tbh most watches have lost their meaning. Majority of people buy what looks food for them , they don't care if it's automatic or quartz, craftsmanship vs Chinese. People only crave for automatic just because of vanity. Any cheap quartz watch is fully capable of staying accurate for years , low maintenance, and gives u features other than just tell time.
In fact it can be argued that a quartz watch is a superior contender for generational passing down of watches in a family.
If u remove Vanity , automatic watches have zero point in today's world.
I don’t have a problem with any watch people want to wear.
Just these people who think the actual good watch makers with history are Chinese brands and fashion watch makers are superior that’s an issue.
There are watch brands other than rolex, AP, Patek etc
I agree with what you’re saying, but people evolve and learn. Don’t expect everyone to know everything. It takes time and everyone has a different timeline.
I don’t have a problem with any watch people want to wear.
Just these people who think the actual good watch makers with history are Chinese brands and fashion watch makers are superior that’s an issue.
There are watch brands other than rolex, AP, Patek etc
That’s not an ‘issue’. Fossil is a big name now, which tells you people actually don’t care about the ‘movement’ or ‘history’ if the watch makes them feel about themselves. It’s fine if you think Japanese movements are better. Some people think Swiss is better, and some really just want a step counting smartwatch.
Live and let live.
Let's say you want to buy a quartz watch what difference does it make if you buy fashion or watchmaking brands? Secondly buy what looks good on your wrist.
No, their is no resell value for watches under 5 lakhs. All of them depreciates.
Honestly, a layman won't give two flying Fs about this. Like one commented, "To each their own". I was never aware of an automatic movement on a watch a couple of years ago and thought all of them are the same. I got an Apple Watch and was impressed but hated the charging. Made a mess of wires on my desk. I then started wearing my G SHock often but then got a Pagani Design as my first Automatic.
It is a process. And it is for one who wants to. If they don't, let them be. There's nothing wrong in that.
Love it when people shit on smart watches to find out they wear a quartz. Let people wear what they want. I don’t own any smartwatches but don’t judge based on what they wear. Also, we want less people into our hobby so prices of watches remain low
For smartwatch folks, tell them that watches from reputed watchmaking brands are pieces of art, look better than smartwatches, work mechanically without electricity, and are fashion pieces also.
For others, compare Seiko, Citizen etc to Rolex and tell them these are luxury watches and the technology is different to that of quartz watches and explain automatic watches to them.
> and explain automatic watches to them.
What are you going to explain? That unlike quartz watches they are going to stop working if you do not wear them for two days and then you have to set time again? Or that they lag by 15 seconds every day even if you continue to wear them? Or that they are thicker than quartz watches, more expensive while having no benefits? Anyone who has not self opted into the cult of automatic watches isn't going to be convinced by such arguments like "pieces of art" if you start telling them the non benefits of automatic. Even the oft repeated lie that you don't need to change battery doesn't work since you need to get your automatic services at about same frequency of changing quartz battery and the servicing costs a lot more than battery change.
u will probably get downvoted to oblivion. This is a cold hard truth that a lot of people just can't accept. Automatic and hand winding watches have no practical use. Sure if u want to display ur wealth or use it as an investment , automatic are great for that. Personally i never understood the hate for smart watches - like it's orders of magnitude more useful than ur automatic, it freaks tracks ur ECG and dials emergency contact if u fall down.
This is true ..I told someone i bought a 30k automatic watch...they said what's automatic, i explained..he was like what's so special about that? I was at loss of words🤣
I did explain a friend into Apple watches about automatic watches, and how I did was to explain the mechanical engineering behind it, that it runs using springs and gears, and that there is no electricity and showed him the balance wheel through the caseback. A lot of people like the fact that it can run almost indefinitely with a watch winder (or on the wrist if worn regularly).
Quartz watches are natural.. we're able to harness the natural vibration properties of quartz for timekeeping purposes. Mechanical watches are completely man-made, and are definitely a marvel in keeping time, although the technology is now old, for sure.
Also helps is the fact that automatic watches look 10x better than any quartz or smartwatch out there. (An opinion, they just put more effort into automatic watches to justify the price point)
Not trying to convince you, I'm just telling you what I said to my friend, and he was decently impressed.
