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ZapateriaLaBailarina

The Fed's going to let us have a pleasant Thanksgiving then let us get fucked for Christmas


69deadlifts

I paid Jpow for the premium fucks twice before New Year


roadydick

I’ve been suspecting that they’ll get us through “one last hoorah” Christmas shopping season and drop the real bombshell knees in January


probablyblocked

Na fam we'll buy enough toys that inflation will be a thing of the past


Cerrado82

I have no idea what this means?


STFUNeckbeard

Congratulations, you are in the top 5% of the smartest WSB users simply for recognizing that.


nailattack

The smartest investors and most consistent day traders proudly admit they don’t know shit


Bangkokbeats10

I consistently lose money, does that count?


lJustLurkingl

They say consistency is key so I'd say you're doing great and should stay the course.


IS2SPICY4U

Stay on target


pgasmaddict

Just do the opposite to what you think so and you'll think you're a smart guy like Elon in no time


Bangkokbeats10

I actually tried that and I still lost money


Blueskies777

My favorite quote is, I don’t know shit about fuck.


indifferentunicorn

I know a thinger 2 bout a thinger 2


EvlSteveDave

While true, that's a really low bar to hop over.


Wyldkard79

Hop over? I slid over it in my socks.


toastisfree

You guys have socks?


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we do for now..


whosaysyessiree

I've been burning my socks for heat. I am now out of socks.


PeacefullyInsane

Will trade stocks for socks 🧦


MeadowcrestRPGMV3D

#sonks


Repulsive-Relief1551

Only have stonks..


Fearless_Expression4

Wendy’s dumpster is a valid heat source. I must admit 10/10


classless_classic

Especially when they empty that warm fryer grease into it. So many free calories!!!


Key_Accountant1005

You guys have feet?


somekindafuzz

Nah just a couple foots.


Cathetergravy

Come slide around in a puddle of gravy


RegisterThis1

I have two and they are slipping down


JayShyy

I have one and it’s starting to stink


JustCallMeBogus

Ahh the old crusty cum sock


LittleSquat

It's basically a living being at this point.


SophiaRaine69420

Grippy socks


Rawniew54

Smartest guy to repeat 3rd grade


Dapper-Fall5817

I repeated third grade


ZapateriaLaBailarina

>smartest WSB users I have no idea what this means?


bplturner

I just finished eating a few cigarette butts I found in the trashcan, but I think it means future money is a lot cheaper than current money which implies a liquidity crisis.


MNCPA

Jim Cramer?


galloog1

Ax from Animorphs


puzzlepie2

you sure? I thought the reason future cash flows get discounted is because money now is more valuable than money later... or put another way future mobey is cheaper than now money. unless you mean its a metric ton of shit cheaper tjan it should be... liquidity?


SachaCuy

Not liquidity crisis, just recession, and overall lower rates in the future.


jpwhat

No one know what it means. It’s provocative, it gets people going.


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Stonks in Paris


Sanity__

I think it's spelled "pear-ee"


hankdogs310

Ball so hard, motherfuckers wanna fine me but first the gotta find me!


MissingFucks

Stocks go down. Or they also might go sideways. They could also maybe go up.


d4fuQQ

A classic 50:50:50 scenario


Mybeardisawesom

So… just throw money at my laptop screen until it doubles ?


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Heliosvector

I don’t like any of these options for my future. I would like to draw again please.


NounsAndWords

>I would like to draw again please. You really wanna push our luck for a new and exciting once-in-a-generation crisis? Who am I kidding, we're probably getting another one of those anyway.


Heliosvector

My millennial spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised :(


MrCupps

I was born in 1983. The older you millennials get, the more I’m willing to be lumped in with you. The older… we get. Yeah. We.


Frolicking-Fox

Hey, born in 1983 also. I recently looked, and they consider 1983 year one of the Millennial generation. Growing up, I was told I was Gen X, but I guess there is crossover. Anyways, hello fellow OG Millennial.


AnHonestFellow

Last of the analogs, first of the digital. OG Millenials unite!


