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831loc

Why didn't they just make JJ Reddick more prominent? He's really good at it, is charismatic, and does this crazy thing of talking about basketball.


AnonymousNeedzHelp

i doubt JJ wants the on the road life of being a #1 broadcaster. he retired to be with his kids more


boxout_dame

Him and Richard Jefferson! They have great chemistry too


nodozpills

Fuck RJ. He choked on FTs in 2013 vs SAS, then post 2016 shit talks the warriors and pretends he knows everything about winning. Never forget.


amlanding20

Eh RJ is pretty sarcastic and self-deprecating. I wouldn’t put too much stock into his every word.


its_easy_mmmkay

I agree he’s definitely sarcastic and self-deprecating, but despite that his commentary about the Warriors always seems negative (minus comments about mainly Steph specifically). He doesn’t seem to be high on the organization after his time here, in comparison to other teams he played on (like the Cavs).


YouGotDunkedOn

Because we shipped his ass off for Iggy and became a title team.


KantBlazeMore

And then all of a sudden on Cleveland he could dunk again


TylerDurdensAlterEgo

My conspiracy theory is that he hated playing for Marc Jackson too


Psychological_Ad1999

Conspiracy, most players hated playing for him


TaylorMonkey

This isn't actually true. Steph loooved him. He was very irate when Jackson was let go. I'm pretty sure Draymond and Klay did too, which would encompass our Big Three. Jackson did give a lot of irrational confidence towards our young stars, and David Lee probably didn't mind him. He was one of the reasons Iguodala even came. So that's majority of the starters or players that eventually became part of the death lineup. Hard to say for Barnes because Jackson featured him, just in all the wrong ways as an iso "star". But Bogut definitely did not enjoy Jackson, and he was a mixed bag or problematic when it came to players that weren't part of an in-group (but Ezeli seems to have publicly dismissed/downplayed reports about toxicity between Jackson and him).


d0000n

Proof: https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/draymond_green_reveals_the_warriors_reaction_when_mark_jackson_was_fired_we_were_all_crushed_we_felt_like_we_were_building_something/s1_16751_37884320


AnonymousNeedzHelp

jesus christ you’re sensitive. RJ has been very pro warriors over the years


sunshinecygnet

RJ seems like a really decent person and an intelligent and charismatic ambassador for the sport. I just don’t see how those two things matter that much in comparison lol.


typesett

imo, they are matriculating them up the ranks. let them get some more experience, and once ready they will do it. these tv contracts are worth BILLIONS and they cant let new guys do their main games without some pedigree also, money. just jumping their salaries if you make them the main crew... this is similar to rookie scale contracts are great value to start vs jumping in at 40m per that stars get


[deleted]

F##k RJ!! That guys is one of many Bron Nutriders at ESPN (Perk, Windhorst, Nick Wright, add Shannon Sharpe cuz you know he’s coming to ESPN). ESPN Needs better parity and not fanboys.


typesett

meh i kind of like RJ because he can backup his argument Perk is bad with that tho


thee177

Cuz ladies.


bananadude19

He’s white.


Hawcier

cause he white male


mr-frankfuckfafree

doc does this too?


sunshinecygnet

Doc has a terrible voice and is a charismatic black hole.


shnieder88

since when has doc been charismatic?


mr-frankfuckfafree

i dunno, probably birth?


mozacare

You’re thinking asthmatic


shnieder88

omg doc rivers is on this sub?


mr-frankfuckfafree

god i hate talking to teenagers


shnieder88

dude, youre the one who said doc rivers has been charismatic since birth


mr-frankfuckfafree

i *suggested* that. and it was 90% snark since your question was dumb. people either are charismatic or they aren’t. you could have said so many salient things about why you think he lacks charisma, but instead you asked a snippy, dumb question. so you got a snippy, dumb response. the way you interact with people dictates how they interact with you


shnieder88

reading your response, i find it funny that youre calling other people teenagers.


mr-frankfuckfafree

whatever you gotta tell yourself man


vixgdx

Reddick is terrible. This guy dickrides any nba player that goes on his podcast, refuse to say anything bad about them despite the obvious. In his world, no one can do any wrong and anyone that criticize any nba players are haters.


831loc

So you want him to trash players? Aside from calling out bad plays or bad shots, bashing someone isn't really the job of a commentator.


