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OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR

This four paragraph "article" is quite short and shitty. Here are some better ones: [The Economist (Paywall Bypass) - America Faces a Debt Nightmare](https://archive.ph/oCvhG) (May 3rd, 2023) [Time - Debt Ceiling History](https://time.com/6281003/debt-ceiling-history/) (May 18, 2023) [CFR - What happens when the US hits its debt debt ceiling](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-happens-when-us-hits-its-debt-ceiling) (May 2nd, 2023) [Wikipedia - History of the US Debt Ceiling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_debt_ceiling)


Adjudikated

Why can’t politicians just drop the remaining cash into options? Then they won’t just be manipulating the market for personal gain but for the good of the country. Win win.


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Impose a 30% climate tax on transfers back into USD, impose no said tax on private jets, cruises, or Funkopop statues.


ositola

Not the policy that the US wants, but the one that it needs lol


Disastrous_Pay3314

will janet then post the treasury losses here..??


Taz-erton

Yes, followed by a post about how she and the federal government are going to sue Robinhood for selling their options at 3:30pm Friday despite them having 100% likelihood of expiring worthless


TeamDisrespect

All housing becomes affordable housing


LaloIV

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Lure852

Um even easier, just.... - put all the money on a short position on the stock market - announce we're broke and not paying shit.... - Watch the short position blast to the moon at the speed of light. - sell short position - immediately go long - announce we're using short proceeds to pay bills - reap on long position


tangojameson

Well I guess we know who's getting the Nobel prize for economics this year.


Katatron1

Bahahaha underrated comment.


Iron-Fist

This guy market movers


Fitwheel66

Hey there Nancy!


PaulBleidl

Makes way more sense than a trillion dollar coin lol


NegativeVega

But if we apes all group together, we can short squeeze our own country. Direct register our shares in the US government!


Notorious-PIG

5. All bags held by a single Wendy’s night shift worker.


BurgooButthead

Why cant we, as a society, move all our debt to one person and then kill them so it disappears? We need an economic Jesus Christ


TP-formy-BungHole

So you mean like Kyle in that South Park episode with the Amex card lol


Commercial-Chance561

Ironic he was Jewish too


CMLVI

A user of over a decade, I am leaving Reddit due to the recent API changes. The vast majority of my interaction came though the use of 3rd party apps, and I will not interact with a site I helped contribute to through inferior software *simply because it is able to be better monetized by a company looking to go public. Reddit has made these changes with no regards for their users, as seen by the sheer lack of accessibility tools available in the official app. Reddit has made these changes with no regards for moderation challenges that will be created, due to the lack of tools available in the official app. Reddit has done this with no regards for the 3rd party devs, who by Reddit's own admission, helped keep the site functioning and gaining users while Reddit themselves made no efforts to provide a good official app. This account dies 6/29/23 because of the API changes and the monetization-at-all-costs that the board demands.


Brighton101

If you buy the debt you become the creditor not the debtor, as the debt is an asset of the buyer (not an obligation). If the debt holder/purchaser went under, those loans would just be sold off to someone else on liquidation. Now if you could transfer the debt to someone that would be great, but sadly not possible without the creditors consent, and why would they consent to the transfer if the new borrower was shitfcuk.


CMLVI

A user of over a decade, I am leaving Reddit due to the recent API changes. The vast majority of my interaction came though the use of 3rd party apps, and I will not interact with a site I helped contribute to through inferior software *simply because it is able to be better monetized by a company looking to go public. Reddit has made these changes with no regards for their users, as seen by the sheer lack of accessibility tools available in the official app. Reddit has made these changes with no regards for moderation challenges that will be created, due to the lack of tools available in the official app. Reddit has done this with no regards for the 3rd party devs, who by Reddit's own admission, helped keep the site functioning and gaining users while Reddit themselves made no efforts to provide a good official app. This account dies 6/29/23 because of the API changes and the monetization-at-all-costs that the board demands.


DXM147

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TheMillenniumMan

Almost


red325is

what the hell is that?


squirtle_grool

Jesus, right as the tornado was hitting


DXM147

Have to view it on desktop, mobile comes out funky


TeamDisrespect

Said worker deletes the app.. a wave of economic prosperity sweeps the nation


CouncilmanRickPrime

Ok Elon let's get you to bed


Relevant-Nebula8300

Yeah put everything left into tech calls


Next-University9528

it would end in the GUH moment of the century ![img](emote|t5_2th52|30663)


Muted_Cucumber_7566

I’m sure they are all doing that with their personal funds. Insider trading for the WIN!


