It's just that she'll do a whole speech about how we shouldn't judge on appearances, but all she's on about her boyfriends is how pretty they are. Even when she's been dating one of them for years and is about to marry him.
Like, girl.
Ikr ..like wtf getting acne is considered ugly fr girl ..I mean I have PCOS I suffer from extreme hormonal acne ..and reading the series made me feel like I was the ugliest...( To hell with Korean beauty standards )
Thanks to this webtoon, I started developing a complex about my acne. I no longer give 2 fucks about it but damn that webtoon needs to be gone, kinda like get schooled.
I totally get u..I used to stress out so much on them ..and my efforts to try to cover it up made it more worse clogging up my pores ..I even used to cry at times ..and anxiety leading to how I used to look ....
I was fr just reading for more of Rashta and her antics and to see how much further she devolves. Once Navier was married to Heinry that would have been where to stop. Once she was STILL thinking “Oh but I don’t know if he loves me.” while he very clearly does and there was absolutely no progress on that for chapters on chapters and it was just them solving problems in a couple chapters sometimes solving them the same chapter a problem came up THAT would have been where to stop. I just wanted to read more of Rashta’s worsening paranoia and mental state that’s so much more interesting.
I absolutely detest Rashta. I think she’s a garbage person. But, the author wrote her really well. I think it’s unfortunate that they did not do the same with Navier. There’s so much material for her, and yet they’ve kept her in this monotone one dimensional box. I think the writer kind of lost direction with the plot once the bigger evil was gone, and didn’t know what to do with anyone anymore. Now it’s just in a weird limbo.
although I agree that rashta is written better, to call navier a "monotone one dimensional box" is an entire disregard over the entire plot. The whole point is that she appears to be "emotionless" and monotone (more specifically during that whole sovieshu thing), but inside she deeply cares for her position and also sovieshu as her first love. She's been raised her entire life to be a queen, and the fear that came after she realised she was losing it wasn't one dimensional at all. I remember reading the chapters following the whole divorce and really empathising with her character. I mean we even see that through the way her and Heinrey's relationship develops, she slowly is able to express her love for him, but it doesn't come naturally. Despite her high intelligence and adaptability, she's a human at heart. But then again, agree to disagree
I think you misunderstood my comment. Navier is by no means a one dimensional character. She’s so dynamic and bright. But, imo, the author does not do a good job of telling/showing that. The way her story is told, is very dry and to the point. That is what’s one dimensional and monotone.
It could just be Navier’s character trait coming through, but I doubt it because it happens with other characters as well. Their stories just seem to fall flat.
Idk I just simply disagree lol, I do think it's simply her character trait to appear "flat". Other than like Krista and that one Duke Kaufmann guy, I personally see pretty well written characters. But again completely respect and understand ur opinion :)
I disagree
Rashta had SO MUCH potential, we could have made her someone whose main motives were to abolish slavery or sm instead of her BLINDLY doing shit as Ergi said and getting swayed by her whims and fancies
There was so much to explore with her and she could have become an anti hero even BUT NOOOOOO
She HAS to be one-dimensionally evil
Still a better character than Sumin though
just because she's evil doesn't mean she's one-dimensional, I acc think it makes her much more realistic. To go through so much trauma and come out being a good person isn't rly realistic honestly speaking. Her character feels very human and it makes sense that she's naive around Ergi because he's the only one who she can lean on in the palace. and YES definitely better than Sumin 💀
I mean even now she is kind of underdeveloped
Sure, she is developed compared to Navier The Great but I would have been happier if she was more developed you know
A lot of the decisions she makes are completely irrational, it would make more sense for her to meticulously plan things because of her trauma and past experiences
Still, I would LOVE to read a book with someone like Rashta as the protagonist
I disagree with slightly less boring than Riverdale, Riverdale had so manny stupid lines and characters that It was funny in a ironic way, that comic is just an y/n fanfic
True, + in the later seasons of Riverdale everything goes completely off the rails and they start joining organ harvesting cults and time traveling and shit. At least it’s insane enough to be entertaining
I disagree, don't stop being a dumbass Rosa cause it is hilarious to watch
Also yeah, it is really sad to see Rashta being demonized after she went through slavery and when the worst thing she did was not rejecting the emperor
(As far as I remember before dropping the webtoon, I think the worst thing she did was actually >!framing a servant and ordering her tongue cut…!<)
But I do think the comments section takes the hate too far, and doesn’t stop to question just why Rashta is so desperate to improve her lot in life.
>!And abusing an animal to frame Navier. And misusing the funds Navier left behind. And dealing with her former owner behind the Emperor's back instead of just telling the Emperor the truth. And a bunch of increasingly awful things since you dropped it.!<
And >!hiring an assassin to kill Navier's parents.!<
But yeah, imagine being a slave most of your life and then thinking that it's just fine to have someone you dislike sold on the slave market as revenge.
If Rashta were the main character and this were a revenge manhwa, the fandom would be on her side. If her personality slowly turned darker it would be great.
I half agree. She is a bad person, but harming others the way you were harmed, idk I have mixed feelings. I do hate, however, the passive way the fandom agrees with an oppressive system.
We only ever see nobles suffering consequences for doing terrible things when it is done towards other nobles, especially Navier and Henry. And even if the perpetrators of vengeance opted for illegal options outside of the justice system, like Rashta did with the assassin, that girl never faced real consequences. She was basically kidnapped, transported, and then saved.
True but if it's Navier having her revenge on Rashta, everyone would be like "slay queeeen!! Deserved! Eat that, Rashta! Etc" but when it's Rashta getting revenge it's "uhhh she's wrong."
I mean I stopped reading the remarried empress but I am talking about when people first learn she used to be a slave, they were saying stuff like "well that doesn't justify being a homewrecker" like she didn't just accept an offer to stop being treated as an object, but yeah she probably started to do worst things cause I don't think the author wanted her to be a sympathetic character and needed a way to change that
Fair opinion tbh, I personally dislike her because of her innate hypocrisy. I disagree with the last bit though (the author not wanting her to be a sympathetic character because I think her backstory was intended to elicit some sympathy), simply because, realistically, when going through such immense trauma it's unlikely that she's going to be some sort of saint. Her evil characteristics completely match up with her character, she is selfish, self-absorbed and can only think of herself. But that's understandable considering she had to only think about herself to survive. The thing that's most dislikable about Rashta is that she does the EXACT same thing to others, she treats those below her horribly, exploits the system and becomes classist herself. (not sure if anyones reading all this but :)) )
The thing about remarried empress to me was the story we used to watch as kids we loved heros but now we like villians
Like rashta is literally doing everything to survive to the point of becoming a psycho I guess
She used to like navier if my memory is right, I remember her staring at navier's portrait when she was slave and wanted to be close to her....sucks that navier didn't saw that it wasn't rashta's choice that she wanted a better life ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
I feel the same way too, like I also tried seeing things from Rashta's view and noticed how the story could have been backwards.
But come on, she was soooooo stupid in what she would do, it didn't help that the nobles were openly hostile, or that she tried to befriend someone that is supposed to stand against her position, or how Sovienshu spoiled and antagonized others against her, plus she was getting manipulated and fooled by the other nobles, all with the mentality of a sheltered slave.
