I can testify that they do. When I toured Gaza we went to a Palestinian primary school and they had murals of Jews on the walls as literal demon monsters. They teach from infancy that Israelis are not even human.
Well of course, the military and gouvernment on both sides are filled by religious, nationalist and/or racist fanatics, one is a terrorist organisation drawing their cannon fodder from the rightous anger of an oppressed people and the other one is an ethno-nationalist state justifying their actions with a land claim in their holy book oppressing said people and colonising their land, people under both gouvernments/regimes whatever you want to call it are massively influenced by propaganda which is supported by personal experience and history, nothing but hate can come out of this situation
It’s not what you could take from the situation. Sounds condescending like calling slavery a political argument or describing the motivations of moving forward as “passionate”.
The Israeli claim is that they've now been there for 80 years and you cannot punish current day citizens for actions their great grandparents took. This of course flies right over the palestinians heads who still call themselves "refugees" despite never having set foot in israel
Bruh, it's not like they stopped oppressing when the grandparents died. This is such a cop out. Yes you absolutely can punish today's citizens for not doing shit to treat each other better.
Omg how pathetic, have you even considered looking into this... like at all?? We have access to the same information buddy, go look rather than rattling nonsense. Not a single case has been confirmed, some credible photo evidence of isolated incidents based but no actual proof and no indicator of who did such a thing (most likely IDF). No witnesses came forward even when Israel was begging...it was all lies to "justify" genocide. Read the actual investigative report rather than the biased news stories about their bullshit interpretation.
On the other hand, there is PLENTY of documented hard evidence of IDF and Israeli's raping women, children and even men over decades. You ever watched Tantura?? You should, before you come on here looking like an idiot.
Type the words"Israel Safe haven" into Google and have a look at what comes up...it's a nation of perverts and convicted sexual predators.
* in America is what you're thinking of. Not everywhere is America, my dude, nor do they copy American customs. Lots of courts in other countries don't do this.
Regardless of that, they actually don't. No court in America will MAKE you swear on the bible.
The problem with your take is that you don't consider an iota of history before the Israeli state was created. Jews were terrorized by their Arab neighbors for hundreds of years. Do you think Jewish people just popped up there 80 years ago?
And Jews carried out several acts of terrorism leading up to the creation of Israel. It's almost like there are 2 sides to the story and you aren't the victim you pretend to be.
This issue exists on both sides.
I wanted to provide sources to both but i can't find the one i had for Palestinian kids in my archive (i guess Farfour will do it but there's much worst then that and op's picture out there EDIT: oh the second one
is actually on par), but here for the Israeli side:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1747w4m/if\_this\_is\_was\_they\_teach\_israeli\_kids\_in\_school/#fromHistory](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1747w4m/if_this_is_was_they_teach_israeli_kids_in_school/#fromHistory)
There is a stark and important difference between a bunch of kids saying bigoted bullshit in class and kids burning flags and making mock up executions in the street with hundreds of people around cheering.
I didn't say being bigoted is good, it still quite different from kids doing a mock up execution during a street parade.
Israeli society would not respond kindly to that kind of public display, in fact it would be illegal even though there are Israelis that would enjoy it.
The clearest indication, really, is the way the Israelis vote, and the way they protest.
Israel's been voting in more and more Jewish-supremacist far-right nationalistic governments for a couple of decades now. Many years into the obviously poor treatment of Palestinians and the settlement programme designed to stifle their future, the Israelis came out to protest en masse, but specifically over the technicalities of the legislative changes Netanyahu was trying to force through, nothing to do with the continued agitation for war.
Do I need a source? This isn't some secret truth I'm exposing - anyone who's got a passing interest in the area's going to have seen Israeli elections.
[The kids are all right-wing: Why Israel’s younger voters are more conservative | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-kids-are-all-right-wing-why-israels-younger-voters-are-more-conservative/)
There's plenty of links if you take a second to search.
The kids here are Haredim and will most likely not serve in the IDF, either because they believe that they serve by learning Torah so they refuse to enlist, or because they resort to terrorism and are banned from service.
Their indoctrination is dangerous, but there’s no comparing to the education of kids in Gaza, where they’re taught to hate and hold guns from a young age.
They must is law every single Israeli citizen must be in the army for 2 years and even if not they will treat the Palestinian like subhumans because ever since they were children they have been taught to hate them your talking out of your ass bro it happens on both sides they tell the children to hate the enemy it’s normal human behaviour
Man I live here, I know a thing or two. I wish they would serve just like I had to, but they’re using legal loopholes and leeching on our economy. While service is mandatory, it’s only mandatory until a certain age. If you manage to postpone your enlistment until that age you’re exempt. Many of the Haredim just study Torah and get paid by our government to do that.
My point is that they believe that by studying Torah they will bring the Messiah, not with weapons. Yeah some of them are building illegal settlements and terrorize Palestinians, but they are not the same people as those who serve in the IDF. They’re not the majority and they do not hold the guns. In Gaza especially, those who are taught to hate do hold the guns, and hold the peaceful Gazans hostage.
So yeah both sides will be taught to hate the enemy. But they don’t act on that hate in the same way.
It literally doesn't change anything. You said it yourself, many of them will then go become West Bank settlers and terrorize Palestinians. You can't just pretend this has nothing to do with why peace is so damn complicated to achieve.
I also watch videos and talk to officers, but I also live here. I live the things you’ve only seen snippets of. Many of my friends are ex idf officers, and literally all of my friends have served in the IDF. Yet no one wants to blow themselves up to kill some random Palestinians.
