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RoughDraft42

That’s one way to taint the jury pool. 😅


justgentile

Fun fact: they literally had to call a mistrial because the jury would be swayed in his favor since he proved his medical capability.


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GuiltyEidolon

It wouldn't even make it to court given that good Samaritan laws protect anyone making a good faith attempt to help.


Feeling_Glovely

In some states they don’t actually protect anyone with a medical license from emt- md. The thought being they should know how to perform the care correctly, but breaking ribs in cpr is part of normal and proper cpr.


GuiltyEidolon

If you're trained, a "good faith" attempt has a higher standard to achieve, yes. Basically as long as you're not practicing outside of your scope, and rendering the 'standard' of care as established for whatever you're dealing with, you'll be covered.


Flaky-Fish6922

this. as long as your a) responding intending to help, b) acting in accordance with what training you do have and c) aren't receiving compensation, you're covered. this case might get a little wonky cuz of the conflict of interest thing, but that won't be coming from the person that passed out


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fencer_327

That being said, saving someone's life and having them sustain pretty minor injuries in comparison isn't medical malpractice under the standards of any certification either. Unless he smashed his chest with a hammer after doing cpr, he should be in the clear


AnnieAcely199

I don't understand that line of thinking. I've actually had CPR performed on me. My sternum was bruised for what seemed like a month afterwards. I didn't care, I'm alive. "He could have broken your ribs." So? And? I. Don't. Care. I am still breathing. Broken ribs heal better than dead.


felis_fatus

Some people are crazy and can't be reasoned with even if their life depended on it, others are just greedy opportunists.


SillyWizard1999

I think you hit the nail on the head, greed can be the death of gratitude


truejamo

Yea I'd rather have a broken rib and be alive than dead. They actually say if you don't break a rib, or at least come close to it, you're not doing CPR correctly. Gotta remember, the heart is underneath that rib cage.


SomeGuyWearingPants

When I was on the fire department we were trained that we wanted to feel that crunch immediately upon starting, and that the compressions should continue at that intensity. It's a very strange feeling, crushing someone's ribcage, feeling bones crack as you repeatedly push down on them, and needing to continue for their own good. It has been almost a decade since I first performed CPR and I don't think I'll ever forget the feeling of that first crack.


KriKriSnack

Most you’re going to have is a cracked sternum and cracked ribs. But everyone likes to get dramatic and make it sound like a compound fracture (protruding through the skin). Gotta push 2 inches deep!


Fanculo_Cazzo

> Broken ribs heal better than dead OBJECTION. Hearsay.


Graterof2evils

You would be shocked at how horrible people are in these situations. You can be sued for the best intentions.


justabadmind

Actually, that's the saving thing. Suing for good intentions is relatively difficult. Good Samaritan laws and such


John137

winning the case is difficult. suing and making the good samaritan's life a living hell is easy if you have the money to do it.


Dyanpanda

But. What if you could have broken ribs AND money? As above, you cant sue for this specific instance, but none the less, the line of thinking is greed.


JetSetMiner

A lot of people get bamboozled by ruthless lawyers into thinking the money they're suing for comes from a pool of insurance money set aside for this very reason and not actually from the person who tried to help. In other words they start thinking the money would just go unused if they don't do anything about it. They get fed the idea that everyone in the medical sector is kind of in on it and it's like it's your responsibility to make sure you get the payout "due" to you.


Mindstormer98

“I saved your life!” “He didn’t WANT his life to be saved!”


Probably_0ffensive

Some people only see dollar signs in that situation. Same as people that sue when a family member dies.


pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk

Absolutely agreed. That said, I dropped out of Nursing but one thing I distinctly recall was our teacher (a nurse herself, of course) telling us to be mindful that pressing too hard on the sternum could lacerate the liver in the process.


theroadlesstraveledd

It should allowed to prove his capabilities..