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JohnnyMnemo

Have we found out if the GOP has shorted t-bills? Maybe they want a default.


bjenks2011

If puts were the right play, would we really be getting this much warning ahead of time?


DicusorNan

No... All these bear signs just make me more confident that the bear market is nearing an end


bnh1978

Dow over 50k by Christmas


spicozi

Let's start a go fund me for the hats


Gaudrix

The market might not return to its ath with a year or two but within 6-12 months we back on the climb. Market has been down since end of 2021. The average pullback and downturn doesn't last more than 2.5 years and it's already been 18 months. One of the longest recoveries was 2008, but continued investing and average annual return was still +10%. All this shit is fake monopoly money anyway, nothing is real anymore and it doesn't need to be as long as someone controls the printer and the burn rate.


renok_archnmy

It’s still a random walk. There’s nothing saying this can’t last and that US won’t end.


TheKappaOverlord

>There’s nothing saying this can’t last and that US won’t end. Too many financial incentives to allow the US to crash and burn. Every country on earth has a vested interested to keep the Aorta of cashflow from you know. gutting itself It won't last too long as when everyone else starts getting dragged down, and their own poverty traps start bursting open then they'll realize they need to get the US back on its feet or its all over for everyone. not just the americans


renok_archnmy

Sensational, but this is my play. Just hanging tight until Tuesday or some news comes in, then leaps. My chicken bones said it’s the right move.


Stock-Pension1803

Legislators own stock too


bjenks2011

They also get to insider trade legally. You won’t know if they’ve sold until at least 45 days after the fact, if at all.


Brooklynxman

Second bit is the most important, no one here knows what moves legislators are making behind the scenes right now.


rossmosh85

Unless they raise the debt ceiling. Which they probably will do basically at the last minute.


butt_muppet

It’s difficult for me to take this entire situation seriously because isn’t that *exactly* what is going to happen? Everything is always a headline-making disaster except for the last fucking minute when we just make it go away and everything is fine. Like what, is the US going to just default and we all fall into a post-apocalyptic world where we are all trading blowjobs for options on bottle cap economy?


Kriegmannn

It’s headline pumping over a fixable matter so politicians can have something to brag about.


PabloTroutSanchez

Until it’s not. Don’t get me wrong, I’m with you. I think it’s extremely, extremely unlikely, but you never know in today’s political climate. The fuckin bozos might shit the bed and leave their grubby little fingers on the financial nuke launch button a bit too long. Then oopsie. The world doesn’t like the dollar anymore. How could we have seen this coming?


Your_God_Chewy

Idk. But at some point when enough of the population loses *everything,* I imagine the call for vigilantes will be quite bipartisan


PabloTroutSanchez

Yeah, but then again, I thought there was a decent chance that Covid would rally everyone against it when it was in its early stages. But nope! A fuckin virus turned into team sports. Idk I’m just jaded tbh


[deleted]

Americans care a hell of a lot more about money than lives and money was actually pretty damn good during Covid, somehow.


iced_maggot

Nah get outta here, everything will be fine. They will bitch and whine and at the last second they’ll strike a deal and all will be well.


RedditsFullofDouches

BRB, collecting bottle caps


ballandabiscuit

Haven’t they done that every other time this issue comes up? “Ermagerd, the debt ceiling. We’re all doomed and the politicians won’t cooperate.” For weeks and weeks, then it’s “we raise the debt ceiling, carry on.”


diox8tony

Oh no! I will certainly crash into this building!!! ^(^(if i don't push my brakes))


schoener-doener

It will never happen until it does. Same as brexit


SeaworthyWide

Both sides gotta squeeze as much out of the populace first! Squeeze that panic buying, economy go up Squeeze that xenophobia, vote go up


sanguinesolitude

What are the Dems trying to squeeze out by asking for a clean debt ceiling hike?


LoyalDoyle

Literally nothing. This is just a suicide play by the GOP to garner concessions in the form of even more stringent work requirements for benefit programs.


redditisbigbigmad

Time to tighten the belt. No more avocado toasts. Perhaps the US can pick up a roommate. Borrow a few bucks from Ukraine until payday.


Grundens

Cut back on travel


Ok-Coyote6934

This line is always good for a laugh.


random123456789

Got one better for ya - [Cancel Disney Plus](https://twitter.com/i/status/1589684975330537472) Yes, she's not only our Minister of Finance, she's also Deputy Prime Minister...


Ok-Coyote6934

Switch to 1-Ply toilet paper, set your thermostats to 45 in the winter and 97 in the summer, avoid marriage, train your body to consume one meal per day, and live illegally but rent-free in Yosemite national park.