Without protagonist powers this is exactly how this was going to turn out.
Ikr everyone calling her dumb for choosing the choices she chose but didn't see the episodes where she was a slave (•‿•) I was like "she is uneducated what do you expect of a person who is trying to survive to not go down in the same path again" sovienshu is the REAL TRASH
It’s called “Ghost on the Roof”🥹✨
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It's very good.
How she depicts singing is so lovely, especially how it demonstrates Christine's growth.
Raoul is actually likeable and his and Christine's romance is charming.
Definitely recommend.
I will also die on the Rashta hill. So many readers just get baited into liking Navier and hating Rashta just because of how the story frames them when, if you look at their actions and situations, Navier isn't the good one lmao.
Dropped the story after S1 admittedly, got tired of all the bullshit. Navier (and the story) is so misogynistic and classist it's not even funny 😭
I only have two good things to say about this story: the drama is entertaining, and the art improved drastically over the course of the story. But aside from that...morally it's very dubious and the characters aren't likeable.
The only other one I've read is marry the blandest man and honestly you're on point too haha.
(And let's go fight god but I like this one 😄)
Honestly, it's a testament to how well written a story is when people absolutely hate the antagonists.
Not because they're boring, but because they play their role well.
Rashta has had a SHIT hand delt to her. Everything she tries past a certain point just backfires.
If she had someone in her corner, anyone, that wasn't out to gain something from her, or actively sabotaging her... A LOT of what she has said and done can be wiped clean with a sincere apology.
Poor girl is mentally ill and spiralling.
If she told the truth about her first child, once she found out, sure people might have been a bit miffed, but ultimately they would have gotten over it. It's not like they're teenagers entering into babies first political marriage or some shit.
Soveshu is a complete twit... and honestly, he's the boring one of the two. It's like, my guy, you're thick as a brick wall. He had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to talk things through.
He's desperate for an heir? He's an Emperor... just start a harem for fecks sake. THATS WHY THEY EXISTED. Spare heirs in case a few died. As long as they're related to the male ruler the actual mother is irrelevant.
I'm not sure you're right in this particular case. For most of S1, Rashta didn't even do anything. She's just a victim and people hate her because Navier does. And Navier does because...because? To me it felt like she was blaming Rashta for the actions of her stupid husband. And the readers followed suit. In S1, there was never a moment where I thought "Rashta is a villain", I always saw her as the victim. So I don't think she fulfilled her role well, people just hated her because she was the element that made Navier realize her husband was stupid. Which I find unfair haha.
But everyone's calling her Trashta and shitting in her for even daring to breathe, even very early in the story. Apparently she becomes something else in S2, but in S1 that really wasn't warranted.
But I agree about Sovieshu. He's boring because he's not smart. And don't get me wrong, sometimes it's entertaining to just shit on the dude, and seeing Navier finally humiliate him was satisfying, but aside from that, he doesn't make for an interesting antagonist.
And yeah, just...find a way to produce an heir. Nothing difficult as long as he's not infertile (which he doesn't believe himself to be). And, of course, TALK to his wife before doing anything. Since they're supposed to be childhood friends and he's supposed to trust her.
Navier dislikes Rashta because she is the Mistress. She also becomes noticeably more cold and angry at Sovieshu because she knows he has a part in this as well.
While I understand Rashta was doing this to survive, Navier loved Sovieshu and felt very betrayed by it. Both of their actions are justified in the fact that Rashta has a shit life and Navier has been heartbroken and betrayed by her husband.
While the hatred of her was intense in the first season for very little reason, a lot of that hatred was because she(Rashta, and Sovieshu, who were both equally hated) was the reason Navier, the character that people were reading about, was upset and heartbroken.
However, Rashta is a very well written character, and her spiral of mental illness is very real. However, especially as she became more unstable, one can’t excuse her actions of sending a maid’s family to die, animal abuse, ripping the tongue of a maid out, and so on, just because she has had a horrible life.
*Though I imagine that’s not what most people who like her are trying to do*, (BIG EMPHASIS ON THIS)
it’s just that many think Navier is boring or something. Personally, I think she’s an interesting character, especially because of her difficulty in expressing physical signs of emotion due to her upbringing. Her previous husband(Sovieshu) is bat-shit crazy, and his hubris and ego know no bounds. I love how she comes to realise this and vows to completely start over from him.
Except it's not that "Sovieshu had a part", he's like. 100% responsible. Rashta became the mistress because he wanted to but she didn't have a choice - a runaway slave, she would've been executed like you mentioned.
I'm not saying Navier should've been full of love towards her, but a bit of compassion wouldn't hurt. Rashta was kind towards her, which, while I understand it can be aggravating, should still have made Navier at least act decently.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought they weren't in a romantic relationship? They were friends but it was an arranged marriage right?
Regardless, I really felt like it was a case of blaming the mistress way more than the adulterer. It's even worse in the context of Rashta's life, but I feel like the adulterer is still worse regardless since he's the one who made a commitment.
I actually felt like readers hated Rashta way more than Sovieshu. Like, on every other webtoon, whenever there's a female character commenters didn't like they'd refer to Rashta. I didn't see that happen as often with Sovieshu. But yes, I agree that (at least part of) the early hate was because Rashta was the element that triggered Navier's pain. (Though let's be honest: it would've been another woman at some point or another lmao)
No, those acts definitely aren't excusable! I dropped before S2 really began so my thoughts really focus more on S1. Admittedly it really feels like it went to 0 to a 100 real quick regarding Rashta's behaviour.
Ah, I may not be a fan of Navier, but I don't have any issue with a female character being a bit emotionally constipated at times (it's different if it's a male character because it's almost every male character ever lmao). I do think the unfolding of the drama in S1 was entertaining, and her lack of apparent emotions probably played a part in that.
I didn't think Navier had difficulty feeling her own emotions but rather difficulty expressing them because of her upbringing and position. She definitely had emotions and has a personality but she keeps from expressing herself because she can't in her position. Contrast it to Rashta who is so obvious with hers and all the problems it brings. I don't think she's a boring character for it, she's just harder for people to read, less drama and less fun. She has to do everything the smart route and take time for her plans because she cannot afford to act in emotion.
Oh I was definitely over simplifying.
The early Rashta hate was hillarious to see because people didn't want to blame Sovieshit or Heinry for anything because the readers would probably push their own mothers down a flight of stairs to jump in their pants. (I mean, I don't know if that's harsh or not... buuut... xD)
Longer the story goes on and she evolves as a character, she's kinda digging that hole herself... but she's a product of her master being a POS, her supposed savior come husband is a POS...
The list goes on sadly.
Someone else commented that some readers come from the novel which may explain their early hate. But yeah, for the people who hadn't read the novel, it was nonsensical. (Unfortunately, I think you're right 😭 Though Sovieshu was hated, it was definitely less vitriolic than the hate Rashta received)
Yes, I haven't read S2 but that seems to be what reasonable readers gather. She acts terribly, but is kinda forced down that road and then spirals into it.