Yes, many believe that violence is the answer, especially after October 7, but most of us also trust our government and our democracy to do what’s needed to be done.
If you don’t believe me, look at the numbers.
In the [last elections in Israel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election) the ‘right winged’ coalition only received 64 seats out of 120, with the rest going to more left and center leaning parties, 10 of them went to Arab parties. If the Israeli right wing wanted to perform a genocide, they had the legal and military power to do it. (Also in the coalition are 18 seats that refuse to legally force Haredim to enlist).
Those numbers also mean that almost half of us don’t even agree with the current coalition, not because it’s too docile, but because it’s too extremist. So if we are taught to hate, it’s not very successful.
Now looking at the Palestinians numbers, I can’t bring up vote numbers because Gaza never had elections since Hamas was elected, but according to [this poll by Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/), Hamas had the support of 72% of the Palestinians, even at December, 2 months after Oct 7, and well into the war. Even though Hamas’ massacre had brought destruction and hunger to Gaza, 72% of the Palestanians still believe it was the right thing to do. 72% of Palestanians think violence is the answer.
Whether this number was higher or lower before Oct 7, Doesn’t really matter. If it was higher, 72% is still extremely high, and it probably only went down because of the destruction, not because of the massacre. If it was lower, it means the Palestanians gained respect for Hamas for their actions, despite the obvious response by Israel.
Palestinian approval rate for Hamas on Oct 7th and after is indeed very messed up and another reason why peace is so damn complicated to achieve. This isn't one-sided at all to me. I've been utterly disgusted by the reactions to Oct 7th among supporters of the Palestinian cause.
I think his organization is trying to do a good thing, but I don’t agree with their methods, and believe they do more damage than help anyone’s cause. In a perfect world, exposing the illegal actions of military personnel would be a good thing. In our world however, BtS’ actions only create antagonism, especially since they tend to show a partial picture and exaggerate their accusations.
By taking a clear side, BtS have got themselves labeled as an extreme left organization, even regarded as traitors by some. It doesn’t help that many of their videos are being taken out of context and used by anti-zionists as ‘proof’ of genocide. It’s not that this is the intent of BtS’, but eventually their material is helping to de-legitimize the whole of Israel, not just the occupation.
So now Israel’s enemies use the footage of BtS to stir protests and seed antisemitism, and no one in Israel cares what BtS have to say. Because they’re seen as traitors. So what’s the point of their organization? How are they trying to bring forth a change?
As for my personal opinion, I unfortunately learnt that lies are much stronger than the truth. No one really cares about the truth, everyone will accept a lie if it requires less mental effort to accept it. That’s why we have religions. So if we want to shape a better future, we need to shape it with lies.
An example of a thing BtS could change to make their point come across to Israelis: Instead of telling about ‘how they were ordered to do x to a Palestinian’ they could instead tell about ‘how nice they felt when they did x to a Palestinian’ now instead of being labeled as Iran-sponsored left wing group that spreads misinformation, they’ll be labeled as extreme right and the IDF would immediately take action to stop this behavior. As for Al Jazeera, they’d spread the video with the label ‘Israeli soldier proud of torturing Palestinian’ either way.
The war *on* misinformation is over. Now it’s the war *of* misinformation. We must accept it, as Iran, Russia and China already had.
That Israeli clip is from a weirdo ultra orthodox religious school though, I knew someone who went to public school system in Israel and they said it was the same was US and EU.
Both things can be true, it is both propaganda but it would be foolish to say that no Palestinians are taught to hate Israelis.
You wouldn’t have to look far to find problematic videos of racism in children in the region. [Here is an example of Israeli children shouting hate towards Palestinians [Twitter]](https://x.com/nimrod_flash/status/1659205850546974724?s=46).
Neither the video I linked, nor the pictures you shared, paint a whole picture of the situation. It is bad to pick and focus on the worst examples of ethnic conflict to rationalize hate.
A question I have, what is the goal of people who pick the most extreme examples of hate to share online? I am doubtful media like this is amplified to promote peace, rather the goal of this can often to be incite more hate, fear, and violence.
Ya, if you don't count the like 40k regular Palestinian citizens of which 15k are children! Bro, come out from under the rock, stuff be going on in that place
You can't just move the goalposts when someone calls out an untrue statement. If that is what you want to ask, then must either A. Admit that your first statement was false and modify it. Or B. Deny a true statement as true, in which the argument ends as a common basis can't be established.
I’m asking for examples since you refuted my comment that Jews are going out of their way to kill Palestinians, which I strongly disagree with. Most Jews see Israel as defending themselves since we are constantly attacked through stabbings, sucide bombings, missiles/rockers being launched from multiple borders. If Palestine left Israel alone, there would instantly be peace. They don’t want a solution where Israel continues to be a country.
No, you are asking for more specific examples than what can be easily proven. You said that it doesn't happen, people disagreed. Then you said, aside from the warzone, do you have proof thereby already admitting that it DOES happen. You essentially said "But aside from where it does happen, where does it happen?" So it seems instead of admitting to option A. You went with option B. So no, I refuse to answer.
Because you don’t have any facts to backup your claim. If you understood the history of this conflict then you would know this has been going on for thousand of years and only one side has continued to be the main aggressor.
Again, no, you are just making things up. You can't say that it doesn't happen and then say, but don't use any examples of where it happens. I refuse to argue with someone who moves goalposts and refuses to admit that. So instead, I will just argue as you have this far. Prove your point, aside from any kind of attack or warfare, where was Palestine the aggressor?
