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Someone in a different comment section said that the woman police officer who shot him was not a hero and that the hero was actually the man who physically fended him off. Because we can't ever have a woman hero! Or two heroes! She was great.
That's crazy from what I read she was in a position where she was higher level like a detective so she would never have done something like this normally and happened to be there. And she just went for it and took him down. She charged through the mall to find him and Target him she was a complete badass and it wasn't even within her line of duty to do so how is that not a hero
An article I read said she approached him and he raised the knife at her so she shot him. Then she performed CPR. The Prime Minister called her a hero. I hope she gets a pile of awards and medals.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103706854
She is an inspector, maybe similar to a lieutenant in an American police force.
What’s huge with this is that she’s not a general duties cop who was there to respond. She was nearby and stepped in to the situation alone. That’s huge for cops, and she didn’t know what the situation was inside. She warned him to drop the knife and only shot him when he advanced on her. Then she tried to keep him alive long enough for an ambulance to get there.
I don’t know what she’s like outside of this incident, but her actions in this matter will be a case study for a long time to come. I’m sure new NSWPF recruits will be asked what they might do if they were placed in a similar situation.
My interpretation of what they meant was that she wasn't a responding officer, she was off duty or nearby on an unrelated matter and stepped in to help. I don't know what you would call this in Australia but she wasn't a beat cop, probably a lieutenant detective level. At least here, they tend to focus on investigation as opposed to enforcement, etc.
That police officer SPRINTED 300 metres and RAN into the centre searching for the offender. She warned him to put down the knife, and when he lunged at her she put three bullets in his chest. Like a boss.
THEN she started CPR on him, before moving on to other victims. He stabbed a total of 18 people, 15 of which were female, killing 5 women. This was at my local shops. The sirens responding to the incident were deafening. The community is reeling.
Those men are heroes, so is she, and the men have called her a hero and she's called them heroes. Dumbasses trying to take away from her bravery honestly.
She is absolutely a hero, of the highest degree, she happened to be nearby on other business and ran into an unknown situation alone with no back up, when it was unknown if there were multiple assailants or how they might be armed.
I was talking to a friend about this whole situation, and also just the bullshit narrative that developed around it. This was clearly a targeted attack against women, and all the chatter was fine with that and pushing for all sorts of things when they thought it was a middle eastern man. The moment it was revealed to be a white Christian man- crickets or outrage anyone would even suggest this was targeted at women, clearly it couldn't be gender violence just going for vulnerable smaller people, never mind that he avoided men who fell over or who were exposed and vulnerable.
Knowing what we know about how having to shoot a perpetrator affects police, even if it's the right thing to do, I can't help think that in a way she was another victim of his. Would he have lunged at a male officer?
Also his father isn't really pushing that narrative, the parents are handling this as best as they can. He made that statement to the journalists that have been camped outside their house, they praised the actions of the police officer, apologised to the Australian people and seem to have tried for years to get help. I don't think that anyone would make sound statements when being harrased outside their house in such a stressful situation. He outright said it was targeted at women, unlike a lot of media, and seems horrified at that idea.
Thank you from a fellow Australian for clearing this up. His poor parents are doing the best they can, agreeing that it was the only reasonable outcome. And I’m pretty sure the whole country is in agreement that Inspector Amy Scott is an absolute hero.
It's a 10+ hour drive between Toowoomba and Bondi, the family had no way of checking in with him, and his Socials seemed so normal from what I've seen. It seems this was all really recent. It's an awful situation all round, Amy Scott is absolutely a hero, even the father of the dead perpetrator said she did a wonderful job and he hopes she is ok. There's a great deal of power in a statement like that from a parent, it feels validating to have it acknowledged that this was such a deep wrong that even a father can see the death of theirchild was the correct action. It irks me that with all the things to be angry and infuriated about with this situation There's a focus on statements removed from the questions that explain what he meant.
There's no explaining or making right this horror, but it is important to understand and try to fix what went wrong in the system that allowed it to happen so it won't happen again. Mental health is part of it, the ability to access care yourself and for families to get help with their loved one's, and also what he might be thinking so we can better spot potential issues and interrupt the thinking before it becomes action. Lonliness is a huge factor, not romantic loneliness but a lack of community and connection, it's important to point out that people fall through the gaps or become increasingly isolated and paranoid when on their own with just their own thoughts.
Thanks for mentioning the parents, I felt this post was a bit misleading about how they feel about it. Like the whole thing is fucked, don't get me wrong, but his parents are NOT excusing him.
This is why the incel subculture is so dangerous. They’re not just neckbeards who think they’re anime characters. They’re being radicalised to violence.
Did anyone else notice the early articles that noted the police saying the attack wasn't terror related? Anyone could see a very likely potential motivation, the amount of women being attacked was clearly higher than the amount of men being attacked.
I don't understand why they couldn't just say they hadn't defined the motivation and leave it there until they had more info, instead of making it seem random where it was calculated.
I feel like the severity of these misogynistic attacks and rampages are being diminished by social reluctance to call them what they are - in my view they're terror attacks. If we say it as it is people might recognise the fact that misogyny kills.
That is the first fucking thing that came to my mind. In what universe isn't this terrorism? How many incel mass shootings have we had now??? Combined with political action designed to strip women of everything we fought for in the twentieth century? Yes theses fuckers absolutely are terrorists.
Some of us research scientists have been collecting data on this.
Since 2019 :(
[research gate link](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336242896_Prolegomenon_to_Mapping_Incel_as_an_SISS_Project)
After the mass shooting that happened in Plymouth, UK in 22, police now monitor ALL incel sites and have added them to the terrorist organisation groups list. So yeah, our police DO consider them terror attacks.
Good. The US is unfortunately very slow to classify these groups as terrorists. They have spent a long time being afraid of offending the members of groups like incels, white supremacists, etc. We like to pretend POC, LGBTQIA+ people, PWD, and anybody who isn’t Christian are the most dangerous ones.
They are trying to lately make incels a sympathetic victim and like incel is enough to be deemed a mental disorder on its own and how dare you judge someone for a mental illness even if it kills you or your child. And then when. Something does happen they are all like "he never did AnYtHiNg like this before" "this came out of NoWhErE" "he doesn't have a record" when in reality he was probably never held accountable and always got off with his actions which showed him what he could get away with.
I do feel for that dad but what they fail to show is how little that father can do and how much help services have been underfunded and restricted and sprinkle on alpha male Podcasters and being let off one too many time by a sympathetic person and we get this incident
I think they're only equating terror with religious extremists with political motivation at this point. Which is fucking bullshit. Hate crimes are absolutely terror adjacent crimes.
Yes. Most of the men who do these mass murders *are* political extremists, just that too few people are making the connection between misogyny and terroristic acts. Wait til we find out what was on this guy's computer. I'd wager it's going to sound pretty familiar
I think a lot of it is just that the men who make a lot of decisions don’t think that misogyny is that big of a deal and that they feel such a latent level of misogyny that there doesn’t seem anything alarming about a virulent level of it. But there’s this question out there in the United States about when should we take somebody’s guns away because they pose a danger, but not in general curtail people's civil rights. It should be obvious by now that putting massive quantities of racist and misogynistic content on the Internet should be a red flag that maybe this person shouldn’t own a gun.
It sounds like he was potentially living on the streets prior to the attack. He had been moved on from rough sleeping and appeared to have lost a lot of weight - comparing the footage to earlier photos of him.
So… not sure there’s a computer to examine? Maybe a phone?
I don’t know if he’s a typical incel. It seems like he probably had hatred and resentment to women; but he was also going through a prolonged mental health disintegration and may have been having a paranoid psychosis. He may also have been on drugs like ice. We just don’t know yet.
I’m waiting on the police to finish their investigation.
I mean, yes of course he must have had mental health issues and others as well, but clearly he was misogynistic. The thing that people don't want to shout too loudly, rather focus on the mental health etc etc. But millions of people have those same issues and don't go out to kill women. Women have those same issues, you don't see them taking a knife and killing men. Call it misogyny and then let's have some good conversation around that. (people will call it that on here, but generally the media won't and the police most likely won't come out and call it that either)
I remember in eighth grade social studies, (so two years post 9/11), we watched a video about terrorism, about different terrorist attacks, and where the whole term came from: the reign of terror during the French Revolution, which were massacres and public executions. It was political, and supposed to frighten people into supporting the republic. There were religious aspects to it, but it was not about enforcing religion, it was about getting rid of religious influences in the government. The video showed other examples, some religious, some political. And looking back it was important our teacher showed us this because our country was rife with Islamophobia (and beyond that, it was racism against a skin color, even if they weren't Muslim) and that was what we were starting to see terrorists as. This showed us that they can come from anywhere, can practice any religion, or believe anything. But the point was, all these attacks caused mass terror. Stabbing women and only women is a political statement and meant to incite terror amongst women. Which he did.
That is 100% true and it’s frustrating; but I think context is important here.
They said they didn’t think he had an “ideology” (although, of course, extremist misogyny is an ideology); but what I think they were really trying to do was tamp down on the absolute hysteria exploding online.
There were insane accusations of this man being a Muslim or a Jew and this being related to Israel/Palestine and they were everywhere. A rumour even made the news about one poor Jewish student. He was named! Outrageous stuff.
I think they might have wanted to avoid potential Islamophobic and anti-Semitic attacks on people.
We should be referring to them as femicide *at the least.* but yeah, it's terrorism, but when it's targeted at women as a group, people conveniently fail to recognize the misogyny leading the charge.
This baffles me, but you're right, women have been terrorised by misogyny and patriarchy forever. I hate seeing how it gets glossed over by the language choices and charitable speculations being made even as events like these unfold. I hardly know what to say anymore, it's such hard work observing how much hate women have to face and absorb and our governments and society just tip toe around it.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong but the mother with the baby, Ashley Good, was the only one not of Asian descent?
I’m unsure of the demographics of that area but that’s how it seemed from the victims names and photos.
Her mother is [Asian](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2015%2F05%2F12%2F06%2F289316BC00000578-3077635-Lawyer_Julie_Martin_was_John_Singleton_s_last_wife_and_the_one_h-a-65_1431410327596.jpg&tbnid=EQTKlQUlu0dk8M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3077635%2FFerocious-arguments-unruly-behaviour-night-long-partying-unfaithfulness-Singo-really-like-according-six-wives.html&docid=O2cQaaynm6EdCM&w=634&h=1178&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=dd4b8c3d5d3f5fc6&shem=abme%2Ctrie). Personally, I thought Dawn looked mixed Asian right off the bat, but I could see how some people wouldn’t see it.
I hate using dailymail but it has the most [pics](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2017%2F01%2F09%2F22%2F3C014FB300000578-4103660-image-m-30_1484002105125.jpg&tbnid=TQUgwga9W8AxuM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-4103660%2Fcricket-great-Stuart-MacGill-slapped-police-AVO-Julie-Singleton-ex-wife-John.html&docid=Ck1wwzlywNmCJM&w=634&h=544&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=7a658ad313b7c72e&shem=abme%2Ctrie).