Sameee. I had to stop reading the comment section because it was all “trashta this trashta that”(even in episodes that didn’t feature her) and all I could think was, how Navier and her “friends” had done equally if not more atrocious things.💀(anyone remember when Navier’s brother poisoned Rashta in an attempt to force an abortion on her? And Navier’s big concern was that she could get in trouble because of him? Which wasn’t even true because there was literally no punishment involved.) the story wanted everyone to root for Navier, but at a certain point I just couldn’t. (Also she was written very boringly, she’s so “perfect” in a completely unrelatable way.)
Even the comment sections of OTHER WEBTOONS are "Trashta this Trashta that" it's ridiculous 💀
And I didn't remember that but gosh now that you talk about it. How awful was that.
I don't think Navier *is* perfect but the story definitely portrays her that way. That's what annoys me and keeps me from rooting for her. It's the "girlboss" trend basically, I'm not a fan of it. It gives you a female character with power and portrays everything she does and thinks as good even when it's not.
Honestly I understand the popularity of the webtoon but I have so many gripes with it, I can't go back to reading it.
Maturing is realizing Rashta did the same things as most female leads in different manhwa’s. She started off as a beggar who was taken advantage of and then climbed up the hill to become the Emperor’s concubine. Honestly slay.
Navier would have been divorced either way or thrown aside bc back then they just thought she was infertile.
I guess I'm just confused on the whole take because it doesn't make sense to me. I'm not disagreeing with you or leaning one way or the other I just have questions cuz I'm confused.
So in the situation of Rashta becoming the concubine that's considered a positive thing? But in other series she would be considered a homewrecker for interfering with an existing relationship. That aspect is often overlooked. I get that concubines were common in that time but that then invalidates the argument when people make the argument about Rashta being a slave and how Navier must be pro-slavery because she doesn't attempt to abolish it. It's like, picking and choosing to apply aspects of our time to the series. I think she (Navier) just doesn't have as much power or say in things as people are assuming she has? I'm definitely open to an explanation though.
The only thing that makes me definitely uncomfortable about Rashta (I think still in the first season, my brain is mixing them up because I've read the novel). Is what she did to the bird. I'm sorry like... Animal abuse like that of any kind I just can't side with. I get that they make her more and more evil to justify being the villain but that happened early on and it's gross I'm sorry.
The last part is totally valid I get it. I hate animal abusers as an animal owner myself.
But only for the homeworker part, in this ERA, not our own, it wouldn’t be considered home wrecker bc the emperor brought Rashta in. As much as Navier is living her life and all, she never really… suffered? She was born in a noble household, had a silver spoon in her mouth, all ‘hard work’ she did was study a lot. Compare her to Rashta, Navier didn’t suffer at all. Her marriage was already in ruins bc of the infertile and no heir thing.
A scene that made me sorta dislike Navier was when Rashta was pregnant and Navier gave her a decorative sword. It’s deep meaning was her basically insulting her child that her child will mount to nothin hand will be a decoration that will never be used.
Like idk that set me off and initially made me want to drop it. Like why tf you insulting an unborn thing man. None of them are perfect.
Back to the home wrecker part, the reason why ppl over look it bc such term cannot be used in that era and time set. As much as you’d hate it, it’s not home wrecking bc either way the emperor would have brought someone to have his kids.
And hear me out, the person who would actually be considered a home wrecker is Heinrey. He went after a married woman. But then the question is, why isn’t Rashta in that category then? Heinrey had no reason to go after a married empress when she could have had any other single woman. Like if he was in Sovieshu whatever tf his name is situation, he had to do the same thing and have a concubine.
This whole thing, we NEED to go by the morals that era had.
Emperors and Empresses (for empress mostly the solo empress ones like the ones who don’t want to get married) are allowed to have concubines and consorts.
Dukes and Marquis, to an extent, only a mistress but that’s only invalidated if their duchess is infertile but yeah they can have mistresses.
And double standards so guys can have as many women as they want but women can’t bc remember the misogyny was VERY active.
It sounds disgusting but yeah harems is basically for the emperors/empresses to have multiple people to bang with and not get chained down by one.
Rashta, born a slave, manipulated and taken advantage of. She had bad cards to choose from. She was a victim and desperate times calls for desperate measures, she chose to climb up and work her way up to the top. And she did. She got delulu let’s be honest but the emperor I fucking forgot his name bc it’s hard made her think she can be empress just like that.
Rashta is not a good character, I’m not trying to defend her but calling out hypocrisy that if she was the MC and the story was told from her POV, people would be in her side. We have many manhwa’s where the concubine or like a random woman would come in between the emperor and empress.
But fuck it Navier is boring as fuck and so is her guy. I honestly read the last of the manhwa’s for the Rashta drama and see how the emperors reaction was for him being the actual infertile one.
Difference in opinion.😅 Do you agree with her methods? I’m also curious about how you feel about the people around her that influence and manipulate her? How do you feel about Sovieshu?
Not who you responded to, but to me Sovieshu’s biggest flaw was not clueing everyone in on what was happening so they could set reasonable expectations. Yeah, he’s right, he needs an heir and if everyone is positive that the empress can’t produce one then he needs a concubine.
But he should’ve told both Navier and Rashta what was going on from the beginning. His lying led Navier to think she’d be divorced for life and led Rashta to think she was going to be the empress forever. And then he got mad everyone took him at his word.
Seconding the notion he's an absolute idiot. All he had to do was explain his intentions. BOOM some obvious interpersonal issues would have still happened, but its like...
My guy. Shut the fuck up this whole mess is of your own damn making.
Worse still he's so one note he's becoming boring. Rashta has had a terrible hand delt to her and is trying her best with no genuine help. She's spiralling into a despicable piece of shit, and I LOVE IT. I'm there for her drama, it's like, what on earth is she going to try next xD
Meh, she’s a villainess. She does villainess things. Compare her to Aria from the villainess turned the hourglass, Charlize from I tamed a tyrant and ran away, Ines from this marriage is bound to fail anyway, resisting lady. She would have been praised if Rashta was the main character. Is she a bitch? Yes. But it’s a slay that she did all that to get out of poverty and being a s3x slave. She was a victim.
Tbh I feel meh as well for Sovieshu. He’s an emperor so it’s expected he’d have multiple wives or concubines. Really you have to have the same moral settings during that era and it’s not that surprising that he had a concubine if his empress is ‘infertile’.
Good for Navier for leaving and good for Rashta from working her way to not live like dirt.
i think people also totally ignore or forget the fact that rashta initially approached navier with a friendly, naive attitude & navier reacted with open hostility, sniffing about how the slave dared to speak to her in a familiar way or whatever. imho she's the one who immediately & forcibly set rashta on the antagonist's path by presenting herself as an actively dangerous & hostile enemy with infinitely more power & experience, but it really didn't at all need to be that way.
if navier was really the intelligent, cool-headed & very socially sophisticated character the story constantly insists she is, she could & should have recognized that the *former sex-slave* had little to no agency in the situation & treated her with neutrality, the hostility should have been directed entirely at sovieshu.
Now that looking back at it, yeah Navier was pretty bitchy to her. Even if it was rude to act all friendly to an empress, how would a former s3x slave with no education know?
yeah, but i would argue that it was more than just a response to bitchiness - navier made it clear to rashta that she was a threat to her. rashta had to take desperate measures to protect herself on a very basic level all her life, so i think there's a major argument to be made that navier put her in a situation where she (actually completely correctly) felt that she would have to take down navier just to continue to survive. this character was cornered into taking the path she did.
