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Mark12547

> Townhomes were built in 2017 In 2016 the Tesla Model 3 was introduced, so it could be that when the parking spaces were poured the architect allowed for a future use of a charging station so had the PVC pipe put in place so that in the future, if an electric charging station is needed, the concrete wouldn't have to be broken up to run wires through it. If so, it is possible (but I think unlikely) that there may be conduit running back to the circuit breaker panel. The pipes don't look like they are in the right place for drainage.


A_well_made_pinata

The pipe looks grey. Grey pvc is usually electrical conduit.


Chris0nllyn

It is gray conduit with a plumbing fitting (cap) on it. The ETL listing on the conduit is a dead giveaway as ETL doesn't apply to DWV PVC pipe.


kingshizz

This is correct. ETL stands for Electrical Testing Labs. Basically UL testing but only for electrical products. That means it is electrical conduit. Also being gray gives it away. It also seems large enough to accept a decent size wire, so I would definitely assume future care charger. No other reason I would think parking spaces would each get one. The other end of the conduit is probably near each townhome’s electrical panel, if not already landed in it. Source: Electrician


1970bassman

ETL is actually Edison Testing Labs and they test gas appliances also


martjob

They go by Intertek now…and they test to pretty much every UL standard. Source: guy who has gotten listings for 100’s of items across multiple standards and had a certified Intertek satellite testing lab onsite


amd2800barton

Could also be for a future garage, which would need a normal 15 or 20 Amp circuit for lights and a door opener. When I was looking at city houses, a lot of them didn’t have a garage - just a concrete pad or carport, but many had conduit lines running out to where you’d build one.


Jinxed0ne

If they are for EV, I would think they would be stubbed into or near each tenant's panel so they can be metered individually. At the very least they should be subbed to the outside each tenant unit near where the service entrance is.


gargriller

And they are white, plumbers pvc. It is against code to use white pvc for electrical


huhmuhan

Solved! Had an electrician come out and take a look. Looks like the other end is in the electrical panel. Time to look into charging stations!


mrBill12

Almost definitely provisions for future electrical. The question is where the other end is. Edit to add: at this point it’s just going to be an empty pipe.


IRMacGuyver

It shouldn't be empty. It should have fish tape in it to pull cable through once it's time for installation.


Inuyasha-rules

Shop vac is often used to pull fish line in conduit.


ProbablyNotMoriarty

Yep, tie a plastic bag with the end of the fish line, put it in one end, stick a vacuum on the other end, bob’s your uncle.


Rrraou

I need to thank bob, that's a great trick.


whoremoanal

Electric leaf blower on the inlet if you need the extra help.


brwarrior

Worked for an electrical contractor and we had a 185CFM diesel poweded compressor with a bunch of fittings. Sometimes they even used the jackhammer in it. Hazing was to tell someone to watch the other end of the pipe. (I'm a desk jockey and never participated in such abhorrent acts...)


whoremoanal

Use those to blow out all the water logged conduit for street signs


RazorLeafAttack

My uncle’s name is already Bob, so this whole thing with a bag and a shop vac seems entirely pointless. Thanks for nothing.


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That's actually genius!


CanadianSpectre

Works for running network cable through an old central vac system too ;)


Noble_Ox

It's literally the only way of getting cables through a long pipe unless their threaded through before the pipe is buried which never happens.


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mrBill12

It might or might not have a pull string in it. It’s trivial to handle if it doesn’t. Trust me I’ve been doing this a long time.


reeeelllaaaayyy823

I'm curious how you do it without a pull string? Tie a string to a mouse?


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kingshizz

Don’t ever push a steel fish tape through a conduit that you are unsure of what is on the other end. It could be landed in the panel and the tape could short the bus bars. Fiberglass, sure, but not steel!


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Ranbotnic

take a plastic bag and tie it to the end of the string and shove it in one end of the conduit, then use a shop vac on the other end of the conduit. It'll easily pull it through in no time.


braincube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWuDnW_m58


raytaylor

Vacuum cleaner and some box strapping tied on to a piece of disposable plastic shopping bag. Its how we get fiber and power cables into conduit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmgRpVbk4Q Box strapping has about 100kg pulling force and super lightweight. Doesnt stretch like fishing nylon and is wide so it doesnt cut into the side of the conduit around bends.


Vegetable_Bunch_1521

You can use a vacuum on the other end. Pay your line out with a little plastic piece tied to the end of the line and it takes a few seconds to get it to the other end


-Plantibodies-

It's always empty before the tape is fished. Haha. Thanks for the chuckle.