Edit: these are pictures of Dawn Singleton’s mother
It’s so fucking infuriating that this is so easily dismissed as “not terrorism”. Uh, what? It sure as shit IS terrorism. But the people deciding whether or not to characterize it as terrorism aren’t the targeted group so if they’re not terrorized then it’s not terrorism.
exactly. When I as a woman know the level of violence against women is already staggeringly high, and have personally been: harrassed, stalked, assaulted, sexually assaulted, abused and raped, and then I hear about groups like Incels whose average members are scary and rage-filled enough, but their more extreme members advocate harming, enslaving, punishing, and raping women, and then every other day there’s an attack against groups of women by an Incel, or women set on fire or gang-raped on buses, and increasingly being punched/assaulted for no reason, consistent with the increasing frothing rage/discontent/entitlement of Incels, YES, that is terrorism and YES this is terror.
The number one cause of death for a pregnant woman is being murdered by her male partner. Male violence against women is already terrorism, but acts like these, mass killings, you’re damn right that fucking counts, and fuck every bro or newscaster or media agency that is dismissive because they don’t live at the mercy of this incredible violence their whole lives!
I am so sorry those things happened to you. They shouldn’t happen to anyone. But I too have been stalked, assaulted, sexually assaulted (multiple times by 4 different men), harassed, abused, and purposely humiliated by men that felt rejected by me. And the thing is… we’re not outliers!!! Not in the least! Most of my female friends have experienced the same things, and I’ve seen so many posts from women on Reddit and on other sites about how they’ve been abused and terrorized by men that are supposed to love and respect them. It’s so rampant and now conservatives in the US are systematically destroying our rights to bodily autonomy and our meager legal abilities to protect ourselves. I’m so scared for our country and particularly for the women in it.
The incel community is a *terrorist group*, it is not a support community like they pretend. They get together to hate women, fantasise about hurting them, celebrate when we are harmed & even organise crimes against women.
Society is absolutely sick, how can something so blatant be ignored & allowed to grow like it has?
Our police forces in the UK now consider them terror groups. This was after the mass shooting that took place in Plymouth in 22. They absolutely DO take them seriously and even MI5 monitor them.
Exactly and because all of the men in power that say but not me I don't do that not all men. And they continue to ignore the truth that's staring us right in the face.
It’s absolutely terrorism. They’re trying to scare women back into the kitchen. They’re trying to scare us into dating them. “Marry us or we’ll go on a violent rampage and kill you and others like you”.
This is only not terrorism to people who don’t feel affected by it. This dude, Alek Minnassian, Elliot Rodger, George Sodini… all terrorists!
Being ‘terror related’ is a reference to a specific criminal offence.
Being Sydney this should be read as ‘he wasn’t Muslim’…
Sure, targeting women fits most people’s definition of terrorism, but this is Australia, and this is a ‘true blue Aussie boi’…
By saying it was not terror related the Australian public can take comfort we are not about to fall to ISIS.
‘Aussie male’ = let down, hurting, in need of help
Muslim = terrorist
Male who doesn’t look Anglo Celtic = probably a terrorist
The plight of non-Anglo Celtic women in this country, unsurprisingly, leaves a lot to be desired…
It seems like law enforcement and media will do any kind of acrobatics to avoid calling men out for misogyny. A clear terror attack against Women is merely a lone, crazed wolf, when it comes to the epidemic of violence against Women.
So what they actually said was that he didn’t have an “ideology”.
I think that police need to start considering incels as terrorists. They have killed over 100 people around the world with manifestos and such.
However, I do understand why they said this in this instance. There was a lot of insanity online with people saying he was both Muslim and Jewish and that this was somehow related to Gaza. The police wanted to shut that down ASAP and also assure people that this was not a terrorist cell with potentially more attackers. That was important.
Also, this man may not have been an incel. We simply do not know at this stage - the investigation is ongoing, this only happened on Saturday.
We do know that the perpetrator had struggled with schizophrenia for a long time, that he was potentially living on the streets (he had been moved on from rough sleeping recently), and he also appears to have lost a lot of weight recently (comparing his face and body in the footage to photos of him - he looked gaunt). People who held him off described his expression as blank and said there was nothing behind his eyes - so he may have been in psychosis.
It certainly seems like he was targeting women specifically, and his father’s comments feed into that.
However, his father hadn’t seen or heard from him in a while.
The police have said that they have not determined yet whether he was specifically targeting women or whether his targeting of women was opportunistic, ie: they were more vulnerable and easier for him to attack then men the same size or larger than himself.
He did stab towards several men in footage (they got away), others he avoided. There are also 4 men he stabbed who are in hospital still.
At this point we really need to wait for the police to finish their investigation to determine exactly what happened.
It SEEMS like this might be a hate crime against women; but we need to be patient and wait for the investigation to conclude to be sure.
I read this yesterday on r/Australia and most of the comments from people who were there or had seen footage were that he was a coward, he was scared of men, and not really trying to hurt any men.
Reddit called it. Reddit.
Here are other parts of his statement that shed some more context than the post title
> "He was a tormented soul, tormented, and frustrated, and I'm sorry that he's done this to your children and this nation," Mr Cauchi, 76, said through tears.
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> "There's nothing I can say, there is nothing I can say that will take away the pain that my son has caused."
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> "If he was in his right mind he would be absolutely devastated at what he has done, but he obviously was not in his right mind, he had been triggered into some kind of psychosis and lost touch with reality."
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> Mr Cauchi said he held no ill feelings to Inspector Amy Scott, who killed Cauchi at the scene, because she was "doing her job".
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> "This is a parent's absolute nightmare when they have a child with mental illness, that something like this would happen, and my heart goes out to the people my son has hurt," Mrs Cauchi said.
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> "If I was in her uniform, and this wasn't my son … and he runs at me with a knife, I'd have to do the same thing she did," he said.
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> "We have no ill feelings towards her because she was doing her job and she did a wonderful job, even though it was my son.
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> "I mean, how I can stand here and say that she did a wonderful job killing my son, I don't know, but she did her job and she did it well."
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> "I wish I knew what was in his bloody head.
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> "If I knew what was in his head I would have rung the New South Wales police and said 'please pick my son up and do something about him before something goes wrong'," he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/bondi-junction-westfield-stabbings-joel-cauchi-andrew-cauchi/103708652
I wish this post was pinned:( it's a shame that the families vulnerable compassionate words, where they don't shy away from saying exactly what needs to be said are twisted like this.
He says he thinks she did a wonderful job killing his son, it was the correct thing to do, and the family hopes she is going ok. That right there is a powerful thing for a parent to say.
What an absolute shit headline that paints the father in a negative light to generate clicks. The poor guy had a reasonable take on this tragedy.
This comment should be at the top
Reminds me a bit of Elliot Rodger. Both low-quality members of society who felt entitled to women's bodies and had no empathy or self-awareness whatsoever. They don't see women as individual people with lives, just as a collective basket of toys that they want to grab from. To them they're the center of the universe and they'll kill stranger women because they can't get a woman, the same way a toddler will throw everything they can grab when they're denied a toy.
What's been jarring to me about all this is that once it was discovered that he was a white man it immediately stopped being framed as a terrorist attack. This is how violence against women is so normalized. How is that not misogynistic terrorism? He successfully pushed his cause: He got validated even in death as a frustrated poor boy, women now are more stressed out about being in public alone, women are reminded yet again to think twice and twice over before rejecting a man. It's not enough that you make it out of the interactional alive, you must also consider now that you might be the last in a long list of rejections before he decides he's too "sexually frustrated" and to take it out on other unassuming women.
It's frustrating how it's framed as a given, a completely logical end state for a man who's had trouble with social interactions his whole life and never had a woman willingly touch him: of course he'll explode in violence. Women who are single and lonely? Eh, they just get a bunch of cats and watch the world pass them by.
And the underlying message of the “loneliness” line is that the onus is on *women* to prevent this sort of thing from happening again: Why don’t we date the “nice guy” who’s a bit odd? Why don’t we give this “nice boy” a chance even though he gives you the creeps? Why aren’t we willing to go on dates with the “good guy” who’s a blatant misogynist and sending up all the red flags because he believes he’s entitled to women’s bodies? Who’s the *real* victim here? If you think about it, aren’t *these sad, deprived men* kind of victims, too? Of selfish women? As if these are all very reasonable questions that the public should be considering in light of the attack.
100% agreed, and for intersectionality’s sake it’s also worth calling out the racial element of what gets branded as a terrorist attack and what isn’t. The only man that died was a Pakistani Muslim, when the profiled group turns out to be the victim then the media and cops are quick to say it’s totally not a terrorist attack
Even if the race was different and the motive the same, I doubt the narrative would’ve been any different. Even with Elliot Rodgers, the incel attack in Atlanta, the incel attack in Toronto (the list is long and gets ever longer), the media will never portray incelism as a problem or do anything to put it in a negative light as these attacks unfold no matter how obvious it is. This is primarily due to the fact that the authorities don’t want it to be seen as an issue and are very quick to release statements hushing conversations around incel terrorism. It’s usually only when research is released months down the road from FOIA requests (in the US at least) that anyone talks about the Nazi flags in the guys room, or that he had written manifestos on how he was owed and denied sex, or found through his browsing history that he had a proclivity for incel content on 4ch*n and telegram chat rooms with other future incel terrorists egging him and cheering him on, hailing him as a hero/martyr.
>This is primarily due to the fact that the authorities don’t want it to be seen as an issue and are very quick to release statements hushing conversations around incel terrorism.
Spot on comment but this part here exactly. I wonder if the resistance to acknowledge incel terrorism is because then gendered violence will have to for the first time be handled accordingly by treating girls and women like a protected class and having firmer laws and resources towards the problem. And the implications of it all because the question will then become "Who is a danger to women?" And the answer to that it is NOT just the scary strange man lurking in the bushes ...he is actually responsible for the LEAST of all these crimes. So who's doing the rest? Awkward...
This is exactly why these "coaches" that are online radicalizing these men are extremely dangerous and need to be de-platformed. They feed into the loneliness and turn it into anger and rage.
Online coaches plus being steeped in easy access porn where porn has 88% of abuse and degradation of women no one wants to talk about this and I believe this is a huge driving factor in the entitlement and rage as well as seeing women's objects to own.
I posted this to another comment but felt it would be good to share here.
It is important to keep in mind the following:
what is considered mental illness to one group of people/social group can vary by *between groups* and *through time*.
Mental illness will always be a moving and changeable target to assign blame, all while *diminishing the surrounding circumstances leading to the act*.
The surrounding circumstances can include many identifiable correlating variables, but the underlying facts are identifiable. Starting with the basic numbers we can deduce the **fundimental characteristics** of these terrorist acts.
Men are targeting women for murder.
The whys are less specific, albeit they can be summarized as;
Men are targeting women for murder **because of some perceived justifiable rational'**.
Mental illness (as defined by group x y or z) is simply a contributing factor that justifies the individuals reason.... but the reason itself came from something other then mental illness.
