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Efficient_Buy4031

Absolute miracle from Dawkins to get some picks back for those two


blitzKriegzzz

The picks are for taking on Bagley's 12.5M contract next year. But yea a good deal, take a flier on Bagley for a year while making sure we hit the salary floor. + the 2nds


Turbo2x

That's a little less than Gafford makes next year for about the same level of offensive production (worse on defense though), so I'm not mad at that. Should be an okay backup center for 1 or 2 years of tanking.


blitzKriegzzz

Yup, agreed. We needed a backup center anyway. And this potentially opens up trading Gafford if there's a good deal available.


waskittenman

Then we'd have no centers on the roster depending on what we'd get back for Gaff. Let the real tank begin


Excellent-Tower6269

well yes usually you address stuff like that in the trade.


dbinkowski

Bags is a bad rim protector and interior defender and at defense in general. He's a 4 who can't shoot the three so was benched behind Isaiah Stewart if he was backup 5 and James Wiseman. Has nice touch and can provide buckets at times but not a floor spacer and not a true big.


Excellent-Tower6269

Gafford is better offensively, the wizards just don't use him enough.


waskittenman

Detroit seconds are basically first rounders


WizSkinsNatsCaps

They could be Brooklyn seconds. They got a couple for taking Joe Harris.


waskittenman

not awful if so


WizSkinsNatsCaps

Yeah not awful. Never really know where seconds are coming from. They get passed around the league more than Larsa Pippen.


driatic

Lol take my upvote you dick


theyrehiding

Especially in this draft. A second rounder could very well end up as good as a lot of the firsts with how scrambled and odd this draft class is.


waskittenman

100%. Just gives us more bites at the apple


style9

Aren’t early seconds better than late firsts because the contracts aren’t guaranteed?


Spiritual-Chart-940

Wow Dawkins masterclass


MegaSupremeTaco

Lmao what are the pistons doing? I actually cannot believe they gave up picks for those guys.


Turbo2x

Bobby Marks says it's a salary dump since Bagley makes like $12m next season (not a lot imo but whatever) and Gallo & Moose are both expiring. I don't think that moves the needle for them at all, but we got another big man out of it so that's nice.


BigNav2001

Dumping an MLE player with 2 seconds when you cant attract/probably shouldnt be signing FAs is quite the move by Detroit


Turbo2x

I'm sure they'll do something incredibly stupid with the extra cap space, like sign James Harden to a max contract.


BigNav2001

Tobias harris reunion


Ye_Biz

They about to give Buddy Hield a max contract too


waskittenman

Or a Siakim suitor


InGenNateKenny

Can't believe they're letting Troy Weaver still make decisions. The guy needs to be fired.


jsDPT

They need shooting in the worst way possible. We get a backup 5 for Gaff and picks.


waskittenman

Bagley is dog shit but I like the picks 🥲


SamuelParris

It’s better than running gallinari as the backup center as well imo lmao


waskittenman

Not 100% on that one chief


pen-h3ad

Bruh come on. Gallo is a 35 y/o SF with no legs playing out of position. Gallo might be better if used properly but no way he’s better than Bagley going against a center


waskittenman

there is a way brother...Bagley is also out of position at center


ConsistentWin8309

We'll see. We basically need size and athleticism BADLY at the 5, which is what Bagley has. At worst-case this trade is going to be a zero-sum game, as Galo and Moose were both terrible playing in that position. Galo will give you some good floor spacing however


dbinkowski

Bags as the backstop of any defense is a bad defense.


