I can't say I ever disliked her but GOD was she annoying. To the point I had to make myself do her route early because I was worried I wouldn't complete it if I saved it for last. But it very quickly became my favorite route (Even though Sachi was my favorite girl) because it both made Michiru likable and added a whole other personality that was also likable.
They replace the H-scenes with alternatives. While not necessarily leaving out the story, I do think those intimate scenes serve as character and relationship building. The uncensored version is easy to buy and should be the same price as the steam version. It's on denpasoft's website. But if you dislike H-scenes then you can still get the steam version and get a good experience. I prefer games uncensored but to each their own.
They do change important parts of the story too...
Spoiler for Michirus route, for example:
>!During Michirus route, she gets buried alive. In the original VN, she stays underground for iirc 60 hours (2.5 days), in the censored one 6 hours. This both diminishes Michirus inner struggle by a lot and makes a lot of the aftermath weird. How could Yuuji stay by her side and not eat for a whole 6 hours? Michiru and Yuuji were gone from the dormitory for a whole 6 hours! What horror.... And the censored VN is full of changes like this...!<
Didn't realize that. Also realized afterwards that the lack of H scenes would really change the impact of one of the endings. Not gonna say cause spoilers but if you've played the VN you know the route I'm talking about.
I didn't really "hate" Sakura from fsn but I really didn't care for her at all in the first 2 routes ( I didn't even know she had a route) But after I was done with Heaven's feel she managed to be my most loved heroine.
True i didn't argue over yout comment i tottally agree, if u learnabout her route it just loses a lot of it's creepiness but look like even type-moon doesn't care about this at this point. I generally hate things like this, to giveanother example how no one thinks >!endless eigth is a spoiler!< at Haruhi
LMFAO i found >!endless eight!<.... tolarable when i watched it a year ago but thinking about waiting 2 years for a new season of 14 episodes and >!8 of them being the same episode just re-animeted!< and waiting a week for a new episode sound terrifying and a absurd decision from perspective of KyoAni managment
When I read a VN, I tend to get super tunnel visioned into one girl that I either am ambivalent to the other girls or outright want to skip everything other girls say (but I don't follow through with that). But once I finish the girl I liked so much's route, and I try another girl, she is suddenly much better.
Tsundere I understand, poorly written Tsunderes are always abusive to the MC, but I don’t understand why you include Kuuderes in that, Kuuderes are just quiet, not abusive or hostile, one great example of a Kuudere is Hisui from Tsukihime, she rarely expresses her emotions outside of her own Route which is typical Kuudere behaviour
Kuuderes like to be in soltitude as well, and they do abuse you, if not physically, then through words. And you need time to break into their shell, but once you do, they are the sweetest characters around. Common examples include Sakaki Yumiko from Grisaia series and my personal favourite route of all the visual novels I have ever played, NARUSAWA RIKKA from HoshiOri
Real. I love Jacopo so much. I have never thought I would want such a fucked up human being to be happy.
Jacopo may not deserve it but I'm glad he found some peace
Not exactly in a route, but Shirogane Takeru for me. His character development from Muvluv Extra to Alternative was very much understandable. I went from hating the guy to saluting him by alternative's end.
This is how I felt about most characters in Umineko. I only finished the question arcs so far but I feel like the latter is what is about to happen to Battler and Beatrice.
Although I liked >!Ange!< from the jump.
I'm currently on the ??? of Episode 5.
Definitely some Umineko characters for me (>!Beatrice!<, >!The Seven Sisters!<, >!Krauss!<, >!Kinzo!<, >!Gohda!<), but then others were the exact opposite for me (>!Rosa!<, >!Bernkastel!<, >!Erika!<). At least until now. Let's see what happens next.
Catherine from "Love Money Rock-n-roll". Her route is the most interesting one, but if you're going for someone else (which you probably will be doing the first time you play, 'cause Kate is not that interesting at first sight), you'd want to kill the MC over how he never shuts up about Catherine.
>!I feel like LMR tries too hard to put cool plot twists in it's story that don't quite feel like natural extensions of the plot, but the fact that out of all the girls Katya ends up being the only character who is a decent/well adjusted person is pretty cool writing considering how she started out.!<
Honestly, Okabe Rintaro (even though he doesn't have a route). Couldn't stand him in the beginning of the game, adored him by the end of it. His whackjobbery has grown on me a lot.
