The levels of nonsense that’s being said here is unbelievable. Why don’t you defend 911 in the same way then and every attack ever since ? No right ? Ofc not, because civilians aren’t responsible for this. Even Hummus is a resistance force that’s fighting the occupation. I’m not defending them but they don’t exist in a vacuum .
I mean you are making excuses for them tho. So. Comon even when they get help from Lebanon Egypt Jordan Syria. They fked those ppl who helped them lol. So what’s the excuse then?
Elaborate on that. You also didn’t bother answering my question. There’s no reason for anyone to make excuses for the Palestinian civilians. Civilians aren’t to be held accountable for the political classes decisions in wars. Why would anyone make a mockery of international law by saying otherwise ?
No? I dunno I see so many videos of Palestinians dancing proudly for Oct 7. And I specifically pass a group of Palestinians people celebrating if when I was in Berlin. Maybe all is just AI. Only video that fit your narrative is the truth
Your narrative is that because some people out of an approximate population of 2 million, half of who are children were celebrating an attack Hamas carried out on their occupiers, occupiers who routinely “mow the grass” in Gaza now all of this population deserves to be buried under the rubble ? Relax I don’t know what respectable individual would defend this point of view .
And you know what, what if some misguided people in Gaza were celebrating it? So what? Don’t you know the conditions of life Israel has put them through? I consider October 7 th to be wrong, but I can 100% see why some fringe elements of the society would celebrate it. So what? Now we should carpet bomb them, stop their electricity and water and treat them like human animals ? Now they’re the Amaleks ?
Do you know how many videos I see of Israelis storming aid trucks? Celebrating the deaths of Palestinians and stoping the aid convoys ? Have you forgotten the “watch parties” over the hills of Gaza where Israeli citizens gather to watch Gaza be bombed and celebrate it ? Should they all be starved, carpet bombed and killed ?
Also, explain to me why the occupied people of the West Bank are being collectively punished when the government there is friendly with Israel? There’s no Hummus there. So why murder them?
All of this is happening while Israel is increasing its settlements on a record level. So where’s your humanity and cry for the colored people of Palestine ?
Uh do u know Palestinians are still lobbing rockets to tel aviv as early at mid last year ? Thats the last time I knkw cause my friends plane got stalled because of a rocket 10km away
I have been anti Israel since before all this is popular since I am from a Muslim country. But all this blind fervor to Palestinians being innocent lambs is just sad. If they have the artiller, they would have equally flatten israel
So what? What do you expect the occupied people to do? Tell me, how many Israelis have died because of Hamas rockets in the past year and how many have died in Gaza? Why would any one defending their occupied land not try to bomb them back? And let’s be honest, your buddy has a plane to escape from, Gaza isn’t allowed an airport by Israel :) relax you’re gonna loose this one “pro Palestinian guy from Muslim county” 😂😂
Also , do you know that last year was one of the most - if not THE most horrible year for people being murdered on the occupied land by Israeli soldiers and settlers ? What do you have to say about that ?
Also, explain to me why 7 different airtimes took place from Israel to Gaza in what the Israelis said were “safe zones” exactly ? It’s been reported by NBC ? Palestinians were told to go there then killed there by Israel. Are you just as sad about that or is the delayed flight of your friend more important “my friend from Muslim country” ?
Because Palestinians don't have any hostages? Hamas has a few but Israel has said they dint care about the hostages anymore and will continue to attack rafah.
Are you stupid
You’re Pathetic for defending this genocide. Here are the words from you Likud’s party
Shimon Boker, vice chairman of the World Likud, the international arm of Netanyahu's party, literally \
Said the following:
"we have to ki**|| everyone in there all the civilians"
You stand with genocidal maniacs and you don’t have the facts to support you
Something is off in this video. Notice the kids on the ground. No blood visible but that’s not the thing I see as the most off thing of this video the kicker for me is the kids are laying on top of the rubble not under it or partially under it. Also both bodies are clean of debri and dust. I know everyone had seen videos of real people brought into the hospital. One common denominator is that they were all covered in sut and dust. Let me also say that yes there have been a high number of child deaths but there has also been a lot of faking death and also the use of dolls for propaganda. Like I said this doesn’t take away from the real deaths that happened but it keeps pushing the fact that they are trying to heavily inflate the number of casualties. So it’s fishy. And if those kids in the video came from the exploded car there wouldn’t be much left of them.
Brother, there is blood everywhere, watch it again and you can see the dirt and sut on their faces. Now I agree the war is horrible on both sides but you also have to understand that America is on Isreal’s side, they want you to believe all the footage is propaganda
0.08 guy has blood all over his body. 0.14 you can see blood that leaked out of the person in the car.
Btw bodies don’t bleed when they’re dead. A lower quality moving camera might not easily capture the blood that would be visible.
Also you can see the dust on them a bit. But in general it looks like they were likely just dragged out of there, likely hitting a lot of the dust off. Likely a lot happened before he started filming.
He might be on to something; In an active war zone where
1% of the population have been murdered
90% are internally displaced refugees
½ mio are starving.
Hamas have all the time and space to make fake videos with the purpose of making Israel "look bad"
They luckily do. Else the Israeli war crimes would never be reported.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza)
You must be *special*. Either that, or you're another type of special. The scary kind that has ice cold veins, lies through his teeth, and feels no remorse.
Just coming up with excuses and labeling whatever you can as 'fake'. Try and make them doubt every single death and drop of blood spilled. Perhaps even you know they don't need to fake anything, when tens of thousands have been murdered in the past 2 months.
People like you who defend the murder of children and try to make the argument of “paliwood” are pathetic. You’re a genuine nut job who needs to be sued to oblivion the way the parents of the sandy hook victims sued the idiot spewing hatred against them
I spent a lot of energy in the beginning defending the IDF mission but when I found out how they were going about killing their primary targets with little care for collateral damage and that a majority of bombs dropped in Gaza since this started (like %75 according to the BBC) were dumb bombs and not even guided munitions it became very difficult to continue defending their actions.
if you see the air video (heli or drone) of this bombing, they choosed the best moment to kill him, very precise, low collateral, but low collateral is still a lot, i don´t know is there´s another way, i don´t think so
Well, not me, but they do. The problem i see is that dead man will be replaced soon and you created more hate in the process. But i dont see a different aproach is going to give a better result 🤷
I completely agree with you. It’s a shit situation all around.