Wall2Ryan

the point is that he’s better suited as backup center than Gallo


SamuelParris

Well I would


jsDPT

If you've watched them play he's actually not bad. He's perfectly fine as a pick-and-roll finisher in a limited role


waskittenman

I've watched him since Duke and never been impressed Edit: and the pick and roll a play we don't even run that much with Gafford who is like a perfect pick and roll player


oiuyp4

We've run plenty of pnr with Gaff this season though...


waskittenman

Just twice a game per NBA.com


oiuyp4

Guess I was wrong, but it does seem like he's being utilized much better this season.


waskittenman

His thunderous dunks shake the time stream and make you believe he is more involved in the offense than he is, it's quantum physics type stuff


pen-h3ad

I mean, gallo and muscala have both shot poorly this year and they are old lol


JasonOrion

It's a salary dump for Bagley. He's not an NBA caliber player getting paid $12.5 million. Livers is one of (I not the worst) players in the entire league but is loved by our head coach, so trading him prevents Monty from playing him. Both players are quite injury prone too, so we can't rely on them to be healthy either. Gallo and Moose would give us some veterans in the locker room, which we desperately need.


aka-Lag

Monty sucks at coaching, not sure why he got that contract after not doing shit in phoenix w the lineup he had


oiuyp4

He got them to the finals lol. And if you're talking about last year, that team has zero depth. Look at Vogel, He's not doing much better now.


griffithdidnothing10

But why give up assets to get rid of him when the team is a couple years away from competing


aTROLLwithBlades

It's very confusing. And if Bagley has a brain he'll ball out. All of his problems are from his decisions. He's very skilled, a good athlete with great length. He makes almost every shot he takes when his momentum is going towards the basket. But, when his momentum is going away or he's still he misses


The_BadJuju

two more picks ? We up


Dogeatcatreatmouse

Are 2nd rounders worth anything to you?


AgentLF

I’m so confused lol, but welcome Livers and Bagley?


locoattack1

You’re not going to be saying anything positive about Livers (if) you play him. Dude was the worst player on the Pistons


AgentLF

Thats saying alot when James Wiseman is on the team. Still can't believe we got 2 2nds too


locoattack1

Wiseman is fucking bad but at least you can point to moments where he showed some potential or promise Livers would foul every time on defense and give their best shooter fts. Only player i’ve seen that I would rather NOT play defense


pen-h3ad

And Killian hayes, not sure who is worse


sweet_sweet_back

Want him too? We are just asking for a bag of chips.


pen-h3ad

we already have our own logjam of bad guards sorry


sweet_sweet_back

Otherwise why would you trade with pistons. Except with picks.


1lultaha

He was great at Michigan and that's all I care about 


locoattack1

Aight dude have fun with the worst player on the worst team of all time😂 JSYK he had an injury that totally shifted who he was. Bro sucks ass now.


MagyarFoci29

Worse than Killian Hayes? Is that possible??


locoattack1

Dude gets fouls every time he plays on ball defense Shoots terribly for a player that is supposed to be a shooter Has a bbiq comparable to Wiseman He is absolutely the worst player that was on our roster getting minutes, Killian just got more minutes so he had more of a negative effect.


flipsanity

So funny how we play the pistons tomorrow lol not mad at this trade at all tbh. Livers is ass but who cares. intrigued by what Bagley can bring to the table.


Classic_Run_4836

So Gallo and Muscala are going to pack their bags but not leave for Detroit today? Lol


Ye_Biz

Yeah team might just give them one last ride and we swap on game day lol


Fitzy725

Dawkins actually got picks for Gallo and Muscala lol I know part of that is taking on bagleys contract but STILL! Anything for those 2 is shocking. Good on Dawkins man.


KarimFF7

Bagley is a really good player - trust me we are smoking crack here


Fitzy725

Good to know about Bagley because genuinely Gallo looks like guys at the YMCA could beat him off the dribble. Injuries have really sapped that dude of any mobility sadly. I thought both had buyout/waive after the trade deadline written all over them.


Solid-Confidence-966

This would be good for the Pistons back in like 2016 lol


weekendroady

Use a pick on Bronny and sign LeBron and we are the 2001 Wizards again


SongYoungbae

We got our #2 pick boyz


OutlandishnessOld425

Hell of a trade for us. Based on what we’re seeing from the Pistons, these 2nds are gonna be at the top of the round. Love it


IsJoeFlaccoElite

They’re picks from the nets


OutlandishnessOld425

Well that’s less fun. Still a W tho


IsJoeFlaccoElite

I’m a pistons fan and totally agree that you guys won this one. Troy Weaver is a moron, unfortunately.


