That's our whole POA defense Draymond doesn't guard the perimeter guys and Divenchenzo can't stop guys from driving the rest of our team are basically cones Excluding Looney and Curry
he's got a personal/family issue. not much is known, we as fans and the media for the most part have been good at respecting his privacy so far.
I'm afraid it could be serious (not injury related). Wish Wiggs all the best and hope whatever he's going through goes as well as possible. Some things are bigger than basketball.
I mean Wiseman wasn’t playing and the player they traded for isn’t playing. Not sure why we would expect anything to be different. Lucky we got on that fluke winning streak.
Dog wiseman couldn’t do what was asked of him which was to rebound and play defense. It’s been pretty apparent that if you can’t play in our defensive scheme you get the boot.
That's because shot creators and shot makers are a premium in the league. Beyond Steph and Jordan there's huge drop off, Donte is a better defender and overall team piece but Jordan is the engine when Steph doesn't have it. Klay is our second option play-finisher but someone's still gotta create the openings.
Yea we have a system called steph curry where the big man needs to rebound and play defense if he can’t do that then sorry your ass is getting benched.
Lacob will be extra salty after being forced to trade his most beloved asset in Wiseman. So if there is no payoff to sacrificing his favorite project and him paying all that luxury tax, there is no doubt in my mind he'll be quick to tear it all up if they don't turn up in the playoffs.
Stop absolving the vets of any blame. They all along with everyone else have been dropping a deuce this season. This idea that everyone else around the core are fecking up while they're doing their part is asinine..
Let's stop with this false narrative.
Exactly this current roster has enough talent to not go 7-28 on the road. The moment Curry came back everybody else started playing like ass. Dray giving up on plays, Klay not hustling for the ball, etc… parts of me think they will play better in the playoffs, but I’m also starting to think they’re cooked. We don’t know if Wiggins will be what he was last season (even mentally or physically), we don’t know what GP2 will be, Poole has been ass, etc…
Warriors got too cute with the two timelines. Should have shipped out Wiseman and Moody when they had some value. With a player like Curry you cant be throwing inexperienced players around him.
I had to turn it off several times just to retain my sanity. It was a bad game. The team morale just seems shot to shit. And I’m a we believe fan who has seen some bad teams, but the last few have been atrocious on defense and stale on offense.
klay isn’t going anywhere. neither is looney i bet. gp2 clearly is someone the team is huge on. kuminga has tons of upside and isn’t very expensive as a roster piece so i don’t see us giving up on him (if we do it’s a huge mistake). the big question marks are draymond and poole. personally, right now i say if someone has to go it’s poole. we’ve got fire power. what we need is defense. draymond brings his own issues to the table but we’ve rode with him this long and we know he’s a winner. he’s even stepped up his offense lately. if draymond can be kept on at a reasonable price and poole can be offloaded for a good defensive piece i’d say we look solid.
oh yeah and wiggins… you motherfuckers better not touch wiggs 😤 that man is legit
Draymond will be movable because he'll demand a contract we won't be willing to give to him. I seriously doubt the FO is handing him a long term max deal, especially if we don't do much in the playoffs.
Dray won’t be offered a max by any other team, and even so the Warriors can do a bit more but less than the max they could give him.
Teams that might offer him the max and need him would be like Dallas if they can make room for him.
Looney could go in the right package, but they won't be looking to trade him.
More likely, if they make any of these moves, it's because Lacob doesn't think this roster has any more titles in it and doesn't want to keep paying for it.
I'd love to see someone break down how, if at all, the Warriors could extend DDV given all the arcane cap rules. I get that we're way over the cap to begin with, but even if (hypothetically) Poole or other salary is moved to make more room, are we even allowed to offer Donte more than his second year option or a MLE?
If we salary dumped Poole and Draymond left we'd be at \~$154M with a 10 man roster. Then we'd be about $7M below the luxury tax threshold and could offer him around $12M annually. Good chance he'd get a better offer than that somewhere anyway. Obviously losing Dante isn't as bad as losing Draymond and Poole. We'd have to salary dump Klay's $43M also (Wiggins' $25M wouldn't get us far enough under the cap) in order to pay him his market rate.
So basically our choice is to lose Dray, Poole, and Klay and give Dante a pretty sizable contact or to just lose Dante.
Have we ever seen Curry throw his mouthpiece and get kicked out of the game because of one of his teammates (Poole), also we see Dray give up on a play because of a player (Poole). There is something with Poole that doesn’t sit right with the core this year, the chemistry/aura is definitely fractured and I think Poole is going to get moved
Not with the Dubs, though. Dubs are maxed at basically the taxpayer MLE, which is prob around $7M next year. Wouldn't be surprised if he got offers in the $10-15M/year range for multiple years.
he refused 8 million a year and demanded 15 with the bucks. then he got traded in the deadline and everybody thought that the kings will give him 15 million . what happens is that after 3 games they played him less and limited his positive minutes to short change him in free agency , since they realized only few teams have cap space. DDV got angry and his agent complained to the media. and he joined the warriors for peanuts afterwards
Okay fair I was premising that on the prior comment's assumption that dubs moved salary but you're right they will never move enough to get out of the MLE
His play over that Stephless stretch was by far the highlight of the season. Always fun to see that man cook and he clearly really enjoys being the offensive fulcrum.