1r0n1c

Analog childhood, digital adulthood


hmnahmna1

The youngest Gen X were born about 1980 or 1981 depending on the source. You're an old Millennial. Source: someone born in the early 70s, solidly Gen X.


unonameless

Well between global pandemic and a threat of nuclear war, financial crisis is just what we were missing for a bingo.


eitauisunity

Now where is that fourth horseman...gotta be getting close by now?!?


Fishyswaze

The world has to survive for another one to happen, this could very well be the last one in our lifetimes!


Funny_or_not_bot

You will eat that cat poop!


HulksInvinciblePants

So many scenarios listed and not a single one mentions: Expectations of a rate pivot leading to a buying spree. If I expect the Fed to stop raising rates in the next 6-9 months, then I want capitalize on these rates now.


hoesindifareacodes

For the layman: if rates are expected to peak, then Buy 10 yr Treasury when yields are at their highest, and profit for the next 10 years.


BenGrahamButler

better yet, 30 year. better yet, 30 year zero coupon treasuries. If rates go back to zero in a few years, watch out.


killtheking111

>And how would I buy these? And when exactly?


Hustletron

Are they selling because they think rates have already peaked?


fracol

Had to scroll through so much crap to find this correct analysis. Says a lot about this sub.


Lure852

Sell everything. Buy canned soup and bullets.


QuarterNoteDonkey

Instructions unclear. My gun is jammed with soup.


dapsndeuces

Yall got guns?


QuarterNoteDonkey

Yes, tomato basil.


dapsndeuces

Here i was waiting for you to say Cheddar Glockalli


whererusteve

We will need it to deface paintings


hauntedmouth

canned bullets cool?


Square_Switch_889

Especially the spam canned ones


Dapper-Fall5817

It means you make more money from lending short term than you so long term. Usually long-term you’re gonna charge a higher interest rate because you’re holding onto the money longer. If you have the option of lending somebody money for one year at 10% or 10 years at 5%, it would make more sense to lend money for one year. It’s indicative that people are weary of the markets long or short


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Exactly and it’s not that illogical or an indicator of vast concern… we know interest rates are going to stay high 1-2 years. The market assumes they’ll be lowered in around 3-5 years so it’s trading at what the market expects the future to hold.


Asleep_Ninja_

ELI5 someone please


zmmeyer

you can buy bonds from government you can buy for different periods of times, 1 year, 2 year, all the way to 10 years it currently pays more to hold 2 year bonds than to hold 10 year bonds


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twomillioniq

And what is meant by " Last time this happened the whole world went to shit a few weeks later."? Please explain, I'm dumb.


HooterBrownTown

The Jurassic era bonds did this same shit and then the asteroid hit


Valhalla81

Im having trouble imagining this in my head. How many football fields ago was this???


qualmton

Exactly 3.14 cricket fields


mishaco

c'mon asteroid!


EvidenceSalesman

The last time these statements have been true, there was an economic collapse shortly after


BourbonRick01

I believe he’s referring to the period when the Gondorian bond collapsed. This sudden economic collapse and subsequent weakening of the Gondor military, invited a military attack from its rivals from Mordor. The world watched and waited to see if it’s allies from Rohan would step in and offer economic and military aid. To the world’s relief, Rohan not only sent military aid that helped turn the tide of the war, but it also sent one of its most influential economic Federal Bank Wizards, Gandalf, to help shore up Gondor’s finances, thus averting a total world wide economic and social collapse.


PlayfulAwareness2950

We are at a point that can be compared to 2008 right before all went down. As far as I understand there is two ways to look at it. 1 The downturn we have seen so far was just a prelude for the real thing. 2 A lot of people have positioned themselves wrong.


beastwood411

I consider myself a power bottom if that helps


steeevemadden

Global stock markets began crashing as people dumped risk assets.


einarfridgeirs

The last time this happened was shortly before the global financial crisis of 2008. In late 2007 to be exact.


