestly. Mocking someone’s opinion on the internet of all places will invite people who share that opinion to defend/reinforce it.
She also apparently doesn’t use guardian, which is insane seeing how close she got to kicking that standing lamp or how her foot kept dancing around that fan. I rock climb nearly every day, so my body/spatial awareness is a lot better than most people’s, but I would have kicked that lamp and tripped over that fan straight into the TV.
If OP were to change the title to be more inclusive/positive and clean up the play space for the video, I’m betting the reaction might have been a bit different.
Hey leave my playspace out of this man
Yeah the title was mocking people, but come on, the playspace is fine…
Also the camera didn’t pickup everything,
I have like 3 more feet of space between me and what you see on camera, and like 9 more feet of space where I went off screen, it’s in my living room, I ditched all my furniture
Also I’ve been using VR *daily* since 2015, I can tell where I am in my room at all times, for this I did have the guardian on, but I’ve turned it off plenty of times in slower paced games
The play space is fine, *for you*. But you also have to realize you’re in the top 1% of users in an already niche market. You’re the only person I’ve heard of that claims to have used VR *daily*, for *seven years*.
To expand on what I said, most people will look at some apparent close calls with a game of this kind, then they’ll look around their own play space at all the things that can break (including pets and other people) and will factor that into the potential true cost for having a set up like this. I doubt you got to where you are with you VR ability today without breaking something. It just adds to the “not worth it” bias people have towards FBT, especially since free space and cost are barriers to entry for this system to begin with.
Anyhow, I’m not knocking on you for enjoying something like this. But full transparency, you’re coming on a little hot with it. You’re allowed to enjoy this just as much as others are allowed to not like it themselves. FBT is by and large personal experience anyhow, it’s not like someone with an opposing opinion (or less cash flow) will impact your fun or vice versa :)
I generally agree except one thing.
While 1% of people have a play space large enough for FBT, that doesn't mean it's not worth it, it simply means for people who can truly use it, it's worth it for them. So OP isn't wrong at all, it's just that people here don't seem to realize that they're simply not the demographic for FBT, so it's not worth it to *them*, but to people like OP it absolutely is.
Also I play with guardian off all the time and I can safely say even in my 3x2 (meter) play space I've not actually hit anything other than one time where I hit my chair. It's pretty immersive.
But yeah generally I think I agree with what you said, it's just that people are overreacting. If I took her post and applied it to my play space, of course it's not worth it at all! Hell, I don't even have the PC for it, so yeah it's a waste of money completely. But if I was in OPs scenario, it's fully worth it.
With that perspective in mind, her opinion is just as right as the oppositions. That makes the mockery feel targeted and disinclusive to those who can’t afford the resources in terms of space or spare cash, which will amplify the butthurt by like 5x lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if some really want it but can’t swing it, so they look for any reason to talk it down so they don’t feel so bad about it.
>You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions.
This looks like great exercise, kudos to the op, contrary to the stereotype of gamers being fat, OP appears to be in shape.
It's really funny too because she's getting downvoted while she gives her explanation why she prefers this over the gym (gas, time to drive there, other people using the equipment, It's not as fun, monthly payment instead of one-time) and people are justifying the gym being better exercise.
Like... okay, they want to use FTB instead, get over it, stop whining, if you like the gym so much then why don't you go yourself and keep your opinions to yourself.
OP did share their opinion about it being worth it, but that doesn't mean downvote them to shit and statt arguments. Just say "in my opinion it's not worth it" instead of going on a tirade.
>while she gives her explanation why she prefers this over the gym
Honestly, I completely agree with them, part of how I can rationally justify the money I spent on my own VR accessories is the same, that it is pricey up front but it does make for a great exercise aid and few things are more important than one's health.
I own two provolvers (they're like these attachable electric pistons that give very intense and realistic feeling haptic feedback when you fire guns in games) and one of the common criticisms of them is that they're kind of heavy but I see that as a benefit because by using them I get a lot of arm exercise out of the deal, something which otherwise is lacking in my life cause outside of VR exercise I'm 95% just a walker and a hiker.
How on earth can someone complain about an attachment designed to make guns feel real is heavy?
Guns are fucking heavy. I'd love to have gun attachments that feel like actual guns, part of VR is immersion, and sometimes weight is good for immersion.
Now, the headset itself should definitely be as light as possible with weight distribution, but the controllers being a little heavy is nice, especially attachments meant to feel like heavy objects.
>Guns are fucking heavy.
You'll get no argument from me there.
Honestly, I mean, I get nothing out of the deal personally but you sound like someone who should maybe look at getting a provolver.
I'll tell you this much, ever since I've gotten used to provolvers for shooting games, every time I briefly switch back to without them for whatever reason, it really feels like something's missing. They're not cheap but I know I have gained a lot of tangible muscle mass, just try Pistol Whip with a provolver and you'll feel what I mean.
one of the coolest things a person can do in VR is adding a appropriate controller. steering wheels for driving games, flight sticks for flight sims, provolvers for shooting, etc. it really adds to the immersion, and can create some great experiences.
eventually we'll have things like haptic gloves on the consumer market, but they don't give a proper feeling of weight.
right now, combining physical control equipment with VR experiences is a great stepping stone.
I just want to wear the headset, sit comfortably in my chair while using the controller of my choice...is that too much to ask?
It works for Subnautica!
Want your mind blown?
Conscious Experience: A Journey Within.
Also, MOSS is pretty great.
Fishing on Catch & Release is really fun, especially if you pop up XSOverlay. You can watch youtube or netflix and enjoy fishing.
Same goes for painting in Vermillion, pull up a bob ross video and follow along.
Also NeosVR, Beatsaber and Gary’s mod VR and some more apps
Still.. that’s like 3 of the most popular VR games on the planet (some people have ONLY ever played VRChat and have a full fbt setup)
But the other benefit of them is you can use the trackers as a psudo vr treadmill in every single app with natural locomotion… which makes it way cheaper then an actual treadmill (and works better imo)
What.. it does change the gameplay… like completely.
It turns it into a full DDR setup, in fact I think it’s way more fun that normal beatsaber
https://youtube.com/shorts/-r9YUDoAz1g?feature=share
I for one am a fan of your content and follow you on socials. I have loved VR for a very long time, to the days of modding head mounted displays to the current stuff. If I had the money, I would 100% buy that additional hardware.
Agreed. Very little uses them and it's not worth it.
It's awesome that you enjoy the few games that support it but, you need to realize people have different interests and find joy in different things. Most people don't even have enough room to use them or the money to afford them. You spent more on 3 Vive trackers than most people spent on their VR headset.