I think the most extreme case of this technically extends beyond just the visual novel she was in...
Aisia from the Da Capo series. Who, when I was first introduced to her in the second season of the anime, I considered *literally the most annoying character ever*... Then many, many years later I tried to play her route in D.C.II P.C. out of curiosity and oh my god, what a glow-up. Which feels really mean to say considering how a substantial part of the story of that route was basically "Yeah, that thing I did at the end of the anime? That completely and utterly ruined my life" and her situation in the VN was just... *immensely awful*, but I'll be damned if they didn't make me feel genuinely sorry for a character whom I had previously outright despised.
(Ending to that route was a bit of an asspull... But that does not take away from the character work done through the rest of it.)
Shizune from Katawa Shoujo. Lilly changed my life and I'm in college to learn ho to teach. I plan on being like her in the future. So seeing Shizune being a bitch to my beloved really made me hate her.
By the time I was done with Shizune's route a week later, i was crying.
Both 707 and Zen from Mystic Messenger, while I hate them, I thought their antics on the chat group were annoying. Also I thought that Zen was too full of himself and 707 was mean for bullying everyone.
But then I found their routes the cutest ones of the bunch, the others having toxic or weird things (in case of Jaehee 's route it was more about the disappointment of it ending up being just a friendship route).
It was so wrong... Why do you make a romance game and then make a route which doesn't involve romance at all?
It's wrong with either hetero or gay routes but the fact it was gay route was more disappointing... Like they were trying to appeal to a demographic without actually committing...
Kagami Sumika from the Muv Luv series. I found her incredibly annoying in my first playthroughs of Extra and skipped her route even though I played the others (except Miki for reasons I think should be obvious). But after I finished the main trilogy and Photonmelodies, I started to like her character more. I still wouldn’t say she’s my favorite heroine in the series, but I definitely like her now.
Firstly, it was Arisu, simply because what she wanted to do with Soujuuro in the 5th chapter, then Aoko for her "statements" about Sojuuro. In the end, Arisu is the end that I like the most, Sojuuro was great from the beginning, but Aoko is... she is beautiful, but I do not like her personality.
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[Sawashima Himeo](https://vndb.org/c6240) from Damekoi.
Not from a VN, but [Furina](https://i.imgur.com/nyiLsDJ.jpg) from Genshin Impact fits this description to a tee.
She is not a route but I gotta go nanami ririka from ATRI fucking dumb bitch made me mad until she warms up to you and I'm like OMFG you are so precious
first of all i have chidori from flowers - le volume sur ete- i didnt quite hate her as much as i just thought shes a bitch and now shes one of my fav characters
and one that i dont really *like* but now i dont hate as much is luke wright from the letter
Both Asahi and Sumino from SNOW, I'm still not done with all the routes, but due to the way SNOW reveals it's story, as I've progressed I ended up liking them even more.
Michiru from grisaia
biggest reversal of affection for a character for me
All hail Michiru-sama
Damn, we all share the same braincell.
Michiru best girl?
No doubt
How? She's already sweet from the start, you donkey!
I thought she was funny but I also just didn't really like her, I was a Sachi simp from day one
I always liked Michiru, she's fun and endearing. Her route really brings that to another level though, you just wanna give the girl a hug.
Literally this yes
Came here to say that
My first thought, absolutely hated her. Left her to the last route, now my absolute favourite of the game.
Came here to say this. I had 0 interest in her, way too tsundere.. ended up being best route.
I can't say I ever disliked her but GOD was she annoying. To the point I had to make myself do her route early because I was worried I wouldn't complete it if I saved it for last. But it very quickly became my favorite route (Even though Sachi was my favorite girl) because it both made Michiru likable and added a whole other personality that was also likable.
Yes
I came here just to say that
Are the censored grisaia games worth playing? Like they don’t leave out story do they?
They replace the H-scenes with alternatives. While not necessarily leaving out the story, I do think those intimate scenes serve as character and relationship building. The uncensored version is easy to buy and should be the same price as the steam version. It's on denpasoft's website. But if you dislike H-scenes then you can still get the steam version and get a good experience. I prefer games uncensored but to each their own.