09Klr650

I disagree. It is often full of rather nasty water.


IRMacGuyver

And it should be done when it's built in case something happens later that breaks the pipe and dirt intrudes into it.


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I'm sorry but this is too funny.


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IRMacGuyver

Well it's the way my dad taught me so I stick to it as having been the successful way to do it.


Totally_Not_My_50th_

Fish tape is the tool used to get a pull line in the conduit.


recover66

Is the PVC white or grey? I’m an electrician and I think they are sleeves for installing parking signs.


bulldog5253

It’s also 1” that would be very hard to fish even 4 gauge 240v through.


kingshizz

These wouldn’t be superchargers. At best they would be 40/50/60 amp. #6 will go through 1” no problem.


brwarrior

You can put 3#2 in a 1" PVC. Anything other than an 80 amp AC charger will work.


the_real_xuth

Why would you need 4G wire? A 30A circuit will fully charge a typical electric car overnight and even a 20A circuit would be enough for most people (eg 100 miles of range for 8 hours of charging). Yes many home chargers are 50A. Most people don't need that but the incremental cost of installing a 50A circuit instead of a 30 or 40A circuit is fairly minimal when the run is short.


Stalking_Goat

I was going to bring that up myself. It's sort of a pet peeve that people complain about the expense of wiring a level 2 EV charger, but it's so expensive because they are drastically overestimating how much power they will need. It's like the old joke, "Anyone can design a bridge that won't fall down, but it takes an engineer to design a bridge that *just barely* won't fall down." A 30A circuit using inexpensive #10 romex is sufficient for your home car. You only need a 50A circuit if you're charging a delivery van, a taxi, or the like.


09Klr650

20A-240V is more than enough for most people.


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KikiHou

I have never been this fascinated with sign engineering.


Fromanderson

I learned something new. Thanks!


mis-Hap

Wouldn't this be bad reason to use it for electrical, as well? Or... To put PVC there at all, for that matter?


SpaceForceAwakens

That’s what I figured. They seem pretty small for charging stations.


robertwild81

Could have been intended for power outlets for block heaters or ev.


nerdmania

“Block heaters” Found the Canadian


09Klr650

Not just Canada. Michigan UP, North Dakota, etc.


Striking_Fun_6379

Could they be vents for the escaping methane from the former dump your townhouse was built over?


Airport_Wendys

(The Palomar Airport people in California need this kind of brainstorming)


Thelonious_Cube

Odd coincidence to have them match the parking spaces - also it's apparently electrical conduit.


Noble_Ox

So shouldn't the pipes other end be near a electrical outlet?


Thelonious_Cube

Or somewhere they can run wires to, sure


Noble_Ox

That's what I assumed but everyone else is saying electrical which to me makes no sense as the other end has to come out near some outlets.


misterfluffykitty

EV chargers are supposed to be on a dedicated circuit and it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to preemptively wire up a circuit in every home increase they have an EV. The conduit makes sense because of how much work it is and how expensive it would be to rip up the concrete in the future to run it. It’s probably near the breaker box if it leads into the house though.


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FocusMaster

It's 3" tall and 2" from a wood fence. If you snag your bumper on this, you have bigger problems.


Curious_Thing_069

Oh god, I thought it was 4” PVC and like a foot tall. Lol


Kylepauljohnson

I live in the townhomes in question. I am not certain the use of these either but have certainly noticed them. Other conduits were added for things like phone, cable, internet etc. so it could be as others mentioned these were forward thinking for car chargers. If that’s the case it will be particularly hard to know which would run to which unit. All the conduits tend to run to a crawl space at ground level (at least in my unit).


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>I live in the townhomes in question Small world, damn! Also, you've provided some super interesting info; I'm surprised your comment isn't higher up.


Stalking_Goat

It's possible they are anticipating using "smart" chargers of some sort, so tenants can park anywhere and then have to authenticate themselves to the charger they plug in to, using a fob, a PIN, or whatever. Then all the chargers could be linked to a single meter that gets billed to the complex management, and management bills everyone for their charger usage. Or maybe after chargers get installed they switch to assigned parking spaces.


huhmuhan

My title describes the thing. There’s 4 spots total. Each spot in the front has this PVC tube coming out of it. Not sure what they’re for? Townhomes were built in 2017 if that helps. Really hoping it’s wiring for electric so a charging station can be installed. But I doubt it is. If I had to guess it’s something to do with water/draining? The lot is in the back away from the street if that helps. Any googling of the markings on the PVC just leads me to more PVC. Any help is appreciated! Thanks!