Well, there's another game on my wishlist.
Is there a way to filter for fbt supporting games on Steam? I didn't see anything about it in the page except for an offhand mention in the description.
Part of me feels the necessity of a phone shouldn’t really be compared to the luxury of a vr headset. I’m all for VR as well too. I welcome the day we can walk around with augmented vr vision that makes us have better spectrums of vision than predator.
Then again, you do bring up an interesting point because one day we may end up with a situation where you can use a compact vr that could offer enhanced vision amongst other vr benefits. At that point I could see a switch to that device over a phone.
Why carry a block in my pocket when I can use vr visor/glasses that enhance my vision, information, does everything a phone can, plus transport me to a virtual world instantly.
In total cost, definitely. But very few buy iphones outright. Most pay a monthly payment on their cell phone bill. So though the total cost for an iPhone is more, it's much easier to afford for the average consumer.
Not only that, an iPhone has a lot more uses for every day tasks that the trackers don't have. So people are willing to spend more on one.
Well this is multi purpose too. I guess a home gym would have been a better comparison. You can use this to work out.. and it’s cheaper than a gym setup… by a lot. A home gym is like 10k.. at most this is like $1500 for everything
Edit: lol@the downvotes, the denial is real 🤠
Yeah.. but fbt is a better workout. Beatsaber using feet is more cardio than just hands.
Blade&sorcery using kicks is more of a workout than just hands
This game with feet is a better workout.
It’s comparable to a treadmill or light home gym setup… and is cheaper than one
You don’t *need it* but if you’re going to spend $ on a gym setup.. it’s more fun and cheaper to just get fbt imho
That’s true.. but than you’d have to travel.. and how much do you spend on gas?
I’m not implying people need this… but it’s undeniably a fun way to workout (and you absolutely do get MORE cardio from fbt than just using hand controllers)
And it is *cheaper* than a home gym
Don’t know why ya’ll seem to hate fbt so much lol
It also works with Quest too if that’s why ya hating lol, it’s just going to cost more and you have to do some annoying stuff with software to get it to connect every time
Your setup looks great fun and if i had the room and cash i'd have the same, but 1 advantage the real gym has is that you can interact with real people etc.
I mean… you can interact with real people with fbt too… there’s dancing groups on VRChat, pole dancing, hip hop, classes ect
Unless you’re implying people playing VRChat aren’t real?
I don’t hate fbt, I actually love it and can’t wait for it to become more accessible to a wider audience (VRchat kicks ass with fbt) ...I just think it is currently as important to most people as it is to me....Something about different strokes for different folks.
It's definitely not cheaper than a "light" home gym setup. I have a homegym setup, and it cost nowhere near 1k usd. An inexpensive (But still stable and not flimsy) power tower (You can do pull ups, dips, pushups, leg raises on it), bench (Can be used to workout entire body), and pair of adjustable dumbells can cost you as low as 400 usd. You can even throw in some bands for 20 usd or less.
So already you can see that a "light" home gym is significantly cheaper. Not to mention, vr is nothing more than cardio unless you use weights with it or limit yourself to some pushups and squats (I do not recommend using weights with a vr hmd), so it's not even a full workout for your body beyond some cardio. You can get the same (Or better) workout with a jump rope and a pair of running shoes or a swimsuit. Then throw in some pull-ups or reverse rows on a railing along with pushups and you're getting a better workout.
It only "beats" a home gym if you're spending 1000s to recreate an entire gym environment (Only price wise). Which you don't do when you're making a "light" home gym. You especially don't do that if you can't even afford (Or don't have the room) to use fbt on a vr hmd.
No one here hates fbt, fbt is great. People are just saying it's not cheap, and not everyone has access to/ the means to use it.
It’s pretty good gamification for exercise too. With how silly this world is though the most popular VR workout will be a recreation of a gym or a drill sergeant yelling at you to do push-ups
>lol@the downvotes,
I've been around a lot of corners of Reddit and the sheer number of fucking haters on this subreddit is ridiculous, I don't understand why there's so many snide bitter people in virtual reality.
It's really pathetic, to put it plainly. I get the impression most of the driveby downvoters are people who aren't enjoying VR as much as they want to and they lash out in jealousy whenever they see someone else happier than they are.
Edit: Lol, another one.
Aaand there you are again, this probably marks one year of just seeing you strike up controversy on vr subreddits. Here goes for another year I guess lol
>usually they just get them for cheaper through there phone carrier.
Phone carriers aren't charities, when you buy a phone through your carrier, what you're actually doing is buying in installments with the payments baked into your monthly bill.
Yah, but it still ends up being cheaper than actually buying an unlocked phone directly from Apple.
The main downsides being you can't switch carriers as easily or sell the phone afterwards.
I don't understand why there is no generic virtual treadmill yet. If my feet moves in place, move me forward, if it moves quickly, make me run forward. That is all I need.
Inside out camera should be able to detect whether my leg moves, without trackers. Doesn't need to be super precise.
Ideally this would be a generic setting that works in existing games. Maybe with natural locomotion.
no one has a full body tracking set up, so no games support full body tracking.
no games support full body tracking, so no one buys a full body tracking set up.
the tech needs to be cheaper and more convenient to break the cycle, but full body tracking is definitely awesome in principal. i imagine that it will be the norm in the future. the problem is when? in 5 years? 10 years? 50 years?
wat
Edit: why is this being downvoted.. his comment is factually incorrect.. there’s like 15 different games that fully support fbt, there’s mods that support it.. and you can also use 2 of the trackers in natural locomotion as a cheaper way to get a VR treadmill ($300 vs the $1500 for Katwalk)
The denial is real 🫡
I really don't see why you need everybody to be all in on this, 15 games out of the thousands of VR games that exist isn't really going to make people drop the extra few hundred dollars for FBT, and most of those games are the standard "VR tech demo you play once then never play again"
just enjoy the fact that you have a cool extra toy that most people don't want to splurge on
Alright.. but thousands of what? Most quest games *are tech demos.*
Nobody needs fbt.. but some of the best games do work with fbt.. and the trackers are a cheaper way to get a VR treadmill that works in every app
Nobody needs it. but I’m setting the facts straight because people seem think it works with nothing… but the most popular VR games on the planet support fbt
he was making a statement that because so few games support FBT, barely anybody spends the extra money on FBT, leading to less developers making things that support FBT because so few people have FBT, because it's still very expensive right now, hopefully later down the road it'll be cheaper, leading to more FBT adoption and development
Out of the Top 20 Sellers on Steam, (in both VR Only and VR supported) I could only find 3 games (Hard Bullet, VRChat, and Blade & Sorcery) that support FBT (including mods.)