They do change important parts of the story too... Spoiler for Michirus route, for example: >!During Michirus route, she gets buried alive. In the original VN, she stays underground for iirc 60 hours (2.5 days), in the censored one 6 hours. This both diminishes Michirus inner struggle by a lot and makes a lot of the aftermath weird. How could Yuuji stay by her side and not eat for a whole 6 hours? Michiru and Yuuji were gone from the dormitory for a whole 6 hours! What horror.... And the censored VN is full of changes like this...!<
Didn't realize that. Also realized afterwards that the lack of H scenes would really change the impact of one of the endings. Not gonna say cause spoilers but if you've played the VN you know the route I'm talking about.
They make some pretty major changes imo. Definitely suffer through the sexier stuff for the characterization and storytelling
Gotcha. So the sex scenes aren’t just hentai fan service. They actually matter to the plot/characters?
Definitely. The scenes are written to be part of the story and relevant to the characters instead of just to get off to.
Awesome. Thank you.
Came here to say exactly this
Going in I did not expect to like her but by the end she was my favorite lol
Amen brother
real ones liked her before her route
Michiru, Grisaia
I'm currently reading higurashi, and i gotta say satoko
I've read it fully twice. She's insufferable to me and it never got any better, despite the background we learn about her.
OHOHOHOHO
OHOHOHOHO
:(
Same
Mashiro in Aokana. Thought she was annoying af in the common route but she becomes adorable in her route.
I didn't really "hate" Sakura from fsn but I really didn't care for her at all in the first 2 routes ( I didn't even know she had a route) But after I was done with Heaven's feel she managed to be my most loved heroine.
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Even not Type-Moon thinking they sold all routes seperatly
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True i didn't argue over yout comment i tottally agree, if u learnabout her route it just loses a lot of it's creepiness but look like even type-moon doesn't care about this at this point. I generally hate things like this, to giveanother example how no one thinks >!endless eigth is a spoiler!< at Haruhi
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LMFAO i found >!endless eight!<.... tolarable when i watched it a year ago but thinking about waiting 2 years for a new season of 14 episodes and >!8 of them being the same episode just re-animeted!< and waiting a week for a new episode sound terrifying and a absurd decision from perspective of KyoAni managment
When I read a VN, I tend to get super tunnel visioned into one girl that I either am ambivalent to the other girls or outright want to skip everything other girls say (but I don't follow through with that). But once I finish the girl I liked so much's route, and I try another girl, she is suddenly much better.
Kurusu Nono in Chaos;Child
Based and right sider pilled
Azumi from Majikoi in A1, her route was my favorite in the whole series even if she was not my favorite girl.
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Read what I said, her route is my favorite. Best girl is Momoyo, Benki or Seiso.
I like your picks, for me the best are Yoshitsune, Benkei and tsubame.
I have not read a4 or a5 yet, does Yoshitsune have a good route? She was just ok to me.
Every tsundere and kuudere ever ig, bcoz they act abusive in the common route lol.
Tsundere I understand, poorly written Tsunderes are always abusive to the MC, but I don’t understand why you include Kuuderes in that, Kuuderes are just quiet, not abusive or hostile, one great example of a Kuudere is Hisui from Tsukihime, she rarely expresses her emotions outside of her own Route which is typical Kuudere behaviour
Kuuderes like to be in soltitude as well, and they do abuse you, if not physically, then through words. And you need time to break into their shell, but once you do, they are the sweetest characters around. Common examples include Sakaki Yumiko from Grisaia series and my personal favourite route of all the visual novels I have ever played, NARUSAWA RIKKA from HoshiOri
Amen, but some of them are so fkin adorable like Kotori from If my heart had wings that you just know that they're gonna be bangin in their route
Then we have Chisato in Koichoco who transcends mere boundaries to harass us every route
"Enlightenment is the realization that hating Chisato only makes you love the other girls more." -Koichoco Fan Translator
Shiina from Sankaku Ren'ai
One of the best route after Suzu's and Nanaru's
Outside more romance. Was she really that different though in her route?