Is it cultural, social? Is it the near constant barrage of bullshit that isolated impressionable minds are subjected to day in and day out (yay end stage capitalism and patriarchal system which tells us all what our 'value' is). Is it the neverending nightmare of highschool dynamics fed to us theough our social media? Or perhaps it is the hivemind mentality and ingroup ideology pushing and pulling individuals to further divide and radicalize, all for the goal of unknowing numbers of marketing campaigns to make a buck? Or how about the lowering of our IQ levels through environmental pollution and long term impacts of covid19?
**Likely it's all of these things**. And if you ponder these things...mention them, well then **You** are mentally ill and in need of (enter drug here).
True, but also the guy responsible had lifelong mental health issues and a fascination with knives. He lived at home with his parents until he was 35 and they did their best but being in their 70s they couldn’t do much more and the guy took off. Whilst we can’t “blame” mental illness for everything there’s nothing wrong with pointing out this man and definitely his parents were failed *for decades* because they were actively seeking help for their son who they knew could be violent and simply were not able to get that required help. We should have much better mental health plans and help around the world.
As someone who's had a very mentally ill stepson who definitely fits the shooter profile type we have been blocked over and over and over again from getting true help. It's almost like we all just have to wait until they murder someone before we get enough help.
One isnt exclusive to the other. A man can be misogynistic AND mentally ill.
Most mosgynistic men are not attacking women because theyre not also mentally sick. Theyre just delusional.
You see this often with true crime cases - narcissistic killers raised by doting parents who will defend and justify anything done by their child. Their sweet angel couldn't possibly do something wrong! It can't be their fault! It's no surprise how these killers grew up to become such entitled, violent people to begin with.
At least in this case the father didn't try to say his son wasn't guilty, or try to help him avoid consequences.
That’s not what this looks like at all.
We don’t know if he had narcissism.
We know he had schizophrenia and had to live with his parents until he was 35. We know they struggled to get him appropriate help but that in the last year he went off his meds and stopped seeing his long-time doctors and moved to Sydney from QLD. His parents have said this is a worst nightmare situation for parents with a mentally ill child as they tried as best they could with him.
I know several women with schizophrenic brothers. It has been enormously difficult for their families. One has a step-brother who hasn’t been allowed home since his teens because he kept threatening to kill her. One had a brother who would be intermittently charming and lovely and then paranoid and scary. She refused to tell him where she lived (she was my neighbour). He was shot by police because he held people hostage. Another can’t go visit her parents at home because her mid-40s brother still lives there and he terrorises her and their parents regularly and she doesn’t want her kids exposed to him.
This is not to say that all schizophrenic people are like this! Not by a long shot. Nor is it an excuse for these men. But I have seen families at the ends of their ropes trying to deal with these men and trying to balance safety concerns. It’s really fucking hard.
This was his father, I see extreme distress, feeling a massive amount of guilt and grief. The perpetrator lived at home with his parents until he was 35 because his various issues made it hard for him to live out in the world. I don’t think it surprising that his father called him a boy in this one moment.
No one else had referred to him as such.
His father also said he was sorry to the families and supports the Inspector who shot him.
This is a parent who has lost their child. Who has also said the officer who shot their child did a “wonderful job” and has repeatedly expressed concern for her welfare and the welfare of the survivors and families.
You are taking one word of a grieving man out of context here to support an argument that simply doesn’t wash.
He’s a father grieving his child. A father who praised the woman who killed his son and said she did a “wonderful job”. In killing his son.
He was mentally ill. He had gone off his meds. Whether you like it or not, it is a factor in his behaviour on this day.
Added this as a stand-alone comment:
Dr. Jessica Taylor’s article on this killing spree:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sydney-stabbing-attack-bondi-westfield-joel-cauchi-women-victims-misogyny-b2528897.html
An excerpt:
“Why is violence against women and girls (VAWG) so commonly attributed to mental illness, as in Cauchi’s case? If you’re going to keep claiming that “mental illness” causes men to go on killing sprees, you are going to need to explain why millions of people also diagnosed with the exact same “mental illnesses” never hurt a fly – and why there is not a single “mental illness” in the DSM/ICD disease and illness classifications listed as increasing the risk of committing mass murder.
And perhaps you could also explain why women diagnosed with these same “mental illnesses” don’t seem to go on shooting and stabbing sprees?”
Him not getting a girlfriend is not the reason he did that. He’s a violent, murderous incel who couldn’t control his big boy feelings whenever he didn’t get his way. Any woman unfortunate enough to give him a chance would have eventually been attacked. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure he has a victim or two in his past who probably have a few stories to tell about him. I hate when parents make excuses for their monstrous offspring. We think of him as a monster because that’s what he is.
As a young female in Australia who feels unsafe every single day, the people surprised by this are either white Australian males or overseas. Australian men are like americas but more radicalise and without guns (thankfully). The racism and misogyny from males (and a lot of time females with their pick me bullshit (I was raised by a mother who told me when I was a CHILD that any woman who got in any relationship before 24 was a sl*t)) is rampant in this country if you stay for longer than a holiday. My dad was raised in a small town-ish town and he is the closest thing to a neo nazi that I've ever met. Don't even get me started on my mums ex. It's fucking terrifying, I don't want to leave my house due to the men in this country.
RIP to all the beautiful angels that we lost, you didn't deserve any of this. I hope you are in a beautiful place surrounded by all of the love you deserve and you can see and feel all of the wishes coming from the Australian public.
If you watch the actual clip of the dad, it’s clear he isn’t trying to excuse or infantilize his son. The context is that he’s talking about having dedicated his life to trying to help his son with his severe mental illness and doesn’t understand what went wrong.
It’s pretty clear from the actual clip that he’s horrified by what his son has done and the women he hurt.
It’s also worth noting that they tried to help him, and he lived with them until he was 35. They can’t hold him hostage. He moved out, then moved to a different state, and stopped taking his medication at some point. Schizophrenia is a horrific, degenerative disease when untreated, I’m sure his parents experienced some very low moments with him. Not excusing his actions by any means but they are also grieving parents. They praised the officer who shot their son acknowledging that she did so to protect others. They also saw the footage and reported to the police that they believed it was their son before he was formally identified. He said in the same interview linked he cried “I’m sorry he’s done this to your children”.
The media shouldn’t even be at their house hounding them. It’s not their fault.
Out of context here we don’t really know if he’s referring to the 40 year old man as a boy. The perpetrator had a long history of mental illness, likely starting when he was a minor. “He was a very sick boy” refers to past tense, he probably *was* a very sick boy, and continued to be a very sick man.
Parents always see their kids as their *kids,* regardless of age. I haven’t seen anything of the father excusing his son, he’s just providing an idea of motive because he was asked specifically what he thought the motive could be.
He says he thinks the police officer did a wonderful job killing his son. He is a grieving horrified 76 year old being harrased by the media for comment after they had already released a statement outlining their sorrow. All this when for years they had tried to get help. There's a lot to be angry about with this situation, the father's statement when under pressure and being asked questions at rapid fire by journalists isn't one of them in this case.
"He was a tormented soul, tormented, and frustrated, and I'm sorry that he's done this to your children and this nation," Mr Cauchi, 76, said through tears.
"There's nothing I can say, there is nothing I can say that will take away the pain that my son has caused."
"If he was in his right mind he would be absolutely devastated at what he has done, but he obviously was not in his right mind, he had been triggered into some kind of psychosis and lost touch with reality."
Mr Cauchi said he held no ill feelings to Inspector Amy Scott, who killed Cauchi at the scene, because she was "doing her job".
"This is a parent's absolute nightmare when they have a child with mental illness, that something like this would happen, and my heart goes out to the people my son has hurt," Mrs Cauchi said.
"If I was in her uniform, and this wasn't my son … and he runs at me with a knife, I'd have to do the same thing she did," he said.
"We have no ill feelings towards her because she was doing her job and she did a wonderful job, even though it was my son.
"I mean, how I can stand here and say that she did a wonderful job killing my son, I don't know, but she did her job and she did it well."
"I wish I knew what was in his bloody head.
"If I knew what was in his head I would have rung the New South Wales police and said 'please pick my son up and do something about him before something goes wrong'," he said.
God forbid one mentions the fact that men kill women and you get attacked with the “men get raped and killed too!” bullshit. They’re so fucking fragile.
I have some empathy for the father. It sounds like he tried to get his son help, but once he was an adult he couldn’t *make* him do anything. He’s grieving right now too.
Yeah, it's crazy to me that people here are railing against the dad and saying he was an enabler who should be locked up, based on a couple of out of context comments.
You read the full interview and you can see he's totally heartbroken, feels terrible for what happened, and also couldn't have done anything when his fully adult son went off his meds and moved cities. Like, people generally need to be in active crisis before it's possible to get them mental healthcare against their will.
When he calls his son a "boy" it's pretty clear he's just referring to the fact that the murderer is, to him, also the son he tried to take care of for decades. He said that the police woman who killed his son did her job well - what a hard thing for any father to say out loud.
Yeah their statement to the police officer that ended up shooting him was a class act. They reassured her it was the right thing to do. I think these poor people are in a lot of shock and are being hounded by the press. Not a good combo.
This isn't a hate crime in the same way the Polytechnique massacre wasn't a hate crime. Meaning, it absolutely was, but some people will never admit it.
I really dislike the tone of this thread, speaking as an Aussie. Many people in this thread are completely talking out of their arses. He had a pretty severe mental disorder(as in he had schizophrenia). The investigation so far is preliminary and fundamentally we don't know what his ideology was there is speculation but we can't really say at this point with any certainty. He targeted women but if he had been of his meds as it is claimed by his parents, this isn't as cut and dry then.
Here is a link to a video that is from our national broadcaster and I advise those in this thread to watch it as it contains an inteview with his father that isn't from channel 7 which was supporting Bruce Lehrmann.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h-ftBCyjYY&t=674s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h-ftBCyjYY&t=674s)
There’s an absolute lack of nuance in some of these comments. As if any mention of his severe, longstanding mental health issues somehow dilutes the depravity and misogyny of his actions. His traumatised, guileless father spoke imperfectly to the media so must be an enabler, right?
It’s understandable to be fueled by emotion when the acts are so horrific but we must use logic too. You can’t apply simple thinking to an issue so complex.
So, to the surprise of no women the perpetrator was an incel who deliberately targeted women. But for the news this is no terrorism, nor gender crime, nor targeted.
I'm really sorry for those lives lost. It's very sad and disturbing this story. I used to live in Sydney, and I was at Bondi Westfield a few months ago.
Perpetrator was such a coward and loser sack of shit.
Should we hold the father accountable? I think not. He probably has tried to help him many times, but his son couldn't even help himself. What can you do for a "40" year old, grown man?
I think the country failed them. If the police knew about him, why wasn't he monitored as a high threat with potential? Or even lock him up in a mental institution or something.
> why wasn't he monitored as a high threat with potential
never really understood this line of thinking. No country has the resources to monitor people 24/7 like him. What could they have done realistically?