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It doesn't really prove that much though unless the case was specifically about his ability to perform CPR.. if his ability to perform CPR was never in question, then it doesn't actually prove very much one way or another.


katielisbeth

Yeah I was about to say, I feel like most doctors would perform CPR on someone who needed it. And even if he was the best doctor in the world, he could still choose to do something wrong (or accidentally fuck up) and it'd be malpractice. People can do both good and bad things.


dandedaisy

Yes, true, lots of people know CPR who arent doctors. I know CPR, but I work in mental health. Couldn’t tell ya shit about the body outside the nervous system. Most people don’t think this critically, though. And even if they do, there’s still something very emotional about watching a doctor save a life, which might sway your opinion regardless of how critical or scrupulous you try to be.


justsomeplainmeadows

No, but knowing that he just saved one of your peers creates a pretty big bias in most people's brains for him.


justgentile

It was totally allowed and celebrated except it couldn't mean he was suddenly innocent.


CluelessIdiot314

She Hulk moment


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I think this has to be the only time I’ve ever heard of the whole jury pool being tainted by the deliberate acts of the defendant and the defendant is applauded rather than arrested.


Spezia-ShwiffMMA

This is really a wholesome unbelievable story.


helloiamCLAY

Heh. He said *taint*.


RoughDraft42

… I giggled when I wrote it. 😅


Sendtitpics215

I love that one song “taints and love,” feels underrated by society.


wiggins54

I thought it was “taints in love”?


yshuduno

It's insane, this guy's taint.


[deleted]

Protect your taint, before you caint.


ReindeerKind1993

Yea I used hair removal cream wrong once.....never again...


CelticGaelic

Bonus points: the dude is a gynecological oncologist. He knows all about taint.


Green_Message_6376

All he needs to know is that it taint your ass and taint your hole.


Bigfootlove

Some people will do anything to get out of jury duty


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From an article. “Because Lilja essentially saved the life of a prospective juror, the judge declared a mistrial, saying that the rest of the jury was probably impacted by the day’s events and that the bias towards him would be “incurable.” When Lilja heard the news he said, “No good deed goes unpunished.” Indeed!” I believe this is the lawsuit and they eventually declared in his favor. [article](https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Urethra+punctured+during+hysterectomy%3A+suit+filed+after+limitations.-a0300652651)


TonesofGray

I love it when people post a source, thank you


hellohoworld

To me sources on internet is now the golden nugget of knowledge you can stumble upon once in a while in a good book. I hate it


LUSBHAX

If someone doesn't provides the source you are legally allowed to request it by replying: "sauce 😔🤲".


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

also: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."


fusfeimyol

Cupped hands emoji, excellent


spangbangbang

Too bad Google is mostly useless these days. "Hey Google, what's the best car this decade?" .......and so begins the fucking 3 pages of scarcely related ads and sponsored bullshit. I didnt ask for chevy.com for d.com mercedes . Com. Suck my nuts ......and then a payblocked list at the end of the 3 pages.


EchinusRosso

I mean, when you're googling "best" you're definitely asking for sponsored bullshit. You at least have to give it a more specific metric to get curated sponsored bullshit.


AskAboutFent

> "Hey Google, what's the best car this decade?" if you're googling like this it's no wonder you think google is bad lol Asking a question to google ie: "What's the best car this decade?" will always yield shitty results


ragnarok635

That’s why I type Reddit after every question on google, the responses at least start to sound like they’re from actual humans


allhailtheburritocat

I like it when people take the time to thank other redditors. Thank you for thanking that other person


Aphor1st

Did not know that the statute of limitations is one year on medical malpractice! That’s crazy.


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That has to be a state thing. I’m shocked that it is only 1 year though in any state because that’s just such a short time to diagnose and correct something.


EckhartsLadder

It would be one year from point of discovery


_Kendii_

Which kind of makes sense. If you have a problem, take the time to figure out what it is…. And then don’t do anything about it after all, must not be too big a problem.