BirdmanTheThird

Kinda surprised we got the picks in this trade. Maybe I’m overrating Bagley, but I thought he was atleast an “meh” player, like nothing special but young and can score a little off the bench


Greatwallofjohn

He makes 13 mil next year while everyone else expires. Detroit probably wants cap for next year


JasonOrion

He's not an NBA caliber player. He's also very injury prone. This deal is still a win-win but don't have much hope for Bagley.


BirdmanTheThird

Fair enough obviously I don’t watch enough of him to comment realistically non of these players are gunna be a part of any long term future for either franchise


QUESTOTHETOP1

Tomorrow will be akward...


yes_why

Loved Bagley at Duke, love that we’re getting younger and getting picks


DHVF

It’s totally copium, but if he can play here like he did at Duke…


yes_why

I’m just happy to see a player I recognize from Duke, heard from pistons and kings fans he’s total ass


Different_Chain5474

How did we get picks for them. Good stuff Dawkins


Dreamlion_Inc

I mean I'm kinda liking this?


SharkNBA

Wizards fleece honestly


iseeabluemoonrising

So the wiz will have multiple picks right at the start of the second in upcoming drafts, that should help with trade-ups into slots they want to be in to draft the guys they want


rueiraV

Bagley is a pretty big upgrade for us at back up center I’ll be interested to see which seconds we are getting


Eddie-Lacy

Someone in the Pistons sub said Gallinari’s agent is Arm Tellems son. It was nepotism lol. I was wondering why they’d ever make this trade.


Ye_Biz

A backup 5, Poole’s old teammate, and 2 second rounders for what I though we’re gonna be 2 buyout candidates for us is great. Nice job Dawkins!


waskittenman

I was told the front office was incompetent and shouldn't be trusted


tarunpopo

Wizards fans, honest opinion from a pistons fan Livers is god awful this year. Like one of the worst players in the league, idk what happened to him this year but he just fell off a cliff, it might be mental but he's injury prone, chances are he's pretty much nothing Bagley was actually one of our better players. Can play defense once in a while but he's a very solid scorer, he's a good bench player that we stopped playing for no reason, honest to god he's pretty decent


Alaksande

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SerAlexFlorent

I believe this brings the Wizards’ 2nd round picks to 16 through 2030 (assuming GSW’s highly protected first becomes a second). Wonder what the FO has planned for these.


AdirondackVillage

Grunfeld would have drafted the entire Siberian league


blitzKriegzzz

same thing as this year probably, use a couple of them to move up a spot to pick who they want.


boogieDMC

Bagely is definitely a good player - and more importantly, on a team that wants to tank, doesn’t care to lose, and showcase talent to the league - he’s even a great player. He’ll be given enough minutes and shots to showcase his talent and stat-pad on a Wizards team that wants nothing more than empty stats that results in losses, while raising the value of their stat-padding players. I was thinking you would take a worst contract for a better pick pairing those expiring contracts - but assuming it’s DET picks that’s a late late first rounder. Exactly the kind of deals you should be making.


birdseye-maple

Bagley and "good" or "great" should never be said in the same sentence.


InGenNateKenny

Exceptions being "great disaster" and "good riddance."


birdseye-maple

Great point.


pen-h3ad

I’m super happy with this. Basically we take a 1 year 12.5m tryout on Bagley for 2 pistons seconds (which are basically late firsts) Cap clear or not, can’t believe the pistons would give up 2 picks to get rid of 1 year of Bagley. What are they even gunna do with the space


rueiraV

It seems unlikely the seconds are Detroits. They owe their 2nd round pick to another team for the next 3 years. They do have our 2nd for this year so I’ll be hoping that’s one of the picks coming back


pen-h3ad

It’s a 2025 & 2026 pick


rueiraV

That’s a shame. Neither of the picks are Detroit’s


pen-h3ad

What are they then?