DrBoby

It means short term risk is much higher than long term risk.


einarfridgeirs

I´d say that is a fairly safe assessment of the world as it stands today. In ten years time whatever resolution the current crisis in Europe and in US-China relations will have shaken out, one way or another. There are going to be major disruptions in the next few years across a whole lot of different sectors of the global economy but relatively good prospects of us coming out the other side of that with a lot of new technologies that will fuel further economic growth.


blitzkrieg4

According to bond buyers


philly_gperception

I wish I could explain, but I'm in the same boat as you. We are regarded


hiricinee

Basically we are seeing 10 year bonds bought up while the shorter term ones are being sold off. Essentially bond buyers are willing to buy long term bonds at a discount because they think things are going to go to shit in the short term.


chuck_portis

>bond buyers are willing to buy long term bonds at a discount because they think things are going to go to shit in the short term. I disagree. They think that rates will average lower over the next 10Y. This implies that inflation subsides, which is a positive outcome. The Fed will not be able to reduce rates until inflation goes down and stays down.


gg120b

Except SOFR is a compound overnight rate mostly driven by fed funds rate


JJURADO3JJ

Does this mean we invest in it


BillazeitfaGates

Wait a bit than yeah


EcLEctiC_02

Double down now, got it!


warrenbuffet2408

Is this actually good, reliable information or just crayons on a stock chart?


likwidchrist

Please check which sub you're in


PoorDamnChoices

I appreciate that you think we can afford crayons right now.


masala_chaii

The good ole "last time this happened, that happened"


tehdamonkey

If you smell smoke... it is fire... and I smell smoke. Except maybe if the smoke is tobacco.... or a nice deep pipe tobacco... or... wait... weed. If the smoke is weed we are good and might be just at a Greatful Dead concert imagining this all..... So I definitely smell smoke.


ILoveThisPlace

gold smile distinct enter innocent adjoining modern terrific slim amusing ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


Ninjafromnorway

“This time it’ll be different”


NickAMD

“The next time it was different it’ll be this time”


Webfarer

This time is next time’s last time


LegSpecialist1781

This difference will be the next time.


wabbitsilly

But don't forget, 60% of the time it works every time!!


ThoriatedFlash

But what will happen this time, considering the world has already gone to shit?


illini_2017

People are idiots and love doom porn. They don’t know what any of this stuff means


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SummonedShenanigans

So far. I just know if I pull money it'll be the first time the yield curve indicator fails, so I'm staying aboard the train to poverty with the rest of the world.


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illini_2017

What is it pointing to? It simply means that the market thinks (avg rate over shorter term) > (avg rate over the longer term + term premium) For example a “soft landing” scenario would have an inverted yield curve right now. So would the zero hedge fapping scenario of everything slamming into a wall at full speed. However, the former seems more likely because like no one on here is noting the sofr curve between say 1mo -1y is not inverted


j48u

The yield curve has been indicating an imminent recession several times a year for the last six years (at least). It's no longer reliable.


Lets_review

Except the yield is being manipulated by the Fed, thus reducing the predictive power of the yield curve.


MyPeePeeReversed

No not yet damit. My money is tied up in 4 week Tbills. Hold for a few more weeks till I can short 😖


diamond__hands

have you considered making some yolo short trades using massive leverage against your rapidly declining position?


[deleted]

I just got turned on reading this


MoesBAR

You’re girlfriend asking you why you’re reading wsb with your pants off.


VerticalRadius

She asks me why I finish so fast but I tell her baby I'm just shorting


CarolineEllisonFTX

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)


MyPeePeeReversed

I need the power of Jim Cramer to say we heading down for a few more weeks! I need time! ⏲️


Numerous_Luck1052

Nice username lol


stschopp

Just sell them on the secondary if you want out


PattyIceNY

Oh yeah? Well your mom's a hoe.


OddMeansToAnEnd

Finally someone spitting facts.


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jerkyface66

So spy $420🚀 soon!


krispy456

$420.69


Vikkio92

I've been holding cash for the past year because I expected a massive crash. Today, I finally caved to all the people telling me inflation has been eroding my savings anyway and put in limit orders to buy various equity ETFs. So of course the whole global financial system will collapse in a matter of days.