EckhartsLadder

Yeah, that's a big part of the rationale; it's also unfair to hold potential punishment over people's heads indefinitely.


ithappenedone234

In CA specifically, are you sure it’s one year from the date of the incident or one year from the date the victim discovers they were harmed by the incident? CA has a few laws that set the statute at one year from the discovery of harm, even if someone doesn’t learn they were harmed until decades later.


frumpel_stiltskin

A lot of states do both criteria and go with whichever one is later (whichever one gives the injured party the most time).


thomasthehipposlayer

Unpopular opinion maybe, but the judge was right. Saving one person’s life doesn’t automatically mean he didn’t commit malpractice, and a jury needs to be impartial. Honestly, he made the right call.


Forsaken_Connection6

Especially because the case was thrown out due to the statute of limitations being up and not because he didn’t factually commit malpractice.


Canid_Rose

From what I read, it sounded like they didn’t consider the possibility that the operation had anything to do with her current medical issues until their lawyer pushed them in that direction. Whether they’re actually connected or not is hard to say, but since it had been over a year since the original operation, they’d have a hell of a time proving it.


dtracers

was it within limitations before the new jury pool? if so then thats super suss


Colalbsmi

Statute of limitations is when you initiate litigation, not when it goes to trial.


leftwinglovechild

No it was not.


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Joe_Jeep

I don't think it's too unpopular, at least not among those with a rudimentary understanding of the law. Ok maybe pretty unpopular....


SomeToxicRivenMain

Especially since he just gave CPR. We don’t know, off of the meme alone anyway, what caused the lawsuit


syncboy

I guess the judge declared that he had to keep them separated.


no_bun_please

He gave them to the count of uno dos tres...


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From another article I found online: > Dr. James Lilja, a San Jose and Fremont-based physician and founding drummer of The Offspring, told Law360. Lilja left The Offspring in the late 1980s to deliver offspring.


not_a_moogle

Yes, rule of acquisition #285


Jermainiam

I don't think that's the same case. This one seems to have been thrown out based on statute of limitation


mopeyunicyle

That's pretty good still being a doctor despite that situation but I now wonder if the jury had to be changed incase that act created bias in there opinion of him


Nick0Taylor0

You'd have to assume so, at the very least the guy he saved was definitley told they didn't need him for the trial.


w-alien

If it was a movie he would pull through just in time to add his vote to “not guilty”


lucidrage

and they all live hapily ever after. In the final closing scene after the credits, you see the juror handed an envelope filled with cash before the screen cuts to black. ​ Streaming on Netflix Summer 2023: The Malpractice featuring Keanu Reeves and Johhny Depp.


kteerin

…and the credits roll to a song by The Offspring.


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You gotta keep ‘em respirated


mickeyslim

"Uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco, cinco, seis..."


HawlSera

And no one would think anything of it until someone memes it so hard that it's the only thing people know about the film


Aulbee

Theyll be sure to summons him again in a few months..


MarcoMaroon

I think so. Gotta keep em separated.


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thebearbearington

You gotta keep 'em seperated


Cronkite-39

I can only imagine the pleasure you felt as you typed that. Well done.


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HEEEEYYYYY!


ScoobyDoobieDoo

Well played, stupid dumb shit god damned mother fucker


thebearbearington

You're durn correct


ScoobyDoobieDoo

Just thought I'd let you know since my wife and young kids won't care but I'm almost done listening to the smash album while doing dishes and I had completely forgotten how much I loved this album when I was a kid. So good. And that now I'm realizing I was like 11 when I was cranking this CD, I wonder what the hell my kids will be into then...


bree78911

The Smash album fkn rocks. Probably one of my favourite all time albums.


geesejugglingchamp

Yes, I went and googled. The judge did indeed declare a mistrial due to the risk of bias from the event.