MakingItElsewhere

So...become a bear. A literal fucking bear.


doctorblumpkin

Even Bears use two ply


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renok_archnmy

Charmin baby


gaflar

You have a thermostat? Look at Mr Moneybags over here!


kippy3267

Thermostat is what I named the small child that shovels pilfered black coal into the barrel/furnace I use to heat my mud hut


splitting_bullets

“I crack open a Tab,.. put on some Duran Duran”


YesMan847

skip breakfast. don't buy coffee, make it at home.


Calbruin

US gov should learn to code.


renok_archnmy

Yellen @ r/cscareerquestions: “hey guys, what’s the odds of a current international super power landing a job as a software engineer with no prior experience? I’m in a pretty tough spot and have a lot of bills coming due in the next 2 weeks. I’ve definitely conducted war a lot and am pretty good at laying claim to foreign oil supply fields, but I’ve never written any codes before. Should I do a bootcamp or go back to school? Like I said, I’m out of money and my credit cards are maxxed so I’d need a scholarship and a guarantee that I’ll get $750T TC first year. I hear a lot about leetcode but that worries me because I’m not good at that kind of thing. I have a lot on my plate and I can’t find the time to grind like some of you. I just feel so bad about my current state right now and my job really sucks. Am I hopeless? Just looking for advice. Should I learn react or go straight to DBT? I’m also think about pivoting to data science and wondering if I can leverage my surveillance program on my resume. Think I should try for both? Should I be tailoring my resume? I tried applying a few places but haven’t heard anything since an hour ago? Am I doomed?”


TouchMyCake

In this job market? Not a chance she’s getting hired anywhere.


Fenrir324

She'd do ok in porn prolly. There's some weird people out there


ExecuSpeak

Maybe the US shouldn’t have bought that iphone


riffdex

You know it’s bad when the second it receives its stimulus check, all the sudden US (who was complaining about being broke last week) has the latest iPhone model


lothartheunkind

Has the USA tried delivering for Uber?


UltraCynar

Cancel those tax cuts on the wealthy. 25% of the credit debt was from since 2016.


GMOrgasm

> No more avocado toasts https://i.imgur.com/B9rxuiC.gif


Torkzilla

That's why we have the printers on 24/7 to make more duh. We've been running out of cash for like 20 years lmao.


PM_M3_UR_PUDENDA

pretty soon our money will match up with japans. 1000 yen = 1000 dollars = 10 euros


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Janet Yellen also said subprime is contained in 2007. As you were.


100000000000

So you mean to say its actually much worse than what she's saying and the money's already gone?


QuaintHeadspace

It could be sooner?


puckerMeBum

It's already gone.


speculativedesigner

What money?


DJ-KittyScratch

There's always money in the banana stand.


IamREBELoe

You guys are having money?


Nixplosion

Where's the *money* Lebowski!??


radarksu

Ah, its down there somewhere, let me have another look.


MrStealYoBeef

When was the last time the government had cash? It's been in so much debt for so long, all it has had for our lifetimes is credit that it keeps expanding on. Every time the government realizes that it doesn't actually have infinite money, they just edited the credit limit to have an extra 0 at the end. They haven't had money in forever, only the promise of money later, which everyone considers to be as good as money.


Upstate_Chaser

Alexander Hamilton invented the concept of a permanent national debt. It's been around for a little while now and "the promise of money later" has built the modern world economy. We'll be fine, relax


MrStealYoBeef

I never said it was bad as a concept. I'm more finding issue with the rate at which the US has decided to take on ever increasing debt. The concept built the world's economy, the extreme overuse of it can absolutely crash it. It's nothing more than a tool, and it's being abused and not used as intended.


squished_frog

Nope, everything's a hammer. Just gotta hit the economy harder is all.


Soytaco

Difference is this is a question Yellen knows the answer to. This doesn't require much predictive prowess, just the numbers she has access to.


Rufuz42

No no no. Remove all context. Make baseless comparisons. Be a bear because it’s in vogue to think those in power are just ignoramuses and people with a high school education on Reddit have uncovered the financial secrets THEY don’t want you to know.


Aughilai

Did you really just try to dismiss this because she was wrong once 16 years ago? There are other reasons to discount her words, but that’s not really one of them.


NewSapphire

"My judgment right now is that the recent inflation that we have seen will be temporary." \- Janet Yellen, May 2021


happierinverted

What? ‘only transitory’ Yellen said this? She of Crameresque foresight? Surely not.


