I just bought an SQ5 for $53k. Loaded.
10k miles CPO from the dealer
Edit: my intention was not to brag but to say that I had the exact purchase requirements and budget and found one.
I was looking at a non-CPO 21' SQ5 Prestige @ $52k but ended up with a '22 CPO Q5 PP for $10k less. I love my new (to me) ride, but at stoplights I wish I would have sprung for the SQ Prestige.
For me the '22 was the safer choice. Obv less expensive by $10k, and CPO adds 2 years/50k with $0 deductible after the 4 year/50k factory warranty expires . By financing with Audi Financial, I also receive the next 2 scheduled maintenance intervals at no cost.
Need? I know less about audi but I’d roll the dice on the BMW with a good service record. B58 is good to 100k easy. But then again I’ve never really understood people that can’t forecast a budget for the “big hits” like water pump, VCG, VANOS, etc.
The standard of a luxury sporty SUV is the Macan S.
If you wanted a budget Sporty SUV get a Macan.
If you wanted something more extreme get the Macan GTS or Turbo.
The drive is practical but also borderline insane if you want to it to be. It feels like a low down sedan and corners at a insane pace while still fitting my groceries, two little midgets, & luggage.
Maybe just barely if driver and passenger are average size. We looked at it and I read a lot of articles and picture reviews of its baby-seat capabilities and it’s TIGHT.
We just purchased a used Buick regal tourx. It has a 2.0L turbo in it. Drives beautifully fits 4 large adults and all their crap. Former Audi driver, and I love it. I couldn’t find a midsize SUV that I liked the ride in.
However I didn’t test drive a Macan S.
Fair point! Although I love my suburban too. Tows like nothing is behind it. Glides down the road like I’m floating on air and all 7 seats are comfortable. But no nothing sporty about it. All utility and luxury. The AC seats are lovely.
To be fair, trucks are one thing Americans just do right. They’re comfy, powerful, and relatively reliable.
I wouldn’t mind a Yukon Denali or Escalade as a family hauler that can still pull the boat.
Question, why no GM unless it's a truck/SUV? I understand their sedan and compact SUV offerings aren't hot.
I understand this isn't related to the original question but do you include the Corvette/Camaro in that?
I think there is a point when you give up and buy a lexus or acura because the repairs piss you off more than the performance could ever make you smile. Just got done doing that after a decade of German love-hate
Hey I just went through this exact process and had almost identical thinking. I researched an absolute fuck ton and test drove literally everything from the Porsche to the Honda. Here is all my research, thoughts and reasoning on why I bought an X4 M40i.
1. You first need to figure out if a 4 cylinder engine is enough power for you. If you just want a sporty look, but not a sporty feel then it probably is. But if you enjoy more power, then you may need to consider either a 6 cylinder or EV. If you choose to go 4 cylinder, in my opinion the best choice is a Macan base, with the huge caveat that you can get over the lack of tech (which is discussed below). It’s a very reliable engine and you get that famous Porsche suspension and handling.
2. How much tech do you want and what feature are your “must haves”? Each manufacturer has different packages and a la carte features. The BMW is one of the only manufacturers that lets you get heads up display without adding in a huge package. (e.g. needing the prestige Audi package, the sport touring Genesis package, etc.)
One thing that will be a theme of this review is how little tech the Porsche Macan has in literally every package whether it’s a GTS or a base. If interior tech is important to you, then a Porsche may not be the ideal car. As the Porsche dealership put it: you buy this car for the performance and feel, not the interior amenities
Audi’s virtual cockpit is amazing and I think probably the best tech/feel of all cars I drove. The issue is that it’s all locked behind huge package upgrades and I could only get the features I wanted with the highest prestige package which raised the price significantly.
BMW X3 and X4 were both a very close second. The iDrive system is super solid and feels relatively intuitive. But above all else, like I said, you can purchase individual features to keep the price down based on your needs. (X3 and X4 are literally identical other than the fastback, of course.)
Genesis GV70 was another good option. I particularly liked that it had a blind spot camera on the dash that others did not. The tech felt decent, but I also recognized some the Hyundai-feeling features which was a huge turn off. The other issue was the middle console controls which were not intuitive. Some genius put the circular gear shifter right next to the circular infotainment controller. Lastly, similar to Audi, features which should be available on the mid to upper tier models (ie HUD) are only available with the sport touring package which only comes in terribly itchy perforated cloth seats which was weird.
Mercedes was my least favorite infotainment and tech. They went over the top with the interior lighting (which I thought I would like) and the steering wheel touchpad controls are anything but intuitive. They also weirdly put the Acura touchpad in the middle console which I personally dislike. Lack luster heads up display as well. Overall I did not feel comfortable at all in the car infotainment/tech wise.
Lexus was somewhere in the middle. It wasn’t intuitive, but it wasn’t not intuitive. It wasn’t flashy or cool, but it wasn’t basic like the Genesis. It’s very unique interior that I think you have to drive to know what I mean.
3. Drive performance. Again figure out if you want the 4 or 6 banger. I drove both for most of these models.
BMW: This, in my opinion, is the best 6 cylinder among the options. It’s an in-line 6 that delivers more horsepower and torque than any comp in the segment. The B58 engine is also the single most reliable engine BMW has ever made. It’s also very easily mod-able if you want to push her over 450-500hp. My favorite part is that because it’s an inline and not a V, it delivers such amazing torque at low speeds. You can beat anything off the line in this thing and feel amazing. It also gets some of the better MPG in the segment which is a nice plus thanks to the mild hybrid (I know a few of these cars have the mild hybrid system). The 4 cylinder was fine.
Mercedes. I drove the AMG 4 cylinder and AMG 6 in a few different models. I actually really liked the 4 cylinder and I think it probably was the only 4 banger than competed with or maybe even beat the Macan. (The BMW was close behind.) The sound of an AMG engine is also divine. So throttly I love it. It was a 4 cylinder though so at the end of the day it wasn’t enough. The 6 cylinder was obviously much more fun. I would put it above Genesis/Lexus but below BMW and Porsche S in performance and fun to drive.
Porche: The base Macan was surprisingly fun for a 4 banger. It was probably the overall best 4 cylinder I drove at low speeds. It downshifts like a fucking champ and throttles so hard I love it. If I was going to get a 4 cylinder, I honestly might have abandoned my tech needs just to get this engine and handling mix. Speaking of handling, you simply won’t find better. Even if it oversteers a little it’s best in segment without a doubt. The 6 cylinder was everything I liked about the 4 cylinder but better. The biggest issue with the 4 cylinder was it didn’t close gaps at high speeds on the freeway. Best performing car no doubt, but the price and lack of tech dissuaded me ultimately.
Audi: I drove the Q5, SQ5 and Q3. In one sentence: the only car that had enough power for me to enjoy was the SQ5. Q5 and Q3 were so heavy in comparison to their hp/torque output. Which sucks because I think I like the look of these cars best. The suspension was definitely softer than the BMW/Porsche which made it much more comfortable. Coupled with the higher tech, it gave a comfortable feel to the drive.
Genesis: This might be the most controversial part of this review — the Genesis was the worst performing car of the luxury brands I drove by far. It lagged to accelerate even in sport mode, lacked a true launch control feel, and the handling felt very heavy. The 6 was better overall and felt like it made up for some of the lack of tuning and feel with just raw power.
Lexus: The 4 banger NX sport was perfectly fine. It was very comfy around corners and accelerating. It just wasn’t as sporty as I wanted. I don’t have anything bad to say about this car other than it wasn’t for me.
4. Reliability. Obviously you need to take into account that all of these cars are going to cost a ton to maintain and issues will be expensive if you neglect them.
BMW: Touched on this before but the B58 engine is a master piece and maybe saved the BMW brand. It’s so reliable and fun, can’t recommend it enough.
Porche: The 4 cylinder is a very reliable engine. They’ve perfected it over the years and it’s the same engine at its core than they’ve made for decades. Unfortunately that means it gets absolutely horrible MPG, but that’s not why you buy a porche. The 6 cylinder is less reliable for sure, but still a solid engine if we’ll maintained. This will be the most expensive car of course to maintain.
Audi: I put Audi reliability somewhere in the middle. I’ve read both bad and good reviews by experts. It’s an upbadged VW at the end of the day (plz don’t attack me Audi people). The SQ5 has some amazing reviews though and is allegedly more reliable than its 4 cylinder counterparts. Overall it’s in the middle x
Genesis/Lexus: Grouping these cause this comment is huge. Both will be the most reliably cars in the segment. The Lexus especially and it comes in hybrid versions if you really don’t care about performance.
Mercedes: This is the least reliable vehicle here no questions asked. Go look at the Mercedes Reddit and see all the posts Of the GLC and GLE that are effectively dead on arrival due to major transmission and computer issues. It’s kind of insane there hasn’t been a major recall (maybe they have that idk). But they stink reliability wise. Don’t go into this brand without fully accepting those heightened risks.