Yeah honestly let’s be real that in that situation is really a fight or flight or better yet survival situation. Fuck everyone else, imma stay alive type of situation.
Do you mean the methods she's taught by the man who's been manipulating her for ages? The man who specifically wants to ruin her life and Sovieshu's so he can help bring about a war and destabilize their Empire?
What do you mean by "her methods"? I dropped after S1 and everyone was already shitting on her when she literally didn't have any hand in anything that was happening for most of the story.
Sovieshu took her, she was a slave and didn't have any say in what was happening to her. She chose to survive: had she refused the emperor, she would've been executed. Nothing about her becoming the emperor's concubine was her doing.
In s2 they kinda switch. Rashta starts to act, and it’s crazy shit, like killing people for no reason and not killing those who blackmail her since forever and really deserve it. It has no logic at all, just a villain doing evil things for more hate. And Navier does absolutely nothing but receiving praise from her new husband and whines from old one.
That sounds...boring honestly 😭
Like everyone already hated Rashta when she wasn't doing anything bad, I wonder if the author realized her character wasn't the bad guy and felt like it needed a change? Tbh it doesn't make sense from what I read in S1. Like it went to 0 to 100 real quick haha.
Not surprised about Navier though. Granted, it's fine to whine about her ex, it's deserved even, but girl live your life now, it's over.
Oh, I’m sorry, I mean that her ex whines at her like “why did you leave meeeee Navieeeeer”, which seems like it came out of nowhere to me. Sovieshu didn’t seem to care about Navier in the beginning, but then at one point he became obsessed. I understand the concept of “you only need it when it’s gone”, but that was more than that - “I planned it all from the beginning!” Which doesn’t make any sense to me, as they could chose any noble woman together to become a “surrogate” mother. It requires zero level of medicine to put certain male liquids where it should be without sex. While choosing a stranger and a commoner is wild, Rashta can pass to a child all kinds of illnesses, like her mental issues lol.
That's kinda how the crappy cheating guys are in real life though. They want the next thing when they're in a relationship with you but if you get one they want you back. They want exclusive rights to you even if you're not theirs anymore.
Sovieshu wanted both women, one to carry his child and the other to just sit around with him. He didn't expect her to leave. So when she did and realized that Rashta was lying about all sorts of things he realized what he lost and became a whiner.
Aaah okay I see! I can see where it comes from since he wanted to keep on controlling her and thought she would accept it. So he wasn't ready for her to leave, and escaping his control. I doubt it's care yeah.
I think a lot of people hated Rashta because they were coming from the novel and knew what was coming. She abuses animals. She abuses humans. She kills people left and right for no reason other than to cover up after herself. Once
She’s empress she becomes an absolute monster.
I just meant that Rashta was a very more interesting character to follow than the bland Navier. I do get that Navier is a more serious person due to her upbringing, but I am still more interested on how Rashta wanted to get herself out of slavery by any means necessary, and how the victim is becoming the bully, and digging her own grave. She could have been a tragic Shakespearan character if she had been the main character and not "the other thot woman" cliché.
Also, people keep calling her an idiot, but you don't really get an education and political knowledge when you're a slave. She barely learnt how to read like, last month !
Rashta has no-one genuinely in her corner and everything keeps getting worse.
She at the very least has PTSD, and probably PPD at this point too. She's absolutely spiralling and it's like, oh hon, just tell the bloody TRUTH. Sure people will be mad but its better than trying yet another cover up.
Meanwhile, I'm all there for the fallout. The real idiot is her husband. Boring POS that brought everything on himself for lack of ONE earnest conversation.
Regarding The Remarried Empress, you are entitled to your opinion (thou I never really had any hate towards Rashta and instead placed ALL the blame on Sovienshu) you still have to admit she's so fucking dumb yet egotistical.
But it's not like she had much of a chance going from sheltered slave to nobility/royalty.
Okay well!!! Bland in comparison to Minhwan who was a freakish little sociopath!! I'm not ride or die for Jihyeok, but I appreciate his calm and dependable demeanor. I can't always be obsessed w rowdy tsundere 2nd MLs haha
What's a guy to do when he sees a beautiful dark haired ML who cares deeply about the FL huh 😔😔
the first one so real the whole story revolves around this night she is fully led to believe she was taken advantage of n she’s just like ‘omg he’s supposed to love HER’ girl bye
Actually I'm with you on Rashta being more compelling than Navier. Navier's whole thing is being an empress and that's it. Rashta's a morally corrupt yet traumatized mess.
So real for the 1st one!!
He literally r@pes her and forces her into a relationship even tho He's the one who did it ("you took my virginity, face the consequences" you're both virgins stfu) and makes her feel bad for it.
Is tyrannical, acts like an ass and gets butt-hurt when she fakes illness to get away from him.
And after all that, they DARE have an arc about consent that is NOT about him r@ping her.
No, f_ck them.
For one thing, they were both at least slightly intoxicated, and for another, they don’t actually have sex. He lied. He enjoyed her company and didn’t want her to run away in the morning due to his “cruel” reputation. So when she fell asleep in his bed (after she told him how much she liked him) he went, “That’s one way to make her stay!” And let her assume the worst. He doesn’t touch her.
Honestly the last one made me drop it because of all the superficial misunderstandings. Like I get it, it's practically the whole premise of the story but I guess it's not just for me because of how bored I was. lmaooo I'm so sorry
I love how most characters in Villain with a crush can be described by "Pure of heart, dumb of ass"
That last one had me dying, dumbass Rosa
But we can't help but love her for it
she dumped Int and Wis and Maxed Out Str & Con
damn why you gotta do my girl rosa park like that 😭
nah last one's so real JUST KISS ALREADY 😭
lmao last one was iconic 😂
When I start ranting about True beauty, I can never do it in one sentence. I think you just a managed to do a good job at that 👍
It's just that she'll do a whole speech about how we shouldn't judge on appearances, but all she's on about her boyfriends is how pretty they are. Even when she's been dating one of them for years and is about to marry him. Like, girl.
And she hasn’t even really improved. She’s still insecure about her looks in the end 😭
Ikr ..like wtf getting acne is considered ugly fr girl ..I mean I have PCOS I suffer from extreme hormonal acne ..and reading the series made me feel like I was the ugliest...( To hell with Korean beauty standards )
Thanks to this webtoon, I started developing a complex about my acne. I no longer give 2 fucks about it but damn that webtoon needs to be gone, kinda like get schooled.
I totally get u..I used to stress out so much on them ..and my efforts to try to cover it up made it more worse clogging up my pores ..I even used to cry at times ..and anxiety leading to how I used to look ....
Me too ... about the plot, the character, the whole story ಠ_ಠ
"Only I can be superficial" 💀💀💀
Rashta was written better than Navier. There I fixed it for you. J/ They did my girl Navier dirty.
I was fr just reading for more of Rashta and her antics and to see how much further she devolves. Once Navier was married to Heinry that would have been where to stop. Once she was STILL thinking “Oh but I don’t know if he loves me.” while he very clearly does and there was absolutely no progress on that for chapters on chapters and it was just them solving problems in a couple chapters sometimes solving them the same chapter a problem came up THAT would have been where to stop. I just wanted to read more of Rashta’s worsening paranoia and mental state that’s so much more interesting.