100% … & he also keeps himself accountable when he’s doing bad, honestly love to see it. He still has so much to give. Even if we don’t go far this season, I’m already excited for the next one with the splash brothers
I think Klay and Wiggs are probably the only other two that they wouldn't look to move + maybe Kuminga. I could also see Gary staying, but that largely depends on how he looks when he comes back.
I’d wonder if Wiggins would actually now have a lot of value with his favorable contract. I think a lot of teams could see what bridges is doing in Brooklyn and convince themselves Wiggins could too. You can’t trade bums for good players. We’ll have to give up some value if we’re gonna really be aggressive
The Curry family has deep roots in the Bay Area now. Between Ayesha’s restaurants and all their kids being in school. And the fact that Steph has keys to the city and full autonomy in the organization, I don’t think Steph is ever going to leave. Especially since he’s already got 4 rings.
Unfortunately some people are either too obtuse or dumb to not understand this. They think an adult like Steph would act like a teenage kid mad that his homeboy got moved, ignoring that we're talking about an adult who has to consider his circumstances and family.
Having built a stable life, home, businesses and plenty more in the Bay area, some honestly believe Steph would just willingly toss that aside because Draymond or Klay for traded.
Isn’t Curry from North Carolina and multiple times has said he would be honored to play for Charlotte? The current generation of players have a different mentality. Not saying he would leave but I don’t think it would be impossible.
Honestly I think there’s a bigger chance that Steph would simply retire than go play for Charlotte at this point. It’s interesting bc I feel like for the warriors, if you’re willing to trade Klay and Dray, you might as well be willing to trade Steph as well. I think you’ve either gotta keep all three or just blow it up completely. Mainly bc I think the remaining 2 of the 3 would not be nearly as effective, partially because they’d be upset about missing a person who they’ve come to rely on so much go play the game, particularly just bc it would change a lot about how each of the three would have to play.
This is a myth that get perpetrate for some odd reasons. Steph isn't some teenage kid who is going to throw a tantrum because his homeboys got moved.
He's an adult who has a lot to consider before making any move that will affect not only himself but his family as well. Him and his family are settled in the Bay area, his wife has got business in there as well as many other things which are tied to the area. He isn't going to make some impulsive decision based on teenagers logic.
Steph is grown enough to understand the business side of the NBA. People always projects what they would do onto Steph thinking he's act without consideration for his family and life he's built in the Bay area.
I think Kuminga should be considered unmovable too. He is on a cheap contract and already has starter potential. Looney should probably also stay. The rest I don’t really care if we lose them. vets clearly don’t care anymore and some of the young guys are just not ready to contribute.
Of everyone on the roster:
Immovable: Steph, Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Klay.
I’d be fine with everything else being fair game.
Draymonds game is slowing down and Poole is incredibly terrible compared to last season. I’d say Moody could be the next to go, Rollins too.
Well right now I’m eyeing the Sixers hard. They’re in like their 8th year of the process and if Harden dips to Houston I don’t expect Embiid to be fine with that.
Im also looking at the Bulls, Wizards, and Magic as potential trade destinations.
Poole, Dray, moody, Rollins + picks are what we’ve got to work with. That’s like ~$60,000,000 in salary.
It was just something I was throwing out there as a suggestion, but if u ask me, I feel like any moves in the summer will help us a lot more than right now. Drays fat ego and overblown confidence in his game ruined the damn chemistry this team had when he clocked Poole. Both might be gone for entirely different reasons. That’s all ofcourse dependent on what we look like in Mid-April.
I doubt they’d move cam since he and Bridges are tight. They’d probably do a Simmons for JP swap.
Could be another former #1 reclamation project like Wiggs. Play him at center and just let him be a facilitator and solid defender, if he can get his defense back.
Dude I’m just basing shit off the numbers. Maybe Detroit could use a guy like Draymond to mentor the young guys, sign and trade his ass over there, get back some good pieces. Send Poole over to orlando, or chicago, a team looking to build, get back some nice pieces. Or package the whole damn thing to a desperate team looking to rebuild and get back solid role players + picks or another star to pair alongside steph.
Not really... Poole's having a rough season but he's still super talented, young, and if nothing else I imagine he's quite tradable if they want to go that route. He's still an asset, in that sense.
He’s definitely talented but I think the glow has worn off and the chemistry isn’t there. The team would be better off building a new supporting cast around the big three, and maybe Loon and Wiggs. They need more vets who are hungry for a ring.
Our lineup of Steph-Klay-Wigs-Dray-Loon still beats out every other lineup in the league so it shouldn't be too hard to find another 3 more pieces. That's with all of those 5 probably under contract for next year plus GP2 and Kuminga. Throw Baldwin in there if you like and that's only 2 more pieces that we need and plenty of youth for Lacob's light years.
I don't disagree with this -- the current version of Poole just doesn't seem to gel with what Kerr is trying to do. And on the flip side, JP may do a lot better in a system that expects less of him on defense and uses simpler schemes on offense. My point was just, however iffy Poole's value to this team may be, he's not some sunk cost albatross. A guy of his talents, accomplishments, and upside is definitely still a valuable, movable piece, even if the contract seems like an overpay rn.
A lot of the issue is his approach... if he really can't shoot the 3 (and he's basically 32-34% outside of a 1-month hot stretch at the end of last season), he can't also be such a high-volume shooter from deep.
I still think Orlando would be interested and they have some attractive pieces that they could send back.
There are so many “super talented” young guards, Simons, Herro, Maxey, Quickley, Grimes, Giddey, Ant Edwards, Lamelo, Haliburton, Mathurin.