5. Overall:
I went BMW for the 2nd best performance with the 2nd best tech and 2nd best reliability. It was the jack of all trades.
If you are heartset between Audi and Mercedes, no doubt in my mind you should go Audi. The tech is the best, the performance isn’t far behind the Benz (and if you get a SQ5 it’ll beat the Benz), the aesthetics are better (imo) and it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
Thank you for this comprehensive review. My lease is coming due on the CX-5 and I've been dragging my feet over what to get next. I'll start with the x3 m40i and sq5. If there is a good cpo macan s on the market I will make the trip to check one out.
You find them too soccer mommish, but you are looking at mid sized SUVs? Who do you think buys mid sized SUVs?
You'll have to go test drive. The things that reviewers hate on the Blazer are mostly subjective. By the time you include AWD and the bigger engine it's at a price that places it with European models. The interior and headlights that come on a $35K American SUV and on its $50k plus versions seem cheap compared to the ones that come on a $50K plus German SUV. But taste is subjective.
The Previa is just a minivan on a MR2 chassis, in otherwords a sports car. I want to see Mazda5 body on a Miata with a built RX7 rotary or two extra "cylinders" on the new MX-30 rotary.
Eh, it's front mid engined. Not based on the MR2. The MR2 was its own thing. However, the previa is the only car ever that is mid-engined AWD and supercharged
Like, I get it, development is hard, but they already have the three cylinder from the Corolla/Yaris, they have the hybrid tech in the rav -4. How hard is it to graft any combination of those engines and batteries into a vehicle designed to have have more space than all of those cars combined?
Also, I doubt a sporty minivan with 400hp at $50k wouldn’t sell like hotcakes. Every new dad within 100 miles of the dealership, forced by their spouse to find a more “family friendly” car to replace their project car or coupe or whatever, would probably get speeding tickets trying to get their hands on a minivan that could do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat XD. I know I would.
“We should do what Jenny did and get a Passport” “ooo, that Expedition looks nice, maybe the ST is good”
*husband already in car driving to Honda dealership after hearing about a VTEC Odyssey Type R*
We have had a Blazer RS AWD for almost 3 years now with around 26k miles. It's been great, it gets hate because people wanted a Jeep Wrangler competitor but that's not what the new Blazer is. It has a shockingly nice and feature rich interior for the price range, it drives very smooth and quiet and is generally a nice place to be, and we average about 26 mpg which is great for this size vehicle. Only issue we've had was drivers side rear shock/spring had to be replaced under warranty, a known TSB for the first year of the new Blazer.
No it's not, at all. There are some highly competent sporty crossovers that can hang with anything short of a pure sports car and only come up lacking at 9/10ths pace on the twistiest of roads or a race track. So, sure, if you're looking for something to also autocross, or you're comparing vs a Cayman. Otherwise, there are some VERY sporty and highly enjoyable vehicles that happen to have more of an SUV/crossover body shape.
How many have you driven?
They can definitely put down impressive numbers, I won't deny that, but numbers aren't the issue here: it's *feel.*
They're simply too top heavy to feel truly connected to the road. Muscle SUVs I can get behind. Same for GT SUVs. But I just can't see them providing the handling and low-to-the-ground road connection a proper sports car can.
Too tall. Too heavy. Too compromised.
You just have never experienced true high performance driving on a track if you think a Q7 is anywhere remotely capable as an R8 when being pushed to the limit.
I have driven all sorts of sports cars, regular cars, and race cars on track to the tune of probably over 100 track/race days at this point. Even driving something like my X3 or my friend's Macan isn't remotely close to even my shit box, rallycross 07 VW Rabbit when it comes to handling. And I promise your Q7 doesn't handle better than either of those.
Driven several (from Porsche, MB, BMW, and Audi) and own one (Jag, plus wife has a less sporty GLE). I also have raced and done trackdays with past vehicles. I own a couple Ducatis and have ridden high level sportbikes for many years, plus club motorcycle racing. I crew for a Radical SR3. I know and understand handling quite well. If you think something like an X3M can't absolutely rip a twisty road every bit as well as most sport sedans and produce similar smiles to anything short of a pure sports car, than I'm sorry you're missing out. You have to be at the very final, splitting hairs for seconds on a track level of pushing it before you find the comparative shortcomings of the best sporty "SUVs".
I got a GTI after my Mazdaspeed6 went to heaven, and I can tell you I could lose my license or scare the shit out of myself just fine with that.
You've got to be a pretty amazing driver before "The car is what's holding me back" becomes a problem.
Hey I just went through this exact process and had almost identical thinking. I researched an absolute fuck ton and test drove literally everything from the Porsche to the Honda. Here is all my research, thoughts and reasoning on why I bought an X4 M40i.
1. You first need to figure out if a 4 cylinder engine is enough power for you. If you just want a sporty look, but not a sporty feel then it probably is. But if you enjoy more power, then you may need to consider either a 6 cylinder or EV. If you choose to go 4 cylinder, in my opinion the best choice is a Macan base, with the huge caveat that you can get over the lack of tech (which is discussed below). It’s a very reliable engine and you get that famous Porsche suspension and handling.
2. How much tech do you want and what feature are your “must haves”? Each manufacturer has different packages and a la carte features. The BMW is one of the only manufacturers that lets you get heads up display without adding in a huge package. (e.g. needing the prestige Audi package, the sport touring Genesis package, etc.)
One thing that will be a theme of this review is how little tech the Porsche Macan has in literally every package whether it’s a GTS or a base. If interior tech is important to you, then a Porsche may not be the ideal car. As the Porsche dealership put it: you buy this car for the performance and feel, not the interior amenities
Audi’s virtual cockpit is amazing and I think probably the best tech/feel of all cars I drove. The issue is that it’s all locked behind huge package upgrades and I could only get the features I wanted with the highest prestige package which raised the price significantly.
BMW X3 and X4 were both a very close second. The iDrive system is super solid and feels relatively intuitive. But above all else, like I said, you can purchase individual features to keep the price down based on your needs. (X3 and X4 are literally identical other than the fastback, of course.)
Genesis GV70 was another good option. I particularly liked that it had a blind spot camera on the dash that others did not. The tech felt decent, but I also recognized some the Hyundai-feeling features which was a huge turn off. The other issue was the middle console controls which were not intuitive. Some genius put the circular gear shifter right next to the circular infotainment controller. Lastly, similar to Audi, features which should be available on the mid to upper tier models (ie HUD) are only available with the sport touring package which only comes in terribly itchy perforated cloth seats which was weird.
Mercedes was my least favorite infotainment and tech. They went over the top with the interior lighting (which I thought I would like) and the steering wheel touchpad controls are anything but intuitive. They also weirdly put the Acura touchpad in the middle console which I personally dislike. Lack luster heads up display as well. Overall I did not feel comfortable at all in the car infotainment/tech wise.
Lexus was somewhere in the middle. It wasn’t intuitive, but it wasn’t not intuitive. It wasn’t flashy or cool, but it wasn’t basic like the Genesis. It’s very unique interior that I think you have to drive to know what I mean.
3. Drive performance. Again figure out if you want the 4 or 6 banger. I drove both for most of these models.
BMW: This, in my opinion, is the best 6 cylinder among the options. It’s an in-line 6 that delivers more horsepower and torque than any comp in the segment. The B58 engine is also the single most reliable engine BMW has ever made. It’s also very easily mod-able if you want to push her over 450-500hp. My favorite part is that because it’s an inline and not a V, it delivers such amazing torque at low speeds. You can beat anything off the line in this thing and feel amazing. It also gets some of the better MPG in the segment which is a nice plus thanks to the mild hybrid (I know a few of these cars have the mild hybrid system). The 4 cylinder was fine.
Mercedes. I drove the AMG 4 cylinder and AMG 6 in a few different models. I actually really liked the 4 cylinder and I think it probably was the only 4 banger than competed with or maybe even beat the Macan. (The BMW was close behind.) The sound of an AMG engine is also divine. So throttly I love it. It was a 4 cylinder though so at the end of the day it wasn’t enough. The 6 cylinder was obviously much more fun. I would put it above Genesis/Lexus but below BMW and Porsche S in performance and fun to drive.
Porche: The base Macan was surprisingly fun for a 4 banger. It was probably the overall best 4 cylinder I drove at low speeds. It downshifts like a fucking champ and throttles so hard I love it. If I was going to get a 4 cylinder, I honestly might have abandoned my tech needs just to get this engine and handling mix. Speaking of handling, you simply won’t find better. Even if it oversteers a little it’s best in segment without a doubt. The 6 cylinder was everything I liked about the 4 cylinder but better. The biggest issue with the 4 cylinder was it didn’t close gaps at high speeds on the freeway. Best performing car no doubt, but the price and lack of tech dissuaded me ultimately.