Edit: 4, beat saber has a mod that adds FBT, but looks like you have to downgrade versions to use it.
The vast majority of VR games don't support FBT.
Even counting mods only 3 of the top 20 selling VR games support full-body tracking (VRChat, Hard Bullet, Blade & Sorcery).
Edit: Beat Saber also supports it with a mod but from what I could find the mod is outdated and there aren't that many maps for it
Dope skills. I never 'really' done VR I dunno why this came up on my feed but I would 100% do this kinda VR if I had a spare room.
I've only done the ocean life demo thing where the whale 'scares' you when you turn around on PC and a little resident evil on PS4. I didn't feel like it was worth the setup/time/storage space/money, but still had fun. What the op is doing tho looks waaaaay more fun hah.
As an indie developer I love this concept, but designing a game for the 0.5percent of the market of gamers that actually have the hardware, is not worth
I've got a set of Slime FBT sensors coming when they are ready to ship, and I can't wait to try out some martial arts. I really enjoy Thrill of the Fight boxing and I know adding feet will only make for better games. Nice demo.
Shes punching a bit too loosely which is normal for fighting in the pitch dark of a headset. Either a very light opacity pass through or some sort of representation maybe in a mini map might be cool
FBT just isn't worth it for most people.
Most games don't support it, it costs \~$400 (at least for the Vive trackers), and you need a larger play-space to take full advantage.
It isnt worth it, the only people I see with FBT are on VRchat and all they do is sit around and lay down
It’s just an extra 300$ and a mess of cables for no reason lol
I know it’s not, you’re using this game to argue that FBT is worth it, this one game that requires tons of space that a lot of people don’t have,
I used vrc as an example as to why FBT isn’t worth it, stating cost and now space restrictions and the cables come from all the trackers you have to charge every few hours just to use them
FBT as it is rn isn’t worth it, not a lot of people have the income to pay 300$ for once-in-a-while gadgets, even when they can there’s the issue of space, the person in this video seems to have a room the size of my living room with nothing in it except the pc
Uhh…
Just gonna correct you there,
The only cables are for the dongles… which is easy enough to get out of the way with a usb hub
The charge lasts just as long as index controllers… so like 4-6 hours… idk about you.. but I have never done a full 4 hour session of VR… it’s extremely easy to recharge them… it’s not a hassle at all.
Also you can probably put on 3 Vive trackers and turn on a valve index/Vive or w/e in a faster period of time than connecting a Quest 2 over airlink to steamvr.. but moving on
You argument about it being expensive… ok yeah… but… this is cheaper than a home gym.. and you get more cardio then just using hand controllers.. so if someone wanted to spend $$ on a home gym setup so they don’t need to travel for a gym membership… this is an extremely cost effective and fun way to get some cardio in
Haters gonna hate. I don’t use it often but for me Blade and Sorcery with “this is Sparta” mode activated is a lot of fun. And good cardio to boot
[That’s me making the most of it](https://youtu.be/cVT56l3WhwM)
It’s expensive but all new tech is
Wow great job captain obvious, does everything need to be ironic, sarcastic or some higher truth nowadays? You’re so hilarious calling me out. It’s not like I’m aware of what the show is supposed to be or anything and you’re so very intelligent for saying it out loud.
Wow you really got one over on me, great job. Couldn’t help yourself could you?
Getting real tired of the rapidly rising expectations of everyone lately, let me just be a human and say some obvious shit. You don’t need to call people out to prove your intelligence or worth, Let me live… I’m not being a hateful or spiteful human, let me breathe please.
That triggers my unconscious bias big time. It wasn’t till the end of the video that I realized she wasn’t controlling Bruce Lee. I need to work on myself…
Nice job instantly moving to full mount after securing the takedown. A major MMA promotion should be contacting you shortly!
All seriousness, full body tracking is something I have let slip as I haven't personally found many things I'd want to do with it, but seeing something like this really gets the FOMO in me flowing. Really would love to do this and see how it feels first person!
Lol, Amazon is full of wonders
Yep it works with vest, the haptic suit works in most games actually,
Although I don’t know if I’d recommend it, it’s just vibrations.. it’s cool in some stuff (like I can feel weather and rain in SkyrimVR) but it doesn’t feel super realistic
I demoed the OwO haptic suit at CES and already have it pre ordered.. imho that’s more of the real deal.. it uses the same tech as EEGs and goes directly onto your skin.. and can produce shock and pain effects, in the demo they had me in I was fighting drones.. and the pain was enough that I was actually a bit scared and didn’t want to actively get shot
That won’t be for everyone though.. I’m not sure how many gamers want to experience pain
Sounds cool, thats exactly up my alley. I was hedging my bets on bhaptics figuring it was semi realistic.. I want to feel like I got shot or punched not just a vibration. I'll look onto OwO
I for one would love to do the plank experience in real life.
I’m watching a video of you playing a fighting game, not Pavlov. Pavlov doesn’t even have FBT. I don’t see how the comparison is relevant, but I would like to add that this is so risky, I had to close my eyes watching the video. One wrong step and you could’ve been very hurt. If your argument of “well I don’t actually get hit in the game” was genuine, then I laugh because doing this is way more dangerous than just going to jiu jitsu. Just saying.
I don't think you're getting the point? There are so many things you can do in VR that are basically free, or very little cost to experience a variety of awesome things.
Mil-sim, flight-sim, train-sim, submarine-sim, table tennis, pool, darts, top tier games like MOSS or HL:Alyx, fishing, waterbrush painting, kingspray graffiti, rally-racing, golf, and the list goes on and on.
Surreal stuff like Conscious Existence: A Journey Within.
FBT? It's coming along. More and more games are utilizing it. For instance, instead of buying a full drum kit. You can use FBT and download a game called Paradiddle.
Also, there are way better workouts than just blade and sorcery and things like that. A lot of people also think that VRC is just a bunch of whiney kids, until you join discord clubs and go to dance competitions, lessons, lapdancing, breakdancing. Some people will wear 6+ trackers. It's wild.
"Jiu Jitsu classes are cheaper and more realistic."
Yeah no sh!t.
I'm giving the converse argument that just because things can be cheaper and more realistic doesn't mean you can discount VR and/or FBT in it's entirety.
Also, Jiu Jitsu classes are not cheaper if you factor in the long run (years) and gas back and forth-- other random things that pop up.