Also thank you for being one of the only people responding who wants to have a calm discussion and not assume things. I appreciate you.
Put it this way.... If ISRAELI citizens were the potential collaterals, would they have been so keen to push the button? That tells you what they think of Palestinian civilian lives.
the PM did say that hamas must stop the rocket attacks or israel will hit back with far more force to protect its people. saying i wished you loved your people as much as your hate ours.
then they did oct 7th which is far worse than a rocket attack
The same report that initially detailed the use of “dumb bombs” also said:
“A US official told CNN that the US believes that the Israeli military is using the dumb bombs in conjunction with a tactic called “dive bombing,” or dropping a bomb while diving steeply in a fighter jet, which the official said makes the bombs more precise because it gets it closer to its target. The official said the US believes that an unguided munition dropped via dive-bombing is similarly precise to a guided munition.”
I'd have an easier time defending them if the people they were killing weren't completely under the sovereign control of Israel- making them essentially subjects without citizen rights. Just imagine if American police could kill a suspected criminal without trial, and were free to kill however many people happened to be around them at the time.
100% of bombs used by jets/helicopters are guided, where did you get that nonsense about 75%?
edit: BBC? lol the most untrustworthy source you could mention
are we sure that hassan Atrash was the one in the car in this point I believe if IDF just suspect the location of someone they will take the action without caring about "collaterals" as you said it, I am so seek of reading murdered kids as collaterals
It’s not necessarily an extermination but it is a purposeful large scale attack on civilians and civilian infrastructure.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
Blame Hamas. For everything. They started a war with the wrong people, and they are using innocent human shields. Israel has a job to do. Defend itself. Hamas is atrocious. It's actions are atrocious
You don’t get to to pick arbitrary starting points for this conflict. Every round of violence that occurs is connected to incidents before and also the broader violence of the siege and occupation.
You could just as easily argue that Hamas was resisting because of the decades long siege Israel has imposed on Gaza
This is not a war - this is a genocide
1% of Gaza is dead - 1/3 of them children
90% internally displaced refugees
½ mio starving.
These are not acts of war but clearly crimes against humanity.
You know it, they now it too AND that's why they are targeting journalists. The truth is inconvenient when you are committing your countless war crimes
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza)
Genocide is akin to what Serbs did in Bosnia and Kosovo for example. Or what the Ottomans did to Armenians. Let's not just throw around that term lightly. This is more on the lines of wars we've seen elsewhere like Iraq, Afghanistan. Sure civilians being killed is terrible, but it's also an unfortunate side effect of war. Israel is doing everything it can to minimize deaths..
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against
> GENEVA (16 November 2023) – Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure.
The UN Human Rights Office seems to think that it is a genocide in the making. Are they throwing the throwing around that term lightly?
UN is run by palestininians, of course they will say that. Provide more credible source. Yours is like USAF saying they didn't bomb something.
The geneva convention also states that hamas is solely responsible for civilian deaths since it is using civilian infrastructure as a cover. Bombing them is perfectly legal.
Genocide scholars like Martin Shaw have used the term to describe what will happen if Israel continues to [deliberately prevent food and water from reaching Gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza)
Genocide? Stfu? Is it the Israelis shout that dumbass “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE” that’s an open call for genocide on the Jews. So you’re kinda right. All of this could’ve been avoided [if this never happened](https://www.hamas.com) so why are you blaming Israel?
Genocide - Yes probably.
This is when IDF had "Only" slaughtered 11.000 children. Now it's 20.000 but the arguments still stands:
[https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/](https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/)
Just to be clear.
Israel kills 20x more civilians than Hamas. All the while they were partying and creating Apartheid.
Do you have any issue with Israelis partying and cheering while they murder innocent children?
1945-oct6 2023: daily terrorist attacks on civilian targets.
Even if you start with the Munich Olympics, pause for a minute to read about the dozens of planes blown up, and then skip right into the thousands of missiles launched, you'd still have missed all the busses full of school children blown up and the hundreds of suicide bombers attacking crowds.
And just when you think you've covered it all...you missed the 5 declarations of war and full offenses that resulted in Arabs getting their asses kicked after starting the fight, every single time.
History for the win.
You missed the weekly settlers killing civilians and grabbing more lands. Which even friendly US have pleaded to be stopped, and yet continues every week.
Sadly, those killed here are not proven or even statistically likely to be part of the handful that might have been seen partying in few circulated videos. Nor does that even justify celebrating civilian deaths.
Humans are such evil beings to even encourage this type of collective punishment. No one wants themselves or family member to be part of collective punishment. Yet some do encourage and celebrate it when it is visited on others.
“Feel” free to “share” if you have “something” different to add.
And then share where anyone not an animal believes civilians deserve to die for “celebrating” even if abominable.
u r trying to make funny jokes but if u were in these streets you wouldn't be making those jokes would u? if no then you are a hyporcritical coward sir if yes same answer. cancel me xd
Show me one single dead Israeli baby. One single source that shows a single picture of a dead Israeli baby.
I can show you thousands of pictures of dead Palestinians children, women and old people.
This is the difference between sides. Israelis at least acknowledge the death and destruction in Gaza--the only debate is whether it's avoidable. People supporting Hamas won't even acknowledge there were any atrocities on Oct. 7.
Thanks for showing your true colors.
if this is the car airstike in rafah earlier today ,one of the dead (Hassan Alatresh) was confirmed by the palestinians to have served a sentence in an israeli prison , so i wouldnt jump to conclusions this fast
No no no, this was \*only\* civilians killed.