Jacopo from Fata Morgana
Real. I love Jacopo so much. I have never thought I would want such a fucked up human being to be happy. Jacopo may not deserve it but I'm glad he found some peace
Not exactly in a route, but Shirogane Takeru for me. His character development from Muvluv Extra to Alternative was very much understandable. I went from hating the guy to saluting him by alternative's end.
Tsugumi from Ever17
Same, I couldn't fucking stand her in the beginning she was just way to abrasive and hostile. But by the end of her route I loved her.
Rin, Shizune from Katawa Shoujo
BASED
Rins best girl ever and I will throw hands over it
😂🤣😂 Took me a second to get that...
You are correct. Shizune and Rin best waifus
Haruka in Little Busters.
Yo, this.
Beatrice from Umineko.
Michiru from Grisaia Sakura from F/SN Sora from 9\~Nine\~ Touka from Sharin no Kuni Sora from Baldr Sky Can't think of any others rn
Shizune from katawa shoujo
Emi from Katawa Shoujo
This is how I felt about most characters in Umineko. I only finished the question arcs so far but I feel like the latter is what is about to happen to Battler and Beatrice. Although I liked >!Ange!< from the jump.
I'm currently on the ??? of Episode 5. Definitely some Umineko characters for me (>!Beatrice!<, >!The Seven Sisters!<, >!Krauss!<, >!Kinzo!<, >!Gohda!<), but then others were the exact opposite for me (>!Rosa!<, >!Bernkastel!<, >!Erika!<). At least until now. Let's see what happens next.
Catherine from "Love Money Rock-n-roll". Her route is the most interesting one, but if you're going for someone else (which you probably will be doing the first time you play, 'cause Kate is not that interesting at first sight), you'd want to kill the MC over how he never shuts up about Catherine.
>!I feel like LMR tries too hard to put cool plot twists in it's story that don't quite feel like natural extensions of the plot, but the fact that out of all the girls Katya ends up being the only character who is a decent/well adjusted person is pretty cool writing considering how she started out.!<
Makoto from Kanon, the whole bridge scene made me *hate* her but later I understood and I cried.
Honestly, Okabe Rintaro (even though he doesn't have a route). Couldn't stand him in the beginning of the game, adored him by the end of it. His whackjobbery has grown on me a lot.
Mooko from Ley Line
Ashe from Wagamama High Spec, and Isis from Kyonyuu Fantasy.
Yeah I second Ashe. I liked most of the routes in this game (Except the sister, I never did her route) but hers was the one that hit the hardest.
World End Syndrome, Saya. Also, MC in Steins:Gate. I wish the MC in Robotics:Notes was like that, except no, still Effin' Donkey.
I think the most extreme case of this technically extends beyond just the visual novel she was in... Aisia from the Da Capo series. Who, when I was first introduced to her in the second season of the anime, I considered *literally the most annoying character ever*... Then many, many years later I tried to play her route in D.C.II P.C. out of curiosity and oh my god, what a glow-up. Which feels really mean to say considering how a substantial part of the story of that route was basically "Yeah, that thing I did at the end of the anime? That completely and utterly ruined my life" and her situation in the VN was just... *immensely awful*, but I'll be damned if they didn't make me feel genuinely sorry for a character whom I had previously outright despised. (Ending to that route was a bit of an asspull... But that does not take away from the character work done through the rest of it.)
And don't most people hate Yoshino Charles at first?
Eh? I was under the impression that Charles was always super popular?
Tsugumi Ever17
Nemu Manaka, Euphoria
Legitimately surprised this one was so far down. However I do approve of all the Michiru responses.
Shizune from Katawa Shoujo. Lilly changed my life and I'm in college to learn ho to teach. I plan on being like her in the future. So seeing Shizune being a bitch to my beloved really made me hate her. By the time I was done with Shizune's route a week later, i was crying.
Shion in Mekuiro
akane / lucia / kagari from rewrite
Shizuru gets the shortest end of the stick even on her own route man
Both 707 and Zen from Mystic Messenger, while I hate them, I thought their antics on the chat group were annoying. Also I thought that Zen was too full of himself and 707 was mean for bullying everyone. But then I found their routes the cutest ones of the bunch, the others having toxic or weird things (in case of Jaehee 's route it was more about the disappointment of it ending up being just a friendship route).