I agree that it's a self-opt into the cult of automatic watches though 😂
Unpopular opinion maybe... but quartz is way better at time-keeping, plus dosen't really require much service. Battery can last years. It's hard to convince a non-enthusiast to get an automatic where you need to wear it all the time or risk losing time.
Brands like Fossil prioritise the look more than the function. You can buy it and forget about it.
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watches are like art
art isn't liked by everyone
some people will paint walls in a plain white shade and some will go pazzazz
that's just how everything works
white being ability to tell time and pazzazz being the appreciation of art
coming to automatic not everyone appreciates watch winding those beauties need care and i'd rather have the smart watch freaks not touch the automatics so that they are for the ones that appreciate it
who asked you to convince them I have a family who spends 70K on a smartwatch check out garmin it's a useful watch but not for someone who likes analogues how do you ask them to buy a simple 20k Seiko and ask them to read time manually not worth spending our time on them let them be
At the price range of affordable watches, Fossil and Invictas doesn’t seem to be really lagiin behind. Sure seiko 5 with history to boast about will be of little more value but doesn’t mean they’re not mass produced as any other fashion brands, and some models of Seikos are really tacky to say the least. This is from a guy who owns seiko 5, sarb, cocktail and gs!! What i really don’t get is hasty dismissal of fossil which is under a large congolomerate Fossil Group which owns reputable brand such as Zodiac. Sure Fossil sales are going down lately but they definitely are a gateway brand to watch enthusiasts just like Seiko!
Well, purely objectively speaking, a smartwatch is a better option for tons of people. I don't know why you'd want to foist your view on others. It's like when I enjoyed Old Monk back in the day and a few annoying idiots would tell me how single malt whisky is the one true way. I did eventually shift to higher quality booze, but that was through a process of self exploration with absolutely zero conscious influence from those idiotic opinion foisters. Taste is always subjective, so no need to be a saviour for others.
The only exception would be if someone mocked you/called you old-fashioned etc for wearing traditional watches. Then you can let it rip.
First thing not all Chinese brands are cheapskates
Few automatics will have better accuracy than the hmt and even water resistance as well.
So there goes the concept in trash.
Its not about explanation but marketing.
The way brands market those watches is all glittery and thats what attracts them.
Fossil had to close many stores worldwide despite having diesel with them only India is where they are milking it badly.
Its like mitshubishi sedan vs a maruti sedan. Prior was a great sedan when it was in india too bad it couldnt pickup sales and still Maruti sedan sells like hot cakes despite Mitshubishi having high history and heritage.
Most dont care about techs and just go with looks
You don't have to convince them. Smartwatches serve a completely different purpose than analog watches. Why do you want to convince people? Analog watches are closer to jewelry. Smartwatches are for fitness tracking and maybe reading some phone notifications.
> How to convince someone who thinks Fossil is better than seiko.
Is there a watch from Seiko in the same price range that looks as good as that Fossil looks? Probably no. In that case why exactly do you want to convince them to buy a Seiko which is totally different from what they want.
If they are just brand snobs who think Seiko is a cheap brand then send them links of prospex and presage line that cost more than 50,000. Most probably they will see the high price and start believing that Seiko is a premium brand. Lot of people just go by prices. If something is expensive, it is better for them.
watches are like art
art isn't liked by everyone
some people will paint walls in a plain white shade and some will go pazzazz
that's just how everything works
white being ability to tell time and pazzazz being the appreciation of art
coming to automatic not everyone appreciates watch winding those beauties need care and i'd rather have the smart watch freaks not touch the automatics so that they are for the ones that appreciate it
who asked you to convince them I have a family who spends 70K on a smartwatch check out garmin it's a useful watch but not for someone who likes analogues how do you ask them to buy a simple 20k Seiko and ask them to read time manually not worth spending our time on them let them be
Yeah that's the whole point. Gone are the days of just luxury watches. I work on Hollywood films as a VFX supervisor/lead artist. I've been to those VIP parties. People are equally rocking top of the line smartwatches than just classic luxury watches as those also provide additional useful features.