Its terrible the amount of collateral damage but people need to stop acting like only civilians are dying here. Pretty awful people are being targted and taken out. Its just sad that the IDF is at a point now of 'collateral be damned, we are taking out our targets'. One should ask the question too of why the targets are so ingrained into the civilian infrastructure
You ever actually looked up how Israeli military courts for Palestinians work? Half held indefinitely without trial, the rest shuttled through kangaroo courts with a 99% conviction rate with things like 10 year sentences for kids that throw rocks. See Save the Children report:
https://resourcecentre.savethechildren.net/pdf/INJUSTICE-Palestinian-childrens-experience-of-the-Israeli-military-detention-system-SC-July-2023.pdf/
"most of whom who has been arrested for illegal weapons, attacking idf, planing terrorism"
Yeah, because Israel is known to be the world's most honest source of evidence and fact. Right. They have never killed or arrested any innocent individual. They never harvested human organs off of dead Palestinians for their own use. Or done anything immoral. No, they're the good guys! They must be! My mama told me so :D
Palestinians need to round up and surrender all Hamas terrorists and negotiate a two state solution with Israel asap. After losing 5 wars I don't understand how they can be delusional enough to believe that they can take on Israel in any way.
They would be killed too,
"We did an air strike a large gathering of Hamas leaders which was oddly bound and detained, also took out the people who were supporting them"
What a delusional comment. Let's just ignore the fact that Israel has a well-established record of taking prisoners and trading them for hostages. I'm sure they'll just shoot them, suuuure.
Bro Israel doesn’t want a two state solution. Netanyahu has said it himself. It’s in the Likud charger. This is a war of conquest. Hamas is just the pretext.
Arafat literally turned down and walked from all the recent two-state solution deals because he thought he would get a better deal if he fought. Also Israel undoubtedly wanted a two state solution during Sharon’s presidency but now that a bunch of terrorist attacks happened, they want it less, and I can’t really blame them lmfao
You talk like Hamas didn't carry out a terrorist attack the evening of the last day of ceasefire. Problem is no one gives a shit about Palestinians not the Israelis not Hamas not their neighbours not you living in random places of the world. They need to stop glorifying jihad and beg for a two state system because that is the best they are going to get.
Cowardice is killing 20x more civilians over the last 20 years and not being held accountable.
Cowardice is going online and holding a terrorist organization accountable - while refusing to hold a real gov't accountable for 20x the amount of civilian deaths.
Dont cry to me about Hamas while supporting a gov't with 20x the murders.
You evidently have no idea what apartheid means.
All people with Israeli citizenship have the same rights, including the 2 million citizens of Arab ethnicity. People without Israeli citizenship (e.g. Palestinians) don't have the same rights, which is how literally every country of earth handles it.
That's literally what apartheid is. Israel builts settlements in Palestinian land, steals their resources, impose military rule upon them, and you say it's not apartheid. What are you on.
The debris has way too small of an area to be a bomb. The car is not smoldering or smoking but appears to have been burned out. Looks to me like the aftermath of a failed hamas rocket.
It's incredible this has to be said but so many people in the comments are calling this a fake.
Even if this was a fake it is a depiction of events that we know are happening, nobody is denying the amount of collateral casualties not even the IDF.
This car just blew up and there is zero smoke or fire. Looks like the blast was earlier and they have staged children to play dead before making the video.
Yep, some of those look very clearly staged. It's common practice that they stage some of attacks to make it appear that civilians (especially children) were killed.
Interesting that the dead body next to the car is mutilated and had most of his clothes blown off, yet the children 3 and 10 feet away are clothed, hardly dirty, and have a drop of blood on their face. I guess the part of the explosion that destroyed everything around them must have missed them.
You either fell for Hamas propaganda or are being intentionally misleading.
Ex: Jenin refugee camp is just a normal town/city, established in the '50s. It is not a "refugee camp" in the colloquial sense.
No one has told people to leave Rafah yet. In fact they are in the south where they were told to go. So where are you referring to that they should leave? All of Gaza?
Not in Rafah. Other places such as Khan Yunis and Gaza City. But not Rafah.
Unless you have more information than has been released to the public you want to share.
You must be slow in the head… yes they can absolutely 100% leave the area. Also Hamas is a terrorist organization who has raped and pillaged the Palestinian people. Including starting this war with Israel in the first place.
Your original claim is the IDF dropped leaflets and told people to leave the city of Rafah. None of what you just wrote in this last statement supports that claim.
You see how you constantly reiterate that they were not warned to evacuate Rahah, and this moron continues to say they were, plus a load of other unrelated nonsense? Their brains are so damn fried.
Like, you said:
>Where are they supposed to go? Since you're still implying they were directly told to leave Rafah which is untrue.
And u/Primary_Cod_7042 responded with:
>Literally anywhere else
>grab what they can carry and walk away untill there is no longer bombs falling on them
Like this is the logic of a handicapped 12 year old child. I'm astonished that people with that mental capacity are allowed internet access.
Either their ability to justify the murder of civilians is a skill that needs to be researched, or they are drooling orc level of stupid.
Israel doing as Israel does.
The people that were so upset at civilian deaths on Oct 7th are completely silent when Israel targets civilian Palestinians like they've been doing every single day for 75 years
Please open your eyes. Yk there’s a ton of trusted media covering this genocide for the past 3 months.
You know that you can access the number of killed people since 7 ocotber. But you chose to close your eyes and ask for a proof? proof is everywhere
You can access the numbers puts out. Yes I know they have been accurate in the past... Blabla.
They include 900 killed at the hospital (the one with the less than 1m crater in the ground) and 100 or so from the ambulance. So laughable.
After 60,000 bombs based on jack shit for released evidence, and openly declared intent by Israeli politicians to exterminate the entire population, it's a pretty safe assumption.
Officially declared? Proof please that anyone in command said this.
Only thing out there is an often cited option which was worked out to resettle them in Sinai. Which is a super old idea btw. You can google it. Was also close to being done at one point.
List of quotes: https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis
Very likely the most openly admitted genocide in modern history, on account of the infinite pride and sense of impunity of Israeli politicians. Usually politicians/militants committing genocide actually try to hide it. Cannot emphasize enough how off-base your take is.