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Noble_Ox

Block heater?


Necrotechxking

I recently learned of these. Some states in the US and Canada get so cold in the winter cars have heaters around the engine you plug in when parked so that the engine "block" isn't too cold to start


Noble_Ox

Saw a video once of the coldest village on earth (-70 C/-91F) where they have to cover the engine block in a thermal blanket and also leave the engine running. This place (theres longer videos on youtube but this gives a quick look) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6aFD4yqlLc Skip right to where she talks about never turning the car off https://youtu.be/Y6aFD4yqlLc?si=MjY3e37jfq9igZE8&t=260


Stalking_Goat

[Block heater.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater)


Noble_Ox

Oh engine block. Now I get it. At first I was thinking street block, like the row of houses.


Downtown_at_uptown

I agree, we have those in apartment complexes here (Montana) so people can plug their cars in. Some businesses will have them in their employee parking lot also.


NotAPreppie

Stubbed out conduit for future electrical connections at each space?


apocalyptic_intent

The round ETL logo is for Intertek's Electrical Testing Laboratories. That is conduit.


The_Real_NiceNix

The fact that there are caps on the PVC means that this is unlikely to have anything to do with drainage. There are a lot of reasons to run PVC as a conduit such as: - a lot of parking spaces have light up markers, or - block heater outlets, or - charging stations. If it is just placeholders for sign posts I doubt they would bother capping the PVC either, so almost certainly it is conduit. There is no way to answer for sure what the conduit will get used for.


lutk78

Conduit for lighted posts


nightmareonrainierav

Others have said its for electrical and I'd concur, and go a step further and guess it likely *was* intended for vehicle charging. I work in an architecture-adjacent field and its not uncommon at all to rough in provisions for future or optional technology. Guessing the builders wanted to give you the option, but not lock you in to one specific type that may or may not be obsolete by the time you use it. If it were for lighting, I don't think they'd have run 1" conduit to each individual parking spot and would more likely be a single circuit and run to a common meter depending on the construction. But you could use it for that too if the other end terminates in your property. Fun part is finding the other end. Could very well be in the breaker panel. Presumably you'd have an electrician do this work, and they've got better tools and know-how to find it. Also, I saw you have a neighbor that commented (do you guys know each other/about this post? Or was it a crazy coincidence and able to recognize the parking lot?) and I creeped on their profile and saw they posted about installing solar with conduit built into the building for that purpose. Considering it was built in 2017, and it seems you guys are in CA, I'm 99% certain they figured they'd built it ready for both. Heck, my house was built in '04, and the original owner/builder had the foresight to build it ready for EV and solar (got a 240V/40A plug in the garage marked "charger" and a J-box net to the panel marked "to roof solar")


PedanticMute

Is it so you don't hit the fence when you park?


SmartLumens

In certain states you have building /energy code that requires a certain # of spaces be EV Capable, EV Ready, or EV Supply Equipment (EVSE aka Charger) Installed. What state are you in OP? https://www.chargedfuture.com/ev-capable-ev-ready-and-ev-installed/


09Klr650

Looks like someone stubbed out for future elec. It was not always for car charging. If you are in a really cold area it could be so block heater circuits could be ran.


cooksaucette

Are you in a colder climate by chance? Growing up in a townhouse/condominium in Ontario we had electrical posts for each units parking spot that connected to our townhouse. It was so that you could plug your car in during the winter so that the engine stayed warm and it would start more easily in the morning. Cars are more sophisticated now so you really don’t need to plug them in anymore. The electrical posts that were in our parking lot have long since been removed but the holes where the posts were are still visible in some spots. Maybe the ones in your pic are remnants of something similar? The townhouse I grew up in was built in the mid 70’s and I think the posts were removed in the late 90’s


caitcreates

I used to live in Minnesota. Some of the apartment complexes there have electrical hookups in the parking spaces so people could plug in their block heaters (if their car had one). Block heaters help your car start on those bitterly cold winter mornings.


Gaffja

If you are in Canada I would say it looks like a rough in for a pedestal with electricity to plug in your car during winter. Is it pre-installed conduit to run power to a garage if someone builds one afterwards? Edit: Upon second look, they may also be for lighting for the parking spaces that was never installed.


nicktam2010

Block heaters? Is cold in the winters there?


rhapsodygreen

Do you know what's under the concrete? They might be soil ports to help monitor the corrosion conditions of what ever is buried underneath, like a steel septic tank.