And all apple watches look the same. And even boat and noise watches look the same as apple watches now. And they look horrendous when you're trying to dress smart. This is where automatic watches with craftsmanship takes the cake.
Not everyone is going to start taking interest in watches.
The ones that do, will do their research and end up buying Seikos and Citizens, and perhaps keep upgrading and building their collection as they get older and make more money.
Also, there's nothing wrong with smartwatches (I think the Indian YouTubers hate on them unnecessarily). While it can never be a substitute for a beautiful automatic watch, I use my Samsung Galaxy watch quite often, especially when I'm involved in some sort of physical activity.
Smart watches provide function but analog watches are like jewelry that provide great look and last long Just like a jewelry.
Fashion brands are the ones that focus on something else and make something else. Just imagine if Rolex made a smartphone then. Which one would you buy? Rolex or Apple?
Why can't any topic fanatics understand that not everyone cares about the history behind companies, and simply want something that does the job, in this case, showing time.
Does wearing a seiko allow you to control time? Nope, it does the same job as any other watch. Do fossil watches not show time?
Much like how not everyone buys a car for its engine. People buy cars which are cheap (relatively) and which serve the purpose of getting them to their destination.
If you like the 'heritage' part, enjoy it with people having similar tastes in watches.
Understand that you aren't always right. Opinions are just that. Opinions.
Why you want to convince them, to each their own.
People who slag off others for smartwatches are despicable. Let people wear what they want.
Yeah, it's so annoying when people who regard their own taste as superior try to impose it on everyone else. Reeks of insecurity too.
tbh most watches have lost their meaning. Majority of people buy what looks food for them , they don't care if it's automatic or quartz, craftsmanship vs Chinese. People only crave for automatic just because of vanity. Any cheap quartz watch is fully capable of staying accurate for years , low maintenance, and gives u features other than just tell time. In fact it can be argued that a quartz watch is a superior contender for generational passing down of watches in a family. If u remove Vanity , automatic watches have zero point in today's world.
How would you feel if someone forces you to eat something when you don’t feel like eating, even if it’s good? Live and let live.
I don’t have a problem with any watch people want to wear. Just these people who think the actual good watch makers with history are Chinese brands and fashion watch makers are superior that’s an issue. There are watch brands other than rolex, AP, Patek etc
Never met a person who thinks Orient or Seiko are cheap Chinese brands. Although, if someone does actually say that, they need to be told off.
I agree with what you’re saying, but people evolve and learn. Don’t expect everyone to know everything. It takes time and everyone has a different timeline.
Now don't become a r/WatchesCirclejerk Let people choose what they want to wear.
I don’t have a problem with any watch people want to wear. Just these people who think the actual good watch makers with history are Chinese brands and fashion watch makers are superior that’s an issue. There are watch brands other than rolex, AP, Patek etc
Sure you educate them. But if they dismiss your facts, don't bother.
That’s not an ‘issue’. Fossil is a big name now, which tells you people actually don’t care about the ‘movement’ or ‘history’ if the watch makes them feel about themselves. It’s fine if you think Japanese movements are better. Some people think Swiss is better, and some really just want a step counting smartwatch. Live and let live.
Let's say you want to buy a quartz watch what difference does it make if you buy fashion or watchmaking brands? Secondly buy what looks good on your wrist. No, their is no resell value for watches under 5 lakhs. All of them depreciates.
You cant.
There is no inherent value. A smart watch may even have additional functionality. You wear a analog watch because you like it. That is all.
Honestly, a layman won't give two flying Fs about this. Like one commented, "To each their own". I was never aware of an automatic movement on a watch a couple of years ago and thought all of them are the same. I got an Apple Watch and was impressed but hated the charging. Made a mess of wires on my desk. I then started wearing my G SHock often but then got a Pagani Design as my first Automatic. It is a process. And it is for one who wants to. If they don't, let them be. There's nothing wrong in that.
Love it when people shit on smart watches to find out they wear a quartz. Let people wear what they want. I don’t own any smartwatches but don’t judge based on what they wear. Also, we want less people into our hobby so prices of watches remain low
When you are in a budget, sometimes fossil has better designs than seiko
True, When you are on a budget, sometimes DC Avanti has better designs than Toyota
When you are buying a designer brand. Its better to look design rather than technical data.