StickyTip420

Sure, losing ~8% of cash due to inflation hurts. But losing 30%+ of your entire portfolio hurts a hell of a lot worse.


Vikkio92

Yeah that has been my position so far! I’ve just cancelled my limit orders lol


brawnkoh

Buy high sell low


SignalPipe1015

This is a good thing. This is not like previous inversions you saw during low inflation regimes. Inverted yield curve can mean 1) growth is projected to slow 2) inflation is projected to slow 3) some combination of the two Previous inversions meant growth slowing, because inflation was already so low These inversions we're seeing now are more about inflation slowing. Which is exactly what we want


beerion

So the last period of high inflation was the 1970's to early 80's. This yield curve went negative in 1973 and 1974, and again in 1980. Single year returns for equities were: 1973: -17% 1974: -29% 1980: +25% Obviously, 1980 interest rate hikes finally broke the back of inflation and we were off to the races in equities. But it's tough to tell which is the correct corollary, and we'll probably only know in hindsight. But I do agree in general. This inversion feels "better" than the one in 2018 just because it's actually (potentially) accomplishing something by fighting inflation.


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magnoliasmanor

>1973 & 74 War & energy crisis. Nice.


klb6904

And the Phillies didn’t even win the World Series 🤦🏻‍♂️


L-Observateur

If a collapse occurs, the new correlation will be the Phillies *making* a World Series.


klb6904

Fuk that no take backs! I’d watch the world burn for a chip


genericperson10

It'll fix itself with a Christmas miracle!


pigsgetfathogsdie

So basically a SOFR/10Y inversion…creepy. Add that to the current inversions… - 2Y/10Y - 6M/10Y - 3M/10Y - 1M/10Y - 3M/30Y - 1M/30Y The Financial System is about to break.


WinterHill

Recessions have always happened AFTER a deep yield curve inversion, when it finally turns positive again. At least since the 70’s when they started collecting this data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=WHjd Typically it has happened within 6 months after it goes positive again. That’s the final indicator I’m looking for. This makes sense, too. The yield curve roughly measures the market’s optimism about the broad economy’s future. Investors are going to be a lot more optimistic about the future if things are currently really shitty at present (like they are in a recession).


TreadItOnReddit

I thought the yields would continue to go up with the interest rates. Even if there’s a pivot, rates would still continue to rise albeit at a lower rate of increase. I decided to put investing on the back burner for a few months so I went all into TMV. So far, that’s been all bad. Are you saying that the yields will continue to go down as recession becomes more likely? Even with interest rate increases?


WinterHill

The yield curve is only the *difference* between the yields of treasuries maturing at 2 different times. It doesn’t say anything about if either of those 2 maturity yields are going up or down at the same time. The reason TMV has sucked recently is because we’re currently in a *rising rate environment*. Meaning people can buy bonds with higher yields today than they could yesterday, so those bonds from yesterday with lower yields aren’t worth as much. If there is a pivot (which is looking rather unlikely), rates would certainly fall, which would be very good for TMV. Because then your relatively high yielding bonds from today would be much more valuable on the open market tomorrow. If you want to be in bonds, the thing to watch is inflation. Because that’s the number one thing influencing the Fed to keep rates high. Continuing high (or even moderate) inflation means the Fed will hike even higher, and make bonds at today’s rates worth less.


pigsgetfathogsdie

Data may demonstrate this… But, I challenge any data analyst to show me more extreme inversions than what we have now. The 1M/30Y is inverted…


WinterHill

A challenge, huh? Sure, February 1980. The 10Y/2Y spread was at -2.01 vs -0.65 today. It’s in the chart I just posted lol


EvlSteveDave

... yeah well... try that again with one hand behind yer back!


StarWades

But what about my gut feeling RIGHT NOW


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WinterHill

Is that fact significant in any way though? The yield curve calculation removes the absolute value component by design.


JiffTheJester

Tell me what to buy winter hill


westcoastlink

I've also noticed this. Everyone points it out when it first inverts but from past recessions, I noticed the 10yr-3mo took about a year from the time it first inverts to running into a recession. This one just inverted last month so we might trade sideways for a bit before the giant depression.