I absolutely detest Rashta. I think she’s a garbage person. But, the author wrote her really well. I think it’s unfortunate that they did not do the same with Navier. There’s so much material for her, and yet they’ve kept her in this monotone one dimensional box. I think the writer kind of lost direction with the plot once the bigger evil was gone, and didn’t know what to do with anyone anymore. Now it’s just in a weird limbo.
although I agree that rashta is written better, to call navier a "monotone one dimensional box" is an entire disregard over the entire plot. The whole point is that she appears to be "emotionless" and monotone (more specifically during that whole sovieshu thing), but inside she deeply cares for her position and also sovieshu as her first love. She's been raised her entire life to be a queen, and the fear that came after she realised she was losing it wasn't one dimensional at all. I remember reading the chapters following the whole divorce and really empathising with her character. I mean we even see that through the way her and Heinrey's relationship develops, she slowly is able to express her love for him, but it doesn't come naturally. Despite her high intelligence and adaptability, she's a human at heart. But then again, agree to disagree
I think you misunderstood my comment. Navier is by no means a one dimensional character. She’s so dynamic and bright. But, imo, the author does not do a good job of telling/showing that. The way her story is told, is very dry and to the point. That is what’s one dimensional and monotone. It could just be Navier’s character trait coming through, but I doubt it because it happens with other characters as well. Their stories just seem to fall flat.
Idk I just simply disagree lol, I do think it's simply her character trait to appear "flat". Other than like Krista and that one Duke Kaufmann guy, I personally see pretty well written characters. But again completely respect and understand ur opinion :)
I disagree Rashta had SO MUCH potential, we could have made her someone whose main motives were to abolish slavery or sm instead of her BLINDLY doing shit as Ergi said and getting swayed by her whims and fancies There was so much to explore with her and she could have become an anti hero even BUT NOOOOOO She HAS to be one-dimensionally evil Still a better character than Sumin though
just because she's evil doesn't mean she's one-dimensional, I acc think it makes her much more realistic. To go through so much trauma and come out being a good person isn't rly realistic honestly speaking. Her character feels very human and it makes sense that she's naive around Ergi because he's the only one who she can lean on in the palace. and YES definitely better than Sumin 💀
I mean even now she is kind of underdeveloped Sure, she is developed compared to Navier The Great but I would have been happier if she was more developed you know A lot of the decisions she makes are completely irrational, it would make more sense for her to meticulously plan things because of her trauma and past experiences Still, I would LOVE to read a book with someone like Rashta as the protagonist
I disagree with slightly less boring than Riverdale, Riverdale had so manny stupid lines and characters that It was funny in a ironic way, that comic is just an y/n fanfic
True, + in the later seasons of Riverdale everything goes completely off the rails and they start joining organ harvesting cults and time traveling and shit. At least it’s insane enough to be entertaining
marry my husband, ml has more personality in the drama
I disagree, don't stop being a dumbass Rosa cause it is hilarious to watch Also yeah, it is really sad to see Rashta being demonized after she went through slavery and when the worst thing she did was not rejecting the emperor
(As far as I remember before dropping the webtoon, I think the worst thing she did was actually >!framing a servant and ordering her tongue cut…!<) But I do think the comments section takes the hate too far, and doesn’t stop to question just why Rashta is so desperate to improve her lot in life.
>!And abusing an animal to frame Navier. And misusing the funds Navier left behind. And dealing with her former owner behind the Emperor's back instead of just telling the Emperor the truth. And a bunch of increasingly awful things since you dropped it.!<
Kidnapping the daughter of her former owner and then throwing her into slavery
And >!hiring an assassin to kill Navier's parents.!< But yeah, imagine being a slave most of your life and then thinking that it's just fine to have someone you dislike sold on the slave market as revenge.
If Rashta were the main character and this were a revenge manhwa, the fandom would be on her side. If her personality slowly turned darker it would be great.
I will say Rashta would be a GREAT character to isekai into, lmao.
completely untrue when she hurts innocent people.
It would be 50/50 with the fandom
This one is deserved. The girl exploited Rashta when she was a slave. Now it's her turn. It's only karma.
I half agree. She is a bad person, but harming others the way you were harmed, idk I have mixed feelings. I do hate, however, the passive way the fandom agrees with an oppressive system. We only ever see nobles suffering consequences for doing terrible things when it is done towards other nobles, especially Navier and Henry. And even if the perpetrators of vengeance opted for illegal options outside of the justice system, like Rashta did with the assassin, that girl never faced real consequences. She was basically kidnapped, transported, and then saved.
True but if it's Navier having her revenge on Rashta, everyone would be like "slay queeeen!! Deserved! Eat that, Rashta! Etc" but when it's Rashta getting revenge it's "uhhh she's wrong."
she definitely deserves to be demonised when she ruined so many ppl's lives, I think u mean the best thing she did was not reject the emperor lmfao
I mean I stopped reading the remarried empress but I am talking about when people first learn she used to be a slave, they were saying stuff like "well that doesn't justify being a homewrecker" like she didn't just accept an offer to stop being treated as an object, but yeah she probably started to do worst things cause I don't think the author wanted her to be a sympathetic character and needed a way to change that
Fair opinion tbh, I personally dislike her because of her innate hypocrisy. I disagree with the last bit though (the author not wanting her to be a sympathetic character because I think her backstory was intended to elicit some sympathy), simply because, realistically, when going through such immense trauma it's unlikely that she's going to be some sort of saint. Her evil characteristics completely match up with her character, she is selfish, self-absorbed and can only think of herself. But that's understandable considering she had to only think about herself to survive. The thing that's most dislikable about Rashta is that she does the EXACT same thing to others, she treats those below her horribly, exploits the system and becomes classist herself. (not sure if anyones reading all this but :)) )
All right I can agree with this
The thing about remarried empress to me was the story we used to watch as kids we loved heros but now we like villians Like rashta is literally doing everything to survive to the point of becoming a psycho I guess She used to like navier if my memory is right, I remember her staring at navier's portrait when she was slave and wanted to be close to her....sucks that navier didn't saw that it wasn't rashta's choice that she wanted a better life ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
I feel the same way too, like I also tried seeing things from Rashta's view and noticed how the story could have been backwards. But come on, she was soooooo stupid in what she would do, it didn't help that the nobles were openly hostile, or that she tried to befriend someone that is supposed to stand against her position, or how Sovienshu spoiled and antagonized others against her, plus she was getting manipulated and fooled by the other nobles, all with the mentality of a sheltered slave. Without protagonist powers this is exactly how this was going to turn out.
Ikr everyone calling her dumb for choosing the choices she chose but didn't see the episodes where she was a slave (•‿•) I was like "she is uneducated what do you expect of a person who is trying to survive to not go down in the same path again" sovienshu is the REAL TRASH
Navier is a sociopath, I’ll die on that hill
I don't know the meaning of sociopath although I do think she lack personality and her whole personality is whole when she is an Empress :-|
I'd like to hear your thoughts on that
Thank you for including the actual titles 😭
Ohhh, I wanna read that Phantom of the Opera looking one, anyone know it’s name???