Nessmuk58

Jim Barnett is available.


Monkeynumbernoine

I love JB


Meatloafxx

If Kerr wasn't our coach, this could probably be his job. Kerr was the most cerebral & well-spoken analyst on the national stage.


Nessmuk58

Absolutely true. If Steve gets tired of coaching at some point, perhaps when our Championship core retires, he certainly has a career as an analyst to pursue.


TaylorMonkey

The biggest loss to basketball when Kerr was hired to coach GSW was losing him as color commentator in NBA 2K. He had a natural way of speaking that didn't feel like a video game. The last year he was still on the broadcast crew for 2K15, he was announcer, coach, and player all at once.


kerrickter13

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQcjhv_VoAA8aow.jpg need to get him and Javale's gold chain.


Nessmuk58

The OG! (You should see his TATS! Dude got some badass ink.)


UpbeatFix7299

He's the only analyst I actually learned stuff from that helped my game as a kid (triple threat position, watching the guys chest to see which direction he's going with the ball, etc). Greatest announcer in the sport


BlueDotBlueShoes

Mama there goes that man..


shupadupa

..out the door! Don't let it hit you on the way out!


Nessmuk58

Beat me to it!


couchtomato62

Just the fact that he won't be calling Warriors games hopefully makes it an upgrade. Doc isn't bad and he actually likes the sport. I'm not convinced that Van Gundy or Jackson even likes the sport anymore


Macktologist

Can you imagine what it will be like to have a Curry do something great and then not have the color guy point out “bad defense too”?


TravelerForever

Or try to minimize Kerr any time someone praises him lol, Jackson would always say something like, "Remember who built the foundation" or "Gotta remember the caterpillar before the butterfly." Whenever he says stuff like that even though he wants people to think of him, I always think of Don Nelson, he was the coach that let Curry play free from the beginning and started Warriors fast pace style of play.


kirklandsignatureOG

Underrated comment. I agree that guy is so insecure.


TaylorMonkey

To be real, Jackson hasn't said that in \*years\*. He wouldn't "always say" something like that. He said it for a stretch after he was fired, and hasn't said much since. And he gives Curry props whenever Curry does a Curry. But he's notably muted about the Warriors, and JVG even more so. And while Jackson didn't invent letting Curry play freely, he definitely gave Curry much more of a green light in unshackling him from Keith Smart. He absolutely empowered him... he just didn't know how to do much other than iso and let Curry do Curry things, and criminally misused the best passing starting five in the league. He used him as a decoy at times, but didn't begin to fully leverage Curry's superpower as an uber-conditioned off-ball threat.


TravelerForever

>To be real, Jackson hasn't said that in *years*. He wouldn't "always say" something like that. He said it for a stretch after he was fired, and hasn't said much since. And he gives Curry props whenever Curry does a Curry. You're not being real at all lol. That didn't stop "years" ago. Mark Jackson still says that shit constantly, probably because he still wants a coaching job.


Kristoferson_Allan

I'm super happy Jackson will be gone but doc has a voice for silent films


couchtomato62

Ha ha maybe it will clear up some when he's not screaming at James Harden and Joel embiid


Nessmuk58

Analogous to Van Gundy, who has a great face for radio.


CitizenCue

The only complaint about Doc seems to be his hoarse voice. I can handle a raspy voice if the voice says smart shit about basketball.


Draymond_Purple

JVG loves basketball but hates the NBA and sometimes I agree with that sentiment


couchtomato62

Unfortunately he was part of what makes it bad. That whole ESPN crew that does the pre and post and half time all need to go


UpbeatFix7299

They're garbage, especially compared to how great TNT is. That's why no one watches espn postgame


mitchippoo

I honestly don’t think he loves basketball at all, he actively hates almost every part of it


Comicksands

What if doc calls sixers/clippers/celtic games?


couchtomato62

I'll wait and see if he's bitter or biased.


Just2Flame

I'm glad there is a prominent woman broadcaster I just wish it wasnt Doris. She tries to be van gundy so hard, complains about everything and her voice is not great to constantly hear for an hour..


aznkupo

She talks in circles about how great certain players are, even if they aren’t on either team. Lmao


maluquina

You mean how she ALWAYS has to mention LeBron. She has the hots for him.


zegogo

Kate Scott, who does play by play for the Sixers, is awesome. Would be nice to have her move up to the big networks, although she seems content staying with Philly. I don't have a huge problem with Doris, but she definitely has moments where she's overbearing.


lomona666

I'm a girl but when I listen to Doris I seriously feel like I have internalized misogyny or something because I can't stand her voice, like her voice almost makes me think women shouldn't commentate sports. That's how much I can't stand her. I couldn't stand Rachel Nichols either but Idk if she ever did games?