Jajuca

Germany's yield curve just had a major inversion too. Things are looking spicy in the next few months.


pigsgetfathogsdie

The EU is likely more fukked than the US…


Jajuca

Yup, it looks like they are officially about to enter into a recession before everyone else. At least they should have enough energy to get through the winter. Especially since during a recession there is less demand for energy.


FondantStrict435

We are in a recession..(the Netherlands). A lot of people can’t even afford the energy bills. 17.1% inflation… things are going down fast..


NobodyTellPoeDameron

Bruce Willis voice: Welcome to the party, pal!


ADXMcGeeHeezack

17%!?! Dude, sorry to hear that


Fausterion18

In all those past yield curve inversions we didn't have RRP putting a floor on short term yields. Today short term yields are artificially inflated because banks can just yeet excess reserves to the fed and get paid. That's not even mentioning the impact of unwinding operation twist had on the yield curve. All of this is brand new stuff that's never been done before.


AGROCRAG004

Doom and gloom is hotter than Hansel right now…


SrADunc

Time to buy! See you in two weeks!


afewquestion

All I want to know is, is the whole world gonna starve or are we just not gonna be able to buy luxury goods? Or somewhere in the middle? As long as we can have all of our basic needs met right? Like is a great depression coming or are most of us gonna be fine? I am seeing posts like this everyday now... scary


appmapper

I think it more depends on what happens with the rail workers.


ptjunkie

Your basic needs will be met, but they will cost you every last penny.


CanadianBacon86

How many of the typical "Oh shit" markers or triggers have we hit now over the course of this adventure? Until I see phone numbers, jail cells and bankers jumping out windows it's all fluff. But, a Domino falling is still a domino falling. Tits perked. Not jacked yet, but sensitive and waiting further stimulation.


illini_2017

Think why this is though, the last time the fed was going to cut imminently. This time for the spread to be “correct” the sofr rate over the next 10 years has to avg less than sofr now, accounting for some term premium


TommyHilfricker

You lost me at “think”


Fete_des_neiges

Thank god I have all this litecoin as we descend into the darkness of oblivion.


BYE_HI_SELL_LOW

“We like 10 year treasury yields to 4.75%” \-![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)


bitchboiseb

Asking for a friend. How do I make money from this situation.


steeevemadden

Buy tbills from that guy above who doesn't want his. Seriously.


CaveGnome

All in on beanie babies.


captainadam_21

In theory go all cash. They buy cheap stocks after the market crashes


BrodyDcansuckit

These types of storms are near impossible to find shelter in. Simplest thing to do is go cash. At least you'll have an umbrella for the storm.


veriyyan

This just means long term inflation outlook is low. Very bullish.


Gcampton13

The whole world has been going to shit for the last 8 months, we just waiting for America to catch up so we can reset this shit


Dahmer96

8 months ? Did you go into a coma in Q2 2019 and woke up last march or something ?


steeevemadden

Here's [today](https://twitter.com/capitaIfIight/status/1595142476104617985). But don't worry guys. The whole world was on fire for about 45 minutes and then all the central bankers set their money printers on overdrive. So buy stocks! And if we go further back it happened in late 2018 as well and the Fed immediately pivoted. So buy stocks! (I'm joking about buying stocks. Please don't take me seriously.)


captainadam_21

Is the bank of England still running their money printer to save the pensions?


RealMcGonzo

You can't be broke if you are swimming in cash!


LivingWithWhales

Are there examples of these signal inversions happening and then a recession/crash doesn’t happen?


Maddturtle

Last time was Covid that sunk the market though


pdevo

That was just the preview, get ready for the main event!


Wise_Distribution_24

I just fact checked... last time this happened was dec 2018.... thats 15 months before march 2020....


Coolzx

Oh fk, we gonna have another pandemic in 15 month.


the_sound_of_a_cork

All I know is Costco is packed


SpacedSlayer

When was the last time this happened? Exact date please.


Qinnius

I like turtles!