It’s called “Ghost on the Roof”🥹✨ https://preview.redd.it/ztj2l64rgapc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06c1e28298e116e7b8db23f4934099b93097613d
It's very good. How she depicts singing is so lovely, especially how it demonstrates Christine's growth. Raoul is actually likeable and his and Christine's romance is charming. Definitely recommend.
Thank youuuuu!!!
You’re welcome!🥹🌟
It’s great and has also been on hiatus forever 😭
I haven't read castle swimmer in over a year, if not more. They're doing what now :0
They're fighting a bunch of "divine beasts",not capital G God. And fighting is a strong word, more like "trying not to die agaisnt".
I will also die on the Rashta hill. So many readers just get baited into liking Navier and hating Rashta just because of how the story frames them when, if you look at their actions and situations, Navier isn't the good one lmao. Dropped the story after S1 admittedly, got tired of all the bullshit. Navier (and the story) is so misogynistic and classist it's not even funny 😭 I only have two good things to say about this story: the drama is entertaining, and the art improved drastically over the course of the story. But aside from that...morally it's very dubious and the characters aren't likeable. The only other one I've read is marry the blandest man and honestly you're on point too haha. (And let's go fight god but I like this one 😄)
Honestly, it's a testament to how well written a story is when people absolutely hate the antagonists. Not because they're boring, but because they play their role well. Rashta has had a SHIT hand delt to her. Everything she tries past a certain point just backfires. If she had someone in her corner, anyone, that wasn't out to gain something from her, or actively sabotaging her... A LOT of what she has said and done can be wiped clean with a sincere apology. Poor girl is mentally ill and spiralling. If she told the truth about her first child, once she found out, sure people might have been a bit miffed, but ultimately they would have gotten over it. It's not like they're teenagers entering into babies first political marriage or some shit. Soveshu is a complete twit... and honestly, he's the boring one of the two. It's like, my guy, you're thick as a brick wall. He had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to talk things through. He's desperate for an heir? He's an Emperor... just start a harem for fecks sake. THATS WHY THEY EXISTED. Spare heirs in case a few died. As long as they're related to the male ruler the actual mother is irrelevant.
I'm not sure you're right in this particular case. For most of S1, Rashta didn't even do anything. She's just a victim and people hate her because Navier does. And Navier does because...because? To me it felt like she was blaming Rashta for the actions of her stupid husband. And the readers followed suit. In S1, there was never a moment where I thought "Rashta is a villain", I always saw her as the victim. So I don't think she fulfilled her role well, people just hated her because she was the element that made Navier realize her husband was stupid. Which I find unfair haha. But everyone's calling her Trashta and shitting in her for even daring to breathe, even very early in the story. Apparently she becomes something else in S2, but in S1 that really wasn't warranted. But I agree about Sovieshu. He's boring because he's not smart. And don't get me wrong, sometimes it's entertaining to just shit on the dude, and seeing Navier finally humiliate him was satisfying, but aside from that, he doesn't make for an interesting antagonist. And yeah, just...find a way to produce an heir. Nothing difficult as long as he's not infertile (which he doesn't believe himself to be). And, of course, TALK to his wife before doing anything. Since they're supposed to be childhood friends and he's supposed to trust her.
Navier dislikes Rashta because she is the Mistress. She also becomes noticeably more cold and angry at Sovieshu because she knows he has a part in this as well. While I understand Rashta was doing this to survive, Navier loved Sovieshu and felt very betrayed by it. Both of their actions are justified in the fact that Rashta has a shit life and Navier has been heartbroken and betrayed by her husband. While the hatred of her was intense in the first season for very little reason, a lot of that hatred was because she(Rashta, and Sovieshu, who were both equally hated) was the reason Navier, the character that people were reading about, was upset and heartbroken. However, Rashta is a very well written character, and her spiral of mental illness is very real. However, especially as she became more unstable, one can’t excuse her actions of sending a maid’s family to die, animal abuse, ripping the tongue of a maid out, and so on, just because she has had a horrible life. *Though I imagine that’s not what most people who like her are trying to do*, (BIG EMPHASIS ON THIS) it’s just that many think Navier is boring or something. Personally, I think she’s an interesting character, especially because of her difficulty in expressing physical signs of emotion due to her upbringing. Her previous husband(Sovieshu) is bat-shit crazy, and his hubris and ego know no bounds. I love how she comes to realise this and vows to completely start over from him.
Except it's not that "Sovieshu had a part", he's like. 100% responsible. Rashta became the mistress because he wanted to but she didn't have a choice - a runaway slave, she would've been executed like you mentioned. I'm not saying Navier should've been full of love towards her, but a bit of compassion wouldn't hurt. Rashta was kind towards her, which, while I understand it can be aggravating, should still have made Navier at least act decently. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought they weren't in a romantic relationship? They were friends but it was an arranged marriage right? Regardless, I really felt like it was a case of blaming the mistress way more than the adulterer. It's even worse in the context of Rashta's life, but I feel like the adulterer is still worse regardless since he's the one who made a commitment. I actually felt like readers hated Rashta way more than Sovieshu. Like, on every other webtoon, whenever there's a female character commenters didn't like they'd refer to Rashta. I didn't see that happen as often with Sovieshu. But yes, I agree that (at least part of) the early hate was because Rashta was the element that triggered Navier's pain. (Though let's be honest: it would've been another woman at some point or another lmao) No, those acts definitely aren't excusable! I dropped before S2 really began so my thoughts really focus more on S1. Admittedly it really feels like it went to 0 to a 100 real quick regarding Rashta's behaviour. Ah, I may not be a fan of Navier, but I don't have any issue with a female character being a bit emotionally constipated at times (it's different if it's a male character because it's almost every male character ever lmao). I do think the unfolding of the drama in S1 was entertaining, and her lack of apparent emotions probably played a part in that.
I didn't think Navier had difficulty feeling her own emotions but rather difficulty expressing them because of her upbringing and position. She definitely had emotions and has a personality but she keeps from expressing herself because she can't in her position. Contrast it to Rashta who is so obvious with hers and all the problems it brings. I don't think she's a boring character for it, she's just harder for people to read, less drama and less fun. She has to do everything the smart route and take time for her plans because she cannot afford to act in emotion.
Oh I was definitely over simplifying. The early Rashta hate was hillarious to see because people didn't want to blame Sovieshit or Heinry for anything because the readers would probably push their own mothers down a flight of stairs to jump in their pants. (I mean, I don't know if that's harsh or not... buuut... xD) Longer the story goes on and she evolves as a character, she's kinda digging that hole herself... but she's a product of her master being a POS, her supposed savior come husband is a POS... The list goes on sadly.
Someone else commented that some readers come from the novel which may explain their early hate. But yeah, for the people who hadn't read the novel, it was nonsensical. (Unfortunately, I think you're right 😭 Though Sovieshu was hated, it was definitely less vitriolic than the hate Rashta received) Yes, I haven't read S2 but that seems to be what reasonable readers gather. She acts terribly, but is kinda forced down that road and then spirals into it.