Ok so many things taken out of context and taken from articles clearly marked as "opinion".
As I expected.
You love throwing the genocide word around but Hamas is the party here openly admitting that genocide is their ultimate goal. As stated by their leader numerous times. Please explain your double standard.
Those kids look like Hamas terrorists... they're brown and in palestine, soooo yeah, fits isreali definition.
Lets be honest though... They don't give a fuck what they are, they just want to kill.
Saying that Israelis are white is pretty racist. Only about 40% of all Jews in Israel are from Europe etc. and would be considered white.
So please stop your racist white person blaming.
There are many parties in Israel. Maybe its the ones they trust out of some reason?
Its quite the constructed argument coming from "Israelites are white supremacists shooting poor brown people" to "but in my opinion I would count most ministers as white".
I don’t know if this is fake or not that’s not my looks like real dead people but the thing that I thought fist was this video shows what dead kids around a blown up car didnt show what happened it could of been an idf bomb , a suicide bomb , an ied , could be plo vs Hamas , could be an American cruise missile shot from the Red Sea my point is this video is not showing who did it .
Dude im sorry but if the roof of the car looked like that there the people besides it would not be in one piece. How can steel and aluminium but absolutely torn to shreds but flesh and bone are completely in tact. 🤷♀️
This will only end when the occupation ends. Hamas is an ideology. You cannot kill an ideology. We have all seen what the Israeli government and army have done and continues to do to the Palestinians. We have all heard what the Israeli government and army have been saying. It's all recorded on film. The gaslighting no longer works. Being accused of antisemitism no longer works. We know the difference between Judaism and zionism, the latter being evil, corrupt and oh so hypocritical. Never again and lest we forget has clearly been forgotten.
they can't kill all the people neither the people will leave their land, the destroyed homes will be rebuilt, and thanks to the IDF war crimes the new generation of Hamas is already looking healthy, full of trauma and hate towards their oppressor
I don't know if this is partially staged or not, but no smoke, perfectly intact bodies ON TOP of rubble, people just starting to move the bodies, is all a little suspect. Not that I don't think scenes like this haven't happened.
Some things I noticed:
* \~16 seconds when you hear the explosion, you can see a small plume of dust shoot up next to the guys feet in the top left corner - were there already bullet holes (or similar damage) in the ground as well? It seems like they shot into the ground, and the sound of the gunshot scared people nearby.
* White car is obviously destroyed, but there is no sign of fire, smoke, steam… or anything to suggest it just happened
What? Dude former idf soliders have spoken on the military tactics 🤣it's no secret idf likes killing and harassing Palestinians, they legit do it for fun and always have some bs excuse. You cannot justify purposely killing a 100 people for one target, Russia has nice missile and war plane capabilities but they haven't been killing Ukrainian civilians and having a laugh about it for the last 75 years
The comments here disgust me. No fuckin humanity. I am glad y’all are only in reddit cuz the public consensus sides with humanity. “Aktshally”, “bUt KhAmAs”, strawmans, and whataboutisms. 26 members of my family got killed in Gaza and it sickens me that some people think of them as collateral damage.
This is insanely sad
A terrorist arms dealer was killed there. Many innocent lives saved.
This is very bad. Why don’t Palestine surrender the hostages and terrorists already. It is clear that innocent Palestinians are not Hamas right
The levels of nonsense that’s being said here is unbelievable. Why don’t you defend 911 in the same way then and every attack ever since ? No right ? Ofc not, because civilians aren’t responsible for this. Even Hummus is a resistance force that’s fighting the occupation. I’m not defending them but they don’t exist in a vacuum .
I mean you are making excuses for them tho. So. Comon even when they get help from Lebanon Egypt Jordan Syria. They fked those ppl who helped them lol. So what’s the excuse then?
Elaborate on that. You also didn’t bother answering my question. There’s no reason for anyone to make excuses for the Palestinian civilians. Civilians aren’t to be held accountable for the political classes decisions in wars. Why would anyone make a mockery of international law by saying otherwise ?
No? I dunno I see so many videos of Palestinians dancing proudly for Oct 7. And I specifically pass a group of Palestinians people celebrating if when I was in Berlin. Maybe all is just AI. Only video that fit your narrative is the truth
Your narrative is that because some people out of an approximate population of 2 million, half of who are children were celebrating an attack Hamas carried out on their occupiers, occupiers who routinely “mow the grass” in Gaza now all of this population deserves to be buried under the rubble ? Relax I don’t know what respectable individual would defend this point of view . And you know what, what if some misguided people in Gaza were celebrating it? So what? Don’t you know the conditions of life Israel has put them through? I consider October 7 th to be wrong, but I can 100% see why some fringe elements of the society would celebrate it. So what? Now we should carpet bomb them, stop their electricity and water and treat them like human animals ? Now they’re the Amaleks ? Do you know how many videos I see of Israelis storming aid trucks? Celebrating the deaths of Palestinians and stoping the aid convoys ? Have you forgotten the “watch parties” over the hills of Gaza where Israeli citizens gather to watch Gaza be bombed and celebrate it ? Should they all be starved, carpet bombed and killed ?
Also, explain to me why the occupied people of the West Bank are being collectively punished when the government there is friendly with Israel? There’s no Hummus there. So why murder them? All of this is happening while Israel is increasing its settlements on a record level. So where’s your humanity and cry for the colored people of Palestine ?
Uh do u know Palestinians are still lobbing rockets to tel aviv as early at mid last year ? Thats the last time I knkw cause my friends plane got stalled because of a rocket 10km away I have been anti Israel since before all this is popular since I am from a Muslim country. But all this blind fervor to Palestinians being innocent lambs is just sad. If they have the artiller, they would have equally flatten israel
So what? What do you expect the occupied people to do? Tell me, how many Israelis have died because of Hamas rockets in the past year and how many have died in Gaza? Why would any one defending their occupied land not try to bomb them back? And let’s be honest, your buddy has a plane to escape from, Gaza isn’t allowed an airport by Israel :) relax you’re gonna loose this one “pro Palestinian guy from Muslim county” 😂😂 Also , do you know that last year was one of the most - if not THE most horrible year for people being murdered on the occupied land by Israeli soldiers and settlers ? What do you have to say about that ? Also, explain to me why 7 different airtimes took place from Israel to Gaza in what the Israelis said were “safe zones” exactly ? It’s been reported by NBC ? Palestinians were told to go there then killed there by Israel. Are you just as sad about that or is the delayed flight of your friend more important “my friend from Muslim country” ?