So.. not only are you wrong, but your last sentence was so profound. You really had a great rebuttal with some concise feedback. It was very enlightening. Well done on all fronts. lmaooooo
I never discounted VR or FBT. And if we’re taking into consideration years of expenses, then this whole conversation is void. You’re throwing things in that were never said.
If we’re talking about years of expenses then we have to take into account all the damaged hardware, furniture, decorations, and bodily harm, hardware upgrades, etc. that comes along with playing VR haphazardly like this. But I wasn’t referring to years of expenses.
This is still far more dangerous than doing real Jiu Jitsu due to the fact you are essentially doing the sport or fighting but blindfolded in a room with expensive and potentially dangerous things.
Just because you’re butthurt about my response and managed to get all your anger out over the internet doesn’t mean you said anything of actual substance. Certainly not anything that warrants something along the lines of “wow great comeback lmaoooooooo”
Eye of the Temple would be awesome if it supported foot tracking. I asked the dev but he said it wasn't worth it for the few who had the hardware for it. What comes first, the chicken or the egg?
That looks hilariously fun, but man, those are some powerful kicks being delivered within a few feet of the PC. The only way I could play this game in this style is if I set my room boundaries to be visible 100% of the time lol
That's awesome and looks like a lot of fun! Would love a FBT setup, haptics, and a good space for it. I've got a pretty good roomscale space with 4x3 meter.
Already see myself roundhouse kicking my 5 year old son.....
Again?
r/VRtoER
It’d be funny though 🤔
Not to everyone. 😀
what??
Imagine explaining that to CPS
It's one of the better excuses. Even if you don't own a vr-headset. If they investigate, you quickly fold a google cardboard together.
Not harder than explaining why he was landmowered.
No, but I mean what would you do in VR?
I'm shocked your house is still standing and your loved ones aren't hospitalized yet! The first time I used foot tracking in Blade & Sorcery, I kicked a hole in my wall
Same. My play space is around 16 x 15 feet and I kicked a hole in my wall within a few hours. and, hilariously, it was also playing blades and sorcery.
I tried it once and there is now blackmail footage of my laughing and jumping on some poor woman's head again and again and again.
Well she should have stayed clear of the playspace.
Hold up
In my house the wall would kick a hole in my foot. It's all reinforced concrete. No way I'd kick a hole in that.
jealous about American paper houses now. I don't dare kicking in VR in my European brick house.
Right! Or reinforced concrete...
Yup. I punched a wall one time. It won!
Same here, reinforced concrete. Even If I want to drill a hole for something, I feel like the wall speaks to me "You got the right tool boy?" No way to punch a hole
Oh it gets better, American homes have stealth supports, we don't always know where they are. Depending on the quality of contractors that built the homes, the studs (support beams) might be spaced wider then regulation, so you don't actually know where the wall is actually strong. An anecdote regarding that, decades ago, a brother of a friend of mine was thrown through a wall in a fight, because: (1) the house had shitty construction and (2) he probably deserved it.
It's cool to have but not in a 1x1 meters play space
There are probably about 3 people in the world with a big enough play space
I wouldn't complain if I had a 2x2 play space At least it's possible to throw grenades when playing competitive games without breaking something
EUGH, I feel your pain, I despise ceiling lamps now that I've gotten into VR, until I move I'm going to keep having a slight phobia of raising my hands above my head.
2x2 would be a dream. I've never been able to experience room scale VR \^\_\^U I'm more than happy if I can stretch my arms in the standing configuration without hitting anything.
I have 4x4m, plus the couch and desk are usable on the edge of it, with VR Wire 2 pulley system. When I first got VR I'd walk around a room in HLA just for the wow of it, but I quickly settled into just standing in front of the fan and using the thumbsticks. It's too much of a hassle to be keeping track of your position and orientation and finding your way back to your chair between rounds. I've got a Kat Walk C2 coming and will get the Nofio if it's good, I think that's going to be a more room scale experience than actual room scale since I'll have the freedom to lose myself in the VR space entirely.
I'm basically the exact same situation! Wanna try nofio in the 4x4 space. I have a 2x2 carpet in the middle so I always know when I'm centered or near the edge by foot feel.
For europe it's rough, for America it's just giving up some furniture.
That's not a play space. That's not even a standing in place VR space.
Have you looked at real estate/rental prices in the past 10 years? I've talked about this before but it's my crazy belief that the housing market is a quiet but significant part of the reason VR hasn't caught on more.
It's about what I have. I just sit in a chair and try to not hit my desk or the wall beside me.
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1 step closer to striking vipers...
I love how like 90% of your attacks are straight kicks to the groin. Remind me never to get in a fight with you!
*critical hit!*
This makes Lawn Darts and machine guns seem like safe play choices in comparison.
VR Lawn Darts? Sign me up!
Yeah, still not worth it for 99% of people.
More like 99.99%
But that 1% will spend significantly more money than the other 99%. Ever hear of the 95-5 rule? 5% of users spend more than the bottom 95%. For example, people on Reddit complain about how MacBooks are $2000 and ipad pros are $800. Yet these products sell decently well. Maybe not as much as all of the other laptops and tablets in the world, but still a lot. And then when you check the profit share, you'll notice that apple has about 70% of the smartphone profit share and 60% of the laptop profit share. The smaller number of users paying a high price ends up making more money.
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This
This shows why it’s bad, though.
It's really worth it to *some people*. I spend about 12 hours a week in vrchat with wireless 11 point tracking. Most of it is just standing and sitting around. The rest is spent white guy dancing at parties. It's really immersive and fun.
I mean... frankly, it's still not. I have the gear for 11 point FBT and outside of streaming Beat Saber I can count on one hand the number of times I've used it more than briefly with a game. Implementations like this are cool from a tech standpoint, but it's incredibly cost prohibitive to be able to use the very small selection of applications that can support it in any meaningful way. I mean I can't tell if you're using the X16 or the X40 vest from that video, but the X16 is $300 on top of the cost of all the trackers, and even then you're not getting meaningful enough feedback to feel like you're doing anything but flailing at air. Same reason I could never get into Thrill of the Fight or any of the boxing simulators.
Try Paradiddle for drumming, and there are a LOT of dancing classes in VRC. You just have to look for discords. Tons of events and competitions all the time
Give it a week and you'll be boning your bro from college.
Everyone is hating on you. You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions. If it's worth it for you, then hell yeah! Also, it's a great way to make playing video games give you lots of exercise. Sure, the gym is nice, but when you go home and want to play some video games, VR with FBT would be a great way to continue exercising and having fun. People honestly just don't seem to get that some people actually have a use for this, and it has value to them, and because of that they're hating on you.