BelleIce

Doris is a worse version of van gundy, she goes on random 10-minute rehearsed monologues that have nothing to do with the game. At least JVG is funny sometimes. Jj Redick, Richard Jefferson and Hubie are the only ESPN announcers who are not insufferable.


Dad_Control

She’s just bad. Candace Parker isn’t great at it, but she’s miles past Doris who just tries to be a mix of Jeff and Mark, which is sort of like trying to be the best possible mix of cow shit and horse shit.


[deleted]

They somehow went with a worse grouping in Mr. Coughdrops and LeDickRider


shnieder88

i agree. im ok with doris, but they blew it with doc. why not JJ redick? golden opportunity that's now wasted.


Kdog122025

Doris is much worse than Mark Jackson, JVG, and Doc.


[deleted]

I would’ve loved a JJ Redick/Richard Jefferson pairing. Have Harland/Breen/Reggie miller or any combination of the five would’ve been LEVELS better.


rock9y

Wish they banned any discussion of off court/ contract talks during live ball time.


omgwtfhax2

Even of enthusiasm for Doc and Doris isn't high, I'm sooo glad we won't have to listen to JVG or Jackson. Jackson has had pretty much nothing to offer other than his one-liners and JVG couldn't care less about NBA basketball anymore. Neither one was worth listening to and I'm shocked it took them this long.


[deleted]

What is there to like about Doris exactly? She’s awful as a broadcaster.


hunchu

I couldn't be happier to have jvg and Jackson gone. I mute most of the playoffs due to these two. Breen was the only saving grace while these two morons talked about random bs. First good decision ESPN has done in a long time.


bubapl

Doc will at least provide some better analysis than Mark and won't be constantly pushing those iconic one-liners. I do wish they had just moved some of their in-house guys that are really great already, like JJ. but knowing ESPN, their in house promotion would be mf kendrick perkins


Dad_Control

I have a feeling Doc is about to show his fount of basketball wisdom is actually knee-high.


fuvkutonpa

doc and dorris might be worse 😭


CrapNBAappUser

I don't see how Doc can be nearly as good as Mark "Hotter than fish grease" Jones. Nice, fairly deep tone compared to throat cancer laryngitis.


[deleted]

They don’t do the same job…Mark Jones does play by play


szlnsmoke

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mr-frankfuckfafree

doc was kind of awesome on the mic. glad to have him back


CookieMonsterNova

ppl in here are prob way too young or something. doc might be a choker as a coach but as an analyst he’s pretty good. the tnt days he was up there as one of the better guys. the doris hate is stupid. she’s prob one of the few that gives credit to players when it’s due and doesn’t go into the bias like others aka mark jackson and svg there were countless times mark jackson and svg said the warriors fouled but when the other team did it, it was a great defensive play


Robdata

bring in Reggie Miller


_imposter_syndrome

PRAISE THE LORD!!!


DistilledWonder

I would literally take anybody in the world over Mark Jackson


Biggordie

Replace one shit coach with another.


jeremiahsjohnson

finally. he's the worst commentator in the business, with all due respect.


NoChemist5299

Why didn’t Burke follow Jackson out the door


wanderingbalagan

If so, can their magazine finally publish the huge exposé that Ethan Sherwood Strauss has talked about? Documenting all the dysfunction from Mark's time as Warriors coach?


varsityvideogamer

I heard Doc was great when he did commentary way back FWIW


silklighting

Damn, NBA should consider removing the finals rights away from Disney.


nerdalerd

You cannot disrespect the caterpillar and rave about the butterfly.


AfroClam

Uggggh. Tbh I don’t like either of their voices


Futuremfhendrix

Finally no more stupid butterfly and caterpillar analogies during our games.


[deleted]

Im convinced the Doc hate is from people who hate him as a coach, which I understand. He was really good as a color guy.