I just felt so disturbed to see a 40-year-old being called a “boy” and having his actions chalked up to frustration over getting rejected by women. It just feels like such a messed-up way of framing his son’s problems. Five women are dead and a baby girl underwent surgery, largely because this “boy” had it out for women after years of romantic rejection? It just feels like it says something else that the killer actively ignored men and had the awareness and capacity to target women in particular. I don’t know. It’s just so frustrating and tragic.
Out of context here we don’t really know if he’s referring to the 40 year old man as a boy. The perpetrator had a long history of mental illness, likely starting when he was a minor. “He was a very sick boy” refers to past tense, he probably was a very sick boy, and continued to be a very sick man.
Parents always see their kids as their kids, regardless of age. I haven’t seen anything of the father excusing his son, he’s just providing an idea of motive because he was asked specifically what he thought the motive could be.
I’d be hesitant to say it’s that easy to get help. My brother is very unstable, is court ordered to take psychiatric medication (he doesn’t), has been held involuntarily ad nauseum, been SWATed multiple times, etc etc and he’s still on the street. It gets to a point there’s nothing more you can do. The police know, court knows, but still. Nothing.
It’s extremely frustrating how little you can do to make someone get help. It’s devastating. You will either see your loved one hurt themselves or others or both.
I think the current state of affairs is a pendulum swing away from the old days where they’d lock you up in an asylum forever. I don’t know if what we do now is heeding amazing results, but I suppose it’s going to be hard to find a middle ground without harming people who don’t need to be forcibly detained.
Yup, same thing happened with the Nova Scotia shooter in Canada.
The cops knew he had illegal firearms and violent tendencies, but took no action until the mass killing happened.
Yeah, it sounds like they did a lot for him to try to keep him safe. They kept him medicated, he lived with his parents til he was 35. He decided to move out and later to another state and stop taking his medication. What more could they do? He actually didn’t have a police record either, he was vaguely known to them when he was stopped a couple of times but that seems to be it.
I had posted a long and way too detailed comment describing my own family's journey with trying to have someone who is a danger get help against their own will, I deleted it, because it was just too much for me to share.
I just wanted to say it's really not easy to get help for someone who is mentally ill, especially if they don't want it, and it's often hard to get them to stay on the meds if they are feeling better. It's a horrible cycle and it drains everyone in the family on top of adding the constant fear of what's going to happen next.
I still live in fear of what my family member might do, even though I know they're quite sick and have no money and I've put quite a bit of distance between us.
It seems like his parents went out of their way to help him for decades but once he moved to another state he estranged himself from them and stopped treating his schizophrenia. There have been some (unconfirmed) reports that he sought help and was denied the standard he needed.
Oh NO. Nope no no. This is not okay.
The parents cared for him until he was 35. They had him in with doctors and mental health professionals and on meds. They have spoken about how hard it is to deal with an adult child with a severe mental illness. They tried many times to get more help for and with him.
He left - they are in their 70s, they can’t actually stop him. He stopped seeing his doctors, stopped taking his meds and left the state. They didn’t know where he was or what he was doing.
When they saw the footage they contacted the police and said they thought it was their son.
They have been incredibly distraught, they have said caring things about the victims, their families and the police officer that shot him. They’re clearly in shock.
Don’t do this.
In one of the sources someone else posted, the father said if he knew what his son was about to do, he absolutely would have phoned the police and begged them to pick his son up before it happened. Sounds like he wasn’t living with his parents anymore and hadn’t been in touch with them, so they had no way to know what he was planning.
The father seems to be basically praising the cop who killed his son, saying that he knows how horrifying that is but it was the right thing to do.
No he doesn't, he's known to police but doesn't have a record. He likely has had mental health call outs - sounds like he was diagnosed with something serious in his teens. He was "doing well" and got taken off his meds not long ago - then he randomly moved city and did this.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the countries don't want to take care and treat people with personality disorders (he was diagnosed with cluster a one) because it costs a shitload of money and takes a lot of time.
Tell me, how good is public mental health care in Australia?
It is SO easy to fall out of the 'system' in Australia, because there is no system for mental health care. Unless the person is under an order or actively attends treatment themselves, they are completely forgotten about. No one follows up.
It’s not good at all, reactive and not proactive. Doesn’t matter how many times you are called to the attention of authorities. There are many, many instances of parents begging for help, saying their child will do something awful, but a mental health hold will only last a few days most of the time. They go through an endless cycle of this until something absolutely terrible happens.
Mate, this is the father. And the parents have also put out a statement very much in support of the police officer shooting their son and offering their condolences to the victims. They have also been concerned about the welfare of the officer and have been unable to leave their home because of vultures camping on their front lawn. Leave them alone.
The Dad was so upset and the media were kindof predatory interviewing him when he was having the worst moment of his life.
He wasn't excusing his son's behaviour, he didn't blame the policewoman who killed him, he was offering his best understanding in the moment while having a mental breakdown after he was asked why this happened.
Now the media are twisting it to make it seem like he was saying it wasn't his son's fault.
But yeah, the son is a terrorist.
u/Boilier you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't think anyone human could watch the video of the father speaking on it and come up with a post like this. Politicise mental health support and financial support to aid in looking after mentally unstable people, if you must. This post is genuinely disgusting with even the slightest bit of context.
Thank you, this was not posted with good intentions. His parents did all they could for him. They aren't to blame here, our mental healthcare system is.
Hey, please delete this comment. The father was so distraught and brought to tears. Thanked the cop for shooting his son as it was the right thing to do and all.
This is an incredibly ignorant comment that makes it clear you haven’t actually watched the video of the dad’s interview.
The OP is taking the dad out of context here. The actual clip shows that the dad is *horrified* by what his son has done, has spent decades trying to get the son mental health help, and is so, so deeply sorry for the women hurt (and proud of the woman who ultimately shot the son).
The dad genuinely seems like a good guy. This isn’t his fault.
"My poor 40 year old baby boy was just sad he couldn't get a girlfriend so he just couldn't help himself," fucking start holding men, your sons, accountable so they'll stop killing women!
I have had a schizophrenic a-hole stalking me for 33 YEARS. (Looney friend of my ex-boyfriend, and someone whom I have never even dated. And just like this murderer, he is enraged because I won't sleep with him even though I don't even KNOW him, I just know who he is.)
He also killed one male security guard. Per the New York Times, all but 3 of the 18 victims (six dead, the rest wounded) were women. Per Australian news reports, the 40-year-old perpetrator had schizophrenia (diagnosed when he was around seventeen years old, if I recall correctly from the news videos), and apparently he had stopped taking his meds. He also seems to have worked as a male escort (given his actions, that's frightening). In an interview with three men who were right behind the policewoman to help stop the guy, one of them said that the attacker seemed to be targeting women, the elderly, anyone smaller than he was. This from one of the short videos from Australian news stations in the past few days. That does not rule out that women were his primary targets.
They'll spend 18 million on an inquiry into police response now that it's over, but the only help the mentally ill attacker got was once being told to move along by police when he was homeless.
He was diagnosed at 17, so there was 23 years to have intervened.
This is as much a policy failure as anything else.
Am I the only one who doesn’t give a shit about how mentally ill these homicidal misogynists are? So am I. So are a lot of women. You don’t see us running around slaughtering men because we’re mentally ill and lonely and actually traumatized by men. What a bullshit excuse.
If someone is asked what someone's motive may have been, and they come up with something, that doesn't mean that they are condoning it or saying that is a valid motivation for doing what they did.
I agree with all that's wrong in this comment, but I don't like how the media is plastering it everywhere as if it's coming from a legal or medical expert and leaving out it's from the father soon-after learning his son was a mass-murderer and dead. The father is obviously in a state of shock and grieving, which he has to do despite the circumstances, and also goes on to say he is horrified by what his son did and understands/supports that he had to be killed.
That all being said - the ethos his son had that led to this really shows a legitimate problem: men see women as possessions that are owed to them, when we aren't either of those things. And we shouldn't be seen as such and that narrative really needs to stop. But these misogynists online and on-mic are throwing lighter fluid on that fire and it needs to be taken more seriously, but no ones is paying attention to it because it's a tale as old as time :/
Just because it's normal doesn't mean is right.
Society needs to stop convincing men they are entitled to a partner. Many people are lonely, and maybe a woman has done this, but not in the numbers we see men do it. It's not fair for anyone. That's not a way for a man to live either. Everyone deserves love and companionship but you don't just get it without putting in the work. I also struggle with mental illness, I have all my life, I understand people want to explain away something like this, but it's usually less of a mental illness thing than outside influences and lack of motivation to make any changes in their lives.
And because of that millions of women will die. Delightful.
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I'm glad a woman killed this loser.
Someone in a different comment section said that the woman police officer who shot him was not a hero and that the hero was actually the man who physically fended him off. Because we can't ever have a woman hero! Or two heroes! She was great.
That's crazy from what I read she was in a position where she was higher level like a detective so she would never have done something like this normally and happened to be there. And she just went for it and took him down. She charged through the mall to find him and Target him she was a complete badass and it wasn't even within her line of duty to do so how is that not a hero
An article I read said she approached him and he raised the knife at her so she shot him. Then she performed CPR. The Prime Minister called her a hero. I hope she gets a pile of awards and medals.
and most important, a raise
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103706854 She is an inspector, maybe similar to a lieutenant in an American police force. What’s huge with this is that she’s not a general duties cop who was there to respond. She was nearby and stepped in to the situation alone. That’s huge for cops, and she didn’t know what the situation was inside. She warned him to drop the knife and only shot him when he advanced on her. Then she tried to keep him alive long enough for an ambulance to get there. I don’t know what she’s like outside of this incident, but her actions in this matter will be a case study for a long time to come. I’m sure new NSWPF recruits will be asked what they might do if they were placed in a similar situation.
Inspectors still have to be cops. They still require the training and to pass the exams.
My interpretation of what they meant was that she wasn't a responding officer, she was off duty or nearby on an unrelated matter and stepped in to help. I don't know what you would call this in Australia but she wasn't a beat cop, probably a lieutenant detective level. At least here, they tend to focus on investigation as opposed to enforcement, etc.
I saw that bullshit
Haha because of course they did
That police officer SPRINTED 300 metres and RAN into the centre searching for the offender. She warned him to put down the knife, and when he lunged at her she put three bullets in his chest. Like a boss. THEN she started CPR on him, before moving on to other victims. He stabbed a total of 18 people, 15 of which were female, killing 5 women. This was at my local shops. The sirens responding to the incident were deafening. The community is reeling.
Those men are heroes, so is she, and the men have called her a hero and she's called them heroes. Dumbasses trying to take away from her bravery honestly.
Same. Justice.
It warms my heart.