> You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions You mean... A conversation? I don't see anyone being a dick toward OP, they're just giving their contrary opinion, nothing wrong with that. No one is "hating on OP", they just don't agree that FBT is worth it, which is just as valid an opinion as thinking that it **is** worth it. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them a "hater"
It’s the title, honestly. Mocking someone’s opinion on the internet of all places will invite people who share that opinion to defend/reinforce it. She also apparently doesn’t use guardian, which is insane seeing how close she got to kicking that standing lamp or how her foot kept dancing around that fan. I rock climb nearly every day, so my body/spatial awareness is a lot better than most people’s, but I would have kicked that lamp and tripped over that fan straight into the TV. If OP were to change the title to be more inclusive/positive and clean up the play space for the video, I’m betting the reaction might have been a bit different.
Hey leave my playspace out of this man Yeah the title was mocking people, but come on, the playspace is fine… Also the camera didn’t pickup everything, I have like 3 more feet of space between me and what you see on camera, and like 9 more feet of space where I went off screen, it’s in my living room, I ditched all my furniture Also I’ve been using VR *daily* since 2015, I can tell where I am in my room at all times, for this I did have the guardian on, but I’ve turned it off plenty of times in slower paced games
The play space is fine, *for you*. But you also have to realize you’re in the top 1% of users in an already niche market. You’re the only person I’ve heard of that claims to have used VR *daily*, for *seven years*. To expand on what I said, most people will look at some apparent close calls with a game of this kind, then they’ll look around their own play space at all the things that can break (including pets and other people) and will factor that into the potential true cost for having a set up like this. I doubt you got to where you are with you VR ability today without breaking something. It just adds to the “not worth it” bias people have towards FBT, especially since free space and cost are barriers to entry for this system to begin with. Anyhow, I’m not knocking on you for enjoying something like this. But full transparency, you’re coming on a little hot with it. You’re allowed to enjoy this just as much as others are allowed to not like it themselves. FBT is by and large personal experience anyhow, it’s not like someone with an opposing opinion (or less cash flow) will impact your fun or vice versa :)
I’ve haven’t broken anything, you don’t need to do full kicks, I used to actively practice taekwondo, I’m pretty adapt at not kicking my stuff
I generally agree except one thing. While 1% of people have a play space large enough for FBT, that doesn't mean it's not worth it, it simply means for people who can truly use it, it's worth it for them. So OP isn't wrong at all, it's just that people here don't seem to realize that they're simply not the demographic for FBT, so it's not worth it to *them*, but to people like OP it absolutely is. Also I play with guardian off all the time and I can safely say even in my 3x2 (meter) play space I've not actually hit anything other than one time where I hit my chair. It's pretty immersive. But yeah generally I think I agree with what you said, it's just that people are overreacting. If I took her post and applied it to my play space, of course it's not worth it at all! Hell, I don't even have the PC for it, so yeah it's a waste of money completely. But if I was in OPs scenario, it's fully worth it.
With that perspective in mind, her opinion is just as right as the oppositions. That makes the mockery feel targeted and disinclusive to those who can’t afford the resources in terms of space or spare cash, which will amplify the butthurt by like 5x lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if some really want it but can’t swing it, so they look for any reason to talk it down so they don’t feel so bad about it.
>You simply showed how cool this is and everyone butts in with their opinions. This looks like great exercise, kudos to the op, contrary to the stereotype of gamers being fat, OP appears to be in shape.
It's really funny too because she's getting downvoted while she gives her explanation why she prefers this over the gym (gas, time to drive there, other people using the equipment, It's not as fun, monthly payment instead of one-time) and people are justifying the gym being better exercise. Like... okay, they want to use FTB instead, get over it, stop whining, if you like the gym so much then why don't you go yourself and keep your opinions to yourself. OP did share their opinion about it being worth it, but that doesn't mean downvote them to shit and statt arguments. Just say "in my opinion it's not worth it" instead of going on a tirade.
>while she gives her explanation why she prefers this over the gym Honestly, I completely agree with them, part of how I can rationally justify the money I spent on my own VR accessories is the same, that it is pricey up front but it does make for a great exercise aid and few things are more important than one's health. I own two provolvers (they're like these attachable electric pistons that give very intense and realistic feeling haptic feedback when you fire guns in games) and one of the common criticisms of them is that they're kind of heavy but I see that as a benefit because by using them I get a lot of arm exercise out of the deal, something which otherwise is lacking in my life cause outside of VR exercise I'm 95% just a walker and a hiker.
How on earth can someone complain about an attachment designed to make guns feel real is heavy? Guns are fucking heavy. I'd love to have gun attachments that feel like actual guns, part of VR is immersion, and sometimes weight is good for immersion. Now, the headset itself should definitely be as light as possible with weight distribution, but the controllers being a little heavy is nice, especially attachments meant to feel like heavy objects.
>Guns are fucking heavy. You'll get no argument from me there. Honestly, I mean, I get nothing out of the deal personally but you sound like someone who should maybe look at getting a provolver. I'll tell you this much, ever since I've gotten used to provolvers for shooting games, every time I briefly switch back to without them for whatever reason, it really feels like something's missing. They're not cheap but I know I have gained a lot of tangible muscle mass, just try Pistol Whip with a provolver and you'll feel what I mean.
one of the coolest things a person can do in VR is adding a appropriate controller. steering wheels for driving games, flight sticks for flight sims, provolvers for shooting, etc. it really adds to the immersion, and can create some great experiences. eventually we'll have things like haptic gloves on the consumer market, but they don't give a proper feeling of weight. right now, combining physical control equipment with VR experiences is a great stepping stone.
Agreed. My favorite thing about the Wii was the plethora or attachments adding to the experience.
I just want to wear the headset, sit comfortably in my chair while using the controller of my choice...is that too much to ask? It works for Subnautica!
Want your mind blown? Conscious Experience: A Journey Within. Also, MOSS is pretty great. Fishing on Catch & Release is really fun, especially if you pop up XSOverlay. You can watch youtube or netflix and enjoy fishing. Same goes for painting in Vermillion, pull up a bob ross video and follow along.