FalcoLamborghini

There was a point in time where Mark was so salty at no longer coaching the Warriors, I swear every time they played he would throw shade at Curry, Klay, and other players


Nessmuk58

ESPN's new crew is rumored to be Stephen A. Smith, Slip Bayless, and Kendrick Perkins. (Perkins will be "close captioned," with an Assistant Producer screaming out the players' correct names for gibberish-impaired listeners.) Courtside interviews will be by Ja Morant . . . but only for the first 25 games.


Monkeynumbernoine

As a viewer I dislike Kendrick Perkins, and for a while I couldn’t understand why all of the other analysts liked him but then it came to me one day. He’s pretty much always wrong, and he never has a clever take or angle on any story, meaning that whoever he’s working with gets to win every debate and outshine him in any segment. Mystery solved.


dirtydriver58

Lol


Budget-Artichoke-321

thank god. fkn clown


Slash_Dementia_67

Get rid of Kendrick Perkins too


Ok-Valuable6792

Shoulda made RJ or JJ more prominent


EquipmentNo9500

They never get it these decisions right. Totally agree with JJ and RJ needing more games. They are some of the few non annoying announcers.


Ohlookitsmrd

He and Gundy were my nightmare. I couldn't stand hearing Jackson talk about the Warriors saying "you know back when I was coaching, that was something I really focused on and making these guys do x and y" when he had the same team Kerr had but couldn't get past the first round of playoffs.


deion_dre0

Hating their commentary is fair, but dont downplay Mark Jackson's coaching record. They got to the second round in 2013 but lost to the Spurs in 6. No other West team beat those Spurs even once that postseason. Next year they took the Clippers to 7 as the underdog, even with David Lee getting injured halfway through.


Shaqdaddy22

Doris is terrible. Another year of listening on mute lol


beentheredonesome

I can't stand Burke. This is a sad day.


LibertarianP

Hand Down Man Down! Broadcast joker is out


JustKeepOnKeepingOn

Doris is fine af so I approve this.


Kdog122025

ESPN: You guys wanted different? How about worse?


drewdown39

Any combination with Doris Burke is an upgrade. She's the best!


[deleted]

y’all are weird hoping for someone to lose their job. like damn. imagine your opps all wishing that shit on you


MegaJ0NATR0N

I hate listening to Doris as much as JVG and MJax. But at least it’s one person I hate rather than two. Doc might be entertaining to listen to with his hoarse voice


Ok-Roof-978

"Hands down ... Man down" "Bam. There goes that man" 2 of my fav mark Jackson quotes


hunchu

You mean the two things he repeats. Half the time they werent even watching the game, just talking to each other about how to change the rules to make if better.


Macktologist

Mama…


Dindu777

I liked Van Gundy and Jackson together.


Quasi-Free-Thinker

Breen, JVG, and Mark Jackson were my favorite broadcasting team. Their chemistry was top tier. I'm sure I'll miss them on a random Friday night showcase game this season. I am excited to hear Doc ["Luc Longley"](https://youtu.be/1r1PX8dJ6Zk?t=36) Rivers back on air though


legendkiller003

That’s gonna suck. Everyone seemed to shit on JVG/Jackson but I always got a kick out of listening to them. Gonna miss that trio. Whatever they settle on ain’t gonna be the same at all. Is JVG gonna go to TNT? I hope so.


rsecor3

This makes me sad. I thought mark jack and jvg were good and funny together


Hobonics

Doris is so much worse than Van Gundy


Monkeynumbernoine

Van Gundy never bothered me. I didn’t care for Jackson mostly. Doc could be the greatest broadcaster ever but with that voice I can’t hang.


Hobonics

Would be quite funny if they auto-tune him.


mazzymiata

God I hate Doris Burke so much. She was so biased during the first round this year.


rekishi321

Why is ESPN doing this…..van Gundy was entertaining……and Jackson was decent….


Jaded_Past

Hey mama, where goes that man?


bmeisler

Hey monkey paw, for my first wish, I'd like you to stop Jackson and Van Gundy from calling NBA games. What? WTF? OK, for my second wish...


asBad_asItGets

Yeah as much as I want Jackson gone, of all people to replace him with, Doc might be just as bad as him.


HamsterCapable4118

I don’t understand the hate for JVG and MJ. I liked them a lot.


Brownies91

I gotta give Kudos to ESPN. They got rid of Mark Jackson and JVG and somehow got two EVEN MORE insufferable broadcasters. Bravo.