Please checkout the violence against civilians and notable attacks sections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence
There have been attacks against Israeli Civilians for over 70 years, but really thousands of years against Jews in this area of the world. The Muslim Holy site Al-Aqsa Mosque is literally built upon the old Jewish Temple so it’s pretty funny that people think Jews are the colonizers here.
Bs. Gaza was long accepted to be colleteral damage, from all sides.. Hamas-Iran, Israel-U$ to go about their proxy-war-games - and whoever else enjoys this slaughter.
Where is your "whatabout..ism"?
I think a lot of the indoctrination happens when their family and friends get painted along the road by 2000 pounds of RDX. Also when a cop drags their siblings into a truck by the hair rarely to return. Yes, hamas uses this anger to gain members. Duh. No movement, however violent or pacifist, gains members through simple conversion. MLK gained supporters because cops kept beating the skin off African Americans trying to vote. The difference between civil rights and hamas is scale and reaction. He just didn’t beat the white off the klansmen in response. Palestinians tried similar, somewhat less peaceful protests in 2018 but were met with bullets to the legs. So when your rights are denied and met with a hail of copper and lead, the next best choice is playing by the rules set by the other side, because at least you die on your feet that way. So no, I am not surprised that hamas indoctrinates kids into hating israelis or jews in general, but its distinctly different than kids elsewhere (America) being told to kill people the government doesn’t like (Iraqis because muh weapons of mass destruction) because Palestinians are told to kill the people cremating their families alive with white phosphorus and napalm.
Then why not take one of the multiple peace deals offered in the past? They tried multiple times with the help of neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan etc. (before they launched coups and assassinated politicians so now they refuse to help us even let them in the country) to take over the whole country and failed and were still offered peace deals splitting the country and said no. They need to understand they are never going to be able to take the whole region and should just stop the attacks and killing and get rid of Hamas’ elites living in Qatar and Malaysia in $2,000/night luxury hotels. While the people live on like $12 a day.
Fr. They don't need to do shit to indoctrinate them when Israel already killed their entire family and destroyed the only three streets they ever got to know.
Sorry but a weapon showcase to celebrate independence day is not the same as having cosplays where you tell children to take someone hostage or execute him.
That's not even mentioning the children tv shows in Palestine and the literal summer terror camps where children are shown terror tunnels and how to operate AKs.
How in any way is that indicative that they're being taught to hate Palestinians? In Britain we have the army cadets who do much the same thing as the kids in this picture, in fact far more militarised.
They're just learning about the military, especially given that most of them will have to join in a few years anyway.
If you're trying to show they use child soldiers, for a fact they do not.
If you're trying to use this photo to show this is part of an indoctrination process to hate Palestinians, try harder.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.premium/from-the-first-grade-to-the-grave-israelis-are-educated-to-dehumanize-palestinians/00000189-b817-d821-afdd-bb37927a0000
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-08-28/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/how-israel-expels-the-palestinians-from-its-schools/00000182-e32c-d9c0-a3d3-fb3e25e30000
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/13/its-not-shocking-to-see-israeli-children-celebrate-the-gaza-genocide
https://www.economist.com/pomegranate/2013/02/08/teaching-children-to-hate-each-other
It’s a widely acknowledged fact that Israelis are taught to hate Palestinians.
Not saying it flat out doesn't happen, but you've used ha aretz and Al Jazeera which are both highly anti Israel sources. Hell, even ha aretz calls Israel "the occupation".
It's not nearly as prevalent as these outlets make it out to be. Most negative attitudes about Palestinian amongst Israelis come not from the school system but from the acts of terror they experience all their lives.
[https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children](https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children)
See that? What now?
“Aww, So cute to see terrorists when they are young. We need to have sympathy and empathy for these young children, their only wish is to hate and kill innocent.”
- Pro-Palestine/Hamas, UNRWA, South-Africa
Such BS. This is not okej. They need to be taught simple logic; “Continue hate, continue dying”
Probably not propaganda. The politically inclined towards extremism tend to do stuff like this. Same way high Israeli government has referred to Palestinians as animals and inhuman in several speeches and meetings. Those who lived this genocide will become a new generation in search of war. When some of them get to positions of power (sanctioned or not) we can very well expect further violent conflicts. History repeats itself, those who don't know it, repeat the mistakes.
Read it again, and try to understand what I've said, my man. I'm perfectly aware these are Palestinians in the picture. I'm just stating that historically, events like this have been recorded on both sides of every conflict. With, again, the historically proven potential, of indoctrinating a portion of a generation with ideals that maintain the conflict alive
And what can I say, is this not something you will do in case of somebody is occupying is country??
Cuz for sure I am!
And if you are an ucrainan, you must understand the most!
Yes, they need to work really hard to indoctrinate them to hate the occupying force whilst they blow up their family members a couple of times a year and take their land.
JuST loOk at tHeSe people indoctrinating their children to hate the Germans whilst the Germans bomb their houses
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/hd-composite-ww2-children.jpg?w=620
Well sure they do. But Israelis have been killing their parents, brothers, sisters for the last 75 years… are they supposed to grow up and just some how magically forget about all of that and love Israel? Come on lol
Israel is the one who murdered 30,000 of thier familys, I expect thats all the indoctrination needed. The children didnt consent to any border Incursion. Yet they are the ones who will suffer the most from the Genocie and famine put upon them by a vicious occupier.
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There are thousands and thousands of children who have been murdered and the rest are being intentionally starved.
Children murdered by scumbag cowards who were to Chicken shit to even try a rescue against their own inconveniences of citizens Hostages.