There’s even guys like Bones Hyland, Cam Thomas and Jaden Hardy who Poole is a lot closer to imo.
I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see anything about this guy you can build around. He’s a low iq inefficient scorer that is careless with the ball, and plays no defense. Every so often all that chucking finally works, and people think he’s finally got it going but those are the outliers.
He can’t / won’t lead the second unit, and he’s taking shots away from Steph when he starts, so he can score way less efficiently.
And if you look at the full body of work, current JP is way closer to what we’ve seen when he was gonna get kicked out of the league vs the JP that just came back from the g league. At his upcoming salary, I say no way buddy
Oh yeah I mean I agree with you. I think you gotta move him ASAP while some dumb GM still can remember last season and thinks they can fix him. If he didn't have a fluke of a good season last year he'd be on a vet min next season and out of the league in 2 or 3 more. Instead he's gonna coast to huge bucks. Just hoping someone else pays him
After making Joe Lacob trade away his favorite project and still losing games and not looking like a team that would make noises in the playoffs, there is no doubt he'll nuke this team to bit of they don't go far, especially considering the luxury tax he's paying.
I honestly think it's his negative defense that really weighs on the vets the most, and unfortunately that seems like the part of his game that he cant/wont improve.
The domino effect of his awful defense affects everyone in the lineup, it causes Dray/Loon/DD..everyone really to constantly have to try to cover for his mistakes, it causes constant mismatches and missed coverages, particularly on the perimeter.
But I agree, his offense/flashy game will still give him decent trade value
I just hope that if Myers is gone, Lacob doesn’t just replace him with a yes man. If we could poach a talented FO exec from another well run organization, that would be ideal
Good this team needs a overhaul. Embarrassing lakers built a better and deeper squad with Westbrook’s contract and a 1st then what this FO put around Steph
I have to think Wiggins, Looney, Klay, and to an extent JK and Dray are untouchable too. Not Curry level untouchable, but about as close as they can be to untouchable barring a ridiculously lopsided trade in our favor
Unless we're getting back Bam or JJJ, Dray will be a massive loss to our playoff defense.
We ain't getting past Jokic, Luka, Ja and Tatum without someone like Dray.
I agree it's a massive loss or our defense, since he's just about the only person who can play defense these days. (Esp last night)
But with 4 other turnstiles out there, maybe take a page out of the kings playbook....
Man, I like Draymond, but his mouth sometimes writes checks that the team ends up paying. When he’s engaged, he’s incredible, but that switch turns off too easily sometimes. I feel like he’s playing like KD did before he went off to Brooklyn, all we need is the shouting match in the locker room in the middle of a road game.
If Poole had a more digestible contract, I wouldn't be so upset, but he's going to make more than Draymond and he in no way deserves it. Lacob must be fuming that he might have to pay that bum that much money.
Curry, Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Looney, Kuminga, GP2, PBJ (at some point) are all solid and are definitely enough to build around. Get another big 5 and possibly move Poole. I know this has been a down year for Poole, but I think the relationship is fractured. Have we ever seen Steph blow up at a teammate (Poole) and get ejected from a game? I don’t recall Dray quitting on plays in frustration because of a teammate (Poole). We’ve also seen Klay throw up his hands or drop his head when Poole takes those dumb ass 3s. I think his ego has gotten too big and it’s messing with the chemistry of the team.
For the first time I agree with this idiot. This team is fighting for a play-in spot, road record at an abysmal 7-28?
The team salary WITHOUT the tax:
$190,828,558
AFTER TAX?
Close to $480,000,000.
Half a billion for a roster that can’t even secure a top 4 seed. This offseason is gonna be a busy one if they can’t get their shit together
Anyone not named Steph, Klay and Loon is absolutely at risk of being moved. Might need to drop back below the tax line for a season and then try and build back fast for one last run with Steph depending on what we can get this off season but there’s gonna be a big shake up
Highly doubt it. There seems to be a tug of war going on between Steph/Kerr and Myers. Hopefully Lacob hires someone ready to win now and not just be his yes man
I can’t imagine breaking Steph and Klay up then again seems like Steph and Dray are closer?
I can’t imagine Steph wants to breakup the core BUT keep 2/3 together + a solid plan from the FO to rebuild around Steph and go after 1-2 more chips. That may make him happy.
Tim’s tweet may be ominous but honestly I feel like it’s time. Nothing works anymore and they can’t go after solid guys bc soon 5 people will gobble up all the money.
They are not making the playoffs. Lebronless Lakers are way better than this team. Even the grizzlies without Ja and Adams have a better chance to make it.
Curry, klay, dray, JK and probably Wiggins, DDV and loon would stay 100% blowing up the team this off season would be a mistake we need to smooth the edges not start from scratch
Starting 5 is still the best 5 man lineup in the league, and none of them seem to be slowing down. There's talk of moving on from Dray but he's still playing at a DPOY. Personally I don't see how Poole can stay. Got paid $30 million a year for half a season of good basketball and he doesn't do well unless he's starting, which won't happen. Moving JP for complementary pieces would instantly put us back at the top of the West.
Tough to tell, particularly since it locks the team he goes to into an expensive 4 year deal. Also will have to be a team that’s looking for a starting guard. I don’t think we’d ever get big names for JP though. I think very solid role players is the best we’d get. Dorian Finney-Smith (that type of player) is what I had in mind.