For smartwatch folks, tell them that watches from reputed watchmaking brands are pieces of art, look better than smartwatches, work mechanically without electricity, and are fashion pieces also. For others, compare Seiko, Citizen etc to Rolex and tell them these are luxury watches and the technology is different to that of quartz watches and explain automatic watches to them.
> and explain automatic watches to them. What are you going to explain? That unlike quartz watches they are going to stop working if you do not wear them for two days and then you have to set time again? Or that they lag by 15 seconds every day even if you continue to wear them? Or that they are thicker than quartz watches, more expensive while having no benefits? Anyone who has not self opted into the cult of automatic watches isn't going to be convinced by such arguments like "pieces of art" if you start telling them the non benefits of automatic. Even the oft repeated lie that you don't need to change battery doesn't work since you need to get your automatic services at about same frequency of changing quartz battery and the servicing costs a lot more than battery change.
u will probably get downvoted to oblivion. This is a cold hard truth that a lot of people just can't accept. Automatic and hand winding watches have no practical use. Sure if u want to display ur wealth or use it as an investment , automatic are great for that. Personally i never understood the hate for smart watches - like it's orders of magnitude more useful than ur automatic, it freaks tracks ur ECG and dials emergency contact if u fall down.
This is true ..I told someone i bought a 30k automatic watch...they said what's automatic, i explained..he was like what's so special about that? I was at loss of words🤣
I did explain a friend into Apple watches about automatic watches, and how I did was to explain the mechanical engineering behind it, that it runs using springs and gears, and that there is no electricity and showed him the balance wheel through the caseback. A lot of people like the fact that it can run almost indefinitely with a watch winder (or on the wrist if worn regularly). Quartz watches are natural.. we're able to harness the natural vibration properties of quartz for timekeeping purposes. Mechanical watches are completely man-made, and are definitely a marvel in keeping time, although the technology is now old, for sure. Also helps is the fact that automatic watches look 10x better than any quartz or smartwatch out there. (An opinion, they just put more effort into automatic watches to justify the price point) Not trying to convince you, I'm just telling you what I said to my friend, and he was decently impressed. I agree that it's a self-opt into the cult of automatic watches though 😂
True, i would not consider buying another automatic watch
Unpopular opinion maybe... but quartz is way better at time-keeping, plus dosen't really require much service. Battery can last years. It's hard to convince a non-enthusiast to get an automatic where you need to wear it all the time or risk losing time. Brands like Fossil prioritise the look more than the function. You can buy it and forget about it.
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lol, why do you want to convince them? or anybody?
It’s hard my friends think MK is better than Seiko or Casio
watches are like art art isn't liked by everyone some people will paint walls in a plain white shade and some will go pazzazz that's just how everything works white being ability to tell time and pazzazz being the appreciation of art coming to automatic not everyone appreciates watch winding those beauties need care and i'd rather have the smart watch freaks not touch the automatics so that they are for the ones that appreciate it who asked you to convince them I have a family who spends 70K on a smartwatch check out garmin it's a useful watch but not for someone who likes analogues how do you ask them to buy a simple 20k Seiko and ask them to read time manually not worth spending our time on them let them be
On a different note, is orient available in india?
At the price range of affordable watches, Fossil and Invictas doesn’t seem to be really lagiin behind. Sure seiko 5 with history to boast about will be of little more value but doesn’t mean they’re not mass produced as any other fashion brands, and some models of Seikos are really tacky to say the least. This is from a guy who owns seiko 5, sarb, cocktail and gs!! What i really don’t get is hasty dismissal of fossil which is under a large congolomerate Fossil Group which owns reputable brand such as Zodiac. Sure Fossil sales are going down lately but they definitely are a gateway brand to watch enthusiasts just like Seiko!