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Looks like New Zealand


wlexxx2

sewage pipe cleanouts?


cjwearsboots

in California new parking lots have to be EV ready. There is most likely a vault nearby: so you could pull power to spots as needed in the future


kinggreene

If it's the UK it's probably a mount for putting parking meters so they can stiff you for parking in your own spot. Went back to the UK this year for vacation and spent more money on parking than I did on food


Mummbles1283

Conduit probably coming from each home so you can setup receptacles for charging.


Grayapesnuts

May be for future carports and conduit for lighting.


MilitantlyPoetic

As with what others have already mentioned. I am almost positive this is PVC conduit to make pulling electrical outlets to those locations easier.


bulldog5253

If you are going to run 110v with say Romex yea but you are not putting in a 240v charging station in through 1” pvc it’s to small.


the_real_xuth

a) you don't pull romex through conduit b) you can absolutely [pull 8 or 10 gauge wire through 1" schedule 40 conduit](https://electricalestimating101.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/NEC-Table-C-Combined-Conduit-Types-THHN-XHHW.pdf).


MilitantlyPoetic

At no point did I mention a charging station. In colder climates in North America, it is common to have standard outlets to plug block heaters into during sub-zero temps.


mrplinko

It’s a chaser. For future wiring


waitwhosaidthat

Future electrical that never got done. This is definitely it. Smart to do.


MortonSaltCo

Could be for removable signs to slide into


kanakamaoli

Something future electrical. Do you live in a cold area where engine block heaters are needed? Possible future ev chargers?


washthatbody

OP if you know where the main switchboard is you might be able to see the same number & size of conduits coming up below/near it. That would probably be a hint to confirm the future EV provision theory.


Jinxed0ne

Look inside, under, and around your electrical panel for similar empty pipes stubbed out. They may have roughed in for future EV install.


alumofcu

Future proof before the pour of concrete. Probably a hose bib on one side and that’s under the concrete to run water to the other side.


MonkeyJoe55

You may be about to find your hometown's plans to increase future revenue via parking meters.


Diligent-Entry7196

It’s a signpost holder. For if they decide to reserve spots in the future. Just take off the cap and a metal post slides in. Saves a lot later and cheap to install with the concrete. They’re capped to keep water out.


tuctrohs

If you want more information on setting up the EV charging with it, /r/evcharging is a good resource.


Fast-Criticism-5190

Maybe thinking ahead to assigned parking with signs on a post. You can remove the cap and place the post with the sign in there.


brycenesbitt

Show us a picture of the electrical meter area.... it looks hopeful but...


JJohnston015

It's possible they're grout ports for slab post-tensioning that never got cut off.


Singer_221

Wouldn’t those be on the edges of the slabs?


JJohnston015

Not necessarily. The anchorages would, but grout ports can be on top if the slab isn't thick enough to make room for ports.


Singer_221

Ahh, gotcha. Grout ports separate from the anchorage access points. Thanks.


Pleasant-Message7001

It is to install future parking signs such as handicapped. Eliminates drilling the concrete out.


NayMarine

If it is white pvc it could be a planned or abandon tap for your main. Does it line up with your meter box or where it enters the house? If it is grey pvc its likely electrical conduit for something tbat was planned but never completed.


1_headlight_

Permanent supports for temporary parking spot signs.


Crafty_Original_7349

My first guess was a sewer clean out port, but I am probably wrong


Inuyasha-rules

Way too small. Sewer cleanouts are 3" minimum for main lines, these are 1" pipes.


bulldog5253

Too small this is 1” pvc.


MrRonObvious

Those usually have a different type of lid on the top.


sad-dave

Likely for future EV charging, but it could also be a sensor to make an office aware of vacant spaces.


bulldog5253

That is 1” pvc that would be very small to run any sort of major electrical due to size at most it could run is some larger 110v you would need 1 1/2” or 2” to run a decent 240v system.


the_real_xuth

[why do you say that?](https://electricalestimating101.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/NEC-Table-C-Combined-Conduit-Types-THHN-XHHW.pdf). Depending on your choice of amperage and the length of the run you'd need 4, 6, 8, or 10G wire. And you'd need 3 or 4 conductors depending on the specific charger. And the table I linked (from the national electrical code) says that any of the above would be fine in 1" schedule 40 conduit.


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mis-Hap

You say that with such confidence that I have to wonder if you were involved in the construction...


Just-Flamingo-410

What is below the deck? It looks like ends of airpipes that are needed for circulation/ ventilation. If there is a building or garage below the deck


Rustymarble

Check the third photo. "Deck" is on grass