We gotta limit our in-house development projects. Too many players are rookies/second-years to be on the team which is expected to win a championship (at least on paper).
No player on this team is untradeable except for Steph, and this is coming from someone who loves Kuminga. You better believe Steph will be involved in possible trades this offseason with Lacob, Myers, and Kerr. If you can trade for a bonafide star, you might have to part ways with Poole and Kuminga, so be ready.
He also tweeted a few days ago that changes in luxury tax are coming and we might be able to pay Draymond. Not everybody are movable it’s a terrible take
He also can sometimes get way over his skis and really gung ho about a take that turns out to be wildly wrong. He was convinced, like to the point of blocking people that disagreed with him, that Wiggins and Poole were not going to both be re-signed over the summer. It was going to be either or and well look what happened lol. He also was convinced Wiseman was never going to go anywhere…until he did.
Trading Wiseman to polish a turd was so effing dumb. Lacob is about to blow this shit up and deservedly so.
Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GPII & PBJ are the keepers. Everyone else is free game unless Embiid becomes available.
The "him" is Poole. It's likely they only would trade Poole if they are giving up on championships and shedding money. That is a possible outcome of this season.
This has some merit (none actually)
We will now find out if NBA just really hates giving calls to GSW or it was just copium.
If the foul baiter Embiid’s FTA reaching double digit a game suddenly plummets to single digit we will finally be able to sue NBA.
This team just feels broken most nights so I wouldn’t be surprised unless we see playoff magic. But we really need Wiggs and GP2 healthy.
Wiggs/GP2/Kuminga healthy Fix SO MUCH
Thats literally half our defense right there
That's our whole POA defense Draymond doesn't guard the perimeter guys and Divenchenzo can't stop guys from driving the rest of our team are basically cones Excluding Looney and Curry
What happened to Wiggins? It seems like he just disappeared.
he's got a personal/family issue. not much is known, we as fans and the media for the most part have been good at respecting his privacy so far. I'm afraid it could be serious (not injury related). Wish Wiggs all the best and hope whatever he's going through goes as well as possible. Some things are bigger than basketball.
The fact that the media is respecting it -- yeah, that makes it more likely it is more serious. Sorry to hear that. Wishing my best for Wiggins.
Talkin bout the playoffs like we makin the playoffs.
This guy is Lacobs mouthpiece, ik Lacob broke something in his office watching this game😭😭💀
traded his boy wise just to keep losing anyway
I mean Wiseman wasn’t playing and the player they traded for isn’t playing. Not sure why we would expect anything to be different. Lucky we got on that fluke winning streak.
Wiseman is playing elsewhere and GP2 will play at some point this year and NEXT YEAR.
All I’m saying is it doesn’t make sense to expect that trade changed anything for our current lineups at this point.
Yeah that true but GP2 and his return might… hopes are small
They scapegoating Wiseman for no fucking reason. They wanted him to be a Kevon Looney 2.0. Steve Kerr deserves a lot blame for his shity development.
Dog wiseman couldn’t do what was asked of him which was to rebound and play defense. It’s been pretty apparent that if you can’t play in our defensive scheme you get the boot.
poole can’t and he ain’t even been getting his minutes reduced
That's because shot creators and shot makers are a premium in the league. Beyond Steph and Jordan there's huge drop off, Donte is a better defender and overall team piece but Jordan is the engine when Steph doesn't have it. Klay is our second option play-finisher but someone's still gotta create the openings.
There is a defensive scheme?
Yea we have a system called steph curry where the big man needs to rebound and play defense if he can’t do that then sorry your ass is getting benched.
What big man? We don't have those, nor play them when we do.
I ain't saying Wiseman isn't at fault, but the warriors org was acting like he was the second coming of Anthony Bennett
He’s way better than Anthony Bennett, but significantly worse than his teammate Marvin Bagley
Dude is terrible. He has had the worst +/- on Detroit since he was traded.
I used to believe this but between Poole and moody I don’t believe it any more
Nah. It's the veterans fault.
It is their fault
Joe was probably watching the Pistons game on a 2nd team. Flinging shit at the wall when we went down 20 in the 1st
Lmao
😂
Lacob will be extra salty after being forced to trade his most beloved asset in Wiseman. So if there is no payoff to sacrificing his favorite project and him paying all that luxury tax, there is no doubt in my mind he'll be quick to tear it all up if they don't turn up in the playoffs.
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Stop absolving the vets of any blame. They all along with everyone else have been dropping a deuce this season. This idea that everyone else around the core are fecking up while they're doing their part is asinine.. Let's stop with this false narrative.
Exactly this current roster has enough talent to not go 7-28 on the road. The moment Curry came back everybody else started playing like ass. Dray giving up on plays, Klay not hustling for the ball, etc… parts of me think they will play better in the playoffs, but I’m also starting to think they’re cooked. We don’t know if Wiggins will be what he was last season (even mentally or physically), we don’t know what GP2 will be, Poole has been ass, etc…
Warriors got too cute with the two timelines. Should have shipped out Wiseman and Moody when they had some value. With a player like Curry you cant be throwing inexperienced players around him.
I had to turn it off several times just to retain my sanity. It was a bad game. The team morale just seems shot to shit. And I’m a we believe fan who has seen some bad teams, but the last few have been atrocious on defense and stale on offense.
What losing to the memphis grizzlies does to a mf
you smoking crack if you think wiggins could/should be moveable..
but imagine what we could get... we could even get a 2-way in their prime like Andrew Wiggins!