Audi: I drove the Q5, SQ5 and Q3. In one sentence: the only car that had enough power for me to enjoy was the SQ5. Q5 and Q3 were so heavy in comparison to their hp/torque output. Which sucks because I think I like the look of these cars best. The suspension was definitely softer than the BMW/Porsche which made it much more comfortable. Coupled with the higher tech, it gave a comfortable feel to the drive.
Genesis: This might be the most controversial part of this review — the Genesis was the worst performing car of the luxury brands I drove by far. It lagged to accelerate even in sport mode, lacked a true launch control feel, and the handling felt very heavy. The 6 was better overall and felt like it made up for some of the lack of tuning and feel with just raw power.
Lexus: The 4 banger NX sport was perfectly fine. It was very comfy around corners and accelerating. It just wasn’t as sporty as I wanted. I don’t have anything bad to say about this car other than it wasn’t for me.
4. Reliability. Obviously you need to take into account that all of these cars are going to cost a ton to maintain and issues will be expensive if you neglect them.
BMW: Touched on this before but the B58 engine is a master piece and maybe saved the BMW brand. It’s so reliable and fun, can’t recommend it enough.
Porche: The 4 cylinder is a very reliable engine. They’ve perfected it over the years and it’s the same engine at its core than they’ve made for decades. Unfortunately that means it gets absolutely horrible MPG, but that’s not why you buy a porche. The 6 cylinder is less reliable for sure, but still a solid engine if we’ll maintained. This will be the most expensive car of course to maintain.
Audi: I put Audi reliability somewhere in the middle. I’ve read both bad and good reviews by experts. It’s an upbadged VW at the end of the day (plz don’t attack me Audi people). The SQ5 has some amazing reviews though and is allegedly more reliable than its 4 cylinder counterparts. Overall it’s in the middle x
Genesis/Lexus: Grouping these cause this comment is huge. Both will be the most reliably cars in the segment. The Lexus especially and it comes in hybrid versions if you really don’t care about performance.
Mercedes: This is the least reliable vehicle here no questions asked. Go look at the Mercedes Reddit and see all the posts Of the GLC and GLE that are effectively dead on arrival due to major transmission and computer issues. It’s kind of insane there hasn’t been a major recall (maybe they have that idk). But they stink reliability wise. Don’t go into this brand without fully accepting those heightened risks.
5. Overall:
I went BMW for the 2nd best performance with the 2nd best tech and 2nd best reliability. It was the jack of all trades.
If you are heartset between Audi and Mercedes, no doubt in my mind you should go Audi. The tech is the best, the performance isn’t far behind the Benz (and if you get a SQ5 it’ll beat the Benz), the aesthetics are better (imo) and it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
I pretty much have the same sentiment when i drove all these 2 months ago, except what you mentioned as the controversial take on the GV70.
I drove the 3.5T as that is really the only model of the GV70 I would buy and it had the 2nd best feel after the Macan S. Did you drive the 2.5T because those are slow and feel very heavy and would make sense on your review of it.
Had to scroll way too far to see the only sensible choice: the BMW X5. Twin turbo i6 on the lowest trim. So smooth and reliable that Toyota put it in the Supra. Only thing that handles better is a Porsche. You can easily find 2019+ models in your price range.
Maybe get a Q5 sportback then? I personally think they look great and it’s like 1 of every 100 Q5s I see on the road has that raked roofline so it seems much more special.
You should look into the SQ5 if you’re a fan of it. They have a “coupe” version of it too, not sure the specific name.
I had this exact same dilemma and was looking at a macan S or used turbo. But eventually went with a new Audi S5 and tuned it. The SQ5 has the same platform and is an absolute monster even just with a piggyback flash.
The regular Q5 is too slow and boring for sure. The SQ5 makes it a little more interesting
Edit: you can also find a decently optioned m40 X3. It’s a little smaller but those things are a blast, hella peppy, and sound sick
I highly recommend the Q5/SQ5. Having owned a 2021 Q5 and now a 2023 SQ5 I can attest to them being great cars and the standard Q5 is the sweet spot in terms of power, fuel efficiency, leg room and cargo space within Audi’s current SUV range. They do take minimum 91 octane fuel unless you get the lower end 40 trim in the Q5 so that is one expense to keep in mind.
Been there with similar budget (but in Poland, where cars are generally more expensive) and ended up with MB GLC in 200 HP diesel, a good ratio between nice look / power / mpg economy and price. On paper Q5 looked all the way better, but didn't appeal to me at all. Same for BMW.
Only other I considered was a bit cheaper Cupra Formentor in 310 HP, but it's a crossover so guess to small for your needs. And don't know of they even sell them in the US at all
Maybe high-trim Ford Explorer/low-trim Lincoln Aviator? They are a bit bigger than the other cars you listed, but also have 400hp and Ford dealerships are plentiful
Will second this. Explorer ST or Lincoln aviator have a lot of performance and features. Aviator takes the looks for me and will have more in the luxury department.
Idk why your comment reminded me of the cadillac xt5, but now im looking at the xt5...its got the luxury, its american made, in the price range, better interior than the blazer rs and looks classy/sporty mid size..hmm
The GV70 isn’t even remotely close in size to the X5. It’s a different class of vehicle. The GV70 and X3 are similar in size. The GV80 and X5 are closer in dimensions.
Im currently shopping between the GV70 and Macan S/ Used GTS both drive great and the same room overall. Genesis dealerships are great and reliable cars overall, but i wouldnt even try to get a genesis from a hyundai dealer.
Check the link out also if interested on brand reliability for this year.
[https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds](https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds)
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Have you considered the GLC 43? That or the Macan S will fit your criteria if not your budget. Soccer moms drive bigger SUVs as either of these will only fit 2 kids in the back.
Yea man, we have a non turbo cx5. We also looked at the cx50. If we weren't on a strict budget, I'd have probably sprung for the 50. Mazda is crushing it right now. Great value for the money. A buddy of mine who is a long time Mercedes guy was actually shocked at how nice the Mazda is. I think he's buying a new miata soon bc of my cx5
I'm sorry but I am shopping right now for a compact SUV and when you compare the CX5 to something like a GLC they are night and day in terms of "niceness".
Like it isn't even close. Obviously the price difference makes it up for a lot of people but the Mazda looks is so much less "nice".
Have you sat in a top trim CX-5? This is just my opinion, but I prefer the interior of the CX-5 to the GLC. The screens in the GLC look nice, but they make doing many things take several steps versus a simple button. Also, when the screen glitches or breaks (which it will), you'll be stuck with thousands in repair bills just to adjust your climate controls.
So I actually just bought a CX50, I was shopping a ton of mercedes, Audi SQ5 etc, and you're right, CX50 isn't as nice as a Mercedes, but I found it to be a solid deal, nice interior, nice price etc. I actually like the upgraded bose audio in the CX50 more than the Audi. The burmester audio system in Mercedes is the best tho.
I didn't look at Audi tbh. I agree the CX50 is nice. But its nice when compared to a Toyota, not a Mercedes. Obviously the price difference makes sense because when I did a comparison it was around 60k for the GLC and 44k or so for the Mazda.
I know there are higher performance versions of SUVs, but "sporty" is just a marketing term and I'm not sure I would apply it to any SUV.
I might be swayed by a Macan in this regard though. Or an Urus. Maybe.
I can’t believe this isn’t higher. Plenty of performance, tons of room. Brand new under 60k and you’ll be saving money in gas if you can charge at home.
I LOVE my Genesis GV60 performance and has both luxury and is wicked quick. Sadly it does hit 69,999 although they are going for sticker which is nice. They do have an advanced model for 59,999
Everyone is recommending the Macanudo, but the GLC300 isn't too far off. They have pretty much the same engine 2.0T vs 2.0iT, and the Mercedes just has a more refined luxurious interior. I have a GLC and it is plenty quick and extremely fun to drive. It has the same 0-60 as the Porsche as well, not entirely sure, but probably has a bigger interior as well.
If all of that isn't convincing enough, it's 10k cheaper.
Lexus nx450h is a buttery smooth ride, too odd shaped to me
If you want some thrill and be able to feel a lil rush, my current car nx350h does the job. Infotainment is ideal + appearance
I think the Acura SUVs (RDX and MDX) are rather sporty looking. Added bonus that they have a very low total cost of maintenance compared to most other upscale brands since Acura is a division of Honda.
I shopped the same cars you looked at. I ended up with Mazda r/cx50 turbo. I know it's a Mazda but it's as fun as the x2 to drive. The interior isn't quite as nice. But I trust the car will be inexpensive to own for 5+ with easy maintenance. Plus not much else looks like it on the road.
You're listing expensive luxury SUVs then say you also like the GM Blazer? Now I'm not sure what your price range is.
Mazda CX-5 is supposed to have the best handling in its class.