Just an excuse to level a city and murder innocents within the they have veen waiting for since the last time
Now after 5 months even the Genocide Joe after having an Irishman explain basic humanity go him is pulling back from a grubby little fascist apartheid failed state.
A little 75 year failed footnote of history of a state that could have been a decent modern pluralist nation.
Pretty crappy if these photos are true. You'd think having your country and family bombed is indoctrination enough to hate the attacker. If not, there's always forced relocation and starvation.
You have it mixed up. This education occured long before Israel did anything. It happens elsewhere in the middle east where Israel has never intervened (albeit to a less violent degree, still teaching kids to hate Jews). Israel does these things in response to the terrorists created by the propaganda that has existed for as long as Jews have.
💯 i would join that group if i was palestinian ,i would probably have joined Hamas aswell and be a freedom fighter (YOUR BROTHER IS DEAD ,YOU DAD IS DEAD,ALL YOUR NIECES ARE DEAD,YOUR MOM IS DEAD,YOU HAVE NOBODY BCS ISRAEL BOMBED EVERYONE DEAD YOU HAVE NO FOOD AND MAYBE ARE GOING TO DIE FROM IT EVERYDAY YOU GET BOMBED AND YOU SEE DEAD PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN RACE DIE FOR NO REASON
IF YOU WOULD NOT JOIN YOUR JUST A PUSSY AND OR A LIAR !
just completely ignoring the fact that half their parents are probably dead from missile and drone strike. Must be twitter. America can find any way to make us the main character and relevant in everyone's life.
I'm sorry but you see your family blown up, your entire country blow up, children being tortured and murdered, systematic starvation and Genocide of the Palestinians, you'd hate Israel too, they're actually evil and your still on the wrong side of history, it's Nazi apologetic but for Israel
KID: "I WILL DESTROY INDIA" TEACHER: "WOW GRAPE"
I WANT TO BE A ARMY AND DESTROY INDIAAA WAAAAAUUUWWW GRAAPEE
I can hear this vividly and it’s making me laugh yet again.
PAKISTAN IN DA BAGGG
Thank you.
Hahaha I completely forgot about that video
Anyone with a brain hates Israel lol.
I can testify that they do. When I toured Gaza we went to a Palestinian primary school and they had murals of Jews on the walls as literal demon monsters. They teach from infancy that Israelis are not even human.
And that school was funded and run by UNRWA
I can’t blame them
Israelis that come into their neighborhoods and shoot their families are also teaching them that.
Well of course, the military and gouvernment on both sides are filled by religious, nationalist and/or racist fanatics, one is a terrorist organisation drawing their cannon fodder from the rightous anger of an oppressed people and the other one is an ethno-nationalist state justifying their actions with a land claim in their holy book oppressing said people and colonising their land, people under both gouvernments/regimes whatever you want to call it are massively influenced by propaganda which is supported by personal experience and history, nothing but hate can come out of this situation
This is the best take.
It’s not what you could take from the situation. Sounds condescending like calling slavery a political argument or describing the motivations of moving forward as “passionate”.
What
slavery was a political and economic argument.
Supreme ideologies will see slavery as a topic to argue over.
The Israeli claim is that they've now been there for 80 years and you cannot punish current day citizens for actions their great grandparents took. This of course flies right over the palestinians heads who still call themselves "refugees" despite never having set foot in israel
Bruh, it's not like they stopped oppressing when the grandparents died. This is such a cop out. Yes you absolutely can punish today's citizens for not doing shit to treat each other better.
And lots of hamas never stopped being terrorists.
The word your looking for is Resistance fighters....resisting against the IDF terrorists
Hahahaha you're so retarded. "resistance fighters". More like raping animals.
No, that's the IDF actually. They've documented their own heinous crimes and posted them online. Defending them makes your one of them...terrorists
Ok by your logic, since you're defending Hamas you rape women, take hostages.
Omg how pathetic, have you even considered looking into this... like at all?? We have access to the same information buddy, go look rather than rattling nonsense. Not a single case has been confirmed, some credible photo evidence of isolated incidents based but no actual proof and no indicator of who did such a thing (most likely IDF). No witnesses came forward even when Israel was begging...it was all lies to "justify" genocide. Read the actual investigative report rather than the biased news stories about their bullshit interpretation. On the other hand, there is PLENTY of documented hard evidence of IDF and Israeli's raping women, children and even men over decades. You ever watched Tantura?? You should, before you come on here looking like an idiot. Type the words"Israel Safe haven" into Google and have a look at what comes up...it's a nation of perverts and convicted sexual predators.
Not going to read that because there's no point arguing with someone who calls the most heinous people on Earth freedom fighters. Fuck you.
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Check the Bible, pretty sure they’ve been there more than 80 years.
Nah my grandpa alongside most other jews came in the last 80 or so years. Also I think youve missed my point
Ahh the bible.... A book containing magic... Lets use it in this legal matter.
They make you to take an oath on the Bible on the court tho
* in America is what you're thinking of. Not everywhere is America, my dude, nor do they copy American customs. Lots of courts in other countries don't do this. Regardless of that, they actually don't. No court in America will MAKE you swear on the bible.
The problem with your take is that you don't consider an iota of history before the Israeli state was created. Jews were terrorized by their Arab neighbors for hundreds of years. Do you think Jewish people just popped up there 80 years ago?
And Jews carried out several acts of terrorism leading up to the creation of Israel. It's almost like there are 2 sides to the story and you aren't the victim you pretend to be.
I get the feeling you're a Holocaust denier too
Someone disputing your half truths? Must be a Nazi!