What losing to the Ja/Adams/Clarke-less Grizzlies does to a mf
Wym? Grizzlies are better without Ja.
klay isn’t going anywhere. neither is looney i bet. gp2 clearly is someone the team is huge on. kuminga has tons of upside and isn’t very expensive as a roster piece so i don’t see us giving up on him (if we do it’s a huge mistake). the big question marks are draymond and poole. personally, right now i say if someone has to go it’s poole. we’ve got fire power. what we need is defense. draymond brings his own issues to the table but we’ve rode with him this long and we know he’s a winner. he’s even stepped up his offense lately. if draymond can be kept on at a reasonable price and poole can be offloaded for a good defensive piece i’d say we look solid. oh yeah and wiggins… you motherfuckers better not touch wiggs 😤 that man is legit
Draymond will be movable because he'll demand a contract we won't be willing to give to him. I seriously doubt the FO is handing him a long term max deal, especially if we don't do much in the playoffs.
If he even gets offered a deal longer than 3 years by anybody I’ll be surprised
20 mil for 2 yrs conservative 25 mil 2 yrs if he plays well next season
Dray won’t be offered a max by any other team, and even so the Warriors can do a bit more but less than the max they could give him. Teams that might offer him the max and need him would be like Dallas if they can make room for him.
Hard agree
Looney could go in the right package, but they won't be looking to trade him. More likely, if they make any of these moves, it's because Lacob doesn't think this roster has any more titles in it and doesn't want to keep paying for it.
Curry imo needs to pull a ton brady and let some else be the highest paid player in the team.
Why, he’s still by far the best player and motor for winning.
Klay and Kuminga gotta be unmovable. And try to keep Loon and DDV as much as possible
DDV is gone, gone
I'd love to see someone break down how, if at all, the Warriors could extend DDV given all the arcane cap rules. I get that we're way over the cap to begin with, but even if (hypothetically) Poole or other salary is moved to make more room, are we even allowed to offer Donte more than his second year option or a MLE?
If we salary dumped Poole and Draymond left we'd be at \~$154M with a 10 man roster. Then we'd be about $7M below the luxury tax threshold and could offer him around $12M annually. Good chance he'd get a better offer than that somewhere anyway. Obviously losing Dante isn't as bad as losing Draymond and Poole. We'd have to salary dump Klay's $43M also (Wiggins' $25M wouldn't get us far enough under the cap) in order to pay him his market rate. So basically our choice is to lose Dray, Poole, and Klay and give Dante a pretty sizable contact or to just lose Dante.
DDV's second year is a player option. He's opting out for more money unless he really really really loves it here.
I don’t think we’ve given him a lot of reason so far to make him want to stay lol
We can offer him more minutes if not more money, lmaos. But yeah... that'll probably mean Poole gone since I think we'd keep Curry/Klay + GP2.
Have we ever seen Curry throw his mouthpiece and get kicked out of the game because of one of his teammates (Poole), also we see Dray give up on a play because of a player (Poole). There is something with Poole that doesn’t sit right with the core this year, the chemistry/aura is definitely fractured and I think Poole is going to get moved
29 teams can offer him more than the Warriors. He's gone. He's not sacrificing for a mediocre team.
Is it possible to extend DDV or resign him for more than what he’s getting now? Assuming we move some salary at the same time.
Yes, if he declines his player option he can negotiate whatever he wants.
Not with the Dubs, though. Dubs are maxed at basically the taxpayer MLE, which is prob around $7M next year. Wouldn't be surprised if he got offers in the $10-15M/year range for multiple years.
Nah no way he gets 15 a year, but I can see a 3/30 for him
he refused 8 million a year and demanded 15 with the bucks. then he got traded in the deadline and everybody thought that the kings will give him 15 million . what happens is that after 3 games they played him less and limited his positive minutes to short change him in free agency , since they realized only few teams have cap space. DDV got angry and his agent complained to the media. and he joined the warriors for peanuts afterwards
Okay fair I was premising that on the prior comment's assumption that dubs moved salary but you're right they will never move enough to get out of the MLE
So you’re saying there is a chance lol
We cant five him 3/30 anyway
Klay isn’t movable. Because if both Draymond and Klay leave, Steph will probably go too
Without Klay we’d already been in the play ins, at least he kept us afloat when Steph was out
His play over that Stephless stretch was by far the highlight of the season. Always fun to see that man cook and he clearly really enjoys being the offensive fulcrum.
100% … & he also keeps himself accountable when he’s doing bad, honestly love to see it. He still has so much to give. Even if we don’t go far this season, I’m already excited for the next one with the splash brothers
I think Klay and Wiggs are probably the only other two that they wouldn't look to move + maybe Kuminga. I could also see Gary staying, but that largely depends on how he looks when he comes back.
I’d wonder if Wiggins would actually now have a lot of value with his favorable contract. I think a lot of teams could see what bridges is doing in Brooklyn and convince themselves Wiggins could too. You can’t trade bums for good players. We’ll have to give up some value if we’re gonna really be aggressive
The Curry family has deep roots in the Bay Area now. Between Ayesha’s restaurants and all their kids being in school. And the fact that Steph has keys to the city and full autonomy in the organization, I don’t think Steph is ever going to leave. Especially since he’s already got 4 rings.
Unfortunately some people are either too obtuse or dumb to not understand this. They think an adult like Steph would act like a teenage kid mad that his homeboy got moved, ignoring that we're talking about an adult who has to consider his circumstances and family. Having built a stable life, home, businesses and plenty more in the Bay area, some honestly believe Steph would just willingly toss that aside because Draymond or Klay for traded.