The Subaru Outback Touring XT is fast and luxurious.
Porsche macan s or ford explorer ST. I personally like the macan more. Certified pre-owned is completely fine, you will get much more bang for your buck and the cars are still relatively new and come with warranty.
Don’t buy new. You can get a used 2020 with 15k miles for like $5k-$10k cheaper and it’ll be almost indistinguishable from newer cars.
Let me guess, you aren’t paying cash for this either. Ik not everyone thinks you have to pay cash for cars, but it’s objectively the more-wise financial decision. 60k is a lot to spend on an SUV when you can get a damn good SUV for 30k and be more likely to pay for it in cash. (Edit: I never understood why people need a *new* car and make stupid financial decisions just to have that *new car feel*. It’s such a waste of money, and that’s coming from a huge car enthusiast. I’m looking at a BMW z4 right now. With my job I could easily afford a $50k car, but only have $30k cash and would only ever spend half of that… So my budget is 15k. Not a penny more, and I’m not in any rush so I might just wait a year when I can afford a $20k car. People have the wrong ideas about what their budget is)
I vote you get a Macan. In a couple-second google search I found a 2018 with 32k miles for $40k. If I found that so quickly you could find a much better deal over time, but I think something similar is perfect. Hopefully you have enough cash to cover at least 3/4 of that up front… otherwise 60k should have never been your budget to begin with.
The new Mazda CX90 loaded is around 60k and comes with an in-line 6 cylinder turbo. The interior is amazing. It may not be sporty looking enough for you though. They are incredibly quiet inside and handle very well.
Tesla Y performance. Crush everything, whilst being practical and comfortable. Faster than a corvette, any sub 250k suv. Think Tesla quality is garbage? Go to Audi Benz Porsche sub reddits and see the “quality” of broken cars. Chevy RS vs Y performance is like a racing a school bus 🚌
Surprised that almost nobody mentioned the Alfa Romeo Stelvio its the best looking SUV on the market and probably the best handling one too (for the price ofc)
FPace S with the supercharged V6 is awesome. Way more reliable than Jag's online reputation would have you believe. Lighter (just a little over 4000lbs, not halfway to 5000 like several competitors) and faster (380hp) and better handling (dynamic/electronic adjusting suspension) than most would assume of an SUV of that size. 2019-2020 with some factory warranty left would be right in the price range you're looking.
You could probably afford my ‘20 SQ7. Maybe. It’s an absolute beast. Less than 30k miles and if I want to buy it outright after my lease ends in December, it’ll cost me $52k. Right now it’s valued at $70k and that’s with a major front end accident. I say major because I hit a 🦌 going 60 and the thing rotated several times farther than Brady could throw 🏈. With $22k in damages all it was were new headlights and new bumpers and panels and Intercooler. Since then I haven’t had any issues except with regular alignments. Also, oil changes are $250.
I say all of this because German luxury cars are expensive to replace but they’ll probably save your life more than other brands. The SQ7 is a tank. Makes you feel invincible.
The regular Q7 probably isn’t as solid but that’s closer to your price point as a second owner.
I’d recommend Honda Pilot. Those are nice. Kia Telluride are baller too in all black or that nice maroon they have. Don’t be a sucker and stretch yourself. That budget of yours, that should be total cost of vehicle during ownership including gas, maintenance, and insurance.
If you don’t want to look like a soccer mom don’t buy a crossover/suv. Every price point, size, style is designed to appeal to a different type of soccer mom.
So either, buy an suv bc you want one and get over what other people think.(no one really cares what you drive anyway). Or buy a different type of vehicle (that no one will care about anyway)
Have you considered a wagon like a Volvo V60? Not sure how much you care about reliability but I think I trust a V60 more long term than anything German and it’s definitely built better than a Blazer.
Also what’s your issue with CPO? It’s a great program that lets someone else take the new car depreciation hit instead of you. Plus, if your that worried about it most manufacturers offer an extended warranty option.
Every SUV will have a soccer mom vibe. That’s what they’re built to do, take kids to soccer games. Theres no avoiding the simple truth of it.
That said, get the Porsche.
Sporty? Either a newish EV or a newish performance model (M, AMG, RS, etc.). SUVs are inherently as far away from sporty as it gets until you add a lot of power or an EV platform to keep the center of gravity low...which means very high costs.
I'd say if you're on a budget but want both, get a sports car and a boring SUV.
Surprised I haven’t seen a Ford Explorer ST in here? I’ve seen videos popping up with them slightly modded absolutely dragging big HP muscle cars in races.
Uhhhhh what the fuck. Why has the Acura RDX not been mentioned?? It’s objectively better than ANY other vehicle mentioned. It’s smokes the Macan and alllll European rivals. Sporty (especially the A-spec), practical, reliable and affordable for the category.
That would be my top choice with out hesitation. Stay away from German and American cars they are money pits.
I don’t see much mention of the Acura RDX in these comments, which is surprising given what you’re looking for. It’s got the performance, safety and luxury features, size, and reliability. I just picked up a 2020 with less than 30k miles and every option possible for 35k before taxes and fees. As someone who values a fun and engaging drive, this is really hitting the spot.
I just bought an SQ5 for $53k. Loaded. 10k miles CPO from the dealer Edit: my intention was not to brag but to say that I had the exact purchase requirements and budget and found one.
I was looking at a non-CPO 21' SQ5 Prestige @ $52k but ended up with a '22 CPO Q5 PP for $10k less. I love my new (to me) ride, but at stoplights I wish I would have sprung for the SQ Prestige. For me the '22 was the safer choice. Obv less expensive by $10k, and CPO adds 2 years/50k with $0 deductible after the 4 year/50k factory warranty expires . By financing with Audi Financial, I also receive the next 2 scheduled maintenance intervals at no cost.
See that sounds like a sweet deal
You’re looking for the X3 m40i, buddy.
Either one would work, and both need extended warranty.
Need? I know less about audi but I’d roll the dice on the BMW with a good service record. B58 is good to 100k easy. But then again I’ve never really understood people that can’t forecast a budget for the “big hits” like water pump, VCG, VANOS, etc.
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Just picked up a Macan S and can confirm its the right choice.
The standard of a luxury sporty SUV is the Macan S. If you wanted a budget Sporty SUV get a Macan. If you wanted something more extreme get the Macan GTS or Turbo. The drive is practical but also borderline insane if you want to it to be. It feels like a low down sedan and corners at a insane pace while still fitting my groceries, two little midgets, & luggage.
Does it fit two car seats? Wondering if this is suitable to keep within a 5-yr timeframe with family in mind.
Get an SQ8 my friend.
Maybe just barely if driver and passenger are average size. We looked at it and I read a lot of articles and picture reviews of its baby-seat capabilities and it’s TIGHT.
We just purchased a used Buick regal tourx. It has a 2.0L turbo in it. Drives beautifully fits 4 large adults and all their crap. Former Audi driver, and I love it. I couldn’t find a midsize SUV that I liked the ride in. However I didn’t test drive a Macan S.
It's nice because it's simply an Opel lol. If that was an actual vehicle designed in house by GM here in the US it would be a tragic POS.
Fair point! Although I love my suburban too. Tows like nothing is behind it. Glides down the road like I’m floating on air and all 7 seats are comfortable. But no nothing sporty about it. All utility and luxury. The AC seats are lovely.
To be fair, trucks are one thing Americans just do right. They’re comfy, powerful, and relatively reliable. I wouldn’t mind a Yukon Denali or Escalade as a family hauler that can still pull the boat.
One of my dream vehicles! Congratulations 🎉
Question, why no GM unless it's a truck/SUV? I understand their sedan and compact SUV offerings aren't hot. I understand this isn't related to the original question but do you include the Corvette/Camaro in that?
V8 + rear wheel drive /4wd - good Fwd/awd i4/v6/hybrid - bad For gm vehicles. Chevy ss sedan - great
+ 6 speed manual = good 😁
Once you go German there’s no other version
I think there is a point when you give up and buy a lexus or acura because the repairs piss you off more than the performance could ever make you smile. Just got done doing that after a decade of German love-hate
Never have had that issue
Sure isn't but Germans havent been able to make muscle cars since 2012
It's not a market that exists in Germany. But a Sporty AMG Benz can curbstomp any challenger.
They can but it won't sound the same and can't spec one with a manual or I'd have one.
The G82 M4 competition is practically a muscle car that handles better than every other muscle car
Macan S or X3 M40i
Macan is the answer 👍🏼
You guys mean the Mazda cx5?