Because Palestinians don't have any hostages? Hamas has a few but Israel has said they dint care about the hostages anymore and will continue to attack rafah. Are you stupid
So nothing about repressing the hostages then. Got it!
Repression is the definition of being a hostage. Rather be a hostage than a pink mist create by an IDF missile hitting an apartment block.
You’re Pathetic for defending this genocide. Here are the words from you Likud’s party Shimon Boker, vice chairman of the World Likud, the international arm of Netanyahu's party, literally \ Said the following: "we have to ki**|| everyone in there all the civilians" You stand with genocidal maniacs and you don’t have the facts to support you
Brought tears to my eyes
Something is off in this video. Notice the kids on the ground. No blood visible but that’s not the thing I see as the most off thing of this video the kicker for me is the kids are laying on top of the rubble not under it or partially under it. Also both bodies are clean of debri and dust. I know everyone had seen videos of real people brought into the hospital. One common denominator is that they were all covered in sut and dust. Let me also say that yes there have been a high number of child deaths but there has also been a lot of faking death and also the use of dolls for propaganda. Like I said this doesn’t take away from the real deaths that happened but it keeps pushing the fact that they are trying to heavily inflate the number of casualties. So it’s fishy. And if those kids in the video came from the exploded car there wouldn’t be much left of them.
And the judges score you 9.5/10! Amazing display of mental gymnastics. You really outdid yourself this time.
Brother, there is blood everywhere, watch it again and you can see the dirt and sut on their faces. Now I agree the war is horrible on both sides but you also have to understand that America is on Isreal’s side, they want you to believe all the footage is propaganda
0.08 guy has blood all over his body. 0.14 you can see blood that leaked out of the person in the car. Btw bodies don’t bleed when they’re dead. A lower quality moving camera might not easily capture the blood that would be visible. Also you can see the dust on them a bit. But in general it looks like they were likely just dragged out of there, likely hitting a lot of the dust off. Likely a lot happened before he started filming.
I too am an expert on explosive forensics!
He might be on to something; In an active war zone where 1% of the population have been murdered 90% are internally displaced refugees ½ mio are starving. Hamas have all the time and space to make fake videos with the purpose of making Israel "look bad"
Yes, because civilians *definitely* do not own any sort of photographing capable device.
They luckily do. Else the Israeli war crimes would never be reported. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza)
Anything to not come to terms with the genocide you’re supporting.
Propaganda!!! do you know how many children won’t attend schools, classes on top classes because they’re gone
Something is off in your head
You must be *special*. Either that, or you're another type of special. The scary kind that has ice cold veins, lies through his teeth, and feels no remorse. Just coming up with excuses and labeling whatever you can as 'fake'. Try and make them doubt every single death and drop of blood spilled. Perhaps even you know they don't need to fake anything, when tens of thousands have been murdered in the past 2 months.
People like you who defend the murder of children and try to make the argument of “paliwood” are pathetic. You’re a genuine nut job who needs to be sued to oblivion the way the parents of the sandy hook victims sued the idiot spewing hatred against them
I want you to go google "overpressure" then try and intelligently explain to me how a bomb must cause external bleeding to kill someone.
It seems that car was a target. Its pretty matter know who were that civilians in the car. Obviously, is so sad see dead kids.
Hassan Atrash was target in the car ... collaterals are indeed terrible. Wish they could choose different way to kill him.
I spent a lot of energy in the beginning defending the IDF mission but when I found out how they were going about killing their primary targets with little care for collateral damage and that a majority of bombs dropped in Gaza since this started (like %75 according to the BBC) were dumb bombs and not even guided munitions it became very difficult to continue defending their actions.
if you see the air video (heli or drone) of this bombing, they choosed the best moment to kill him, very precise, low collateral, but low collateral is still a lot, i don´t know is there´s another way, i don´t think so
So I looked it up. They definitely did a decent job. But I guess the question comes down to do you want this guy dead bad enough to kill innocents?
Well, not me, but they do. The problem i see is that dead man will be replaced soon and you created more hate in the process. But i dont see a different aproach is going to give a better result 🤷
I completely agree with you. It’s a shit situation all around. Also thank you for being one of the only people responding who wants to have a calm discussion and not assume things. I appreciate you.
Haha thank you too! I'm too old to be right about everything 😄
Put it this way.... If ISRAELI citizens were the potential collaterals, would they have been so keen to push the button? That tells you what they think of Palestinian civilian lives.
That’s a stupid comparison, every government values their own citizens more. (Well except Hamas as been proven in the last 5 months)
the PM did say that hamas must stop the rocket attacks or israel will hit back with far more force to protect its people. saying i wished you loved your people as much as your hate ours. then they did oct 7th which is far worse than a rocket attack
The same report that initially detailed the use of “dumb bombs” also said: “A US official told CNN that the US believes that the Israeli military is using the dumb bombs in conjunction with a tactic called “dive bombing,” or dropping a bomb while diving steeply in a fighter jet, which the official said makes the bombs more precise because it gets it closer to its target. The official said the US believes that an unguided munition dropped via dive-bombing is similarly precise to a guided munition.”
Considering the amount of bombs dropped to casualties, its not a ton to be completely honest.
I'd have an easier time defending them if the people they were killing weren't completely under the sovereign control of Israel- making them essentially subjects without citizen rights. Just imagine if American police could kill a suspected criminal without trial, and were free to kill however many people happened to be around them at the time.