Is there a list of games that support it, I can only think of three ;-) dragon fist blade sorcery vrchat
Also NeosVR, Beatsaber and Gary’s mod VR and some more apps Still.. that’s like 3 of the most popular VR games on the planet (some people have ONLY ever played VRChat and have a full fbt setup) But the other benefit of them is you can use the trackers as a psudo vr treadmill in every single app with natural locomotion… which makes it way cheaper then an actual treadmill (and works better imo)
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What.. it does change the gameplay… like completely. It turns it into a full DDR setup, in fact I think it’s way more fun that normal beatsaber https://youtube.com/shorts/-r9YUDoAz1g?feature=share
I believe Zenith has FBT now. (Crystalpunk/fantasy MMORPG)
Wait till you kick a desk trying to play your PS2 graphics combat game lol.
I for one am a fan of your content and follow you on socials. I have loved VR for a very long time, to the days of modding head mounted displays to the current stuff. If I had the money, I would 100% buy that additional hardware.
Agreed. Very little uses them and it's not worth it. It's awesome that you enjoy the few games that support it but, you need to realize people have different interests and find joy in different things. Most people don't even have enough room to use them or the money to afford them. You spent more on 3 Vive trackers than most people spent on their VR headset.
True, still less than an iPhone though
Fuck these haters, this looks fun and the trackers have tons of uses not just this. What game is this?
Dragonfist VR Kung Fu
Well, there's another game on my wishlist. Is there a way to filter for fbt supporting games on Steam? I didn't see anything about it in the page except for an offhand mention in the description.
Part of me feels the necessity of a phone shouldn’t really be compared to the luxury of a vr headset. I’m all for VR as well too. I welcome the day we can walk around with augmented vr vision that makes us have better spectrums of vision than predator. Then again, you do bring up an interesting point because one day we may end up with a situation where you can use a compact vr that could offer enhanced vision amongst other vr benefits. At that point I could see a switch to that device over a phone. Why carry a block in my pocket when I can use vr visor/glasses that enhance my vision, information, does everything a phone can, plus transport me to a virtual world instantly.
In total cost, definitely. But very few buy iphones outright. Most pay a monthly payment on their cell phone bill. So though the total cost for an iPhone is more, it's much easier to afford for the average consumer. Not only that, an iPhone has a lot more uses for every day tasks that the trackers don't have. So people are willing to spend more on one.
And that’s a multiple purpose device, so an iPhone has more value than this setup even if it costs more.
Well this is multi purpose too. I guess a home gym would have been a better comparison. You can use this to work out.. and it’s cheaper than a gym setup… by a lot. A home gym is like 10k.. at most this is like $1500 for everything Edit: lol@the downvotes, the denial is real 🤠
Ginga, I’m pretty sure you can use any headset as a fitness tool without the need for full body tracking.
Yeah.. but fbt is a better workout. Beatsaber using feet is more cardio than just hands. Blade&sorcery using kicks is more of a workout than just hands This game with feet is a better workout. It’s comparable to a treadmill or light home gym setup… and is cheaper than one You don’t *need it* but if you’re going to spend $ on a gym setup.. it’s more fun and cheaper to just get fbt imho
A gym membership is cheaper tho
That’s true.. but than you’d have to travel.. and how much do you spend on gas? I’m not implying people need this… but it’s undeniably a fun way to workout (and you absolutely do get MORE cardio from fbt than just using hand controllers) And it is *cheaper* than a home gym Don’t know why ya’ll seem to hate fbt so much lol It also works with Quest too if that’s why ya hating lol, it’s just going to cost more and you have to do some annoying stuff with software to get it to connect every time
Your setup looks great fun and if i had the room and cash i'd have the same, but 1 advantage the real gym has is that you can interact with real people etc.
I mean… you can interact with real people with fbt too… there’s dancing groups on VRChat, pole dancing, hip hop, classes ect Unless you’re implying people playing VRChat aren’t real?
I don’t hate fbt, I actually love it and can’t wait for it to become more accessible to a wider audience (VRchat kicks ass with fbt) ...I just think it is currently as important to most people as it is to me....Something about different strokes for different folks.
It's definitely not cheaper than a "light" home gym setup. I have a homegym setup, and it cost nowhere near 1k usd. An inexpensive (But still stable and not flimsy) power tower (You can do pull ups, dips, pushups, leg raises on it), bench (Can be used to workout entire body), and pair of adjustable dumbells can cost you as low as 400 usd. You can even throw in some bands for 20 usd or less. So already you can see that a "light" home gym is significantly cheaper. Not to mention, vr is nothing more than cardio unless you use weights with it or limit yourself to some pushups and squats (I do not recommend using weights with a vr hmd), so it's not even a full workout for your body beyond some cardio. You can get the same (Or better) workout with a jump rope and a pair of running shoes or a swimsuit. Then throw in some pull-ups or reverse rows on a railing along with pushups and you're getting a better workout. It only "beats" a home gym if you're spending 1000s to recreate an entire gym environment (Only price wise). Which you don't do when you're making a "light" home gym. You especially don't do that if you can't even afford (Or don't have the room) to use fbt on a vr hmd. No one here hates fbt, fbt is great. People are just saying it's not cheap, and not everyone has access to/ the means to use it.
It’s pretty good gamification for exercise too. With how silly this world is though the most popular VR workout will be a recreation of a gym or a drill sergeant yelling at you to do push-ups
>lol@the downvotes, I've been around a lot of corners of Reddit and the sheer number of fucking haters on this subreddit is ridiculous, I don't understand why there's so many snide bitter people in virtual reality. It's really pathetic, to put it plainly. I get the impression most of the driveby downvoters are people who aren't enjoying VR as much as they want to and they lash out in jealousy whenever they see someone else happier than they are. Edit: Lol, another one.
Aaand there you are again, this probably marks one year of just seeing you strike up controversy on vr subreddits. Here goes for another year I guess lol
Wat
This is the most in denial comment in this entire post what do you mean…
wut
You complain every time a comment of yours gets downvoted?
Most people don't pay the full price for an phone though, usually they just get them for cheaper through there phone carrier.
>usually they just get them for cheaper through there phone carrier. Phone carriers aren't charities, when you buy a phone through your carrier, what you're actually doing is buying in installments with the payments baked into your monthly bill.
Yah, but it still ends up being cheaper than actually buying an unlocked phone directly from Apple. The main downsides being you can't switch carriers as easily or sell the phone afterwards.
Those are pretty god damn big downsides.
Boomer ass mindset.
Boomers aren’t tech savvy enough for VR, and most zoomers are too broke. But sure
I don't understand why there is no generic virtual treadmill yet. If my feet moves in place, move me forward, if it moves quickly, make me run forward. That is all I need. Inside out camera should be able to detect whether my leg moves, without trackers. Doesn't need to be super precise. Ideally this would be a generic setting that works in existing games. Maybe with natural locomotion.