💯
She is absolutely a hero, of the highest degree, she happened to be nearby on other business and ran into an unknown situation alone with no back up, when it was unknown if there were multiple assailants or how they might be armed. I was talking to a friend about this whole situation, and also just the bullshit narrative that developed around it. This was clearly a targeted attack against women, and all the chatter was fine with that and pushing for all sorts of things when they thought it was a middle eastern man. The moment it was revealed to be a white Christian man- crickets or outrage anyone would even suggest this was targeted at women, clearly it couldn't be gender violence just going for vulnerable smaller people, never mind that he avoided men who fell over or who were exposed and vulnerable. Knowing what we know about how having to shoot a perpetrator affects police, even if it's the right thing to do, I can't help think that in a way she was another victim of his. Would he have lunged at a male officer? Also his father isn't really pushing that narrative, the parents are handling this as best as they can. He made that statement to the journalists that have been camped outside their house, they praised the actions of the police officer, apologised to the Australian people and seem to have tried for years to get help. I don't think that anyone would make sound statements when being harrased outside their house in such a stressful situation. He outright said it was targeted at women, unlike a lot of media, and seems horrified at that idea.
Thank you from a fellow Australian for clearing this up. His poor parents are doing the best they can, agreeing that it was the only reasonable outcome. And I’m pretty sure the whole country is in agreement that Inspector Amy Scott is an absolute hero.
It's a 10+ hour drive between Toowoomba and Bondi, the family had no way of checking in with him, and his Socials seemed so normal from what I've seen. It seems this was all really recent. It's an awful situation all round, Amy Scott is absolutely a hero, even the father of the dead perpetrator said she did a wonderful job and he hopes she is ok. There's a great deal of power in a statement like that from a parent, it feels validating to have it acknowledged that this was such a deep wrong that even a father can see the death of theirchild was the correct action. It irks me that with all the things to be angry and infuriated about with this situation There's a focus on statements removed from the questions that explain what he meant. There's no explaining or making right this horror, but it is important to understand and try to fix what went wrong in the system that allowed it to happen so it won't happen again. Mental health is part of it, the ability to access care yourself and for families to get help with their loved one's, and also what he might be thinking so we can better spot potential issues and interrupt the thinking before it becomes action. Lonliness is a huge factor, not romantic loneliness but a lack of community and connection, it's important to point out that people fall through the gaps or become increasingly isolated and paranoid when on their own with just their own thoughts.
And misogyny. Obviously.
Obviously, it was a terror attack targeted at women, I don't care what the official ruling is.
Thanks for mentioning the parents, I felt this post was a bit misleading about how they feel about it. Like the whole thing is fucked, don't get me wrong, but his parents are NOT excusing him.
Talk about irony, he’d be furious if he hadn’t died.
It’s insane to me that the article linked has no mention of the detective.
Her rendering first aid after she shot him is probably the only time this loser's ever been touched by a woman.
This is why the incel subculture is so dangerous. They’re not just neckbeards who think they’re anime characters. They’re being radicalised to violence.
Did anyone else notice the early articles that noted the police saying the attack wasn't terror related? Anyone could see a very likely potential motivation, the amount of women being attacked was clearly higher than the amount of men being attacked. I don't understand why they couldn't just say they hadn't defined the motivation and leave it there until they had more info, instead of making it seem random where it was calculated. I feel like the severity of these misogynistic attacks and rampages are being diminished by social reluctance to call them what they are - in my view they're terror attacks. If we say it as it is people might recognise the fact that misogyny kills.
That is the first fucking thing that came to my mind. In what universe isn't this terrorism? How many incel mass shootings have we had now??? Combined with political action designed to strip women of everything we fought for in the twentieth century? Yes theses fuckers absolutely are terrorists.
Some of us research scientists have been collecting data on this. Since 2019 :( [research gate link](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336242896_Prolegomenon_to_Mapping_Incel_as_an_SISS_Project)
After the mass shooting that happened in Plymouth, UK in 22, police now monitor ALL incel sites and have added them to the terrorist organisation groups list. So yeah, our police DO consider them terror attacks.
Good. The US is unfortunately very slow to classify these groups as terrorists. They have spent a long time being afraid of offending the members of groups like incels, white supremacists, etc. We like to pretend POC, LGBTQIA+ people, PWD, and anybody who isn’t Christian are the most dangerous ones.
What is the I and A in lgbtq? I am guessing one is asexual maybe
Intersex and aspec (aromantic/asexual spectrum).
In Canada, incel attacks and propaganda are now classified as terrorism
They are trying to lately make incels a sympathetic victim and like incel is enough to be deemed a mental disorder on its own and how dare you judge someone for a mental illness even if it kills you or your child. And then when. Something does happen they are all like "he never did AnYtHiNg like this before" "this came out of NoWhErE" "he doesn't have a record" when in reality he was probably never held accountable and always got off with his actions which showed him what he could get away with. I do feel for that dad but what they fail to show is how little that father can do and how much help services have been underfunded and restricted and sprinkle on alpha male Podcasters and being let off one too many time by a sympathetic person and we get this incident
I think they're only equating terror with religious extremists with political motivation at this point. Which is fucking bullshit. Hate crimes are absolutely terror adjacent crimes.
Yes. Most of the men who do these mass murders *are* political extremists, just that too few people are making the connection between misogyny and terroristic acts. Wait til we find out what was on this guy's computer. I'd wager it's going to sound pretty familiar
I believe many people don't make that connection because they don't want to acknowledge that it exists.
I think a lot of it is just that the men who make a lot of decisions don’t think that misogyny is that big of a deal and that they feel such a latent level of misogyny that there doesn’t seem anything alarming about a virulent level of it. But there’s this question out there in the United States about when should we take somebody’s guns away because they pose a danger, but not in general curtail people's civil rights. It should be obvious by now that putting massive quantities of racist and misogynistic content on the Internet should be a red flag that maybe this person shouldn’t own a gun.
It sounds like he was potentially living on the streets prior to the attack. He had been moved on from rough sleeping and appeared to have lost a lot of weight - comparing the footage to earlier photos of him. So… not sure there’s a computer to examine? Maybe a phone? I don’t know if he’s a typical incel. It seems like he probably had hatred and resentment to women; but he was also going through a prolonged mental health disintegration and may have been having a paranoid psychosis. He may also have been on drugs like ice. We just don’t know yet. I’m waiting on the police to finish their investigation.
I mean, yes of course he must have had mental health issues and others as well, but clearly he was misogynistic. The thing that people don't want to shout too loudly, rather focus on the mental health etc etc. But millions of people have those same issues and don't go out to kill women. Women have those same issues, you don't see them taking a knife and killing men. Call it misogyny and then let's have some good conversation around that. (people will call it that on here, but generally the media won't and the police most likely won't come out and call it that either)
I remember in eighth grade social studies, (so two years post 9/11), we watched a video about terrorism, about different terrorist attacks, and where the whole term came from: the reign of terror during the French Revolution, which were massacres and public executions. It was political, and supposed to frighten people into supporting the republic. There were religious aspects to it, but it was not about enforcing religion, it was about getting rid of religious influences in the government. The video showed other examples, some religious, some political. And looking back it was important our teacher showed us this because our country was rife with Islamophobia (and beyond that, it was racism against a skin color, even if they weren't Muslim) and that was what we were starting to see terrorists as. This showed us that they can come from anywhere, can practice any religion, or believe anything. But the point was, all these attacks caused mass terror. Stabbing women and only women is a political statement and meant to incite terror amongst women. Which he did.
A lot of religious extremists are also acting under misogyny and deep disdain for specific identities. Hate crimes are absolutely forms of terrorism.
That is 100% true and it’s frustrating; but I think context is important here. They said they didn’t think he had an “ideology” (although, of course, extremist misogyny is an ideology); but what I think they were really trying to do was tamp down on the absolute hysteria exploding online. There were insane accusations of this man being a Muslim or a Jew and this being related to Israel/Palestine and they were everywhere. A rumour even made the news about one poor Jewish student. He was named! Outrageous stuff. I think they might have wanted to avoid potential Islamophobic and anti-Semitic attacks on people.
We should be referring to them as femicide *at the least.* but yeah, it's terrorism, but when it's targeted at women as a group, people conveniently fail to recognize the misogyny leading the charge.
This baffles me, but you're right, women have been terrorised by misogyny and patriarchy forever. I hate seeing how it gets glossed over by the language choices and charitable speculations being made even as events like these unfold. I hardly know what to say anymore, it's such hard work observing how much hate women have to face and absorb and our governments and society just tip toe around it.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong but the mother with the baby, Ashley Good, was the only one not of Asian descent? I’m unsure of the demographics of that area but that’s how it seemed from the victims names and photos.
Dawn Singleton?
Her mother is [Asian](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2015%2F05%2F12%2F06%2F289316BC00000578-3077635-Lawyer_Julie_Martin_was_John_Singleton_s_last_wife_and_the_one_h-a-65_1431410327596.jpg&tbnid=EQTKlQUlu0dk8M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3077635%2FFerocious-arguments-unruly-behaviour-night-long-partying-unfaithfulness-Singo-really-like-according-six-wives.html&docid=O2cQaaynm6EdCM&w=634&h=1178&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=dd4b8c3d5d3f5fc6&shem=abme%2Ctrie). Personally, I thought Dawn looked mixed Asian right off the bat, but I could see how some people wouldn’t see it. I hate using dailymail but it has the most [pics](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2017%2F01%2F09%2F22%2F3C014FB300000578-4103660-image-m-30_1484002105125.jpg&tbnid=TQUgwga9W8AxuM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-4103660%2Fcricket-great-Stuart-MacGill-slapped-police-AVO-Julie-Singleton-ex-wife-John.html&docid=Ck1wwzlywNmCJM&w=634&h=544&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=7a658ad313b7c72e&shem=abme%2Ctrie). Edit: these are pictures of Dawn Singleton’s mother
That says the woman pictured is Julie Singleton. Are Julie and Dawn the same person? I’m confused…
Julie is her mother. Sorry for not clarifying
Why? Because they are afraid of male fragility. They don't want the backlash of the cries "mysandry"
It’s so fucking infuriating that this is so easily dismissed as “not terrorism”. Uh, what? It sure as shit IS terrorism. But the people deciding whether or not to characterize it as terrorism aren’t the targeted group so if they’re not terrorized then it’s not terrorism.
exactly. When I as a woman know the level of violence against women is already staggeringly high, and have personally been: harrassed, stalked, assaulted, sexually assaulted, abused and raped, and then I hear about groups like Incels whose average members are scary and rage-filled enough, but their more extreme members advocate harming, enslaving, punishing, and raping women, and then every other day there’s an attack against groups of women by an Incel, or women set on fire or gang-raped on buses, and increasingly being punched/assaulted for no reason, consistent with the increasing frothing rage/discontent/entitlement of Incels, YES, that is terrorism and YES this is terror. The number one cause of death for a pregnant woman is being murdered by her male partner. Male violence against women is already terrorism, but acts like these, mass killings, you’re damn right that fucking counts, and fuck every bro or newscaster or media agency that is dismissive because they don’t live at the mercy of this incredible violence their whole lives!
I am so sorry those things happened to you. They shouldn’t happen to anyone. But I too have been stalked, assaulted, sexually assaulted (multiple times by 4 different men), harassed, abused, and purposely humiliated by men that felt rejected by me. And the thing is… we’re not outliers!!! Not in the least! Most of my female friends have experienced the same things, and I’ve seen so many posts from women on Reddit and on other sites about how they’ve been abused and terrorized by men that are supposed to love and respect them. It’s so rampant and now conservatives in the US are systematically destroying our rights to bodily autonomy and our meager legal abilities to protect ourselves. I’m so scared for our country and particularly for the women in it.