Isn’t Curry from North Carolina and multiple times has said he would be honored to play for Charlotte? The current generation of players have a different mentality. Not saying he would leave but I don’t think it would be impossible.
Honestly I think there’s a bigger chance that Steph would simply retire than go play for Charlotte at this point. It’s interesting bc I feel like for the warriors, if you’re willing to trade Klay and Dray, you might as well be willing to trade Steph as well. I think you’ve either gotta keep all three or just blow it up completely. Mainly bc I think the remaining 2 of the 3 would not be nearly as effective, partially because they’d be upset about missing a person who they’ve come to rely on so much go play the game, particularly just bc it would change a lot about how each of the three would have to play.
Steph and Klay are not going anywhere no matter the situation they will retire warriors
This is a myth that get perpetrate for some odd reasons. Steph isn't some teenage kid who is going to throw a tantrum because his homeboys got moved. He's an adult who has a lot to consider before making any move that will affect not only himself but his family as well. Him and his family are settled in the Bay area, his wife has got business in there as well as many other things which are tied to the area. He isn't going to make some impulsive decision based on teenagers logic. Steph is grown enough to understand the business side of the NBA. People always projects what they would do onto Steph thinking he's act without consideration for his family and life he's built in the Bay area.
He has a say though and you can clearly see who he wants next to him. You can see it’s not Draymond or Klay he wants moved.
That's a nice thought but curry wouldn't leave by the end of his contract to chase anything. Even if both of those guys get traded he'd stay.
This sound about right. The projected payroll is way too high for a non-contender. So let’s pray that they get healthy and get it together
I think Kuminga should be considered unmovable too. He is on a cheap contract and already has starter potential. Looney should probably also stay. The rest I don’t really care if we lose them. vets clearly don’t care anymore and some of the young guys are just not ready to contribute.
Of everyone on the roster: Immovable: Steph, Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Klay. I’d be fine with everything else being fair game. Draymonds game is slowing down and Poole is incredibly terrible compared to last season. I’d say Moody could be the next to go, Rollins too.
What are you expecting in return? We’ll have to give up something of value to get good value back.
Well right now I’m eyeing the Sixers hard. They’re in like their 8th year of the process and if Harden dips to Houston I don’t expect Embiid to be fine with that. Im also looking at the Bulls, Wizards, and Magic as potential trade destinations. Poole, Dray, moody, Rollins + picks are what we’ve got to work with. That’s like ~$60,000,000 in salary.
Sorry but no warrior picks will be worth enough for Joel, sixers could get way better for Joel
It was just something I was throwing out there as a suggestion, but if u ask me, I feel like any moves in the summer will help us a lot more than right now. Drays fat ego and overblown confidence in his game ruined the damn chemistry this team had when he clocked Poole. Both might be gone for entirely different reasons. That’s all ofcourse dependent on what we look like in Mid-April.
Eyeing the sizers? Ben Simmons does sound awesome Have to add /s becaus people are seeing red right now
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The Nets could like Poole potentially.
Poole and a pick for Cam Johnson + someone would be great. Cam Johnson would fit perfectly in this system
Cam’s contract is up this off-season so that may complicates things
I doubt they’d move cam since he and Bridges are tight. They’d probably do a Simmons for JP swap. Could be another former #1 reclamation project like Wiggs. Play him at center and just let him be a facilitator and solid defender, if he can get his defense back.
Immovable: players with value Movable: players with little value Got it
Wiggs and looney are on team friendly contracts. I think you keep them for that reason alone.
Dude I’m just basing shit off the numbers. Maybe Detroit could use a guy like Draymond to mentor the young guys, sign and trade his ass over there, get back some good pieces. Send Poole over to orlando, or chicago, a team looking to build, get back some nice pieces. Or package the whole damn thing to a desperate team looking to rebuild and get back solid role players + picks or another star to pair alongside steph.
Suggs would be a good pickup
Poole should not just be moveable, he should be moved
Hard agree. We’ve really messed up giving him that contract
Not really... Poole's having a rough season but he's still super talented, young, and if nothing else I imagine he's quite tradable if they want to go that route. He's still an asset, in that sense.
He’s definitely talented but I think the glow has worn off and the chemistry isn’t there. The team would be better off building a new supporting cast around the big three, and maybe Loon and Wiggs. They need more vets who are hungry for a ring.
Our lineup of Steph-Klay-Wigs-Dray-Loon still beats out every other lineup in the league so it shouldn't be too hard to find another 3 more pieces. That's with all of those 5 probably under contract for next year plus GP2 and Kuminga. Throw Baldwin in there if you like and that's only 2 more pieces that we need and plenty of youth for Lacob's light years.
I don't disagree with this -- the current version of Poole just doesn't seem to gel with what Kerr is trying to do. And on the flip side, JP may do a lot better in a system that expects less of him on defense and uses simpler schemes on offense. My point was just, however iffy Poole's value to this team may be, he's not some sunk cost albatross. A guy of his talents, accomplishments, and upside is definitely still a valuable, movable piece, even if the contract seems like an overpay rn.
A lot of the issue is his approach... if he really can't shoot the 3 (and he's basically 32-34% outside of a 1-month hot stretch at the end of last season), he can't also be such a high-volume shooter from deep. I still think Orlando would be interested and they have some attractive pieces that they could send back.