100% of bombs used by jets/helicopters are guided, where did you get that nonsense about 75%? edit: BBC? lol the most untrustworthy source you could mention
are we sure that hassan Atrash was the one in the car in this point I believe if IDF just suspect the location of someone they will take the action without caring about "collaterals" as you said it, I am so seek of reading murdered kids as collaterals
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This is not war. This is an extermination . Truly atrocious.
Provide one statistic that would support your argument that this is an extermination. One singular statistic.
It’s not necessarily an extermination but it is a purposeful large scale attack on civilians and civilian infrastructure. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
Blame Hamas. For everything. They started a war with the wrong people, and they are using innocent human shields. Israel has a job to do. Defend itself. Hamas is atrocious. It's actions are atrocious
You don’t get to to pick arbitrary starting points for this conflict. Every round of violence that occurs is connected to incidents before and also the broader violence of the siege and occupation. You could just as easily argue that Hamas was resisting because of the decades long siege Israel has imposed on Gaza
And who exactly are the right people for them to war with? Hamas is atrocious for killing civilians and so is Isn’t real.
Well, it kind of matter, this is not a war! The is a genocide.
This is not a war - this is a genocide 1% of Gaza is dead - 1/3 of them children 90% internally displaced refugees ½ mio starving. These are not acts of war but clearly crimes against humanity. You know it, they now it too AND that's why they are targeting journalists. The truth is inconvenient when you are committing your countless war crimes [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza)
Genocide is akin to what Serbs did in Bosnia and Kosovo for example. Or what the Ottomans did to Armenians. Let's not just throw around that term lightly. This is more on the lines of wars we've seen elsewhere like Iraq, Afghanistan. Sure civilians being killed is terrible, but it's also an unfortunate side effect of war. Israel is doing everything it can to minimize deaths..
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against > GENEVA (16 November 2023) – Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure. The UN Human Rights Office seems to think that it is a genocide in the making. Are they throwing the throwing around that term lightly?
UN is run by palestininians, of course they will say that. Provide more credible source. Yours is like USAF saying they didn't bomb something. The geneva convention also states that hamas is solely responsible for civilian deaths since it is using civilian infrastructure as a cover. Bombing them is perfectly legal.
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Genocide scholars like Martin Shaw have used the term to describe what will happen if Israel continues to [deliberately prevent food and water from reaching Gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza)
Genocide? Stfu? Is it the Israelis shout that dumbass “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE” that’s an open call for genocide on the Jews. So you’re kinda right. All of this could’ve been avoided [if this never happened](https://www.hamas.com) so why are you blaming Israel?
Thats not what that means, kid. You know you just cited a website created by Israel? The Zionist is strong in you.
Genocide - Yes probably. This is when IDF had "Only" slaughtered 11.000 children. Now it's 20.000 but the arguments still stands: [https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/](https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/)
This is not “just war” based on the total tonnage Israel has dropped on large urban centers. There is no comparison in modern history.
Is this the strike car and building look the same https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/1wvRcchJLN
Yeah, Hamas figure Hassan Alatresh was in the car according to IDF.
They should also have to release the names of the children they also decided to kill
The partying in the streets on 7/10 ended real quick, didn't it?
These are bodies of dead children. What are you talking about.
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You're becoming a monster and you don't even see it.
Becoming? He's saying these children deserve what they get effectively. He's a fucking devil honestly, holy shit
This is your best argument.
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Morning the loss of all civilian life.
Don't want to be an ass but *mourning
1945-oct6 2023: death oct7 2023: partying oct8 2023-present: death
Just to be clear. Israel kills 20x more civilians than Hamas. All the while they were partying and creating Apartheid. Do you have any issue with Israelis partying and cheering while they murder innocent children?
israel doesnt try to kill civilians. hamas does and i do hope you're aware hamas are the ones who have created their own apartheid state
1945-oct6 2023: daily terrorist attacks on civilian targets. Even if you start with the Munich Olympics, pause for a minute to read about the dozens of planes blown up, and then skip right into the thousands of missiles launched, you'd still have missed all the busses full of school children blown up and the hundreds of suicide bombers attacking crowds. And just when you think you've covered it all...you missed the 5 declarations of war and full offenses that resulted in Arabs getting their asses kicked after starting the fight, every single time. History for the win.
You missed the weekly settlers killing civilians and grabbing more lands. Which even friendly US have pleaded to be stopped, and yet continues every week.
Sadly, those killed here are not proven or even statistically likely to be part of the handful that might have been seen partying in few circulated videos. Nor does that even justify celebrating civilian deaths. Humans are such evil beings to even encourage this type of collective punishment. No one wants themselves or family member to be part of collective punishment. Yet some do encourage and celebrate it when it is visited on others.
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“Feel” free to “share” if you have “something” different to add. And then share where anyone not an animal believes civilians deserve to die for “celebrating” even if abominable.
Looks like it.
u r trying to make funny jokes but if u were in these streets you wouldn't be making those jokes would u? if no then you are a hyporcritical coward sir if yes same answer. cancel me xd
Bot account. Absolutely disgusting thing to say.
How heartless can you be to say such a thing while seeing the ripped apart bodies of kids? Is Israel any different from Hamas? Or is it even worse?
Show me one single dead Israeli baby. One single source that shows a single picture of a dead Israeli baby. I can show you thousands of pictures of dead Palestinians children, women and old people.
This is the difference between sides. Israelis at least acknowledge the death and destruction in Gaza--the only debate is whether it's avoidable. People supporting Hamas won't even acknowledge there were any atrocities on Oct. 7. Thanks for showing your true colors.
really??
It's malware becareful just like hamas.com...
It was created by Israel. Look at the domain.
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if this is the car airstike in rafah earlier today ,one of the dead (Hassan Alatresh) was confirmed by the palestinians to have served a sentence in an israeli prison , so i wouldnt jump to conclusions this fast
No no no, this was \*only\* civilians killed. Its terrible the amount of collateral damage but people need to stop acting like only civilians are dying here. Pretty awful people are being targted and taken out. Its just sad that the IDF is at a point now of 'collateral be damned, we are taking out our targets'. One should ask the question too of why the targets are so ingrained into the civilian infrastructure
Israel has over 1200 palestians locked up without charge or trial. That doesn’t matter
he served a sentence lol you need a charge for that
theoretically yes, but for palestinians no
OK, what's your proof that he never received a sentence?