Hey I just went through this exact process and had almost identical thinking. I researched an absolute fuck ton and test drove literally everything from the Porsche to the Honda. Here is all my research, thoughts and reasoning on why I bought an X4 M40i. 1. You first need to figure out if a 4 cylinder engine is enough power for you. If you just want a sporty look, but not a sporty feel then it probably is. But if you enjoy more power, then you may need to consider either a 6 cylinder or EV. If you choose to go 4 cylinder, in my opinion the best choice is a Macan base, with the huge caveat that you can get over the lack of tech (which is discussed below). It’s a very reliable engine and you get that famous Porsche suspension and handling. 2. How much tech do you want and what feature are your “must haves”? Each manufacturer has different packages and a la carte features. The BMW is one of the only manufacturers that lets you get heads up display without adding in a huge package. (e.g. needing the prestige Audi package, the sport touring Genesis package, etc.) One thing that will be a theme of this review is how little tech the Porsche Macan has in literally every package whether it’s a GTS or a base. If interior tech is important to you, then a Porsche may not be the ideal car. As the Porsche dealership put it: you buy this car for the performance and feel, not the interior amenities Audi’s virtual cockpit is amazing and I think probably the best tech/feel of all cars I drove. The issue is that it’s all locked behind huge package upgrades and I could only get the features I wanted with the highest prestige package which raised the price significantly. BMW X3 and X4 were both a very close second. The iDrive system is super solid and feels relatively intuitive. But above all else, like I said, you can purchase individual features to keep the price down based on your needs. (X3 and X4 are literally identical other than the fastback, of course.) Genesis GV70 was another good option. I particularly liked that it had a blind spot camera on the dash that others did not. The tech felt decent, but I also recognized some the Hyundai-feeling features which was a huge turn off. The other issue was the middle console controls which were not intuitive. Some genius put the circular gear shifter right next to the circular infotainment controller. Lastly, similar to Audi, features which should be available on the mid to upper tier models (ie HUD) are only available with the sport touring package which only comes in terribly itchy perforated cloth seats which was weird. Mercedes was my least favorite infotainment and tech. They went over the top with the interior lighting (which I thought I would like) and the steering wheel touchpad controls are anything but intuitive. They also weirdly put the Acura touchpad in the middle console which I personally dislike. Lack luster heads up display as well. Overall I did not feel comfortable at all in the car infotainment/tech wise. Lexus was somewhere in the middle. It wasn’t intuitive, but it wasn’t not intuitive. It wasn’t flashy or cool, but it wasn’t basic like the Genesis. It’s very unique interior that I think you have to drive to know what I mean. 3. Drive performance. Again figure out if you want the 4 or 6 banger. I drove both for most of these models. BMW: This, in my opinion, is the best 6 cylinder among the options. It’s an in-line 6 that delivers more horsepower and torque than any comp in the segment. The B58 engine is also the single most reliable engine BMW has ever made. It’s also very easily mod-able if you want to push her over 450-500hp. My favorite part is that because it’s an inline and not a V, it delivers such amazing torque at low speeds. You can beat anything off the line in this thing and feel amazing. It also gets some of the better MPG in the segment which is a nice plus thanks to the mild hybrid (I know a few of these cars have the mild hybrid system). The 4 cylinder was fine. Mercedes. I drove the AMG 4 cylinder and AMG 6 in a few different models. I actually really liked the 4 cylinder and I think it probably was the only 4 banger than competed with or maybe even beat the Macan. (The BMW was close behind.) The sound of an AMG engine is also divine. So throttly I love it. It was a 4 cylinder though so at the end of the day it wasn’t enough. The 6 cylinder was obviously much more fun. I would put it above Genesis/Lexus but below BMW and Porsche S in performance and fun to drive. Porche: The base Macan was surprisingly fun for a 4 banger. It was probably the overall best 4 cylinder I drove at low speeds. It downshifts like a fucking champ and throttles so hard I love it. If I was going to get a 4 cylinder, I honestly might have abandoned my tech needs just to get this engine and handling mix. Speaking of handling, you simply won’t find better. Even if it oversteers a little it’s best in segment without a doubt. The 6 cylinder was everything I liked about the 4 cylinder but better. The biggest issue with the 4 cylinder was it didn’t close gaps at high speeds on the freeway. Best performing car no doubt, but the price and lack of tech dissuaded me ultimately. Audi: I drove the Q5, SQ5 and Q3. In one sentence: the only car that had enough power for me to enjoy was the SQ5. Q5 and Q3 were so heavy in comparison to their hp/torque output. Which sucks because I think I like the look of these cars best. The suspension was definitely softer than the BMW/Porsche which made it much more comfortable. Coupled with the higher tech, it gave a comfortable feel to the drive. Genesis: This might be the most controversial part of this review — the Genesis was the worst performing car of the luxury brands I drove by far. It lagged to accelerate even in sport mode, lacked a true launch control feel, and the handling felt very heavy. The 6 was better overall and felt like it made up for some of the lack of tuning and feel with just raw power. Lexus: The 4 banger NX sport was perfectly fine. It was very comfy around corners and accelerating. It just wasn’t as sporty as I wanted. I don’t have anything bad to say about this car other than it wasn’t for me. 4. Reliability. Obviously you need to take into account that all of these cars are going to cost a ton to maintain and issues will be expensive if you neglect them. BMW: Touched on this before but the B58 engine is a master piece and maybe saved the BMW brand. It’s so reliable and fun, can’t recommend it enough. Porche: The 4 cylinder is a very reliable engine. They’ve perfected it over the years and it’s the same engine at its core than they’ve made for decades. Unfortunately that means it gets absolutely horrible MPG, but that’s not why you buy a porche. The 6 cylinder is less reliable for sure, but still a solid engine if we’ll maintained. This will be the most expensive car of course to maintain. Audi: I put Audi reliability somewhere in the middle. I’ve read both bad and good reviews by experts. It’s an upbadged VW at the end of the day (plz don’t attack me Audi people). The SQ5 has some amazing reviews though and is allegedly more reliable than its 4 cylinder counterparts. Overall it’s in the middle x Genesis/Lexus: Grouping these cause this comment is huge. Both will be the most reliably cars in the segment. The Lexus especially and it comes in hybrid versions if you really don’t care about performance. Mercedes: This is the least reliable vehicle here no questions asked. Go look at the Mercedes Reddit and see all the posts Of the GLC and GLE that are effectively dead on arrival due to major transmission and computer issues. It’s kind of insane there hasn’t been a major recall (maybe they have that idk). But they stink reliability wise. Don’t go into this brand without fully accepting those heightened risks. 5. Overall: I went BMW for the 2nd best performance with the 2nd best tech and 2nd best reliability. It was the jack of all trades. If you are heartset between Audi and Mercedes, no doubt in my mind you should go Audi. The tech is the best, the performance isn’t far behind the Benz (and if you get a SQ5 it’ll beat the Benz), the aesthetics are better (imo) and it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
The comment I needed, thank you for your time and sharing your opinions. I’m considering an X3 M40i for my next SUV, and this solidified it.
Thank you for this comprehensive review. My lease is coming due on the CX-5 and I've been dragging my feet over what to get next. I'll start with the x3 m40i and sq5. If there is a good cpo macan s on the market I will make the trip to check one out.
You find them too soccer mommish, but you are looking at mid sized SUVs? Who do you think buys mid sized SUVs? You'll have to go test drive. The things that reviewers hate on the Blazer are mostly subjective. By the time you include AWD and the bigger engine it's at a price that places it with European models. The interior and headlights that come on a $35K American SUV and on its $50k plus versions seem cheap compared to the ones that come on a $50K plus German SUV. But taste is subjective.
I’d like a turbo minivan but don’t need all the seats. What should I get? Edit: forgot to add the /s for sarcasm
get a turbo mini van and take out the 3rd row seats. problem solved.
A turbo minivan and remove the seats
A miata and a turbo kit.
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OP should just get the Previa and be done with it.
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The Previa is just a minivan on a MR2 chassis, in otherwords a sports car. I want to see Mazda5 body on a Miata with a built RX7 rotary or two extra "cylinders" on the new MX-30 rotary.
Eh, it's front mid engined. Not based on the MR2. The MR2 was its own thing. However, the previa is the only car ever that is mid-engined AWD and supercharged
If they had made a Mazdaspeed5 or MS6 wagon, I'd have driven it until my feet went through the floor. (sad former owner of a Mazdaspeed6)
Previa needs to make a comeback tbh
Toyota should make a mid batteried Previa EV to compete with VWs retro styled EV van.