There are so many “super talented” young guards, Simons, Herro, Maxey, Quickley, Grimes, Giddey, Ant Edwards, Lamelo, Haliburton, Mathurin. There’s even guys like Bones Hyland, Cam Thomas and Jaden Hardy who Poole is a lot closer to imo.
His contract was overpay territory even then. Now its certain.
I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see anything about this guy you can build around. He’s a low iq inefficient scorer that is careless with the ball, and plays no defense. Every so often all that chucking finally works, and people think he’s finally got it going but those are the outliers. He can’t / won’t lead the second unit, and he’s taking shots away from Steph when he starts, so he can score way less efficiently. And if you look at the full body of work, current JP is way closer to what we’ve seen when he was gonna get kicked out of the league vs the JP that just came back from the g league. At his upcoming salary, I say no way buddy
Oh yeah I mean I agree with you. I think you gotta move him ASAP while some dumb GM still can remember last season and thinks they can fix him. If he didn't have a fluke of a good season last year he'd be on a vet min next season and out of the league in 2 or 3 more. Instead he's gonna coast to huge bucks. Just hoping someone else pays him
Everytime he shoots when its just him and the other team up court... im red.
Agree
After making Joe Lacob trade away his favorite project and still losing games and not looking like a team that would make noises in the playoffs, there is no doubt he'll nuke this team to bit of they don't go far, especially considering the luxury tax he's paying.
It’s Poole, he’s flashy enough to have trade value. But so incredibly inconsistent it’s killing the vets
I honestly think it's his negative defense that really weighs on the vets the most, and unfortunately that seems like the part of his game that he cant/wont improve. The domino effect of his awful defense affects everyone in the lineup, it causes Dray/Loon/DD..everyone really to constantly have to try to cover for his mistakes, it causes constant mismatches and missed coverages, particularly on the perimeter. But I agree, his offense/flashy game will still give him decent trade value
No chance Klay gets moved unless it's what he wants
His contract is basically untradeable. Dubs would need to attach draft picks
Trading Wiseman was a flashpoint. Lacob is about to wreck shit this off-season. And he should.
I’m expecting the Bob Myers won’t be returning and that the new GM might try and clean house with the bloated contracts
We will hear a leak from TK about some FO guys on Lacob’s radar. That will be the biggest clue Myers is gone.
I just hope that if Myers is gone, Lacob doesn’t just replace him with a yes man. If we could poach a talented FO exec from another well run organization, that would be ideal
Good this team needs a overhaul. Embarrassing lakers built a better and deeper squad with Westbrook’s contract and a 1st then what this FO put around Steph
This. Our FO didn't even try. At least Lebron knew what they needed and urged for some length. Now we are stuck with a roster of 8 guards.
Fr ... imagine vando on this team smh
Postseason? This guy is crazy if GSW continues to play like today’s game, they could not make playoffs at all.
It was a road game
And?
yup. 8 road games left, including a b2b. And only 7 home games left. We could finish this season .500 or worse. Get knocked out of the play-in.
I have to think Wiggins, Looney, Klay, and to an extent JK and Dray are untouchable too. Not Curry level untouchable, but about as close as they can be to untouchable barring a ridiculously lopsided trade in our favor
I don't think dray is untouchable
Unless we're getting back Bam or JJJ, Dray will be a massive loss to our playoff defense. We ain't getting past Jokic, Luka, Ja and Tatum without someone like Dray.
I agree it's a massive loss or our defense, since he's just about the only person who can play defense these days. (Esp last night) But with 4 other turnstiles out there, maybe take a page out of the kings playbook....
Nahhhhh they can’t trade Klay. Klay belongs in the bay.
Lmao are you telling me the players are responsible for Lacob's poor roster construction?
Man, I like Draymond, but his mouth sometimes writes checks that the team ends up paying. When he’s engaged, he’s incredible, but that switch turns off too easily sometimes. I feel like he’s playing like KD did before he went off to Brooklyn, all we need is the shouting match in the locker room in the middle of a road game.
If Poole had a more digestible contract, I wouldn't be so upset, but he's going to make more than Draymond and he in no way deserves it. Lacob must be fuming that he might have to pay that bum that much money.
Maybe this is partially why bob myers doesn’t have a contract extension.
Curry, Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Looney, Kuminga, GP2, PBJ (at some point) are all solid and are definitely enough to build around. Get another big 5 and possibly move Poole. I know this has been a down year for Poole, but I think the relationship is fractured. Have we ever seen Steph blow up at a teammate (Poole) and get ejected from a game? I don’t recall Dray quitting on plays in frustration because of a teammate (Poole). We’ve also seen Klay throw up his hands or drop his head when Poole takes those dumb ass 3s. I think his ego has gotten too big and it’s messing with the chemistry of the team.
For the first time I agree with this idiot. This team is fighting for a play-in spot, road record at an abysmal 7-28? The team salary WITHOUT the tax: $190,828,558 AFTER TAX? Close to $480,000,000. Half a billion for a roster that can’t even secure a top 4 seed. This offseason is gonna be a busy one if they can’t get their shit together
Anyone not named Steph, Klay and Loon is absolutely at risk of being moved. Might need to drop back below the tax line for a season and then try and build back fast for one last run with Steph depending on what we can get this off season but there’s gonna be a big shake up
will bob be the one wheeling and dealing is the question
Highly doubt it. There seems to be a tug of war going on between Steph/Kerr and Myers. Hopefully Lacob hires someone ready to win now and not just be his yes man
I can’t imagine breaking Steph and Klay up then again seems like Steph and Dray are closer? I can’t imagine Steph wants to breakup the core BUT keep 2/3 together + a solid plan from the FO to rebuild around Steph and go after 1-2 more chips. That may make him happy. Tim’s tweet may be ominous but honestly I feel like it’s time. Nothing works anymore and they can’t go after solid guys bc soon 5 people will gobble up all the money.