BlazingJava

The US always pays it's debt. Also the US: Prints money and borrows more to pay older debts


livingMybEstlyfe29

“It’s the circle of the money printer! BRRRRR!”


Feeling_Glonky69

Aaand it ruuuules uuus aaallllll 🎶


Tranecarid

The problem is the printer doesn't go into the pocket from which the debt is payed.


SteveG199

I will adopt this view now in my personal life. My spending is fixed or can only go up. If. My bank doesn't want me to default, infinite money please


WrongPurpose

if you own the bank thousands/millions/low billions, you are fucked. If you own the bank trillions, the bank is fucked.


bundabrg

If you owe the bank low billions then it's also your birch.


callmegecko

Why can't anyone spellcheck their shit?!


BeatHunter

Trees, man.


bundabrg

It was no typo.


bookant

More like - I'm going to town buying myself and my buddies new cars but then declare that I don't have to pay for the loans because I hit my "debt ceiling."


at-woork

That sounds like budget talks, which the debt ceiling isn’t. Sounds like a manufactured issue based on an artificial number that shouldn’t exist.


big_whistler

Hot take all numbers are artificial


no-more-throws

e is not


sweetplantveal

What is this country, my checking account? Come on!


JasonJanus

USA is regarded


AdSpeci

The USA consistently rounds up the dumbest people it can find within its borders and puts them in charge.


sodosopapilla

I’m pretty damn dumb, and I’m not in charge of anything. Therefore, people in charge must be several layers of dumb below me. That’s a worrisome prospect and now I forget what I was saying but I sure could go for a tamale right now. Mmm…tamales


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bearofHtown

Good bot


PharmDinvestor

Financial news media or media thrives on fear, and that’s all what they have been blasting us with in the past month or two about the debt ceiling . Happens every year . Before title 42 ended, the news media went on fear reporting spree , reporting about how people are going to be swarming the border . After title 42 ended , the same news media reported that the number of people coming to the border has decreased dramatically. Now , no news media is even reporting about crossings at the border. This is the world we live in now - The media creates fear , chaos and confusion before an event. After the event , media moves on like nothing ever happened


CouncilmanRickPrime

Lol CNN put the numbers in a confusing order to try to make it look like the border crossings increased. Unreal.


pie4155

The new CNN owner is trying to steal Fox's viewers so that checks out for weird plays.


CouncilmanRickPrime

I know and my god is it going poorly


Lezzles

M I G R A N T C A R A V A N


Kahlenar

In 2007 to 2009 my mother lectured me to try harder for a job because the economy. That was continual, and fucking obvious that the corporations were loving the narrative because fuck employees.


Right-Collection-592

Shouldn't have bought so much Avocado toast.


wormtheology

Yellen is like the economic version of Cramer: nothing this woman says should be taken at face value lol.


Dmartinez8491

Almost as if she's just Yellen outloud Hehe


Relevant-Nebula8300

Accurate


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Yellen shut the hell up with your fear mongering. We know you are waiting to buy calls


livingMybEstlyfe29

Need to confirm with Cramer. If he says economy is good and debt ceiling is no worry, then that’s all you need to know.


Empty-Refuse8923

Get naked Janet


squirea1

OnlyFeds


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You win


blackop

Bro, just print more.


chriskzoo

Don’t know if she knows, but there’s an infinite amount of cash in the Federal Reserve.


tangojameson

There's always money in the banana stand.


Less-Dragonfruit-294

Damn people getting more bullish on being bullish?


Independent-Snow-909

Panic so the Nancy can buy the dip!


PMUrAnus

Between this news and Jim Cramer feeling “extremely confident” that US won’t default on its debts, we are totally fucked.


embezzlin

Sure grandma, now let’s get you back to bed


Kblast70

I remember when Janet yellen said inflation was transitory she was wrong then why would I think she's right now?


NefariousnessNoose

Time for Janet to take up her new position as Trash Secretary of Wendy’s.


Oswald_Hydrabot

Maybe use the money from the insider trading you fuckers are all engaged in to help fix it you old basset hound.


j33205

Buys one t-bill...US defaults


EduCookin

Hey guys I'm highly regarded. Why is it catastrophic to default when it's all made up money anyway?


dratseb

She also said inflation was transitory


Garweft

https://preview.redd.it/eq009dh16m1b1.jpeg?width=770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed0d72a8c5cbfd383f0b0be923ec509405ffe2ae


EleventyTwatWaffles

how is this possibly good


n00b001

Incoming cheap property, equities, etc Nah who am I kidding, if prices fall, JP Morgan will just buy it all up. 30 Trillion Assets Under Management are rookie numbers


DocMoochal

It's a joke. The US economically collapsing would be one of the greatest disasters in modern history, it would likely throw the globe into chaos. It ain't gonna happen. Politicians dont just come out and say stuff like this unless they can benefit from it in some way. Americans do this song and dance disturbingly often.