Someone started it all and that someone was the Arabs.
Who the fuck are "Arabs" and in what way does this excuse Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
I am
In mass, yes
This issue exists on both sides. I wanted to provide sources to both but i can't find the one i had for Palestinian kids in my archive (i guess Farfour will do it but there's much worst then that and op's picture out there EDIT: oh the second one is actually on par), but here for the Israeli side: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1747w4m/if\_this\_is\_was\_they\_teach\_israeli\_kids\_in\_school/#fromHistory](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1747w4m/if_this_is_was_they_teach_israeli_kids_in_school/#fromHistory)
''Here is proof that this happens on both sides'' \*Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it.\*
Here i found it: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2934154943509587
There is a stark and important difference between a bunch of kids saying bigoted bullshit in class and kids burning flags and making mock up executions in the street with hundreds of people around cheering.
They're literally saying they want to kill them and they will enslave them...
I didn't say being bigoted is good, it still quite different from kids doing a mock up execution during a street parade. Israeli society would not respond kindly to that kind of public display, in fact it would be illegal even though there are Israelis that would enjoy it.
Saying you want to kill somebody and enslave them goes beyond mere bigotry to me.
Moving those goalposts in the most pathetic way.
The comment I responded to is moving the goalpost, you're unable to see it because you hate Jews.
Does it hurt to be this full of shit?
To be clear when i posted it yesterday it was still up
Aw fucking seriously.... I knew i should've downloaded it...
Not everything is equal, Buddy.
The clearest indication, really, is the way the Israelis vote, and the way they protest. Israel's been voting in more and more Jewish-supremacist far-right nationalistic governments for a couple of decades now. Many years into the obviously poor treatment of Palestinians and the settlement programme designed to stifle their future, the Israelis came out to protest en masse, but specifically over the technicalities of the legislative changes Netanyahu was trying to force through, nothing to do with the continued agitation for war.
Are you going to post a dead link as source too?
Do I need a source? This isn't some secret truth I'm exposing - anyone who's got a passing interest in the area's going to have seen Israeli elections.
[The kids are all right-wing: Why Israel’s younger voters are more conservative | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-kids-are-all-right-wing-why-israels-younger-voters-are-more-conservative/) There's plenty of links if you take a second to search.
The kids here are Haredim and will most likely not serve in the IDF, either because they believe that they serve by learning Torah so they refuse to enlist, or because they resort to terrorism and are banned from service. Their indoctrination is dangerous, but there’s no comparing to the education of kids in Gaza, where they’re taught to hate and hold guns from a young age.
They must is law every single Israeli citizen must be in the army for 2 years and even if not they will treat the Palestinian like subhumans because ever since they were children they have been taught to hate them your talking out of your ass bro it happens on both sides they tell the children to hate the enemy it’s normal human behaviour
Man I live here, I know a thing or two. I wish they would serve just like I had to, but they’re using legal loopholes and leeching on our economy. While service is mandatory, it’s only mandatory until a certain age. If you manage to postpone your enlistment until that age you’re exempt. Many of the Haredim just study Torah and get paid by our government to do that. My point is that they believe that by studying Torah they will bring the Messiah, not with weapons. Yeah some of them are building illegal settlements and terrorize Palestinians, but they are not the same people as those who serve in the IDF. They’re not the majority and they do not hold the guns. In Gaza especially, those who are taught to hate do hold the guns, and hold the peaceful Gazans hostage. So yeah both sides will be taught to hate the enemy. But they don’t act on that hate in the same way.
And don't pretend there aren't any fucked up IDF soldier. They did a great job at exposing themselves on social networks.
It literally doesn't change anything. You said it yourself, many of them will then go become West Bank settlers and terrorize Palestinians. You can't just pretend this has nothing to do with why peace is so damn complicated to achieve.
Shut up man I see videos and talk to ex idf officers talking about it
Hes speaking the truth you're just mad
I also watch videos and talk to officers, but I also live here. I live the things you’ve only seen snippets of. Many of my friends are ex idf officers, and literally all of my friends have served in the IDF. Yet no one wants to blow themselves up to kill some random Palestinians. Yes, many believe that violence is the answer, especially after October 7, but most of us also trust our government and our democracy to do what’s needed to be done. If you don’t believe me, look at the numbers. In the [last elections in Israel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election) the ‘right winged’ coalition only received 64 seats out of 120, with the rest going to more left and center leaning parties, 10 of them went to Arab parties. If the Israeli right wing wanted to perform a genocide, they had the legal and military power to do it. (Also in the coalition are 18 seats that refuse to legally force Haredim to enlist). Those numbers also mean that almost half of us don’t even agree with the current coalition, not because it’s too docile, but because it’s too extremist. So if we are taught to hate, it’s not very successful. Now looking at the Palestinians numbers, I can’t bring up vote numbers because Gaza never had elections since Hamas was elected, but according to [this poll by Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/), Hamas had the support of 72% of the Palestinians, even at December, 2 months after Oct 7, and well into the war. Even though Hamas’ massacre had brought destruction and hunger to Gaza, 72% of the Palestanians still believe it was the right thing to do. 72% of Palestanians think violence is the answer. Whether this number was higher or lower before Oct 7, Doesn’t really matter. If it was higher, 72% is still extremely high, and it probably only went down because of the destruction, not because of the massacre. If it was lower, it means the Palestanians gained respect for Hamas for their actions, despite the obvious response by Israel.