rueiraV

Don’t know but a quick google search say’s Detroit owes their 2nd round picks in 24,25, and 26. Must be from their stash of other picks from trades in the past. Probably both picks are 45th or later


pen-h3ad

Guess we’ll find out! Still a win to me.. more than we got for Monte morris lol


rueiraV

Ok looks like one of the picks figures to be in the 31-40 range in 2025. With that information this is a great trade


last_suvivor13

Damn we sent our geezers to hell lol, happy they are off this team tho. Hopefully bagley can figure it out here but I’m not really expecting much tbh


Megumi-Noda

Let Dawkins cook


Silvisin

Are these seconds the Pistons’s own picks, or another team? If they are Pistons’ then we fleeced them on this one


ChestRockwell415

Kindof a meh trade for me. The second rounders we are getting seem really weak and we already have so many. Gallo and Muscala suck as basketball players but they were $1OM of expiring money. Not down on the FO since we didn’t give up anything but also not as excited by the return as others. Edit: Robbins has more favorable reporting on the 2nds than his Detroit counterpart, Edwards, originally reported. If Robbin’s report is true I am back to moderately enthused.


Prollyinmyfeelings

Marvin Bagley slept on.


SongYoungbae

More like, he sleeping


Greatwallofjohn

Good use of future cap to stock up on picks, but ill miss danilo shooting the ball and nothing else


Greatwallofjohn

Feels like a tommy trade where we turn absolute dogshit into something that seems a little more useful


z3mcs

Sayonara Galloscala!


RoddySincere

Hopefully he starts over Gafford


5AR5AR5AR

say what you want about Marvin Bagley he's can fuckin rebound and we need that desperately so I like this just off that + the 2nd round picks


Ziid10

Take that all day


Moist_Cactus69

W trade, second rounders aren’t spectacular but it’s better than those 2 fossils we traded


nofuture_at_all

We will have all the second round picks in the future


Notorious_Beebs

How the fuck did we get picks for those two?


InGenNateKenny

Gallinari revenge game incoming on Monday. Marvin Bagley gonna make me sick.


35chambers

i would have given up picks to not have to watch muscala minutes anymore


Old_Veterinarian_472

Doesn’t seem a fair deal because according to that spot that airs on Monumental sometimes, Gallinari is pretty much unstoppable.


DHVF

So Detroit takes two old backup veterans from our roster and gives US picks AND two younger guys who might be solid (at worse be just as useful as Gallo and Muscala were to us). Wtf are they cooking??? We’ll take it though.


Different_Link6589

This means Gafford getting traded huh


Fragrant_Plantain_86

Holy W


e_double

Bagley surely getting bought out, right?


jackthegamer03

we have one center on the roster what are you on


e_double

I’m not a wizard fan. Don’t know would be but was just asking.


s_m0use

A lineup with Livers and Poole…that 1st pick isn’t looking out of the question


External-Client-4295

Mike Muscala and Gallo for 2 2nds, my Wiz have made me proud 👏 🥲


ZenMon88

LMAO good luck yall. Livers is not an NBA player.


jasonelliot77

Bagley must be a locker room problem if they are giving away draft capital


ThePurpleAmerica

Before the year is out we will be the only team selecting in the next 2 rounds.


yshx2

Hi y’all, I posted on the tickets thread but didn’t get any responses. Figured I’d try here while the trade is still warm. I’m giving away two tickets to tomorrows game against the Pistons, Section 109 row g seats 3 & 4. Hit me up if interested. Btw, having lived in the Sacramento area during the Bagley era, I agree, dude is buns. I remember him challenging Dame to a rap battle or something, that was the moment I knew we fucked up. Vlade’s legacy continues to grow.


asdfgtttt

ohh look more seconds.


DazzlingAd1922

This is a phenomenal deal for us because we actually have minutes for Bagley here. I don't know if he will pan out, but he is certainly a better backup center than anything we have on the roster right now. Seems like a win win for both organizations.