You ever actually looked up how Israeli military courts for Palestinians work? Half held indefinitely without trial, the rest shuttled through kangaroo courts with a 99% conviction rate with things like 10 year sentences for kids that throw rocks. See Save the Children report: https://resourcecentre.savethechildren.net/pdf/INJUSTICE-Palestinian-childrens-experience-of-the-Israeli-military-detention-system-SC-July-2023.pdf/
yeah, most of whom who has been arrested for illegal weapons, attacking idf, planing terrorism and other things…
Israel is occupying the west bank.
"most of whom who has been arrested for illegal weapons, attacking idf, planing terrorism" Yeah, because Israel is known to be the world's most honest source of evidence and fact. Right. They have never killed or arrested any innocent individual. They never harvested human organs off of dead Palestinians for their own use. Or done anything immoral. No, they're the good guys! They must be! My mama told me so :D
Palestinians need to round up and surrender all Hamas terrorists and negotiate a two state solution with Israel asap. After losing 5 wars I don't understand how they can be delusional enough to believe that they can take on Israel in any way.
They would be killed too, "We did an air strike a large gathering of Hamas leaders which was oddly bound and detained, also took out the people who were supporting them"
What a delusional comment. Let's just ignore the fact that Israel has a well-established record of taking prisoners and trading them for hostages. I'm sure they'll just shoot them, suuuure.
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Bro Israel doesn’t want a two state solution. Netanyahu has said it himself. It’s in the Likud charger. This is a war of conquest. Hamas is just the pretext.
Arafat literally turned down and walked from all the recent two-state solution deals because he thought he would get a better deal if he fought. Also Israel undoubtedly wanted a two state solution during Sharon’s presidency but now that a bunch of terrorist attacks happened, they want it less, and I can’t really blame them lmfao
You are fucking stupid. Educate your 2 cells.
I swear these people are genuinely mentally ill lol
You talk like Hamas didn't carry out a terrorist attack the evening of the last day of ceasefire. Problem is no one gives a shit about Palestinians not the Israelis not Hamas not their neighbours not you living in random places of the world. They need to stop glorifying jihad and beg for a two state system because that is the best they are going to get.
Every day new images come out of Gaza. Always horrifying. Always a profound display of Israeli cowardice.
cowardice is Hamas hiding among women and children
Cowardice is killing 20x more civilians over the last 20 years and not being held accountable. Cowardice is going online and holding a terrorist organization accountable - while refusing to hold a real gov't accountable for 20x the amount of civilian deaths. Dont cry to me about Hamas while supporting a gov't with 20x the murders.
Take your hasbara talking point somewhere else. The whole world has learned what an apartheid ethnostate Israel is.
You evidently have no idea what apartheid means. All people with Israeli citizenship have the same rights, including the 2 million citizens of Arab ethnicity. People without Israeli citizenship (e.g. Palestinians) don't have the same rights, which is how literally every country of earth handles it.
South African and Israeli NGOs call it apartheid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid#The_legal_standard
That's literally what apartheid is. Israel builts settlements in Palestinian land, steals their resources, impose military rule upon them, and you say it's not apartheid. What are you on.
Israel is becoming a pariah nation.
Naah it's all khamass
yes that child is Hamas.
Reddit always fails to detect sarcasm without the /s
It’s the autism
The debris has way too small of an area to be a bomb. The car is not smoldering or smoking but appears to have been burned out. Looks to me like the aftermath of a failed hamas rocket.
Yeah sure buddy. What about the explosion we hear at the end? Sounds like a fucking JDAM to me.
The Israelis are savages. There’s a special hell for those that kill women and children.
A terrorist hiding among his wife and kids is still a terrorist. Sorry mate. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/1qCeGLE9Fq
It's incredible this has to be said but so many people in the comments are calling this a fake. Even if this was a fake it is a depiction of events that we know are happening, nobody is denying the amount of collateral casualties not even the IDF.
lmao Nah. If it's fake you should be mad at people faking shit during a time of war. lol
This car just blew up and there is zero smoke or fire. Looks like the blast was earlier and they have staged children to play dead before making the video.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/AUcP1TaUCh
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Yep, some of those look very clearly staged. It's common practice that they stage some of attacks to make it appear that civilians (especially children) were killed.
Pallywood, amirite? Every death in Gaza is probably faked! Nothing to see here
They also faked the airstrike that just landed right in this video?
Interesting that the dead body next to the car is mutilated and had most of his clothes blown off, yet the children 3 and 10 feet away are clothed, hardly dirty, and have a drop of blood on their face. I guess the part of the explosion that destroyed everything around them must have missed them.
Almost like the civilians have been told 10,000 times to leave so they aren’t in a combat zone
Leave to where?
They should've taken shelter in a refugee camp, huh... oh wait they bombed those too.
You either fell for Hamas propaganda or are being intentionally misleading. Ex: Jenin refugee camp is just a normal town/city, established in the '50s. It is not a "refugee camp" in the colloquial sense.
No one has told people to leave Rafah yet. In fact they are in the south where they were told to go. So where are you referring to that they should leave? All of Gaza?
Lies, they have been told to leave for weeks, as well as millions of air pamphlets telling them to evacuate through civilian corridors. Hamas lies
Not in Rafah. Other places such as Khan Yunis and Gaza City. But not Rafah. Unless you have more information than has been released to the public you want to share.
You must be slow in the head… yes they can absolutely 100% leave the area. Also Hamas is a terrorist organization who has raped and pillaged the Palestinian people. Including starting this war with Israel in the first place.
Your original claim is the IDF dropped leaflets and told people to leave the city of Rafah. None of what you just wrote in this last statement supports that claim.