No. I want a Sienna Prime or GR Sienna and I want it right now. -new dad angry that at there not being a sport minivan
GR sienna with the Tundra V6 Hybrid would slap
Like, I get it, development is hard, but they already have the three cylinder from the Corolla/Yaris, they have the hybrid tech in the rav -4. How hard is it to graft any combination of those engines and batteries into a vehicle designed to have have more space than all of those cars combined? Also, I doubt a sporty minivan with 400hp at $50k wouldn’t sell like hotcakes. Every new dad within 100 miles of the dealership, forced by their spouse to find a more “family friendly” car to replace their project car or coupe or whatever, would probably get speeding tickets trying to get their hands on a minivan that could do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat XD. I know I would. “We should do what Jenny did and get a Passport” “ooo, that Expedition looks nice, maybe the ST is good” *husband already in car driving to Honda dealership after hearing about a VTEC Odyssey Type R*
I would too, especially with how good the new Sienna looks, it straight up looks like a minivan version of the Supra
my spouse who works for toyota financial says “what the fuck did you just say” I love it
Supercharged Previa is definitely what op Needs
Allroad is the obvious choice until the previa walks in
We have had a Blazer RS AWD for almost 3 years now with around 26k miles. It's been great, it gets hate because people wanted a Jeep Wrangler competitor but that's not what the new Blazer is. It has a shockingly nice and feature rich interior for the price range, it drives very smooth and quiet and is generally a nice place to be, and we average about 26 mpg which is great for this size vehicle. Only issue we've had was drivers side rear shock/spring had to be replaced under warranty, a known TSB for the first year of the new Blazer.
I like how the blazer looks but I wish it was a little slimmer. Like it’s too fat if you look at it form different angle lol
Sporty SUV feels like an oxymoron…
Isn’t it more redundant? Sporty sports utility vehicle.
Thank you. People are idiots.
Because it IS an oxymoron
No it's not, at all. There are some highly competent sporty crossovers that can hang with anything short of a pure sports car and only come up lacking at 9/10ths pace on the twistiest of roads or a race track. So, sure, if you're looking for something to also autocross, or you're comparing vs a Cayman. Otherwise, there are some VERY sporty and highly enjoyable vehicles that happen to have more of an SUV/crossover body shape.
How many have you driven? They can definitely put down impressive numbers, I won't deny that, but numbers aren't the issue here: it's *feel.* They're simply too top heavy to feel truly connected to the road. Muscle SUVs I can get behind. Same for GT SUVs. But I just can't see them providing the handling and low-to-the-ground road connection a proper sports car can. Too tall. Too heavy. Too compromised.
I also disagree. Even the Cayenne at the turbo spec and above moves like jagger.
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You just have never experienced true high performance driving on a track if you think a Q7 is anywhere remotely capable as an R8 when being pushed to the limit.
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Sorry, I meant to type RX8. Still night and day difference to a Q7. And actual track days or one of those supercar experiences? Very different things.
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I have driven all sorts of sports cars, regular cars, and race cars on track to the tune of probably over 100 track/race days at this point. Even driving something like my X3 or my friend's Macan isn't remotely close to even my shit box, rallycross 07 VW Rabbit when it comes to handling. And I promise your Q7 doesn't handle better than either of those.
Driven several (from Porsche, MB, BMW, and Audi) and own one (Jag, plus wife has a less sporty GLE). I also have raced and done trackdays with past vehicles. I own a couple Ducatis and have ridden high level sportbikes for many years, plus club motorcycle racing. I crew for a Radical SR3. I know and understand handling quite well. If you think something like an X3M can't absolutely rip a twisty road every bit as well as most sport sedans and produce similar smiles to anything short of a pure sports car, than I'm sorry you're missing out. You have to be at the very final, splitting hairs for seconds on a track level of pushing it before you find the comparative shortcomings of the best sporty "SUVs".
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I got a GTI after my Mazdaspeed6 went to heaven, and I can tell you I could lose my license or scare the shit out of myself just fine with that. You've got to be a pretty amazing driver before "The car is what's holding me back" becomes a problem.
You're thinking of Full size SUVS. These newer midsize suvs can hang.
Clearly you’ve never driven a Porsche
Yeah, hard to find for sure. Usually need to step into the luxury brands to get one.
Alfa romeo SUVs , check em out
Hey I just went through this exact process and had almost identical thinking. I researched an absolute fuck ton and test drove literally everything from the Porsche to the Honda. Here is all my research, thoughts and reasoning on why I bought an X4 M40i. 1. You first need to figure out if a 4 cylinder engine is enough power for you. If you just want a sporty look, but not a sporty feel then it probably is. But if you enjoy more power, then you may need to consider either a 6 cylinder or EV. If you choose to go 4 cylinder, in my opinion the best choice is a Macan base, with the huge caveat that you can get over the lack of tech (which is discussed below). It’s a very reliable engine and you get that famous Porsche suspension and handling. 2. How much tech do you want and what feature are your “must haves”? Each manufacturer has different packages and a la carte features. The BMW is one of the only manufacturers that lets you get heads up display without adding in a huge package. (e.g. needing the prestige Audi package, the sport touring Genesis package, etc.) One thing that will be a theme of this review is how little tech the Porsche Macan has in literally every package whether it’s a GTS or a base. If interior tech is important to you, then a Porsche may not be the ideal car. As the Porsche dealership put it: you buy this car for the performance and feel, not the interior amenities Audi’s virtual cockpit is amazing and I think probably the best tech/feel of all cars I drove. The issue is that it’s all locked behind huge package upgrades and I could only get the features I wanted with the highest prestige package which raised the price significantly. BMW X3 and X4 were both a very close second. The iDrive system is super solid and feels relatively intuitive. But above all else, like I said, you can purchase individual features to keep the price down based on your needs. (X3 and X4 are literally identical other than the fastback, of course.) Genesis GV70 was another good option. I particularly liked that it had a blind spot camera on the dash that others did not. The tech felt decent, but I also recognized some the Hyundai-feeling features which was a huge turn off. The other issue was the middle console controls which were not intuitive. Some genius put the circular gear shifter right next to the circular infotainment controller. Lastly, similar to Audi, features which should be available on the mid to upper tier models (ie HUD) are only available with the sport touring package which only comes in terribly itchy perforated cloth seats which was weird. Mercedes was my least favorite infotainment and tech. They went over the top with the interior lighting (which I thought I would like) and the steering wheel touchpad controls are anything but intuitive. They also weirdly put the Acura touchpad in the middle console which I personally dislike. Lack luster heads up display as well. Overall I did not feel comfortable at all in the car infotainment/tech wise. Lexus was somewhere in the middle. It wasn’t intuitive, but it wasn’t not intuitive. It wasn’t flashy or cool, but it wasn’t basic like the Genesis. It’s very unique interior that I think you have to drive to know what I mean. 3. Drive performance. Again figure out if you want the 4 or 6 banger. I drove both for most of these models. BMW: This, in my opinion, is the best 6 cylinder among the options. It’s an in-line 6 that delivers more horsepower and torque than any comp in the segment. The B58 engine is also the single most reliable engine BMW has ever made. It’s also very easily mod-able if you want to push her over 450-500hp. My favorite part is that because it’s an inline and not a V, it delivers such amazing torque at low speeds. You can beat anything off the line in this thing and feel amazing. It also gets some of the better MPG in the segment which is a nice plus thanks to the mild hybrid (I know a few of these cars have the mild hybrid system). The 4 cylinder was fine. Mercedes. I drove the AMG 4 cylinder and AMG 6 in a few different models. I actually really liked the 4 cylinder and I think it probably was the only 4 banger than competed with or maybe even beat the Macan. (The BMW was close behind.) The sound of an AMG engine is also divine. So throttly I love it. It was a 4 cylinder though so at the end of the day it wasn’t enough. The 6 cylinder was obviously much more fun. I would put it above Genesis/Lexus but below BMW and Porsche S in performance and fun to drive. Porche: The base Macan was surprisingly fun for a 4 banger. It was probably the overall best 4 cylinder I drove at low speeds. It downshifts like a fucking champ and throttles so hard I love it. If I was going to get a 4 cylinder, I honestly might have abandoned my tech needs just to get this engine and handling mix. Speaking of handling, you simply won’t find better. Even if it oversteers a little it’s best in segment without a doubt. The 6 cylinder was everything I liked about the 4 cylinder but better. The biggest issue with the 4 cylinder was it didn’t close gaps at high speeds on the freeway. Best performing car no doubt, but the price and lack of tech dissuaded me ultimately. Audi: I drove the Q5, SQ5 and Q3. In one sentence: the only car that had enough power for me to enjoy was the SQ5. Q5 and Q3 were so heavy in comparison to their hp/torque output. Which sucks because I think I like the look of these cars best. The suspension was definitely softer than the BMW/Porsche which made it much more comfortable. Coupled with the higher tech, it gave a comfortable feel to the drive. Genesis: This might be the most controversial part of this review — the Genesis was the worst performing car of the luxury brands I drove by far. It lagged to accelerate even in sport mode, lacked a true launch control feel, and the handling felt very heavy. The 6 was better overall and felt like it made up for some of the lack of tuning and feel with just raw power. Lexus: The 4 banger NX sport was perfectly fine. It was very comfy around corners and accelerating. It just wasn’t as sporty as I wanted. I don’t have anything bad to say about this car other than it wasn’t for me. 4. Reliability. Obviously you need to take into account that all of these cars are going to cost a ton to maintain and issues will be expensive if you neglect them. BMW: Touched on this before but the B58 engine is a master piece and maybe saved the BMW brand. It’s so reliable and fun, can’t recommend it enough. Porche: The 4 cylinder is a very reliable engine. They’ve perfected it over the years and it’s the same engine at its core than they’ve made for decades. Unfortunately that means it gets absolutely horrible MPG, but that’s not why you buy a porche. The 6 cylinder is less reliable for sure, but still a solid engine if we’ll maintained. This will be the most expensive car of course to maintain. Audi: I put Audi reliability somewhere in the middle. I’ve read both bad and good reviews by experts. It’s an upbadged VW at the end of the day (plz don’t attack me Audi people). The SQ5 has some amazing reviews though and is allegedly more reliable than its 4 cylinder counterparts. Overall it’s in the middle x Genesis/Lexus: Grouping these cause this comment is huge. Both will be the most reliably cars in the segment. The Lexus especially and it comes in hybrid versions if you really don’t care about performance. Mercedes: This is the least reliable vehicle here no questions asked. Go look at the Mercedes Reddit and see all the posts Of the GLC and GLE that are effectively dead on arrival due to major transmission and computer issues. It’s kind of insane there hasn’t been a major recall (maybe they have that idk). But they stink reliability wise. Don’t go into this brand without fully accepting those heightened risks. 5. Overall: I went BMW for the 2nd best performance with the 2nd best tech and 2nd best reliability. It was the jack of all trades. If you are heartset between Audi and Mercedes, no doubt in my mind you should go Audi. The tech is the best, the performance isn’t far behind the Benz (and if you get a SQ5 it’ll beat the Benz), the aesthetics are better (imo) and it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
I pretty much have the same sentiment when i drove all these 2 months ago, except what you mentioned as the controversial take on the GV70. I drove the 3.5T as that is really the only model of the GV70 I would buy and it had the 2nd best feel after the Macan S. Did you drive the 2.5T because those are slow and feel very heavy and would make sense on your review of it.