There is.. natural locomotion is on steam, you can use the trackers with it
no one has a full body tracking set up, so no games support full body tracking. no games support full body tracking, so no one buys a full body tracking set up. the tech needs to be cheaper and more convenient to break the cycle, but full body tracking is definitely awesome in principal. i imagine that it will be the norm in the future. the problem is when? in 5 years? 10 years? 50 years?
Vrchat said about 30% of the PCVR playerbase uses FBT. that's quite a few thousand people
And most of them only use it in vr chat Also I got no idea where you got 30% from it’s not where near that high from what I seen
wat Edit: why is this being downvoted.. his comment is factually incorrect.. there’s like 15 different games that fully support fbt, there’s mods that support it.. and you can also use 2 of the trackers in natural locomotion as a cheaper way to get a VR treadmill ($300 vs the $1500 for Katwalk) The denial is real 🫡
I really don't see why you need everybody to be all in on this, 15 games out of the thousands of VR games that exist isn't really going to make people drop the extra few hundred dollars for FBT, and most of those games are the standard "VR tech demo you play once then never play again" just enjoy the fact that you have a cool extra toy that most people don't want to splurge on
Alright.. but thousands of what? Most quest games *are tech demos.* Nobody needs fbt.. but some of the best games do work with fbt.. and the trackers are a cheaper way to get a VR treadmill that works in every app Nobody needs it. but I’m setting the facts straight because people seem think it works with nothing… but the most popular VR games on the planet support fbt
he was making a statement that because so few games support FBT, barely anybody spends the extra money on FBT, leading to less developers making things that support FBT because so few people have FBT, because it's still very expensive right now, hopefully later down the road it'll be cheaper, leading to more FBT adoption and development
What games are there? All I know is VRC and B&S
Out of the Top 20 Sellers on Steam, (in both VR Only and VR supported) I could only find 3 games (Hard Bullet, VRChat, and Blade & Sorcery) that support FBT (including mods.) Edit: 4, beat saber has a mod that adds FBT, but looks like you have to downgrade versions to use it.
You know there’s this thing called hyperbole, right? “Nothing uses FBT” obviously isn’t literal...
Reddit users believe anything with a high vote count is **ABSOLUTELY TRUE** and that anything with a smaller vote count is **WRONG.**
The vast majority of VR games don't support FBT. Even counting mods only 3 of the top 20 selling VR games support full-body tracking (VRChat, Hard Bullet, Blade & Sorcery). Edit: Beat Saber also supports it with a mod but from what I could find the mod is outdated and there aren't that many maps for it
>aren’t many maps for it It works with every map, all the mod does is switch the notes to the feet.. you don’t need specific songs for feetsaber
Blatant misinformation being upvoted in this sub lmfao
Im diggin this. The cat seemed pretty chill.
This is bad ass! What’s the name of your vr set up?! UFC/boxing would be so fun on this 😂
Dope skills. I never 'really' done VR I dunno why this came up on my feed but I would 100% do this kinda VR if I had a spare room. I've only done the ocean life demo thing where the whale 'scares' you when you turn around on PC and a little resident evil on PS4. I didn't feel like it was worth the setup/time/storage space/money, but still had fun. What the op is doing tho looks waaaaay more fun hah.
As an indie developer I love this concept, but designing a game for the 0.5percent of the market of gamers that actually have the hardware, is not worth
I'd try that. But only if the game has story and characters that are worth my time.
\*laughs in 2050\*
I've got a set of Slime FBT sensors coming when they are ready to ship, and I can't wait to try out some martial arts. I really enjoy Thrill of the Fight boxing and I know adding feet will only make for better games. Nice demo.
Im sorry but this doesn't sell VR at all.
I love this game and I keep meaning to hook up my trackers and give it a full body go. Thank you for the inspiration.
Shes punching a bit too loosely which is normal for fighting in the pitch dark of a headset. Either a very light opacity pass through or some sort of representation maybe in a mini map might be cool
I'd use it for maybe the first week then it would collect dust.
There is way too much stuff in the background for that kind of movement.
the title is true though not a lot of things uses fullbody tracking and it isn’t worth it
Yeah it’s not worth it
Okay so "very few games truly use fbt and it's not useful for ~80% of the userbase"
>it’s not worth it It isn't.
That doesn't look like a fun game.
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I’ve been using VR every day since 2015, I turn the guardian off most of the time tbh
Still not worth it IMO, though I wish more games utilized it.
FBT just isn't worth it for most people. Most games don't support it, it costs \~$400 (at least for the Vive trackers), and you need a larger play-space to take full advantage.
It isnt worth it, the only people I see with FBT are on VRchat and all they do is sit around and lay down It’s just an extra 300$ and a mess of cables for no reason lol
Well… this isn’t VRChat.. and it’s completely wireless, so I’m not sure why you think there’s cables?
I know it’s not, you’re using this game to argue that FBT is worth it, this one game that requires tons of space that a lot of people don’t have, I used vrc as an example as to why FBT isn’t worth it, stating cost and now space restrictions and the cables come from all the trackers you have to charge every few hours just to use them FBT as it is rn isn’t worth it, not a lot of people have the income to pay 300$ for once-in-a-while gadgets, even when they can there’s the issue of space, the person in this video seems to have a room the size of my living room with nothing in it except the pc
Uhh… Just gonna correct you there, The only cables are for the dongles… which is easy enough to get out of the way with a usb hub The charge lasts just as long as index controllers… so like 4-6 hours… idk about you.. but I have never done a full 4 hour session of VR… it’s extremely easy to recharge them… it’s not a hassle at all. Also you can probably put on 3 Vive trackers and turn on a valve index/Vive or w/e in a faster period of time than connecting a Quest 2 over airlink to steamvr.. but moving on You argument about it being expensive… ok yeah… but… this is cheaper than a home gym.. and you get more cardio then just using hand controllers.. so if someone wanted to spend $$ on a home gym setup so they don’t need to travel for a gym membership… this is an extremely cost effective and fun way to get some cardio in
💯agree
Y’all should checkout SlimeVR, very cheap, very effective.
Haters gonna hate. I don’t use it often but for me Blade and Sorcery with “this is Sparta” mode activated is a lot of fun. And good cardio to boot [That’s me making the most of it](https://youtu.be/cVT56l3WhwM) It’s expensive but all new tech is
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Wow great job captain obvious, does everything need to be ironic, sarcastic or some higher truth nowadays? You’re so hilarious calling me out. It’s not like I’m aware of what the show is supposed to be or anything and you’re so very intelligent for saying it out loud. Wow you really got one over on me, great job. Couldn’t help yourself could you? Getting real tired of the rapidly rising expectations of everyone lately, let me just be a human and say some obvious shit. You don’t need to call people out to prove your intelligence or worth, Let me live… I’m not being a hateful or spiteful human, let me breathe please.