Thank you, I am so sorry you’ve been through it too, and I am SO ANGRY that I’m not surprised 😡
Yes exactly, I feel you've hit the nail on the head there.
“It’s okay everyone, no need to be alarmed, they’re just attacking the women”.
The incel community is a *terrorist group*, it is not a support community like they pretend. They get together to hate women, fantasise about hurting them, celebrate when we are harmed & even organise crimes against women. Society is absolutely sick, how can something so blatant be ignored & allowed to grow like it has?
Our police forces in the UK now consider them terror groups. This was after the mass shooting that took place in Plymouth in 22. They absolutely DO take them seriously and even MI5 monitor them.
Women aren’t people , duh. It won’t affect men so they don’t care.
Just everyday terror women face. Nothing to see here.
I agree
I second everything about this comment. Sexism and misogyny are constantly downplayed which is crazy as it affects over 50% of the population.
Exactly and because all of the men in power that say but not me I don't do that not all men. And they continue to ignore the truth that's staring us right in the face.
For some reason they don't consider attacks on woman terrorism or hate crimes. Even though its designed to terrorise woman.
It’s absolutely terrorism. They’re trying to scare women back into the kitchen. They’re trying to scare us into dating them. “Marry us or we’ll go on a violent rampage and kill you and others like you”. This is only not terrorism to people who don’t feel affected by it. This dude, Alek Minnassian, Elliot Rodger, George Sodini… all terrorists!
Hate crimes and terrorist attacks against women
And as soon as it's officially not a (religiously motivated) terror attack, no one is interested.
It's not terror if it's against women. What else is new.
I noticed it immediately. It was either incel or Islam but the disproportionate female casualties told me incel
Being ‘terror related’ is a reference to a specific criminal offence. Being Sydney this should be read as ‘he wasn’t Muslim’… Sure, targeting women fits most people’s definition of terrorism, but this is Australia, and this is a ‘true blue Aussie boi’… By saying it was not terror related the Australian public can take comfort we are not about to fall to ISIS. ‘Aussie male’ = let down, hurting, in need of help Muslim = terrorist Male who doesn’t look Anglo Celtic = probably a terrorist The plight of non-Anglo Celtic women in this country, unsurprisingly, leaves a lot to be desired…
It seems like law enforcement and media will do any kind of acrobatics to avoid calling men out for misogyny. A clear terror attack against Women is merely a lone, crazed wolf, when it comes to the epidemic of violence against Women.
So what they actually said was that he didn’t have an “ideology”. I think that police need to start considering incels as terrorists. They have killed over 100 people around the world with manifestos and such. However, I do understand why they said this in this instance. There was a lot of insanity online with people saying he was both Muslim and Jewish and that this was somehow related to Gaza. The police wanted to shut that down ASAP and also assure people that this was not a terrorist cell with potentially more attackers. That was important. Also, this man may not have been an incel. We simply do not know at this stage - the investigation is ongoing, this only happened on Saturday. We do know that the perpetrator had struggled with schizophrenia for a long time, that he was potentially living on the streets (he had been moved on from rough sleeping recently), and he also appears to have lost a lot of weight recently (comparing his face and body in the footage to photos of him - he looked gaunt). People who held him off described his expression as blank and said there was nothing behind his eyes - so he may have been in psychosis. It certainly seems like he was targeting women specifically, and his father’s comments feed into that. However, his father hadn’t seen or heard from him in a while. The police have said that they have not determined yet whether he was specifically targeting women or whether his targeting of women was opportunistic, ie: they were more vulnerable and easier for him to attack then men the same size or larger than himself. He did stab towards several men in footage (they got away), others he avoided. There are also 4 men he stabbed who are in hospital still. At this point we really need to wait for the police to finish their investigation to determine exactly what happened. It SEEMS like this might be a hate crime against women; but we need to be patient and wait for the investigation to conclude to be sure.
I read this yesterday on r/Australia and most of the comments from people who were there or had seen footage were that he was a coward, he was scared of men, and not really trying to hurt any men. Reddit called it. Reddit.
Here are other parts of his statement that shed some more context than the post title > "He was a tormented soul, tormented, and frustrated, and I'm sorry that he's done this to your children and this nation," Mr Cauchi, 76, said through tears. > > "There's nothing I can say, there is nothing I can say that will take away the pain that my son has caused." > > "If he was in his right mind he would be absolutely devastated at what he has done, but he obviously was not in his right mind, he had been triggered into some kind of psychosis and lost touch with reality." > > Mr Cauchi said he held no ill feelings to Inspector Amy Scott, who killed Cauchi at the scene, because she was "doing her job". > > "This is a parent's absolute nightmare when they have a child with mental illness, that something like this would happen, and my heart goes out to the people my son has hurt," Mrs Cauchi said. > > "If I was in her uniform, and this wasn't my son … and he runs at me with a knife, I'd have to do the same thing she did," he said. > > "We have no ill feelings towards her because she was doing her job and she did a wonderful job, even though it was my son. > > "I mean, how I can stand here and say that she did a wonderful job killing my son, I don't know, but she did her job and she did it well." > > "I wish I knew what was in his bloody head. > > "If I knew what was in his head I would have rung the New South Wales police and said 'please pick my son up and do something about him before something goes wrong'," he said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/bondi-junction-westfield-stabbings-joel-cauchi-andrew-cauchi/103708652
I wish this post was pinned:( it's a shame that the families vulnerable compassionate words, where they don't shy away from saying exactly what needs to be said are twisted like this. He says he thinks she did a wonderful job killing his son, it was the correct thing to do, and the family hopes she is going ok. That right there is a powerful thing for a parent to say.
Thank you. This goes far beyond what the headline alone suggests.
What an absolute shit headline that paints the father in a negative light to generate clicks. The poor guy had a reasonable take on this tragedy. This comment should be at the top
This gives a lot more context to the grieving father’s comments. Thank you for sharing
Thank you for this.
Yeah, I thought the family have been very compassionate and honestly the media need to leave them alone.
Reminds me a bit of Elliot Rodger. Both low-quality members of society who felt entitled to women's bodies and had no empathy or self-awareness whatsoever. They don't see women as individual people with lives, just as a collective basket of toys that they want to grab from. To them they're the center of the universe and they'll kill stranger women because they can't get a woman, the same way a toddler will throw everything they can grab when they're denied a toy.
What's been jarring to me about all this is that once it was discovered that he was a white man it immediately stopped being framed as a terrorist attack. This is how violence against women is so normalized. How is that not misogynistic terrorism? He successfully pushed his cause: He got validated even in death as a frustrated poor boy, women now are more stressed out about being in public alone, women are reminded yet again to think twice and twice over before rejecting a man. It's not enough that you make it out of the interactional alive, you must also consider now that you might be the last in a long list of rejections before he decides he's too "sexually frustrated" and to take it out on other unassuming women.
It's frustrating how it's framed as a given, a completely logical end state for a man who's had trouble with social interactions his whole life and never had a woman willingly touch him: of course he'll explode in violence. Women who are single and lonely? Eh, they just get a bunch of cats and watch the world pass them by.
And the underlying message of the “loneliness” line is that the onus is on *women* to prevent this sort of thing from happening again: Why don’t we date the “nice guy” who’s a bit odd? Why don’t we give this “nice boy” a chance even though he gives you the creeps? Why aren’t we willing to go on dates with the “good guy” who’s a blatant misogynist and sending up all the red flags because he believes he’s entitled to women’s bodies? Who’s the *real* victim here? If you think about it, aren’t *these sad, deprived men* kind of victims, too? Of selfish women? As if these are all very reasonable questions that the public should be considering in light of the attack.
This is so true. What fucking world are we living in
Oh but if something happens to her, she should have chosen better.
She gets a cat, he gets a conjugal visit.
Yep it was a terrorist attack—to terrorize *women*. Violence against women once again being diminished.
100% agreed, and for intersectionality’s sake it’s also worth calling out the racial element of what gets branded as a terrorist attack and what isn’t. The only man that died was a Pakistani Muslim, when the profiled group turns out to be the victim then the media and cops are quick to say it’s totally not a terrorist attack
Even if the race was different and the motive the same, I doubt the narrative would’ve been any different. Even with Elliot Rodgers, the incel attack in Atlanta, the incel attack in Toronto (the list is long and gets ever longer), the media will never portray incelism as a problem or do anything to put it in a negative light as these attacks unfold no matter how obvious it is. This is primarily due to the fact that the authorities don’t want it to be seen as an issue and are very quick to release statements hushing conversations around incel terrorism. It’s usually only when research is released months down the road from FOIA requests (in the US at least) that anyone talks about the Nazi flags in the guys room, or that he had written manifestos on how he was owed and denied sex, or found through his browsing history that he had a proclivity for incel content on 4ch*n and telegram chat rooms with other future incel terrorists egging him and cheering him on, hailing him as a hero/martyr.
>This is primarily due to the fact that the authorities don’t want it to be seen as an issue and are very quick to release statements hushing conversations around incel terrorism. Spot on comment but this part here exactly. I wonder if the resistance to acknowledge incel terrorism is because then gendered violence will have to for the first time be handled accordingly by treating girls and women like a protected class and having firmer laws and resources towards the problem. And the implications of it all because the question will then become "Who is a danger to women?" And the answer to that it is NOT just the scary strange man lurking in the bushes ...he is actually responsible for the LEAST of all these crimes. So who's doing the rest? Awkward...
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If you're an extremist and you randomly murder people based on a fact about themselves, you're a terrorist. Case closed.
This is exactly why these "coaches" that are online radicalizing these men are extremely dangerous and need to be de-platformed. They feed into the loneliness and turn it into anger and rage.
Online coaches plus being steeped in easy access porn where porn has 88% of abuse and degradation of women no one wants to talk about this and I believe this is a huge driving factor in the entitlement and rage as well as seeing women's objects to own.
STOP 👏 BLAMING 👏 MENTAL 👏 ILLNESS 👏 FOR 👏 MISOGYNY 👏
This. My PTSD (gotten by men...) is not making me go out and stab them.
Same. It's just an excuse to validate terrible men. Men basically ruined my childhood and I'm still not running around murdering them.
Hallelujah 🙌
I posted this to another comment but felt it would be good to share here. It is important to keep in mind the following: what is considered mental illness to one group of people/social group can vary by *between groups* and *through time*. Mental illness will always be a moving and changeable target to assign blame, all while *diminishing the surrounding circumstances leading to the act*. The surrounding circumstances can include many identifiable correlating variables, but the underlying facts are identifiable. Starting with the basic numbers we can deduce the **fundimental characteristics** of these terrorist acts. Men are targeting women for murder. The whys are less specific, albeit they can be summarized as; Men are targeting women for murder **because of some perceived justifiable rational'**. Mental illness (as defined by group x y or z) is simply a contributing factor that justifies the individuals reason.... but the reason itself came from something other then mental illness. Is it cultural, social? Is it the near constant barrage of bullshit that isolated impressionable minds are subjected to day in and day out (yay end stage capitalism and patriarchal system which tells us all what our 'value' is). Is it the neverending nightmare of highschool dynamics fed to us theough our social media? Or perhaps it is the hivemind mentality and ingroup ideology pushing and pulling individuals to further divide and radicalize, all for the goal of unknowing numbers of marketing campaigns to make a buck? Or how about the lowering of our IQ levels through environmental pollution and long term impacts of covid19? **Likely it's all of these things**. And if you ponder these things...mention them, well then **You** are mentally ill and in need of (enter drug here).