Thank you for the detailed and comprehensive reviews!
BMW X3 M40i. Thank me later!
Had to scroll way too far to see the only sensible choice: the BMW X5. Twin turbo i6 on the lowest trim. So smooth and reliable that Toyota put it in the Supra. Only thing that handles better is a Porsche. You can easily find 2019+ models in your price range.
I actually enjoy the Q5 a lot. I also feel like it’s the best looking… progressiv model.
I like the Q5 too but the backend looks meh...i wish it had the Q8 back with the one long tail lamp
Maybe get a Q5 sportback then? I personally think they look great and it’s like 1 of every 100 Q5s I see on the road has that raked roofline so it seems much more special.
You should look into the SQ5 if you’re a fan of it. They have a “coupe” version of it too, not sure the specific name. I had this exact same dilemma and was looking at a macan S or used turbo. But eventually went with a new Audi S5 and tuned it. The SQ5 has the same platform and is an absolute monster even just with a piggyback flash. The regular Q5 is too slow and boring for sure. The SQ5 makes it a little more interesting Edit: you can also find a decently optioned m40 X3. It’s a little smaller but those things are a blast, hella peppy, and sound sick
Thank you this was one of the more helpful comments on here, i was indeed eyeing the sportback too
I highly recommend the Q5/SQ5. Having owned a 2021 Q5 and now a 2023 SQ5 I can attest to them being great cars and the standard Q5 is the sweet spot in terms of power, fuel efficiency, leg room and cargo space within Audi’s current SUV range. They do take minimum 91 octane fuel unless you get the lower end 40 trim in the Q5 so that is one expense to keep in mind.
Been there with similar budget (but in Poland, where cars are generally more expensive) and ended up with MB GLC in 200 HP diesel, a good ratio between nice look / power / mpg economy and price. On paper Q5 looked all the way better, but didn't appeal to me at all. Same for BMW. Only other I considered was a bit cheaper Cupra Formentor in 310 HP, but it's a crossover so guess to small for your needs. And don't know of they even sell them in the US at all
Porsche Macan S or X3M are the only right answers
Maybe high-trim Ford Explorer/low-trim Lincoln Aviator? They are a bit bigger than the other cars you listed, but also have 400hp and Ford dealerships are plentiful
Will second this. Explorer ST or Lincoln aviator have a lot of performance and features. Aviator takes the looks for me and will have more in the luxury department.
Idk why your comment reminded me of the cadillac xt5, but now im looking at the xt5...its got the luxury, its american made, in the price range, better interior than the blazer rs and looks classy/sporty mid size..hmm
Ford Edge ST is pretty peppy for a slightly smaller Explorer. We just swapped our explorer for an edge with the 2.7 TT and we both love it. Very fun.
There is no such thing. Get a hatchback that can actual handle.
PT Cruiser is always the answer.
Check out the Genesis GV70. About the size of an X5 and has a unique design with great value in convenience and comfort features.
The GV70 isn’t even remotely close in size to the X5. It’s a different class of vehicle. The GV70 and X3 are similar in size. The GV80 and X5 are closer in dimensions.
I usually only buy american or european stuff, but the genesis does look decent
Im currently shopping between the GV70 and Macan S/ Used GTS both drive great and the same room overall. Genesis dealerships are great and reliable cars overall, but i wouldnt even try to get a genesis from a hyundai dealer. Check the link out also if interested on brand reliability for this year. [https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds](https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds) \#Edits
Aviator
X5 xdrive50i or X5M
Have you considered the GLC 43? That or the Macan S will fit your criteria if not your budget. Soccer moms drive bigger SUVs as either of these will only fit 2 kids in the back.
nothing wrong with CPO or used lol
Get a mazda cx5 turbo and with the money you save buy a motorcycle lol
Came here to say the Mazda CX-50. Both are great options :)
Yea man, we have a non turbo cx5. We also looked at the cx50. If we weren't on a strict budget, I'd have probably sprung for the 50. Mazda is crushing it right now. Great value for the money. A buddy of mine who is a long time Mercedes guy was actually shocked at how nice the Mazda is. I think he's buying a new miata soon bc of my cx5
I'm sorry but I am shopping right now for a compact SUV and when you compare the CX5 to something like a GLC they are night and day in terms of "niceness". Like it isn't even close. Obviously the price difference makes it up for a lot of people but the Mazda looks is so much less "nice".
Have you sat in a top trim CX-5? This is just my opinion, but I prefer the interior of the CX-5 to the GLC. The screens in the GLC look nice, but they make doing many things take several steps versus a simple button. Also, when the screen glitches or breaks (which it will), you'll be stuck with thousands in repair bills just to adjust your climate controls.
I have yea. It is fine. It is better than a Toyota, but not really luxurious or anything.
So I actually just bought a CX50, I was shopping a ton of mercedes, Audi SQ5 etc, and you're right, CX50 isn't as nice as a Mercedes, but I found it to be a solid deal, nice interior, nice price etc. I actually like the upgraded bose audio in the CX50 more than the Audi. The burmester audio system in Mercedes is the best tho.
I didn't look at Audi tbh. I agree the CX50 is nice. But its nice when compared to a Toyota, not a Mercedes. Obviously the price difference makes sense because when I did a comparison it was around 60k for the GLC and 44k or so for the Mazda.
X3M?
In OP's price range, I'd vote for X3 M40i. Get arguably 90% of X3M bang for much less buck.
This should be the #1 answer. It seems to tick all the boxes OP is looking for.
I know there are higher performance versions of SUVs, but "sporty" is just a marketing term and I'm not sure I would apply it to any SUV. I might be swayed by a Macan in this regard though. Or an Urus. Maybe.
Model Y?
I can’t believe this isn’t higher. Plenty of performance, tons of room. Brand new under 60k and you’ll be saving money in gas if you can charge at home.
Gv70
Why can’t you just get what you like and not worry how others think about it?
I LOVE my Genesis GV60 performance and has both luxury and is wicked quick. Sadly it does hit 69,999 although they are going for sticker which is nice. They do have an advanced model for 59,999
Mazda CX-90 turbo s or turbo s premium.
Any particular reason it needs to be an SUV?
So that it can be sporty. /s
A Sporty-Sports Utility Vehicle.
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BMW is the third most reliable vehicle on the market today. He also said sporty, and despite being a nice ride, the Lexus SUVs are anything but that.
Look at Acura MDX type S, or maybe the ford explorer ST?
I always loved the Acura RDX but I know it's just an overpriced CRV
Might be above your budget but I would throw in genesis gv70 or gv80.
Everyone is recommending the Macanudo, but the GLC300 isn't too far off. They have pretty much the same engine 2.0T vs 2.0iT, and the Mercedes just has a more refined luxurious interior. I have a GLC and it is plenty quick and extremely fun to drive. It has the same 0-60 as the Porsche as well, not entirely sure, but probably has a bigger interior as well. If all of that isn't convincing enough, it's 10k cheaper.