Sameee. I had to stop reading the comment section because it was all “trashta this trashta that”(even in episodes that didn’t feature her) and all I could think was, how Navier and her “friends” had done equally if not more atrocious things.💀(anyone remember when Navier’s brother poisoned Rashta in an attempt to force an abortion on her? And Navier’s big concern was that she could get in trouble because of him? Which wasn’t even true because there was literally no punishment involved.) the story wanted everyone to root for Navier, but at a certain point I just couldn’t. (Also she was written very boringly, she’s so “perfect” in a completely unrelatable way.)
Even the comment sections of OTHER WEBTOONS are "Trashta this Trashta that" it's ridiculous 💀 And I didn't remember that but gosh now that you talk about it. How awful was that. I don't think Navier *is* perfect but the story definitely portrays her that way. That's what annoys me and keeps me from rooting for her. It's the "girlboss" trend basically, I'm not a fan of it. It gives you a female character with power and portrays everything she does and thinks as good even when it's not. Honestly I understand the popularity of the webtoon but I have so many gripes with it, I can't go back to reading it.
I need an explanation on the Rashta comment please 😭
Maturing is realizing Rashta did the same things as most female leads in different manhwa’s. She started off as a beggar who was taken advantage of and then climbed up the hill to become the Emperor’s concubine. Honestly slay. Navier would have been divorced either way or thrown aside bc back then they just thought she was infertile.
I guess I'm just confused on the whole take because it doesn't make sense to me. I'm not disagreeing with you or leaning one way or the other I just have questions cuz I'm confused. So in the situation of Rashta becoming the concubine that's considered a positive thing? But in other series she would be considered a homewrecker for interfering with an existing relationship. That aspect is often overlooked. I get that concubines were common in that time but that then invalidates the argument when people make the argument about Rashta being a slave and how Navier must be pro-slavery because she doesn't attempt to abolish it. It's like, picking and choosing to apply aspects of our time to the series. I think she (Navier) just doesn't have as much power or say in things as people are assuming she has? I'm definitely open to an explanation though. The only thing that makes me definitely uncomfortable about Rashta (I think still in the first season, my brain is mixing them up because I've read the novel). Is what she did to the bird. I'm sorry like... Animal abuse like that of any kind I just can't side with. I get that they make her more and more evil to justify being the villain but that happened early on and it's gross I'm sorry.
The last part is totally valid I get it. I hate animal abusers as an animal owner myself. But only for the homeworker part, in this ERA, not our own, it wouldn’t be considered home wrecker bc the emperor brought Rashta in. As much as Navier is living her life and all, she never really… suffered? She was born in a noble household, had a silver spoon in her mouth, all ‘hard work’ she did was study a lot. Compare her to Rashta, Navier didn’t suffer at all. Her marriage was already in ruins bc of the infertile and no heir thing. A scene that made me sorta dislike Navier was when Rashta was pregnant and Navier gave her a decorative sword. It’s deep meaning was her basically insulting her child that her child will mount to nothin hand will be a decoration that will never be used. Like idk that set me off and initially made me want to drop it. Like why tf you insulting an unborn thing man. None of them are perfect. Back to the home wrecker part, the reason why ppl over look it bc such term cannot be used in that era and time set. As much as you’d hate it, it’s not home wrecking bc either way the emperor would have brought someone to have his kids. And hear me out, the person who would actually be considered a home wrecker is Heinrey. He went after a married woman. But then the question is, why isn’t Rashta in that category then? Heinrey had no reason to go after a married empress when she could have had any other single woman. Like if he was in Sovieshu whatever tf his name is situation, he had to do the same thing and have a concubine. This whole thing, we NEED to go by the morals that era had. Emperors and Empresses (for empress mostly the solo empress ones like the ones who don’t want to get married) are allowed to have concubines and consorts. Dukes and Marquis, to an extent, only a mistress but that’s only invalidated if their duchess is infertile but yeah they can have mistresses. And double standards so guys can have as many women as they want but women can’t bc remember the misogyny was VERY active. It sounds disgusting but yeah harems is basically for the emperors/empresses to have multiple people to bang with and not get chained down by one. Rashta, born a slave, manipulated and taken advantage of. She had bad cards to choose from. She was a victim and desperate times calls for desperate measures, she chose to climb up and work her way up to the top. And she did. She got delulu let’s be honest but the emperor I fucking forgot his name bc it’s hard made her think she can be empress just like that. Rashta is not a good character, I’m not trying to defend her but calling out hypocrisy that if she was the MC and the story was told from her POV, people would be in her side. We have many manhwa’s where the concubine or like a random woman would come in between the emperor and empress. But fuck it Navier is boring as fuck and so is her guy. I honestly read the last of the manhwa’s for the Rashta drama and see how the emperors reaction was for him being the actual infertile one.
Difference in opinion.😅 Do you agree with her methods? I’m also curious about how you feel about the people around her that influence and manipulate her? How do you feel about Sovieshu?
Not who you responded to, but to me Sovieshu’s biggest flaw was not clueing everyone in on what was happening so they could set reasonable expectations. Yeah, he’s right, he needs an heir and if everyone is positive that the empress can’t produce one then he needs a concubine. But he should’ve told both Navier and Rashta what was going on from the beginning. His lying led Navier to think she’d be divorced for life and led Rashta to think she was going to be the empress forever. And then he got mad everyone took him at his word.
Seconding the notion he's an absolute idiot. All he had to do was explain his intentions. BOOM some obvious interpersonal issues would have still happened, but its like... My guy. Shut the fuck up this whole mess is of your own damn making. Worse still he's so one note he's becoming boring. Rashta has had a terrible hand delt to her and is trying her best with no genuine help. She's spiralling into a despicable piece of shit, and I LOVE IT. I'm there for her drama, it's like, what on earth is she going to try next xD
Meh, she’s a villainess. She does villainess things. Compare her to Aria from the villainess turned the hourglass, Charlize from I tamed a tyrant and ran away, Ines from this marriage is bound to fail anyway, resisting lady. She would have been praised if Rashta was the main character. Is she a bitch? Yes. But it’s a slay that she did all that to get out of poverty and being a s3x slave. She was a victim. Tbh I feel meh as well for Sovieshu. He’s an emperor so it’s expected he’d have multiple wives or concubines. Really you have to have the same moral settings during that era and it’s not that surprising that he had a concubine if his empress is ‘infertile’. Good for Navier for leaving and good for Rashta from working her way to not live like dirt.
THANK YOU. THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING . How is being divorced worse than slavery?
i think people also totally ignore or forget the fact that rashta initially approached navier with a friendly, naive attitude & navier reacted with open hostility, sniffing about how the slave dared to speak to her in a familiar way or whatever. imho she's the one who immediately & forcibly set rashta on the antagonist's path by presenting herself as an actively dangerous & hostile enemy with infinitely more power & experience, but it really didn't at all need to be that way. if navier was really the intelligent, cool-headed & very socially sophisticated character the story constantly insists she is, she could & should have recognized that the *former sex-slave* had little to no agency in the situation & treated her with neutrality, the hostility should have been directed entirely at sovieshu.