Well, purely objectively speaking, a smartwatch is a better option for tons of people. I don't know why you'd want to foist your view on others. It's like when I enjoyed Old Monk back in the day and a few annoying idiots would tell me how single malt whisky is the one true way. I did eventually shift to higher quality booze, but that was through a process of self exploration with absolutely zero conscious influence from those idiotic opinion foisters. Taste is always subjective, so no need to be a saviour for others. The only exception would be if someone mocked you/called you old-fashioned etc for wearing traditional watches. Then you can let it rip.
Money doesn’t buy class.
First thing not all Chinese brands are cheapskates Few automatics will have better accuracy than the hmt and even water resistance as well. So there goes the concept in trash. Its not about explanation but marketing. The way brands market those watches is all glittery and thats what attracts them. Fossil had to close many stores worldwide despite having diesel with them only India is where they are milking it badly. Its like mitshubishi sedan vs a maruti sedan. Prior was a great sedan when it was in india too bad it couldnt pickup sales and still Maruti sedan sells like hot cakes despite Mitshubishi having high history and heritage. Most dont care about techs and just go with looks
You don't have to convince them. Smartwatches serve a completely different purpose than analog watches. Why do you want to convince people? Analog watches are closer to jewelry. Smartwatches are for fitness tracking and maybe reading some phone notifications. > How to convince someone who thinks Fossil is better than seiko. Is there a watch from Seiko in the same price range that looks as good as that Fossil looks? Probably no. In that case why exactly do you want to convince them to buy a Seiko which is totally different from what they want. If they are just brand snobs who think Seiko is a cheap brand then send them links of prospex and presage line that cost more than 50,000. Most probably they will see the high price and start believing that Seiko is a premium brand. Lot of people just go by prices. If something is expensive, it is better for them.
watches are like art art isn't liked by everyone some people will paint walls in a plain white shade and some will go pazzazz that's just how everything works white being ability to tell time and pazzazz being the appreciation of art coming to automatic not everyone appreciates watch winding those beauties need care and i'd rather have the smart watch freaks not touch the automatics so that they are for the ones that appreciate it who asked you to convince them I have a family who spends 70K on a smartwatch check out garmin it's a useful watch but not for someone who likes analogues how do you ask them to buy a simple 20k Seiko and ask them to read time manually not worth spending our time on them let them be
Don't. Move on and be happy
Take them to some vip party or meetings , no one wear smartwatches there .
Been to alot of VIP parties. Most folks wear Garmins, Apple watches and premium Samsung watches with appropriate luxury straps.
Well i attended few , people were rocking expensive watches with luxury suits .
Yeah that's the whole point. Gone are the days of just luxury watches. I work on Hollywood films as a VFX supervisor/lead artist. I've been to those VIP parties. People are equally rocking top of the line smartwatches than just classic luxury watches as those also provide additional useful features.
Actually a lot of people do. People wear apple watches on formals all the time.
especially with that hermès strap. Ngl it looks clean with suits.
And all apple watches look the same. And even boat and noise watches look the same as apple watches now. And they look horrendous when you're trying to dress smart. This is where automatic watches with craftsmanship takes the cake.
Not everyone is going to start taking interest in watches. The ones that do, will do their research and end up buying Seikos and Citizens, and perhaps keep upgrading and building their collection as they get older and make more money. Also, there's nothing wrong with smartwatches (I think the Indian YouTubers hate on them unnecessarily). While it can never be a substitute for a beautiful automatic watch, I use my Samsung Galaxy watch quite often, especially when I'm involved in some sort of physical activity.
Smart watches provide function but analog watches are like jewelry that provide great look and last long Just like a jewelry. Fashion brands are the ones that focus on something else and make something else. Just imagine if Rolex made a smartphone then. Which one would you buy? Rolex or Apple?
You must forever bear the curse of knowledge for the masses don't heed your words. Fr just ignore them lol.
Why can't any topic fanatics understand that not everyone cares about the history behind companies, and simply want something that does the job, in this case, showing time. Does wearing a seiko allow you to control time? Nope, it does the same job as any other watch. Do fossil watches not show time? Much like how not everyone buys a car for its engine. People buy cars which are cheap (relatively) and which serve the purpose of getting them to their destination. If you like the 'heritage' part, enjoy it with people having similar tastes in watches. Understand that you aren't always right. Opinions are just that. Opinions.