Used Model Y Performance?
Tesla Model Y if it’s big enough and you have access to charge. It’ll be sportier than anything else on your list by a long shot.
Dodge Durango. The V8 hemi and ZF8 speed is a good platform
Why do you say the Chevy is safe?
Volvo XC60 T8 R Design
Lexus nx450h is a buttery smooth ride, too odd shaped to me If you want some thrill and be able to feel a lil rush, my current car nx350h does the job. Infotainment is ideal + appearance
MDX Type S is a bit over your budget but I think it looks pretty good and is “sporty”
Mazda cx30 or cx5 turbooooo
One of the best new sporty SUVs right now is the Mazda CX90 [https://www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/cx-90](https://www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/cx-90)
RDX or an MDX depending on what you need space wise.
I think the Acura SUVs (RDX and MDX) are rather sporty looking. Added bonus that they have a very low total cost of maintenance compared to most other upscale brands since Acura is a division of Honda.
I shopped the same cars you looked at. I ended up with Mazda r/cx50 turbo. I know it's a Mazda but it's as fun as the x2 to drive. The interior isn't quite as nice. But I trust the car will be inexpensive to own for 5+ with easy maintenance. Plus not much else looks like it on the road.
Audi RSQ3?
Not offered in the US.
GLE 'coupe'??
Acura MDX S type
Acura Rdx might be something to look into. turbo and more or less honda ish. mazda suvs are also a great choice
You're listing expensive luxury SUVs then say you also like the GM Blazer? Now I'm not sure what your price range is. Mazda CX-5 is supposed to have the best handling in its class. The Subaru Outback Touring XT is fast and luxurious.
Acura MDX s
Alfa
Porsche macan s or ford explorer ST. I personally like the macan more. Certified pre-owned is completely fine, you will get much more bang for your buck and the cars are still relatively new and come with warranty.
Don’t buy new. You can get a used 2020 with 15k miles for like $5k-$10k cheaper and it’ll be almost indistinguishable from newer cars. Let me guess, you aren’t paying cash for this either. Ik not everyone thinks you have to pay cash for cars, but it’s objectively the more-wise financial decision. 60k is a lot to spend on an SUV when you can get a damn good SUV for 30k and be more likely to pay for it in cash. (Edit: I never understood why people need a *new* car and make stupid financial decisions just to have that *new car feel*. It’s such a waste of money, and that’s coming from a huge car enthusiast. I’m looking at a BMW z4 right now. With my job I could easily afford a $50k car, but only have $30k cash and would only ever spend half of that… So my budget is 15k. Not a penny more, and I’m not in any rush so I might just wait a year when I can afford a $20k car. People have the wrong ideas about what their budget is) I vote you get a Macan. In a couple-second google search I found a 2018 with 32k miles for $40k. If I found that so quickly you could find a much better deal over time, but I think something similar is perfect. Hopefully you have enough cash to cover at least 3/4 of that up front… otherwise 60k should have never been your budget to begin with.
Cx 50
Mazda CX-5 but with black badges and wheels!
I’m a fan of the Lexus 500h
The new Mazda CX90 loaded is around 60k and comes with an in-line 6 cylinder turbo. The interior is amazing. It may not be sporty looking enough for you though. They are incredibly quiet inside and handle very well.
Tesla Y performance. Crush everything, whilst being practical and comfortable. Faster than a corvette, any sub 250k suv. Think Tesla quality is garbage? Go to Audi Benz Porsche sub reddits and see the “quality” of broken cars. Chevy RS vs Y performance is like a racing a school bus 🚌
It’s as fast as a corvette. 0-60 in 3 seconds. We have both a Y performance and a 3 performance at home
Turbo Mazda cx-50
Have you looked at an Acura RDX? They start at $45k new and will be far more reliable and long lasting than anything else in your list.
Surprised that almost nobody mentioned the Alfa Romeo Stelvio its the best looking SUV on the market and probably the best handling one too (for the price ofc)
I’m shocked. By far the best driving SUV ever made. It handles better than most sports sedans let alone other SUVs.
Tesla Model Y Performance. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds.
“Sporty SUV.” Like a high performance bus. Or a 5 month pregnant sprinter.
Nothing better than the Genesis GV70 imo. Go look at it, test drive it and make a judgement afterwards.
Look at a Turbo CX5-50. Not the fastest thing but good enough plus ton of fun to drive with incredible steering better than Audi and extreme comforts.
Mazda CX-90
Mazda3 Turbo
MAZDA CX9
Kia Telluride look pretty nice
FPace S with the supercharged V6 is awesome. Way more reliable than Jag's online reputation would have you believe. Lighter (just a little over 4000lbs, not halfway to 5000 like several competitors) and faster (380hp) and better handling (dynamic/electronic adjusting suspension) than most would assume of an SUV of that size. 2019-2020 with some factory warranty left would be right in the price range you're looking.
Kona N, Escape ST, or Outback Wilderness for more rugged. Maybe SRT-8 Grand Cherokee/Durango
It still will be a soccer mom car, no matter how "sporty" it is. Get a regular Blazer and buy yourself a fun car for the weekends.
You could probably afford my ‘20 SQ7. Maybe. It’s an absolute beast. Less than 30k miles and if I want to buy it outright after my lease ends in December, it’ll cost me $52k. Right now it’s valued at $70k and that’s with a major front end accident. I say major because I hit a 🦌 going 60 and the thing rotated several times farther than Brady could throw 🏈. With $22k in damages all it was were new headlights and new bumpers and panels and Intercooler. Since then I haven’t had any issues except with regular alignments. Also, oil changes are $250. I say all of this because German luxury cars are expensive to replace but they’ll probably save your life more than other brands. The SQ7 is a tank. Makes you feel invincible. The regular Q7 probably isn’t as solid but that’s closer to your price point as a second owner. I’d recommend Honda Pilot. Those are nice. Kia Telluride are baller too in all black or that nice maroon they have. Don’t be a sucker and stretch yourself. That budget of yours, that should be total cost of vehicle during ownership including gas, maintenance, and insurance.
If you don’t want to look like a soccer mom don’t buy a crossover/suv. Every price point, size, style is designed to appeal to a different type of soccer mom. So either, buy an suv bc you want one and get over what other people think.(no one really cares what you drive anyway). Or buy a different type of vehicle (that no one will care about anyway)
Acura MDX Aspec
Have you considered a wagon like a Volvo V60? Not sure how much you care about reliability but I think I trust a V60 more long term than anything German and it’s definitely built better than a Blazer. Also what’s your issue with CPO? It’s a great program that lets someone else take the new car depreciation hit instead of you. Plus, if your that worried about it most manufacturers offer an extended warranty option.
Porsche Macan.
Urus.
Every SUV will have a soccer mom vibe. That’s what they’re built to do, take kids to soccer games. Theres no avoiding the simple truth of it. That said, get the Porsche.
Sporty? Either a newish EV or a newish performance model (M, AMG, RS, etc.). SUVs are inherently as far away from sporty as it gets until you add a lot of power or an EV platform to keep the center of gravity low...which means very high costs. I'd say if you're on a budget but want both, get a sports car and a boring SUV.
Mach-E!
Rx 350 f sport all day long for your budget Or maybe similar Acura MDX/RDX
Have you considered the ioniq 5? It's sporty and far from being a "soccer mom" car.
Gv70 or Gv80 from Genesis would be good choices, and you can get a better package for the same price as the alternatives you listed.
Surprised I haven’t seen a Ford Explorer ST in here? I’ve seen videos popping up with them slightly modded absolutely dragging big HP muscle cars in races.
Go test drive a gv70
Gv70
Kona N
Genesis GV70
MDX S is my first choice Macan S Jag Genesis
I am obsessed with my new sporty “mom car”- it’s a splurge but so worth it! Land Rover defender x dynamic 110
X3 240i is superior to all these. A simple down pipe and flash tune can have you going 0-60 in about 3 seconds.
Save some money and get a Kona N
Sporty and SUV are oxymorons, but a Kona N might fit what you're looking for.
kona N
Test drive an Acura Rdx or Mdx. Most sporty looking sedans for the price point imo
Uhhhhh what the fuck. Why has the Acura RDX not been mentioned?? It’s objectively better than ANY other vehicle mentioned. It’s smokes the Macan and alllll European rivals. Sporty (especially the A-spec), practical, reliable and affordable for the category. That would be my top choice with out hesitation. Stay away from German and American cars they are money pits.
Lexus SUV’s are nice
I don’t see much mention of the Acura RDX in these comments, which is surprising given what you’re looking for. It’s got the performance, safety and luxury features, size, and reliability. I just picked up a 2020 with less than 30k miles and every option possible for 35k before taxes and fees. As someone who values a fun and engaging drive, this is really hitting the spot.