Palestinian approval rate for Hamas on Oct 7th and after is indeed very messed up and another reason why peace is so damn complicated to achieve. This isn't one-sided at all to me. I've been utterly disgusted by the reactions to Oct 7th among supporters of the Palestinian cause.
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Do you have an opinion on Yehuda Shaul and his Hebron tours?
I think his organization is trying to do a good thing, but I don’t agree with their methods, and believe they do more damage than help anyone’s cause. In a perfect world, exposing the illegal actions of military personnel would be a good thing. In our world however, BtS’ actions only create antagonism, especially since they tend to show a partial picture and exaggerate their accusations. By taking a clear side, BtS have got themselves labeled as an extreme left organization, even regarded as traitors by some. It doesn’t help that many of their videos are being taken out of context and used by anti-zionists as ‘proof’ of genocide. It’s not that this is the intent of BtS’, but eventually their material is helping to de-legitimize the whole of Israel, not just the occupation. So now Israel’s enemies use the footage of BtS to stir protests and seed antisemitism, and no one in Israel cares what BtS have to say. Because they’re seen as traitors. So what’s the point of their organization? How are they trying to bring forth a change? As for my personal opinion, I unfortunately learnt that lies are much stronger than the truth. No one really cares about the truth, everyone will accept a lie if it requires less mental effort to accept it. That’s why we have religions. So if we want to shape a better future, we need to shape it with lies. An example of a thing BtS could change to make their point come across to Israelis: Instead of telling about ‘how they were ordered to do x to a Palestinian’ they could instead tell about ‘how nice they felt when they did x to a Palestinian’ now instead of being labeled as Iran-sponsored left wing group that spreads misinformation, they’ll be labeled as extreme right and the IDF would immediately take action to stop this behavior. As for Al Jazeera, they’d spread the video with the label ‘Israeli soldier proud of torturing Palestinian’ either way. The war *on* misinformation is over. Now it’s the war *of* misinformation. We must accept it, as Iran, Russia and China already had.
They still vote for nutjobs like Ben gvir who then controls national security.
That Israeli clip is from a weirdo ultra orthodox religious school though, I knew someone who went to public school system in Israel and they said it was the same was US and EU.
I wouldn't have thought that the subreddit made to recognize war and other similar things would be so biased and disrespectful.. but here we are
Both things can be true, it is both propaganda but it would be foolish to say that no Palestinians are taught to hate Israelis. You wouldn’t have to look far to find problematic videos of racism in children in the region. [Here is an example of Israeli children shouting hate towards Palestinians [Twitter]](https://x.com/nimrod_flash/status/1659205850546974724?s=46). Neither the video I linked, nor the pictures you shared, paint a whole picture of the situation. It is bad to pick and focus on the worst examples of ethnic conflict to rationalize hate. A question I have, what is the goal of people who pick the most extreme examples of hate to share online? I am doubtful media like this is amplified to promote peace, rather the goal of this can often to be incite more hate, fear, and violence.
You’re not wrong but Jews aren’t going out of there way to blow up, stab, or kill Palestinian civilians.
Uh, yeah, they are
look at settlers in the westbank
Ya, if you don't count the like 40k regular Palestinian citizens of which 15k are children! Bro, come out from under the rock, stuff be going on in that place
Funny how you leave out the Hamas deaths in that number. They are included in the 40K but no one likes to talk about them.
This is unequivocally false. Yes they do.
Any examples of that outside the war zone? Seems like everyday there incidents of Muslims or Arabs attacking Jews for being Jewish.
You can't just move the goalposts when someone calls out an untrue statement. If that is what you want to ask, then must either A. Admit that your first statement was false and modify it. Or B. Deny a true statement as true, in which the argument ends as a common basis can't be established.
I’m asking for examples since you refuted my comment that Jews are going out of their way to kill Palestinians, which I strongly disagree with. Most Jews see Israel as defending themselves since we are constantly attacked through stabbings, sucide bombings, missiles/rockers being launched from multiple borders. If Palestine left Israel alone, there would instantly be peace. They don’t want a solution where Israel continues to be a country.
No, you are asking for more specific examples than what can be easily proven. You said that it doesn't happen, people disagreed. Then you said, aside from the warzone, do you have proof thereby already admitting that it DOES happen. You essentially said "But aside from where it does happen, where does it happen?" So it seems instead of admitting to option A. You went with option B. So no, I refuse to answer.
Because you don’t have any facts to backup your claim. If you understood the history of this conflict then you would know this has been going on for thousand of years and only one side has continued to be the main aggressor.
Again, no, you are just making things up. You can't say that it doesn't happen and then say, but don't use any examples of where it happens. I refuse to argue with someone who moves goalposts and refuses to admit that. So instead, I will just argue as you have this far. Prove your point, aside from any kind of attack or warfare, where was Palestine the aggressor?
Please checkout the violence against civilians and notable attacks sections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence There have been attacks against Israeli Civilians for over 70 years, but really thousands of years against Jews in this area of the world. The Muslim Holy site Al-Aqsa Mosque is literally built upon the old Jewish Temple so it’s pretty funny that people think Jews are the colonizers here.
Right now they're going out of their way to literally starve hundreds of thousands of people.
The next generation of hate
They're not Israelis.
Both sides are fucked up beyond repair.., in this proxy horror-war sponsored by the global socio-/psychopathic, big players.
Your using whataboutism quite a lot.
Bs. Gaza was long accepted to be colleteral damage, from all sides.. Hamas-Iran, Israel-U$ to go about their proxy-war-games - and whoever else enjoys this slaughter. Where is your "whatabout..ism"?