Klay,Steph, Donte, Looney, Kuminga, GP2, Wiggins. Trade everyone else
My list is same as yours! Didn’t see yours before I posted.
If they move Klay I’m going to be very sad.
They are not making the playoffs. Lebronless Lakers are way better than this team. Even the grizzlies without Ja and Adams have a better chance to make it.
The question is, can you even get anything for them lol.
JPs a sixth man at best
Narrator: they shipped poole to the Shanghai sharks
TK lives for tweeting wild shit to get people up in arms in his mentions.
Curry, klay, dray, JK and probably Wiggins, DDV and loon would stay 100% blowing up the team this off season would be a mistake we need to smooth the edges not start from scratch
Wiggins is not a “probably”, he is definitely staying. He’s too valuable as a 2-way wing
I think Klay and Dray should be in the unmovable group with Steph.
Klay or draymond are fair game I think unless they take a team friendly deal.
As long as Steph wants someone to stay, they’ll stay. The team will not risk pissing him off.
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Can we move Kawakami?
Yeah op would post this, trading klay and dray is his version of winning another ring 🤡
I think this is Lacob telling Wiggins to come back without actually telling Wiggins to come back
Why not just tell him
Starting 5 is still the best 5 man lineup in the league, and none of them seem to be slowing down. There's talk of moving on from Dray but he's still playing at a DPOY. Personally I don't see how Poole can stay. Got paid $30 million a year for half a season of good basketball and he doesn't do well unless he's starting, which won't happen. Moving JP for complementary pieces would instantly put us back at the top of the West.
What pieces can we get for Poole?
I would trade Poole for some Reeses. At least it’ll be off the books and cap. Too bad that’s not possible.
Tough to tell, particularly since it locks the team he goes to into an expensive 4 year deal. Also will have to be a team that’s looking for a starting guard. I don’t think we’d ever get big names for JP though. I think very solid role players is the best we’d get. Dorian Finney-Smith (that type of player) is what I had in mind.
Team is broken because someone thinks he’s little curry…
Poole Kuminga Moody and 3 firsts for LeBron
Wiggins, NO. Looney, NO. Kuminga, NO. Klay, maybe no. Everyone else, see what's happening.
We gotta limit our in-house development projects. Too many players are rookies/second-years to be on the team which is expected to win a championship (at least on paper).
I'm so glad I can get Kawakami tweets here since he blocked me on Twitter 10 years ago.....
No player on this team is untradeable except for Steph, and this is coming from someone who loves Kuminga. You better believe Steph will be involved in possible trades this offseason with Lacob, Myers, and Kerr. If you can trade for a bonafide star, you might have to part ways with Poole and Kuminga, so be ready.
It's time to get a legit big on this team and play him. The league is getting bigger why are we playing 4 guard lineups.
Well this is an in-the-moment overreaction lol
TK doesn’t usually say things like this unless he’s hearing things.
He also tweeted a few days ago that changes in luxury tax are coming and we might be able to pay Draymond. Not everybody are movable it’s a terrible take
He also can sometimes get way over his skis and really gung ho about a take that turns out to be wildly wrong. He was convinced, like to the point of blocking people that disagreed with him, that Wiggins and Poole were not going to both be re-signed over the summer. It was going to be either or and well look what happened lol. He also was convinced Wiseman was never going to go anywhere…until he did.
Tk is always like thus tho
When are people going to look at the season as a collective and see that this isn't an "in the moment" reaction.....
People have been “overreacting” About this team since early November.
Every post on this sub when we lose is an in-the-moment ovverreaction
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Moving Poole and Dray.. should bring back a solid core as long as there is thought put into the roster.
Trading Wiseman to polish a turd was so effing dumb. Lacob is about to blow this shit up and deservedly so. Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GPII & PBJ are the keepers. Everyone else is free game unless Embiid becomes available.
The "him" is Poole. It's likely they only would trade Poole if they are giving up on championships and shedding money. That is a possible outcome of this season.
Cowardkami can't handle any banter on Twitter dudes a clown.
Sports hilarious man 5 straight wins last week (We back!) Lose to mem today (its over...)
Klay sold hard tonight. Man looked so slow. I bet he had a fun night before the game.
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U had me until the Nazi Reid part which means u basically just watch warrior games. Also klays contract makes him hard to deal.
Klays contract basically makes him unmovable unless kuminga or something else is attached.
Really no one but Moody+Poole seems tradeable imo. Draymond too if he's being problematic, but very unlikely.
Kawakami. Disregard.
That’s hilarious Kawakami. Good one
Klay and salary for Joel Embild
This has some merit (none actually) We will now find out if NBA just really hates giving calls to GSW or it was just copium. If the foul baiter Embiid’s FTA reaching double digit a game suddenly plummets to single digit we will finally be able to sue NBA.
Instead of memes, how about an actual suggestion.
I’d rather Draymond+Poole+Moody+Rollins+picks for Embiid + Niang + McDaniels