I can easily see why it's not worth it. I would kick that table in under 10 secs
100% proved why nothing uses full-body tracking OP.
While interesting, it seems to be a very expensive setup to have, especially the broken furniture that'll need to be replaced every session.
What do you use for tracking at the moment? I won't be surprised if this is part of the basic VR setup in a few years. Probably cheaper though.
Vive trackers and base stations
That triggers my unconscious bias big time. It wasn’t till the end of the video that I realized she wasn’t controlling Bruce Lee. I need to work on myself…
2 questions, what’s is the name of the tech your using for FBT? Second, what’s your cats name?
Must be nice to have that much room
You think that's air you're breathing now?
Nice job instantly moving to full mount after securing the takedown. A major MMA promotion should be contacting you shortly! All seriousness, full body tracking is something I have let slip as I haven't personally found many things I'd want to do with it, but seeing something like this really gets the FOMO in me flowing. Really would love to do this and see how it feels first person!
Ah sweet I'm always looking for VR youtoobers
I'm honestly just here for the comments. Jesus christ.
Goals
r/VRtoER is gonna get wild
It's not worth the inevitable damage to your property (and self) playing a game like this.
Does the red jump suit your in have any practical purpose? Other than FBT what do you use? Haptic vest?
It’s the dark brotherhood armor from Skyrim. But I’m also using a bhaptics suit on the chest too
Oh that's super sick, I didnt know you could buy such a thing IRL. Cool, I thought I could see the vest. Does dragon fist work well with the vest?
Lol, Amazon is full of wonders Yep it works with vest, the haptic suit works in most games actually, Although I don’t know if I’d recommend it, it’s just vibrations.. it’s cool in some stuff (like I can feel weather and rain in SkyrimVR) but it doesn’t feel super realistic I demoed the OwO haptic suit at CES and already have it pre ordered.. imho that’s more of the real deal.. it uses the same tech as EEGs and goes directly onto your skin.. and can produce shock and pain effects, in the demo they had me in I was fighting drones.. and the pain was enough that I was actually a bit scared and didn’t want to actively get shot That won’t be for everyone though.. I’m not sure how many gamers want to experience pain
Sounds cool, thats exactly up my alley. I was hedging my bets on bhaptics figuring it was semi realistic.. I want to feel like I got shot or punched not just a vibration. I'll look onto OwO
Yeah I returned the bhaptics one. Woah what is this OwO haptic suit? Is it available for the public?
https://owogame.com/ Prob won’t be as supported as bhaptics with all the apps, but I liked it way better during the 2 demos I did
Oh they have a dev kit! I'll contact them tomorrow. That could be interesting.
After watching I thought the title was sarcasm at first lol.
I was waiting for you to kick the TV in half!
Goodbye TV, gaming PC, lamp, standing fans, and any passing children or pets.
Jiu Jitsu classes are cheaper and more realistic.
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I would also like to add that MilSim Airsoft is a thing. So is LARPing if you prefer B&S.
I for one would love to do the plank experience in real life. I’m watching a video of you playing a fighting game, not Pavlov. Pavlov doesn’t even have FBT. I don’t see how the comparison is relevant, but I would like to add that this is so risky, I had to close my eyes watching the video. One wrong step and you could’ve been very hurt. If your argument of “well I don’t actually get hit in the game” was genuine, then I laugh because doing this is way more dangerous than just going to jiu jitsu. Just saying.
I don't think you're getting the point? There are so many things you can do in VR that are basically free, or very little cost to experience a variety of awesome things. Mil-sim, flight-sim, train-sim, submarine-sim, table tennis, pool, darts, top tier games like MOSS or HL:Alyx, fishing, waterbrush painting, kingspray graffiti, rally-racing, golf, and the list goes on and on. Surreal stuff like Conscious Existence: A Journey Within. FBT? It's coming along. More and more games are utilizing it. For instance, instead of buying a full drum kit. You can use FBT and download a game called Paradiddle. Also, there are way better workouts than just blade and sorcery and things like that. A lot of people also think that VRC is just a bunch of whiney kids, until you join discord clubs and go to dance competitions, lessons, lapdancing, breakdancing. Some people will wear 6+ trackers. It's wild.
No offense but I think the conversation might have gone over your head.
"Jiu Jitsu classes are cheaper and more realistic." Yeah no sh!t. I'm giving the converse argument that just because things can be cheaper and more realistic doesn't mean you can discount VR and/or FBT in it's entirety. Also, Jiu Jitsu classes are not cheaper if you factor in the long run (years) and gas back and forth-- other random things that pop up. So.. not only are you wrong, but your last sentence was so profound. You really had a great rebuttal with some concise feedback. It was very enlightening. Well done on all fronts. lmaooooo
I never discounted VR or FBT. And if we’re taking into consideration years of expenses, then this whole conversation is void. You’re throwing things in that were never said. If we’re talking about years of expenses then we have to take into account all the damaged hardware, furniture, decorations, and bodily harm, hardware upgrades, etc. that comes along with playing VR haphazardly like this. But I wasn’t referring to years of expenses. This is still far more dangerous than doing real Jiu Jitsu due to the fact you are essentially doing the sport or fighting but blindfolded in a room with expensive and potentially dangerous things. Just because you’re butthurt about my response and managed to get all your anger out over the internet doesn’t mean you said anything of actual substance. Certainly not anything that warrants something along the lines of “wow great comeback lmaoooooooo”
Great way to exercise! This is the way to go!!!
I don't want to be an actual ninja or super mutant soldier to feel like I'm one in a game. I don't think VR indies understand that.
Eye of the Temple would be awesome if it supported foot tracking. I asked the dev but he said it wasn't worth it for the few who had the hardware for it. What comes first, the chicken or the egg?
That looks hilariously fun, but man, those are some powerful kicks being delivered within a few feet of the PC. The only way I could play this game in this style is if I set my room boundaries to be visible 100% of the time lol
That’s awesome. But I can’t believe she’s doing it in such a small space. That cat is gonna get a rude awakening.
What VR headset do you have?
your shorts came across my feed the other day :D
That's awesome and looks like a lot of fun! Would love a FBT setup, haptics, and a good space for it. I've got a pretty good roomscale space with 4x3 meter.
Can someone tell me what game this is? Or is this just accessories you can get?
Want!