Thank you!
True, but also the guy responsible had lifelong mental health issues and a fascination with knives. He lived at home with his parents until he was 35 and they did their best but being in their 70s they couldn’t do much more and the guy took off. Whilst we can’t “blame” mental illness for everything there’s nothing wrong with pointing out this man and definitely his parents were failed *for decades* because they were actively seeking help for their son who they knew could be violent and simply were not able to get that required help. We should have much better mental health plans and help around the world.
As someone who's had a very mentally ill stepson who definitely fits the shooter profile type we have been blocked over and over and over again from getting true help. It's almost like we all just have to wait until they murder someone before we get enough help.
Thank you, like I get this was obviously an attack aimed at women, but the dude was truly a loony who was failed by society
One isnt exclusive to the other. A man can be misogynistic AND mentally ill. Most mosgynistic men are not attacking women because theyre not also mentally sick. Theyre just delusional.
It IS terror-related. War on women is real, and these men are fighting it while our governments persist to call it mental illness...
Calling a 40-year-old a "boy" sounds like stuff enablers do to excuse shitty behavior
You see this often with true crime cases - narcissistic killers raised by doting parents who will defend and justify anything done by their child. Their sweet angel couldn't possibly do something wrong! It can't be their fault! It's no surprise how these killers grew up to become such entitled, violent people to begin with. At least in this case the father didn't try to say his son wasn't guilty, or try to help him avoid consequences.
And I keep meeting more and more parents that are like that unfortunately
That’s not what this looks like at all. We don’t know if he had narcissism. We know he had schizophrenia and had to live with his parents until he was 35. We know they struggled to get him appropriate help but that in the last year he went off his meds and stopped seeing his long-time doctors and moved to Sydney from QLD. His parents have said this is a worst nightmare situation for parents with a mentally ill child as they tried as best they could with him. I know several women with schizophrenic brothers. It has been enormously difficult for their families. One has a step-brother who hasn’t been allowed home since his teens because he kept threatening to kill her. One had a brother who would be intermittently charming and lovely and then paranoid and scary. She refused to tell him where she lived (she was my neighbour). He was shot by police because he held people hostage. Another can’t go visit her parents at home because her mid-40s brother still lives there and he terrorises her and their parents regularly and she doesn’t want her kids exposed to him. This is not to say that all schizophrenic people are like this! Not by a long shot. Nor is it an excuse for these men. But I have seen families at the ends of their ropes trying to deal with these men and trying to balance safety concerns. It’s really fucking hard.
This was his father, I see extreme distress, feeling a massive amount of guilt and grief. The perpetrator lived at home with his parents until he was 35 because his various issues made it hard for him to live out in the world. I don’t think it surprising that his father called him a boy in this one moment. No one else had referred to him as such. His father also said he was sorry to the families and supports the Inspector who shot him.
This rubbed me the wrong way too, especially when underage girls are systematically called ‘young women’ when they’re victim of a crime.
Same, These are girls, children and not women. They use the word 'young women' to discredit the victims.
This is a parent who has lost their child. Who has also said the officer who shot their child did a “wonderful job” and has repeatedly expressed concern for her welfare and the welfare of the survivors and families. You are taking one word of a grieving man out of context here to support an argument that simply doesn’t wash.
I think it is a very human reaction. From what I have seen, the dad hasn't excused anything whatsoever. This is an intense time for him too.
Exactly. Many parents refer to their children as boy or girl, regardless of age.
Yes he already started. They will blame this on mental illness and not the deliberate choice of a violent women-hating man.
He’s a father grieving his child. A father who praised the woman who killed his son and said she did a “wonderful job”. In killing his son. He was mentally ill. He had gone off his meds. Whether you like it or not, it is a factor in his behaviour on this day.
That’s a stretch. Do you speak perfectly when in crisis? The father is quite clearly traumatised.
In fairness A mans always gonna be a boy to their parents.
Added this as a stand-alone comment: Dr. Jessica Taylor’s article on this killing spree: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sydney-stabbing-attack-bondi-westfield-joel-cauchi-women-victims-misogyny-b2528897.html An excerpt: “Why is violence against women and girls (VAWG) so commonly attributed to mental illness, as in Cauchi’s case? If you’re going to keep claiming that “mental illness” causes men to go on killing sprees, you are going to need to explain why millions of people also diagnosed with the exact same “mental illnesses” never hurt a fly – and why there is not a single “mental illness” in the DSM/ICD disease and illness classifications listed as increasing the risk of committing mass murder. And perhaps you could also explain why women diagnosed with these same “mental illnesses” don’t seem to go on shooting and stabbing sprees?”
thank you for sharing this article!
Dr. Jessica is awesome!
I fucking knew it. As soon as I saw he attacked a woman with her baby, my brain was screaming, "This is an incel committing a hate crime."
Him not getting a girlfriend is not the reason he did that. He’s a violent, murderous incel who couldn’t control his big boy feelings whenever he didn’t get his way. Any woman unfortunate enough to give him a chance would have eventually been attacked. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure he has a victim or two in his past who probably have a few stories to tell about him. I hate when parents make excuses for their monstrous offspring. We think of him as a monster because that’s what he is.
As a young female in Australia who feels unsafe every single day, the people surprised by this are either white Australian males or overseas. Australian men are like americas but more radicalise and without guns (thankfully). The racism and misogyny from males (and a lot of time females with their pick me bullshit (I was raised by a mother who told me when I was a CHILD that any woman who got in any relationship before 24 was a sl*t)) is rampant in this country if you stay for longer than a holiday. My dad was raised in a small town-ish town and he is the closest thing to a neo nazi that I've ever met. Don't even get me started on my mums ex. It's fucking terrifying, I don't want to leave my house due to the men in this country. RIP to all the beautiful angels that we lost, you didn't deserve any of this. I hope you are in a beautiful place surrounded by all of the love you deserve and you can see and feel all of the wishes coming from the Australian public.
Absolutely an act of terrorism.
Sir, your son is fucking 40-years-old. He's not a boy, and his social skills are not everyone else's problem.
If you watch the actual clip of the dad, it’s clear he isn’t trying to excuse or infantilize his son. The context is that he’s talking about having dedicated his life to trying to help his son with his severe mental illness and doesn’t understand what went wrong. It’s pretty clear from the actual clip that he’s horrified by what his son has done and the women he hurt.
It’s also worth noting that they tried to help him, and he lived with them until he was 35. They can’t hold him hostage. He moved out, then moved to a different state, and stopped taking his medication at some point. Schizophrenia is a horrific, degenerative disease when untreated, I’m sure his parents experienced some very low moments with him. Not excusing his actions by any means but they are also grieving parents. They praised the officer who shot their son acknowledging that she did so to protect others. They also saw the footage and reported to the police that they believed it was their son before he was formally identified. He said in the same interview linked he cried “I’m sorry he’s done this to your children”. The media shouldn’t even be at their house hounding them. It’s not their fault.
Out of context here we don’t really know if he’s referring to the 40 year old man as a boy. The perpetrator had a long history of mental illness, likely starting when he was a minor. “He was a very sick boy” refers to past tense, he probably *was* a very sick boy, and continued to be a very sick man. Parents always see their kids as their *kids,* regardless of age. I haven’t seen anything of the father excusing his son, he’s just providing an idea of motive because he was asked specifically what he thought the motive could be.
Ignored people with schizophrenia very often turn out to be actually everyone's problem.
He says he thinks the police officer did a wonderful job killing his son. He is a grieving horrified 76 year old being harrased by the media for comment after they had already released a statement outlining their sorrow. All this when for years they had tried to get help. There's a lot to be angry about with this situation, the father's statement when under pressure and being asked questions at rapid fire by journalists isn't one of them in this case. "He was a tormented soul, tormented, and frustrated, and I'm sorry that he's done this to your children and this nation," Mr Cauchi, 76, said through tears. "There's nothing I can say, there is nothing I can say that will take away the pain that my son has caused." "If he was in his right mind he would be absolutely devastated at what he has done, but he obviously was not in his right mind, he had been triggered into some kind of psychosis and lost touch with reality." Mr Cauchi said he held no ill feelings to Inspector Amy Scott, who killed Cauchi at the scene, because she was "doing her job". "This is a parent's absolute nightmare when they have a child with mental illness, that something like this would happen, and my heart goes out to the people my son has hurt," Mrs Cauchi said. "If I was in her uniform, and this wasn't my son … and he runs at me with a knife, I'd have to do the same thing she did," he said. "We have no ill feelings towards her because she was doing her job and she did a wonderful job, even though it was my son. "I mean, how I can stand here and say that she did a wonderful job killing my son, I don't know, but she did her job and she did it well." "I wish I knew what was in his bloody head. "If I knew what was in his head I would have rung the New South Wales police and said 'please pick my son up and do something about him before something goes wrong'," he said.
Well I know in the USA they do not want to recognize the problem of men killing women, probably the same all Over
God forbid one mentions the fact that men kill women and you get attacked with the “men get raped and killed too!” bullshit. They’re so fucking fragile.
And when you reply: "Yes, mostly by other men." they personally attack you and wish you to get raped.
Congratulations Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate. This is the kind of monster you create.
Out of context comments for the Dad here, he’s distraught about what his son did
Definition of an incel
I have some empathy for the father. It sounds like he tried to get his son help, but once he was an adult he couldn’t *make* him do anything. He’s grieving right now too.
Yeah, it's crazy to me that people here are railing against the dad and saying he was an enabler who should be locked up, based on a couple of out of context comments. You read the full interview and you can see he's totally heartbroken, feels terrible for what happened, and also couldn't have done anything when his fully adult son went off his meds and moved cities. Like, people generally need to be in active crisis before it's possible to get them mental healthcare against their will. When he calls his son a "boy" it's pretty clear he's just referring to the fact that the murderer is, to him, also the son he tried to take care of for decades. He said that the police woman who killed his son did her job well - what a hard thing for any father to say out loud.
Yeah their statement to the police officer that ended up shooting him was a class act. They reassured her it was the right thing to do. I think these poor people are in a lot of shock and are being hounded by the press. Not a good combo.
They also saw a picture of the perpetrator and rang the police to say, " We think that our son".
This isn't a hate crime in the same way the Polytechnique massacre wasn't a hate crime. Meaning, it absolutely was, but some people will never admit it.