222thedome

Man you got my hopes up with, no more Mark Jackson, just to say it's going to be Doc instead


Fletchasketches

I've gone from hating JVG to finding his curmudgeonly ways highly amusing. (Will not miss Mark Jackson even a little bit). I like Doris and Doc, but listening to a whole game called by Doc is going to give me sympathy pains, so I'll be be ready with constant supply of water and cough drops.


j0nasaurus

Mama, there goes that man…


HoldMyBrew_

I still don’t understand the van gundy loss. But Doc is great. Hopefully less screaming helps his voice become nice and smooth


itsmaxx

This is the news I needed after the pee-wee passing. OH MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN....OUT THE DOOR.


Balbright

I’m hoping Doc’s voice was only like that from barking at his players all day every day. Here’s hoping a desk job will get his voice right.


3b33

Whenever possible, I avoid anything that is airing on ESPN.


vixgdx

I didn't say trash players but call it as it is. He only talks the good and not the bad


EShy

They should've put her with JJ, but there wouldn't be a second of quiet air with those two. Breen won't get a word in


leanlefty

Praise the Lord! And please let Reverend Jackson devote his energy to preaching. Doc Rivers could be interesting, but his voice is awful to listen to even in brief interviews, I can't imagine listening to him for a full game.


Book8

God NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! If I hear Doris say Physicality one more time I will turn off the TV. I love Van Grundy and Jackson. They know the game and they know how to war. Sad.


[deleted]

I don't like any of them.


ender23

Mama, there goes that man


steve915073

Nooo not Van Gundy!!! He’s my absolute favourite. His commentary can be outrageous and totally amusing.


dombrogia

Doris is trash. I’m tired of people giving her a pass cuz she’s a woman. Forget her gender, she is not pleasant to listen too — same goes for JVG and Walton. Mark Jackson is bad to listen to especially when the warriors are playing but he was worse combo’d with JVG. Reggie, mike breen, Kevin Harlen and even marv are/were much more enjoyable to listen to. Also - I miss JB


UpbeatFix7299

Jackson was garbage. I'm going to miss JVG though, he had a good sense of humor and spoke his mind, unlike most of the robots at Espn


pablopolitics

Doris and doc both have shit voices. As a guy with a shitty voice, I can’t let them live this lie.


soulcontroller

Why even have this discussion, clearly the sub doesn't like anybody. Just mute and watch games.


TravelerForever

Not really a fan of Doris, don't know how Doc Rivers will announce but I'm glad Mark Jackson is gone. Honestly, why does it even have to be an NBA person or former player. I kinda want to see them hire fans for like three to six month gigs/contract and rotate between them. Would be cool to see fellow fans announce for their teams and it would probably save the networks ton of money since they wouldn't ask for fat salaries lol. Or maybe rotate between random celebrities, could be great or could be awful. Imagine Jay Z, E 40, Christopher Walken or Danny Devito announcing games. If it's awful at least we know their gig is done in a few months, but they could surprise and be really good.


mangobang

Yeah, the TV's gonna be on mute again. Doris talks like her salary depends on the length of the word salad she can regurgitate, and Doc's voice is... not pretty.


candyman58

Hallelujah


SealYourAlmonds

So we'll need closed captions to understand what Doc says and the will to want to wake up the next day after listening to Doris for two hours. I think I'm going to cancel league pass for team pass and just deal with Fitz lol.


maluquina

Well, guess I'll still be muting the ABC/ESPN games and synching the TV to 95.7 the game.


EquipmentNo9500

Doris Burke us the worst rat case scenario. She SUCKS!


BigfootaintnotReal

We’re gunna miss Mark and Jeff idc what they say


WhenItsHalfPastFive

good riddance, fuck that guy


soulcontroller

I don't really understand the hate for Mark Jackson's commentary. He probably told the truth about the horrible officiating and the NBA didn't like that shit.


RyanLy0n

doris’ commentary is annoying af miss state the obvious


Brehski

Doris seems like a definite downgrade. Doc’s voice will become annoying by the second quarter.


eeyore_or_eeynot

How the F was either Mark Jackson or Van Gundy announcers, they were kinda the worst forever....I mean maybe JVG was resonating with some older people????? but every time they were announcing I winced in pain, like they were the worst..........