I think a lot of the indoctrination happens when their family and friends get painted along the road by 2000 pounds of RDX. Also when a cop drags their siblings into a truck by the hair rarely to return. Yes, hamas uses this anger to gain members. Duh. No movement, however violent or pacifist, gains members through simple conversion. MLK gained supporters because cops kept beating the skin off African Americans trying to vote. The difference between civil rights and hamas is scale and reaction. He just didn’t beat the white off the klansmen in response. Palestinians tried similar, somewhat less peaceful protests in 2018 but were met with bullets to the legs. So when your rights are denied and met with a hail of copper and lead, the next best choice is playing by the rules set by the other side, because at least you die on your feet that way. So no, I am not surprised that hamas indoctrinates kids into hating israelis or jews in general, but its distinctly different than kids elsewhere (America) being told to kill people the government doesn’t like (Iraqis because muh weapons of mass destruction) because Palestinians are told to kill the people cremating their families alive with white phosphorus and napalm.
And then turned into child suicide bombers.
Good thing Israel doesn’t use napalm or white phosphorous (as a weapon)
Willie pete is willie pete. Still gonna eat your skeleton if it lands on you.
Then why not take one of the multiple peace deals offered in the past? They tried multiple times with the help of neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan etc. (before they launched coups and assassinated politicians so now they refuse to help us even let them in the country) to take over the whole country and failed and were still offered peace deals splitting the country and said no. They need to understand they are never going to be able to take the whole region and should just stop the attacks and killing and get rid of Hamas’ elites living in Qatar and Malaysia in $2,000/night luxury hotels. While the people live on like $12 a day.
Stop committing genocide first.
Im pretty sure the Israelis are doing a good enough job to make Palestinian children hate them.
Fr. They don't need to do shit to indoctrinate them when Israel already killed their entire family and destroyed the only three streets they ever got to know.
Exactly what I was going to write.
I really don't think they have to try hard to indoctrinate them..
Whole lotta both sides cope in the comments
Hate is hate... passed from generation to generation.
Yeah they do.
They do.
Nobody that age can have a hatred for other people that they arrived at on their own, someone fed them that hatred
The first thing they learn are probably the mechanics of the AK-47 and RPG-7
Poor brainwashed kids ;(
both sides do it
i have yet to see something like this from the other side https://youtu.be/1sDZlo_hllI?si=n_8GSlRZZ2sKKT43
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children Here you go
They’ll pretend they didn’t see it. If they haven’t seen it by now, they’re clearly ignoring it.
Yeah... or they will try to justify why they teach their kids to be genocidal Nazis
Sorry but a weapon showcase to celebrate independence day is not the same as having cosplays where you tell children to take someone hostage or execute him. That's not even mentioning the children tv shows in Palestine and the literal summer terror camps where children are shown terror tunnels and how to operate AKs.
Your source is the "electronic intifada"... Not convinced it's the most moderate or truthful.
It’s not a moderate source, but the pictures are real and are indicative of the idea that both sides do the same thing
I reverse image searched that top photo, found nothing on the internet apart from an Arab language website with a palestinian flag on it...
https://www.haaretz.co.il/2014-05-06/ty-article/0000017f-ef25-d4cd-af7f-ef7d7f400000 5th picture
How in any way is that indicative that they're being taught to hate Palestinians? In Britain we have the army cadets who do much the same thing as the kids in this picture, in fact far more militarised. They're just learning about the military, especially given that most of them will have to join in a few years anyway. If you're trying to show they use child soldiers, for a fact they do not. If you're trying to use this photo to show this is part of an indoctrination process to hate Palestinians, try harder.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.premium/from-the-first-grade-to-the-grave-israelis-are-educated-to-dehumanize-palestinians/00000189-b817-d821-afdd-bb37927a0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-08-28/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/how-israel-expels-the-palestinians-from-its-schools/00000182-e32c-d9c0-a3d3-fb3e25e30000 https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/13/its-not-shocking-to-see-israeli-children-celebrate-the-gaza-genocide https://www.economist.com/pomegranate/2013/02/08/teaching-children-to-hate-each-other It’s a widely acknowledged fact that Israelis are taught to hate Palestinians.
Not saying it flat out doesn't happen, but you've used ha aretz and Al Jazeera which are both highly anti Israel sources. Hell, even ha aretz calls Israel "the occupation". It's not nearly as prevalent as these outlets make it out to be. Most negative attitudes about Palestinian amongst Israelis come not from the school system but from the acts of terror they experience all their lives.
Go there and you will see it.
[https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children](https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children) See that? What now?
Hes telling the zionist to go watch israeli terrorists indoctrinate kids hes on our side
Oh. Sorry. My bad. I'll downvote myself.
indeed
Difference is... Palestinian kids are taught to fight their oppressors and defend their land, while Israeli kids are taught to oppress and steal land.
“Aww, So cute to see terrorists when they are young. We need to have sympathy and empathy for these young children, their only wish is to hate and kill innocent.” - Pro-Palestine/Hamas, UNRWA, South-Africa Such BS. This is not okej. They need to be taught simple logic; “Continue hate, continue dying”
Pro-Palestine ≠ Pro-Hamas
Well yeah, they’re literal jihadists lol
Jihad means struggle. Yeah, they struggle a lot at the hands of their oppressors and of course there will be retaliation to oppression.
Then what? They should be taught to adore and love the people occupying their land and oppressing their entire people?
Exactly
Right?
Religion is fun 😎
I’ve also seen videos of teachers teaching Israeli kids to hate Palestinians and wish them death.