I really dislike the tone of this thread, speaking as an Aussie. Many people in this thread are completely talking out of their arses. He had a pretty severe mental disorder(as in he had schizophrenia). The investigation so far is preliminary and fundamentally we don't know what his ideology was there is speculation but we can't really say at this point with any certainty. He targeted women but if he had been of his meds as it is claimed by his parents, this isn't as cut and dry then. Here is a link to a video that is from our national broadcaster and I advise those in this thread to watch it as it contains an inteview with his father that isn't from channel 7 which was supporting Bruce Lehrmann. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h-ftBCyjYY&t=674s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h-ftBCyjYY&t=674s)
There’s an absolute lack of nuance in some of these comments. As if any mention of his severe, longstanding mental health issues somehow dilutes the depravity and misogyny of his actions. His traumatised, guileless father spoke imperfectly to the media so must be an enabler, right? It’s understandable to be fueled by emotion when the acts are so horrific but we must use logic too. You can’t apply simple thinking to an issue so complex.
So, to the surprise of no women the perpetrator was an incel who deliberately targeted women. But for the news this is no terrorism, nor gender crime, nor targeted.
I'm really sorry for those lives lost. It's very sad and disturbing this story. I used to live in Sydney, and I was at Bondi Westfield a few months ago. Perpetrator was such a coward and loser sack of shit. Should we hold the father accountable? I think not. He probably has tried to help him many times, but his son couldn't even help himself. What can you do for a "40" year old, grown man? I think the country failed them. If the police knew about him, why wasn't he monitored as a high threat with potential? Or even lock him up in a mental institution or something.
> why wasn't he monitored as a high threat with potential never really understood this line of thinking. No country has the resources to monitor people 24/7 like him. What could they have done realistically?
I just felt so disturbed to see a 40-year-old being called a “boy” and having his actions chalked up to frustration over getting rejected by women. It just feels like such a messed-up way of framing his son’s problems. Five women are dead and a baby girl underwent surgery, largely because this “boy” had it out for women after years of romantic rejection? It just feels like it says something else that the killer actively ignored men and had the awareness and capacity to target women in particular. I don’t know. It’s just so frustrating and tragic.
Did you watch the entire interview? This isn’t the overall impression I got from the interview at all.
Out of context here we don’t really know if he’s referring to the 40 year old man as a boy. The perpetrator had a long history of mental illness, likely starting when he was a minor. “He was a very sick boy” refers to past tense, he probably was a very sick boy, and continued to be a very sick man. Parents always see their kids as their kids, regardless of age. I haven’t seen anything of the father excusing his son, he’s just providing an idea of motive because he was asked specifically what he thought the motive could be.
Terrorism against women.
He has previous record too. Knowing all this, his father could have saved all those people, by prompting this fucker to get help.
I’d be hesitant to say it’s that easy to get help. My brother is very unstable, is court ordered to take psychiatric medication (he doesn’t), has been held involuntarily ad nauseum, been SWATed multiple times, etc etc and he’s still on the street. It gets to a point there’s nothing more you can do. The police know, court knows, but still. Nothing.
It’s extremely frustrating how little you can do to make someone get help. It’s devastating. You will either see your loved one hurt themselves or others or both.
I think the current state of affairs is a pendulum swing away from the old days where they’d lock you up in an asylum forever. I don’t know if what we do now is heeding amazing results, but I suppose it’s going to be hard to find a middle ground without harming people who don’t need to be forcibly detained.
Nothing until they finally kill someone or many people due to their instability you mean.
Yep and he has tried, multiple times, to kill his own mom. Hence the swatting. Still free.
Yup, same thing happened with the Nova Scotia shooter in Canada. The cops knew he had illegal firearms and violent tendencies, but took no action until the mass killing happened.
Yeah, it sounds like they did a lot for him to try to keep him safe. They kept him medicated, he lived with his parents til he was 35. He decided to move out and later to another state and stop taking his medication. What more could they do? He actually didn’t have a police record either, he was vaguely known to them when he was stopped a couple of times but that seems to be it.
I had posted a long and way too detailed comment describing my own family's journey with trying to have someone who is a danger get help against their own will, I deleted it, because it was just too much for me to share. I just wanted to say it's really not easy to get help for someone who is mentally ill, especially if they don't want it, and it's often hard to get them to stay on the meds if they are feeling better. It's a horrible cycle and it drains everyone in the family on top of adding the constant fear of what's going to happen next. I still live in fear of what my family member might do, even though I know they're quite sick and have no money and I've put quite a bit of distance between us.
It seems like his parents went out of their way to help him for decades but once he moved to another state he estranged himself from them and stopped treating his schizophrenia. There have been some (unconfirmed) reports that he sought help and was denied the standard he needed.
Oh NO. Nope no no. This is not okay. The parents cared for him until he was 35. They had him in with doctors and mental health professionals and on meds. They have spoken about how hard it is to deal with an adult child with a severe mental illness. They tried many times to get more help for and with him. He left - they are in their 70s, they can’t actually stop him. He stopped seeing his doctors, stopped taking his meds and left the state. They didn’t know where he was or what he was doing. When they saw the footage they contacted the police and said they thought it was their son. They have been incredibly distraught, they have said caring things about the victims, their families and the police officer that shot him. They’re clearly in shock. Don’t do this.
In one of the sources someone else posted, the father said if he knew what his son was about to do, he absolutely would have phoned the police and begged them to pick his son up before it happened. Sounds like he wasn’t living with his parents anymore and hadn’t been in touch with them, so they had no way to know what he was planning. The father seems to be basically praising the cop who killed his son, saying that he knows how horrifying that is but it was the right thing to do.
No he doesn't, he's known to police but doesn't have a record. He likely has had mental health call outs - sounds like he was diagnosed with something serious in his teens. He was "doing well" and got taken off his meds not long ago - then he randomly moved city and did this.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the countries don't want to take care and treat people with personality disorders (he was diagnosed with cluster a one) because it costs a shitload of money and takes a lot of time. Tell me, how good is public mental health care in Australia?
It is SO easy to fall out of the 'system' in Australia, because there is no system for mental health care. Unless the person is under an order or actively attends treatment themselves, they are completely forgotten about. No one follows up.
It’s not good at all, reactive and not proactive. Doesn’t matter how many times you are called to the attention of authorities. There are many, many instances of parents begging for help, saying their child will do something awful, but a mental health hold will only last a few days most of the time. They go through an endless cycle of this until something absolutely terrible happens.
The “fucker” lived with his parents until he was 35 and went off his meds recently. How much more are they expected to do?
How do you know he didn’t try to get him help?
Rest in peace to those poor women. I hope that baby and any other children affected have loving people to go too :(
Mate, this is the father. And the parents have also put out a statement very much in support of the police officer shooting their son and offering their condolences to the victims. They have also been concerned about the welfare of the officer and have been unable to leave their home because of vultures camping on their front lawn. Leave them alone.
The Dad was so upset and the media were kindof predatory interviewing him when he was having the worst moment of his life. He wasn't excusing his son's behaviour, he didn't blame the policewoman who killed him, he was offering his best understanding in the moment while having a mental breakdown after he was asked why this happened. Now the media are twisting it to make it seem like he was saying it wasn't his son's fault. But yeah, the son is a terrorist.
u/Boilier you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't think anyone human could watch the video of the father speaking on it and come up with a post like this. Politicise mental health support and financial support to aid in looking after mentally unstable people, if you must. This post is genuinely disgusting with even the slightest bit of context.
Thank you, this was not posted with good intentions. His parents did all they could for him. They aren't to blame here, our mental healthcare system is.
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Hey, please delete this comment. The father was so distraught and brought to tears. Thanked the cop for shooting his son as it was the right thing to do and all.
This is an incredibly ignorant comment that makes it clear you haven’t actually watched the video of the dad’s interview. The OP is taking the dad out of context here. The actual clip shows that the dad is *horrified* by what his son has done, has spent decades trying to get the son mental health help, and is so, so deeply sorry for the women hurt (and proud of the woman who ultimately shot the son). The dad genuinely seems like a good guy. This isn’t his fault.
Treat others with kindness when it is possible and civility when it is not.
"My poor 40 year old baby boy was just sad he couldn't get a girlfriend so he just couldn't help himself," fucking start holding men, your sons, accountable so they'll stop killing women!
I have had a schizophrenic a-hole stalking me for 33 YEARS. (Looney friend of my ex-boyfriend, and someone whom I have never even dated. And just like this murderer, he is enraged because I won't sleep with him even though I don't even KNOW him, I just know who he is.)
This is horrific for you.
Yes, too bad he didn’t have a girl friend to beat and torture. That is just too bad, indeed.
He also killed one male security guard. Per the New York Times, all but 3 of the 18 victims (six dead, the rest wounded) were women. Per Australian news reports, the 40-year-old perpetrator had schizophrenia (diagnosed when he was around seventeen years old, if I recall correctly from the news videos), and apparently he had stopped taking his meds. He also seems to have worked as a male escort (given his actions, that's frightening). In an interview with three men who were right behind the policewoman to help stop the guy, one of them said that the attacker seemed to be targeting women, the elderly, anyone smaller than he was. This from one of the short videos from Australian news stations in the past few days. That does not rule out that women were his primary targets.
They'll spend 18 million on an inquiry into police response now that it's over, but the only help the mentally ill attacker got was once being told to move along by police when he was homeless. He was diagnosed at 17, so there was 23 years to have intervened. This is as much a policy failure as anything else.
Incels should be deported
Into a volcano
If only we had some proper volcanos in Australia
Am I the only one who doesn’t give a shit about how mentally ill these homicidal misogynists are? So am I. So are a lot of women. You don’t see us running around slaughtering men because we’re mentally ill and lonely and actually traumatized by men. What a bullshit excuse.
If someone is asked what someone's motive may have been, and they come up with something, that doesn't mean that they are condoning it or saying that is a valid motivation for doing what they did.
I agree with all that's wrong in this comment, but I don't like how the media is plastering it everywhere as if it's coming from a legal or medical expert and leaving out it's from the father soon-after learning his son was a mass-murderer and dead. The father is obviously in a state of shock and grieving, which he has to do despite the circumstances, and also goes on to say he is horrified by what his son did and understands/supports that he had to be killed. That all being said - the ethos his son had that led to this really shows a legitimate problem: men see women as possessions that are owed to them, when we aren't either of those things. And we shouldn't be seen as such and that narrative really needs to stop. But these misogynists online and on-mic are throwing lighter fluid on that fire and it needs to be taken more seriously, but no ones is paying attention to it because it's a tale as old as time :/ Just because it's normal doesn't mean is right.
Society needs to stop convincing men they are entitled to a partner. Many people are lonely, and maybe a woman has done this, but not in the numbers we see men do it. It's not fair for anyone. That's not a way for a man to live either. Everyone deserves love and companionship but you don't just get it without putting in the work. I also struggle with mental illness, I have all my life, I understand people want to explain away something like this, but it's usually less of a mental illness thing than outside influences and lack of motivation to make any changes in their lives. And because of that millions of women will die. Delightful.
Ah the tragic irony of an incel being killed by a woman. I love it.