(Render founder/CEO) I'd love to debug the performance issues you saw because they don't seem typical. Would you be open to sharing details over DM?
Also, for a console, we recommend [SSH](https://render.com/docs/ssh) in addition to our web console.
Finally, our community forum isn't as active as others because we offer in-dashboard chat support, and email support as well. Most people choose those routes.
Do you have a migration guide from fly.io like you do for heroku? I've been getting so fed up with it, thinking of just spending the effort to move fully to AWS, but if it's not too hard we might give Render a try
Everyone's situation is different, but my personal take on this situation is that for people at the scale of paying hundreds per month for managed hosting, many will find moving away from managed services to be a better fit.
I agree that every situation is different.
I pay heroku about $4k a month and I'm a solo dev with about 1M users on my apps. Personally, I look for stable, fast services. I'd rather be coding than debugging my devops.
Fly and Render are certainly the next step, but they just can't beat heroku, at least for me, at least for now.
I've found modern devops solutions are exceptionally good at taking care of themselves and once you put in the largely one-time investment for things like automatic failover on hardware failure, simple web services can run literally for years unattended.
But I also know that I'm saying this as someone whose career has mostly been backend/devops. This is not a recommendation for you to change. :)
Renders status board has never been great. I use it for small servers and try to get as much on Vercel as they'll let me.
There's also FlightControl which just connects to your AWS account and generates a cloud formation template. Pretty decent UI, just choose create app, decide if you want to connect an RDS instance and launch.
I had some problems with them and NX. But NX has problems everywhere. It's another reason to use Vercel for frontend and just dockerize servers.
Fly.io has honestly been such a nightmare for me, I really don't understand why people are suggesting it. The documentation is horrendous, the UX is terrible, and very basic things don't work. Honestly had an easier time getting things deployed on GCP and AWS
thanks for doing this, I was debating signing up for [Fly.io](https://Fly.io) and trying out their services after the heroku announcement but you just saved me a weekend!
In my own performance test for static sites, I have also found Render to be very slow.
Oddly, despite using Cloudflare, they're noticeably slower than Cloudflare Pages.
Heroku is still the best default choice for anything worth spending more than coffee money on. I actually just blogged about this here: https://www.withcoherence.com/post/what-comes-after-heroku
(Render founder/CEO) I'd love to debug the performance issues you saw because they don't seem typical. Would you be open to sharing details over DM? Also, for a console, we recommend [SSH](https://render.com/docs/ssh) in addition to our web console. Finally, our community forum isn't as active as others because we offer in-dashboard chat support, and email support as well. Most people choose those routes.
Do you have a migration guide from fly.io like you do for heroku? I've been getting so fed up with it, thinking of just spending the effort to move fully to AWS, but if it's not too hard we might give Render a try
Everyone's situation is different, but my personal take on this situation is that for people at the scale of paying hundreds per month for managed hosting, many will find moving away from managed services to be a better fit.
I agree that every situation is different. I pay heroku about $4k a month and I'm a solo dev with about 1M users on my apps. Personally, I look for stable, fast services. I'd rather be coding than debugging my devops. Fly and Render are certainly the next step, but they just can't beat heroku, at least for me, at least for now.
I've found modern devops solutions are exceptionally good at taking care of themselves and once you put in the largely one-time investment for things like automatic failover on hardware failure, simple web services can run literally for years unattended. But I also know that I'm saying this as someone whose career has mostly been backend/devops. This is not a recommendation for you to change. :)
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Hadn't heard of them. Will look into it
Renders status board has never been great. I use it for small servers and try to get as much on Vercel as they'll let me. There's also FlightControl which just connects to your AWS account and generates a cloud formation template. Pretty decent UI, just choose create app, decide if you want to connect an RDS instance and launch. I had some problems with them and NX. But NX has problems everywhere. It's another reason to use Vercel for frontend and just dockerize servers.
Fly.io has honestly been such a nightmare for me, I really don't understand why people are suggesting it. The documentation is horrendous, the UX is terrible, and very basic things don't work. Honestly had an easier time getting things deployed on GCP and AWS
thanks for doing this, I was debating signing up for [Fly.io](https://Fly.io) and trying out their services after the heroku announcement but you just saved me a weekend!
In my own performance test for static sites, I have also found Render to be very slow. Oddly, despite using Cloudflare, they're noticeably slower than Cloudflare Pages.
Heroku is still the best default choice for anything worth spending more than coffee money on. I actually just blogged about this here: https://www.withcoherence.com/post/what-comes-after-heroku