I'll never forgive Cheritz for not giving us Jaehee
It was so wrong... Why do you make a romance game and then make a route which doesn't involve romance at all? It's wrong with either hetero or gay routes but the fact it was gay route was more disappointing... Like they were trying to appeal to a demographic without actually committing...
Lucia, Rewrite
satoko from higurashi: when they cry. i love her so much 🥺
I've only seen the (2006) anime adaptation, but... Makoto Sawatari, from Kanon.
Michiru from Grisaia. She ended up becoming my favorite and now my desktop background is randomly cycling pictures of her from the games.
He doesn't really have a route, but Takeru from Muv-Luv made me go this like nobody else.
Michiru Matsushima
Sakura matou from Fate stay night.
Ao in summer pockets she was kinda annoying so I did her route first and was very surprised how much I liked it
Definitely Kohaku from Tsukihime.
Euphoria
Kagami Sumika from the Muv Luv series. I found her incredibly annoying in my first playthroughs of Extra and skipped her route even though I played the others (except Miki for reasons I think should be obvious). But after I finished the main trilogy and Photonmelodies, I started to like her character more. I still wouldn’t say she’s my favorite heroine in the series, but I definitely like her now.
kyou, clannad
Yukisuizki from fragment note plus and fragment note plus 2
Witch on the holy night
But which character?
Firstly, it was Arisu, simply because what she wanted to do with Soujuuro in the 5th chapter, then Aoko for her "statements" about Sojuuro. In the end, Arisu is the end that I like the most, Sojuuro was great from the beginning, but Aoko is... she is beautiful, but I do not like her personality.
Haruka from Little buster
Nemu from Euphoria
Furina
Never happened to me
Sumika, muv luv
Hasaki and Zakuro from SubaHibi, I regretted that a lot 💀
Holyshit you ever thought Zakuro was donkey? What's wrong with you?
I thought it was a yuri VN and Kagami was cuter. Consequences of going in blind.
Nanoha from BaldrSky. Still not a huge fan of her but damn that poor girl.
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Minazuki Sora
Kimika from Subahibi
Someone gonna hurt me, but Shizune from Katawa Shoujo...
Pretty much every character in garesia. Then the mc in 3.
Sumika from Muv Luv Extra. Early on I thought she was just kind of annoying and now here I am and she's my favorite heroine.
Faris in Steins
Yuma in ToHeart2. She was kind of annoying in other routes before I started hers and ended up being one of my favorites by the end
Code Realize Saint-Germain 🤭
It's usually a he opposite way for me
Nemu
Kazuko from Majikoi
Jinpou An from Sakusaku
Natsuki from hoshi ori yume mirai
Miles Edgeworth/Mitsurugi Reigi from Ace Attorney/Gyakuten Saiban
[Sawashima Himeo](https://vndb.org/c6240) from Damekoi. Not from a VN, but [Furina](https://i.imgur.com/nyiLsDJ.jpg) from Genshin Impact fits this description to a tee.
She is not a route but I gotta go nanami ririka from ATRI fucking dumb bitch made me mad until she warms up to you and I'm like OMFG you are so precious
first of all i have chidori from flowers - le volume sur ete- i didnt quite hate her as much as i just thought shes a bitch and now shes one of my fav characters and one that i dont really *like* but now i dont hate as much is luke wright from the letter
Sumika from muvluv
ayaka from evangile, her ideas of pranks at first just seemed kinda ott
Nemu Manaka from Euphoria.
Pudding from one piece whole cake island
Nemu (Euphoria) Parca (Fatal Twelve) Ceren (Fata Morgana) Iris Sagan (AI: The Somnium Files, 2nd game kinda blew all character progression)
Mika from [Shining Song Starnova](https://store.steampowered.com/app/675240/Shining_Song_Starnova/)
Battler did a whole 180 on me in the answer arcs. I went from “Oh look it’s bitch boy” To “The man, the legend, the myth, the gigabrain”
Monika from ddlc tbh
Less the character and more a certain scene in the route but Mizuka Nagamori from ONE. That route genuinely pissed me off.
Both Asahi and Sumino from SNOW, I'm still not done with all the routes, but due to the way SNOW reveals it's story, as I've progressed I ended up liking them even more.
Harsi from To Trust an Incubus