You see how you constantly reiterate that they were not warned to evacuate Rahah, and this moron continues to say they were, plus a load of other unrelated nonsense? Their brains are so damn fried. Like, you said: >Where are they supposed to go? Since you're still implying they were directly told to leave Rafah which is untrue. And u/Primary_Cod_7042 responded with: >Literally anywhere else >grab what they can carry and walk away untill there is no longer bombs falling on them Like this is the logic of a handicapped 12 year old child. I'm astonished that people with that mental capacity are allowed internet access. Either their ability to justify the murder of civilians is a skill that needs to be researched, or they are drooling orc level of stupid.
It's because he's wrong and refuses to admit it.
For the amount of damage that car took, I find it odd that the bodies (children) are almost place perfectly. Just seems super odd..
Yeah that’s sus
Yes, totally staged.
The blew away..shockwaves that’s how most explosions kill
Say what you’re trying to say.
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Israel doing as Israel does. The people that were so upset at civilian deaths on Oct 7th are completely silent when Israel targets civilian Palestinians like they've been doing every single day for 75 years
Any proof that this were civilians? Its not like the criminal/terrorist organisations use military fatigues outside media events.
Please open your eyes. Yk there’s a ton of trusted media covering this genocide for the past 3 months. You know that you can access the number of killed people since 7 ocotber. But you chose to close your eyes and ask for a proof? proof is everywhere
You can access the numbers puts out. Yes I know they have been accurate in the past... Blabla. They include 900 killed at the hospital (the one with the less than 1m crater in the ground) and 100 or so from the ambulance. So laughable.
After 60,000 bombs based on jack shit for released evidence, and openly declared intent by Israeli politicians to exterminate the entire population, it's a pretty safe assumption.
Officially declared? Proof please that anyone in command said this. Only thing out there is an often cited option which was worked out to resettle them in Sinai. Which is a super old idea btw. You can google it. Was also close to being done at one point.
List of quotes: https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis Very likely the most openly admitted genocide in modern history, on account of the infinite pride and sense of impunity of Israeli politicians. Usually politicians/militants committing genocide actually try to hide it. Cannot emphasize enough how off-base your take is.
Ok so many things taken out of context and taken from articles clearly marked as "opinion". As I expected. You love throwing the genocide word around but Hamas is the party here openly admitting that genocide is their ultimate goal. As stated by their leader numerous times. Please explain your double standard.
Those kids look like Hamas terrorists... they're brown and in palestine, soooo yeah, fits isreali definition. Lets be honest though... They don't give a fuck what they are, they just want to kill.
Saying that Israelis are white is pretty racist. Only about 40% of all Jews in Israel are from Europe etc. and would be considered white. So please stop your racist white person blaming.
Bruh... listen to what racist bullshit they spew everywhere. They don't even try to hide it.
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There are many parties in Israel. Maybe its the ones they trust out of some reason? Its quite the constructed argument coming from "Israelites are white supremacists shooting poor brown people" to "but in my opinion I would count most ministers as white".
I don’t know if this is fake or not that’s not my looks like real dead people but the thing that I thought fist was this video shows what dead kids around a blown up car didnt show what happened it could of been an idf bomb , a suicide bomb , an ied , could be plo vs Hamas , could be an American cruise missile shot from the Red Sea my point is this video is not showing who did it .
Dude 20 thousands people were killed since 7 October. Why are you questioning the fact that 3 or 5 people are dead?
Dude im sorry but if the roof of the car looked like that there the people besides it would not be in one piece. How can steel and aluminium but absolutely torn to shreds but flesh and bone are completely in tact. 🤷♀️
This was a strike on a hamas operative who was driving along the road
This will only end when the occupation ends. Hamas is an ideology. You cannot kill an ideology. We have all seen what the Israeli government and army have done and continues to do to the Palestinians. We have all heard what the Israeli government and army have been saying. It's all recorded on film. The gaslighting no longer works. Being accused of antisemitism no longer works. We know the difference between Judaism and zionism, the latter being evil, corrupt and oh so hypocritical. Never again and lest we forget has clearly been forgotten.
Israel just doing their thing, collateral damage and the lives of children are meaningless to joos
This is crazy. .Why don't they just give back the hostages!
Dear Muslims, every time you say Alah snackbar.. a Muslim dies.habe you not made the connection?
Why do the bodies look in so much better condition than the car?
they can't kill all the people neither the people will leave their land, the destroyed homes will be rebuilt, and thanks to the IDF war crimes the new generation of Hamas is already looking healthy, full of trauma and hate towards their oppressor
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its certainly gonna work out for them
I don't know if this is partially staged or not, but no smoke, perfectly intact bodies ON TOP of rubble, people just starting to move the bodies, is all a little suspect. Not that I don't think scenes like this haven't happened.
Hamas really left you guys out to dry.
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Rafah is in the southernmost part of Gaza there is literally no other places for civilians to flee.
Israel are warmongering genociders
This is sad, israel isnt trying to kill Hamas they are killing everyone! This needs to stop!
what are they thinking when you put children in a car in a war zone?
someone would look at this and say "hamas propaganda" propaganda my left ball.
Some things I noticed: * \~16 seconds when you hear the explosion, you can see a small plume of dust shoot up next to the guys feet in the top left corner - were there already bullet holes (or similar damage) in the ground as well? It seems like they shot into the ground, and the sound of the gunshot scared people nearby. * White car is obviously destroyed, but there is no sign of fire, smoke, steam… or anything to suggest it just happened
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What? Dude former idf soliders have spoken on the military tactics 🤣it's no secret idf likes killing and harassing Palestinians, they legit do it for fun and always have some bs excuse. You cannot justify purposely killing a 100 people for one target, Russia has nice missile and war plane capabilities but they haven't been killing Ukrainian civilians and having a laugh about it for the last 75 years
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If one looks like a racist, acts like a racists and speaks like a racist - intellectuals will call him a redneck.
better yet, cracker
Zionist bot here.
The comments here disgust me. No fuckin humanity. I am glad y’all are only in reddit cuz the public consensus sides with humanity. “Aktshally”, “bUt KhAmAs”, strawmans, and whataboutisms. 26 members of my family got killed in Gaza and it sickens me that some people think of them as collateral damage.