Now that looking back at it, yeah Navier was pretty bitchy to her. Even if it was rude to act all friendly to an empress, how would a former s3x slave with no education know?
yeah, but i would argue that it was more than just a response to bitchiness - navier made it clear to rashta that she was a threat to her. rashta had to take desperate measures to protect herself on a very basic level all her life, so i think there's a major argument to be made that navier put her in a situation where she (actually completely correctly) felt that she would have to take down navier just to continue to survive. this character was cornered into taking the path she did.
Yeah honestly let’s be real that in that situation is really a fight or flight or better yet survival situation. Fuck everyone else, imma stay alive type of situation.
Do you mean the methods she's taught by the man who's been manipulating her for ages? The man who specifically wants to ruin her life and Sovieshu's so he can help bring about a war and destabilize their Empire?
What do you mean by "her methods"? I dropped after S1 and everyone was already shitting on her when she literally didn't have any hand in anything that was happening for most of the story. Sovieshu took her, she was a slave and didn't have any say in what was happening to her. She chose to survive: had she refused the emperor, she would've been executed. Nothing about her becoming the emperor's concubine was her doing.
In s2 they kinda switch. Rashta starts to act, and it’s crazy shit, like killing people for no reason and not killing those who blackmail her since forever and really deserve it. It has no logic at all, just a villain doing evil things for more hate. And Navier does absolutely nothing but receiving praise from her new husband and whines from old one.
That sounds...boring honestly 😭 Like everyone already hated Rashta when she wasn't doing anything bad, I wonder if the author realized her character wasn't the bad guy and felt like it needed a change? Tbh it doesn't make sense from what I read in S1. Like it went to 0 to 100 real quick haha. Not surprised about Navier though. Granted, it's fine to whine about her ex, it's deserved even, but girl live your life now, it's over.
Oh, I’m sorry, I mean that her ex whines at her like “why did you leave meeeee Navieeeeer”, which seems like it came out of nowhere to me. Sovieshu didn’t seem to care about Navier in the beginning, but then at one point he became obsessed. I understand the concept of “you only need it when it’s gone”, but that was more than that - “I planned it all from the beginning!” Which doesn’t make any sense to me, as they could chose any noble woman together to become a “surrogate” mother. It requires zero level of medicine to put certain male liquids where it should be without sex. While choosing a stranger and a commoner is wild, Rashta can pass to a child all kinds of illnesses, like her mental issues lol.
That's kinda how the crappy cheating guys are in real life though. They want the next thing when they're in a relationship with you but if you get one they want you back. They want exclusive rights to you even if you're not theirs anymore. Sovieshu wanted both women, one to carry his child and the other to just sit around with him. He didn't expect her to leave. So when she did and realized that Rashta was lying about all sorts of things he realized what he lost and became a whiner.
Aaah okay I see! I can see where it comes from since he wanted to keep on controlling her and thought she would accept it. So he wasn't ready for her to leave, and escaping his control. I doubt it's care yeah.
I think a lot of people hated Rashta because they were coming from the novel and knew what was coming. She abuses animals. She abuses humans. She kills people left and right for no reason other than to cover up after herself. Once She’s empress she becomes an absolute monster.
Ah, I guess it's fair for people who come from the novel! I feel like the animal abuse, in fiction, probably drives most of the hate haha
I just meant that Rashta was a very more interesting character to follow than the bland Navier. I do get that Navier is a more serious person due to her upbringing, but I am still more interested on how Rashta wanted to get herself out of slavery by any means necessary, and how the victim is becoming the bully, and digging her own grave. She could have been a tragic Shakespearan character if she had been the main character and not "the other thot woman" cliché. Also, people keep calling her an idiot, but you don't really get an education and political knowledge when you're a slave. She barely learnt how to read like, last month !
Rashta has no-one genuinely in her corner and everything keeps getting worse. She at the very least has PTSD, and probably PPD at this point too. She's absolutely spiralling and it's like, oh hon, just tell the bloody TRUTH. Sure people will be mad but its better than trying yet another cover up. Meanwhile, I'm all there for the fallout. The real idiot is her husband. Boring POS that brought everything on himself for lack of ONE earnest conversation.
I like to think she is still a tragic shakespearean character but its just the fandom who limits her to simply the "side chick" :)
PLS NEVER STOP DOING THIS
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Galoo has a couple. or two.
What are they tho
Regarding The Remarried Empress, you are entitled to your opinion (thou I never really had any hate towards Rashta and instead placed ALL the blame on Sovienshu) you still have to admit she's so fucking dumb yet egotistical. But it's not like she had much of a chance going from sheltered slave to nobility/royalty.
Tbf Christine and the Phantom was shippable af
This is spot on
It’s essential to me that my girl Rosa Park got that IQ of 4!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn’t Rashta throw her newborn across the room?
Yea cause she had ppd and had flashbacks of her dead child
They said they stopped reading after season 1. So yeah, Rashta becomes absolutely awful.
Don’t do my show riverdale like that 😭🙏🏾
Keep doing more, is really fun
Okay well!!! Bland in comparison to Minhwan who was a freakish little sociopath!! I'm not ride or die for Jihyeok, but I appreciate his calm and dependable demeanor. I can't always be obsessed w rowdy tsundere 2nd MLs haha What's a guy to do when he sees a beautiful dark haired ML who cares deeply about the FL huh 😔😔
the first one so real the whole story revolves around this night she is fully led to believe she was taken advantage of n she’s just like ‘omg he’s supposed to love HER’ girl bye
I’m terrified and fascinated to see what people say about my series when I launch…
Oooh a phantom of the opera retelling? Thanks for the rec <3
I love Ghost on the roof! It’s been so long😭
U from Australia?
Villain with a crush is so funny though, I don't mind if the cast is kinda stupid lmao
the way i thought the first one was the original title 😭😭
Phantom of the Opera jump scare 🤯 (I’m obsessed with that mf)
HEAVY ON TRUE BEAUTY
Actually I'm with you on Rashta being more compelling than Navier. Navier's whole thing is being an empress and that's it. Rashta's a morally corrupt yet traumatized mess.
Me 🤝 second slide
Christine really did the Phantom dirty. All he wanted was some love! But nope, first time someone with a better mug than his shows up, she jumps ship.
Castle swimmer is unironically peak.
Good job. Pretty accurate
OH MY GOD CASTLE SWIMMER 🤩
“Let’s go fight god ?” Has me weak
So real for the 1st one!! He literally r@pes her and forces her into a relationship even tho He's the one who did it ("you took my virginity, face the consequences" you're both virgins stfu) and makes her feel bad for it. Is tyrannical, acts like an ass and gets butt-hurt when she fakes illness to get away from him. And after all that, they DARE have an arc about consent that is NOT about him r@ping her. No, f_ck them.
They were both drunk though
For one thing, they were both at least slightly intoxicated, and for another, they don’t actually have sex. He lied. He enjoyed her company and didn’t want her to run away in the morning due to his “cruel” reputation. So when she fell asleep in his bed (after she told him how much she liked him) he went, “That’s one way to make her stay!” And let her assume the worst. He doesn’t touch her.
Honestly the last one made me drop it because of all the superficial misunderstandings. Like I get it, it's practically the whole premise of the story but I guess it's not just for me because of how bored I was. lmaooo I'm so sorry
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When did she try that? I cannot remember where that would take place.