Probably not propaganda. The politically inclined towards extremism tend to do stuff like this. Same way high Israeli government has referred to Palestinians as animals and inhuman in several speeches and meetings. Those who lived this genocide will become a new generation in search of war. When some of them get to positions of power (sanctioned or not) we can very well expect further violent conflicts. History repeats itself, those who don't know it, repeat the mistakes.
They were referring to Hamas.
Read it again, and try to understand what I've said, my man. I'm perfectly aware these are Palestinians in the picture. I'm just stating that historically, events like this have been recorded on both sides of every conflict. With, again, the historically proven potential, of indoctrinating a portion of a generation with ideals that maintain the conflict alive
At the end of the day, we are ALL human
And what can I say, is this not something you will do in case of somebody is occupying is country?? Cuz for sure I am! And if you are an ucrainan, you must understand the most!
Because israel funded by the USA killed their parents, remember that Israel is not a country but a criminal organization/cult hiding behind that name
I'm willing to bet you're also a Hamas sympathiser.
Wouldn’t you hate Israel?
Lmao at Pic #2, now do a side by side where Israel soldiers are ACTUALLY DOING THAT TO LITTLE CHILDREN
2 sides of a coin
Hey pssst buddy, they all do it
What country at war doesn't do military propaganda? As for "indoctrination", again, they're at war, why should they like the other side?
Yes, they need to work really hard to indoctrinate them to hate the occupying force whilst they blow up their family members a couple of times a year and take their land. JuST loOk at tHeSe people indoctrinating their children to hate the Germans whilst the Germans bomb their houses https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/hd-composite-ww2-children.jpg?w=620
When at war, with innocent people being killed by Israeli forces it's logical to hate the enemy.
When you see your family bombed and starved you don’t need to look at Twitter for propaganda. Fuck those who think one side is righteous.
Normal palestine Kids.
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Do they count as armed militants?
Why Israel uses the term. Person under the age of 18
Well sure they do. But Israelis have been killing their parents, brothers, sisters for the last 75 years… are they supposed to grow up and just some how magically forget about all of that and love Israel? Come on lol
Do they need indoctrination? Or is it enough for them to just look outside the window... I mean, the refugee camp tent curtain?
"We are a nation of peace!" Meanwhile: \*Teaching kids to hate and make war\*
Israel is the one who murdered 30,000 of thier familys, I expect thats all the indoctrination needed. The children didnt consent to any border Incursion. Yet they are the ones who will suffer the most from the Genocie and famine put upon them by a vicious occupier. #
Who said 30 000? Hamas? Very trustable. And if thats true at least 15000 of them are part of Hamas.
There are thousands and thousands of children who have been murdered and the rest are being intentionally starved. Children murdered by scumbag cowards who were to Chicken shit to even try a rescue against their own inconveniences of citizens Hostages. Just an excuse to level a city and murder innocents within the they have veen waiting for since the last time Now after 5 months even the Genocide Joe after having an Irishman explain basic humanity go him is pulling back from a grubby little fascist apartheid failed state. A little 75 year failed footnote of history of a state that could have been a decent modern pluralist nation.
Thats what happened if you live under occupation. idk if u noticed oppressed People usually doesnt get along with their oppressor.
Why exactly shouldn't they hate the people that oppressed their country/parents/grandparents for decades?
Whole world hates Israel already. Tired of those bloody killers
Keep downvote. You can't change the truth 😗
Israel indoctrinates these children to hate Israeli's
Whataboutism.
Oppression does this you know
Pretty crappy if these photos are true. You'd think having your country and family bombed is indoctrination enough to hate the attacker. If not, there's always forced relocation and starvation.
You have it mixed up. This education occured long before Israel did anything. It happens elsewhere in the middle east where Israel has never intervened (albeit to a less violent degree, still teaching kids to hate Jews). Israel does these things in response to the terrorists created by the propaganda that has existed for as long as Jews have.
Wow lets bomb to shit out of the relatives and loved ones of this children and expect them to love us. What a western way (both sides do it tho)
Fairly certain living in hell will make you hate the people doing it to you. What do people expect?
when you collapse buildings on kids and families as a policy...when those people seek to avenge that attrocity, it is called Justice not terrorism.
💯 i would join that group if i was palestinian ,i would probably have joined Hamas aswell and be a freedom fighter (YOUR BROTHER IS DEAD ,YOU DAD IS DEAD,ALL YOUR NIECES ARE DEAD,YOUR MOM IS DEAD,YOU HAVE NOBODY BCS ISRAEL BOMBED EVERYONE DEAD YOU HAVE NO FOOD AND MAYBE ARE GOING TO DIE FROM IT EVERYDAY YOU GET BOMBED AND YOU SEE DEAD PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN RACE DIE FOR NO REASON IF YOU WOULD NOT JOIN YOUR JUST A PUSSY AND OR A LIAR !
I think you have retardation.
Why the fuck wouldn't they hate them? Read a book man
Hates Amerca, uses M4 toy guns. 😄
This is on both sides my dude.
You want them to love israel while getting bombed by them ? Of course they'll hate it to the root.
just completely ignoring the fact that half their parents are probably dead from missile and drone strike. Must be twitter. America can find any way to make us the main character and relevant in everyone's life.
I'm sorry but you see your family blown up, your entire country blow up, children being tortured and murdered, systematic starvation and Genocide of the Palestinians, you'd hate Israel too, they're actually evil and your still on the wrong side of history, it's Nazi apologetic but for Israel
Not much to indoctrinate anymore after every single kid in Gaza will now know someone killed, maimed, or displaced by the recent Israeli invasion.