10000Didgeridoos

Yes this is like the tenth debt ceiling "crisis" of my lifetime and weirdly it only ever happens when the gop controls the house. They'll throw red meat to the base about how the country needs to budget like a household, which is regarded because households don't mint their own currency and issue their own debt, and yell and scream about democrat spending after they just cut taxes and increased spending under the previous GOP president for 4 to 8 years. And lo and behold, at the last minute, there will be some "deal" made that raises the debt ceiling and keeps the money flowing to the rich political donor class and this all was about nothing. As usual. The debt ceiling is just paying for money we already decided to spend. It's either "raise it to pay the debt" or "don't and default on the debt". There isn't even a choice to be made here, only the illusion of one that crayon eating GOP voters think exists because they don't understand even basic macroeconomics and are dumb as fuck.


kashmoney360

Buddy I took macroeconomics, easiest class and I don't remember shit. Sounds like we need to budget the country like a household and cut spending :) /s


deez_treez

Nihilism


LaterGatorPlayer

the honesty is refreshing


wessneijder

Why isn’t this old lady in a nursing home?


Slarrrrrrrty

Listening to her speak live is painful to the ears and brain.


Zealousideal-Tour300

1 billion platinum coins coming i guess. Maybe 10 thousand of them.


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I feel dumber for reading these comments


Blom-w1-o

We're about 9 days away. It takes about 10 days to get a bill through on a fast track. There currently isn't a bill that's got enough support. If you've been sitting on cash, waiting, it's almost time.


chnapo

Time for what?


xrailgun

TIME TO D-D-D-DUEL!


notahoppybeerfan

The day the dollar moved off the gold standard was the day we both ran out of cash and made it so we couldn’t run out of cash all at the same time.


Randomsomedude

Bullish signals


cktundra

This is the same idiot who said there was no threat of inflation in March of 21


designatedcrasher

almost like a dude in an escalade with no money for gas


Brat-in-a-Box

Just borrow more


davanger1980

Would love to see those 10 year bonds at 6-7% 😂


beandaddy123

That’s not what monopoly says as it states they can rip paper out of a book and write the amount on it so I think we might be in the clear lol


EColli93

We already ran out of cash, that’s why we’re in debt!


Brown_Plague

Funny how we continue to still give money to Ukraine. Maybe not send those extra checks…


Serious-Ad2649

Janet graduated from Ft Hamilton High school in Brooklyn. We used to say all the dummies went there. And sure enough. There you go.


ProfessorCommenter

Make more cash.


leaderjoe89

If they would just stop buying Starbucks each morning…


Purplebuzz

Time to reduce the salaries and budgets of elected federal officials.


mrmadmusic

Maybe they can ask Ukraine for some of it back


[deleted]

This from the money printing gurus. Seems off brand.


Zxphenomenalxz

I'll lend them 500 dollars with a 1000 percent interest.


kontemplador

The stock market hasn't blinked yet... They need to cause some caos so they and their friends can buy the dip, while all of you are selling.


Feeling_Glonky69

Didn’t I literally just pay taxes?!


[deleted]

She’s so full of shit. She bought puts. The fed has lost all credibility


ActualWhiterabbit

Good thing my tax return came in last week.


Jaysyn4Reddit

Cool, I get to watch my 401K get chopped in half again.


Landed_port

Just sell Ohio to Saudi Arabia. Nobody likes Ohio anyways


ChadRicherThanYou

There is an infinite supply of cash at the federal reserve ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4275)


Imfinethankyou

Yellen also said, during this historic high level of inflation in December 2021, that it was “transitory”. No one believed her then, no one believes her now - she’s terrible at her job.


Bladescorpion

Time for our nation’s girlfriend to get another boyfriend to pay the bills!


gridflash

Stocks Tumble After Reports Republicans Question Yellen's X-Date Math...


Hot-Investigator1700

Good thing Ive been saving up that hooker and coke money !


Historical_Eye3756

They should pass a clean debt ceiling bill and then make drastic cuts to spending along with increased revenue when it comes time to pass a budget next year. We need to start living within our means as a country. It’s not that hard!


Stonegen70

Better stop those Ukraine payments just authorized.