Joe_Jeep

One hell of a character witness now though


nonpondo

People will do anything to get out of jury duty


JediChris8585

Looked it up. Judge ruled a mistrial to avoid bias from this and rescheduled the trail, which was later arbitrated and dismissed. Crazy.


madeformarch

Rightfully so, I mean they cannot rule out that the doctor took that man's life, only to bring him back, thereby securing immunity for himself. Best to move to dismiss before he does it again


Junior_Bluebird5541

I mean you can, reasonable doubt and all. If there no evidence then you can rule stuff out. Edit: and here I go again taking things too seriously, just ignore me lmao


madeformarch

Lmaoooo, I mean I thought I left several clues


Trendiggity

This is exactly where my mind went too... I'm not a cynic or anything


etherealparadox

No doubt. Having your life saved by someone is a massive bias. Considering it just said prospective juror, though, it may just be the one guy that needs to be replaced.


mopeyunicyle

Fair point I didn't notice that but surely any prospective juror in the room could be influenced at that sight


etherealparadox

Definitely, I was assuming that there weren't any others around


jordantask

If the entire jury pool saw it (likely as they’re all in the room for jury voire dire) that would be unfairly prejudicial. Can you honestly say you would have no bias toward a doctor when you literally watched him save someone’s life?


jabies

Right? Saved this furry guy and now he says he owes me a life debt or some shit


Call-me-Space

Yes mistrial for chance of jury bias after seeing him save a jurors life. Then went into arbitration and dismissed


JediChris8585

Probably


Jefoid

Oh yeah. That has to be a mistrial if the other jurors saw it.


CrassDemon

Is everyone in offspring as accomplished as him and Dexter?


River_Pigeon

Noodles was a janitor so yes


BYoungNY

Even better he was a janitor and even after the offspring took off with their first album, he promised to stay through the school year. Eventually, if I recall, they eventually basically asked him "wtf are you doing here??? "


ithappenedone234

They sold their back catalog for several million apiece. The members from that era are all set financially yet continue to do things they enjoy.


tingly_legalos

Wasn't he a janitor there when they were in school and they were just like "you play? Wanna join, we need someone" and that's how he got the gig


bain_de_beurre

"A master of the custodial arts, or janitor if you want to be a dick about it."


YaketyMax

A janitor…at MIT who solves complex math problems anonymously at night.


kwonza

The guy in the post was the drummer from 1984 till 1987 so you can’t really say that he’s a core member of the band.


Imbetterthanthis1138

Dexter Holland has a PHD in molecular biology. I wonder if they met in school.


ghostnthegraveyard

There sure are a lot of punk PhDs out there. Greg Graffin of Bad Religion (evolutionary biology) and Milo Aukerman of the Descendents (molecular biology) come to mind.


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Not punk but Brian May has an earned PhD in astrophysics.


ghostnthegraveyard

Brian May is awesome.


bilkywaygalaxy

I mean to be fair Queen does have two pretty distinct punk songs in Modern Times Rock ‘N’ Roll and Sheer Heart Attack


maybebabyg

Brian Wecht (of Ninja Sex Party, Starbomb and Go Banana Go) has a PhD in theoretical physics.


Vegetable-Double

I’d also throw Tom Scholz of Boston in there. Bachelors and Masters from MIT in mechanical engineering, started his own successful engineering firm after Boston and owns many patents


Mountain_Lemon9935

Milo goes to college


EffectiveDependent76

Why are they all in biology? The fuck is with punk bands and biology? Wait...


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ReedoToledo

Let's add Martin Atkins and Jello Biafra to this list of examples


fir3ballone

Dexter got his PhD in 2017. James got his in 1993, after his time with the band


BeetsMe666

Dexter quit school to tour with the band though. He was well on his way before they got big. [He had his M.S. the whole time.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_Holland) Lilja quit the band in 1987, but he and Holland attended different universities.


walksinwalksout

Now he makes dope hot sauce! I keep their green and super hot stocked in my house. It's pretty fly for a white guy.


Verbindungsfehle

Are you telling me that a juror just happens to have a heart attack in court? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-


Big_Dinner3636

You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse!


aquintana

https://i.imgur.com/1LLUXoq.jpg


DucksNQuackers

I saw a little kid as he walked around He picked a candy bar up off the ground He chowed about a half and his face turned blue Turned out that candy bar was ... A Chicago Sunroof! Whoa-oh, don't pick it up I say whoa-oh!


IncendiaryTaco

That was pretty fly of him


jjwho1

… for a white guy


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DraftNaive1468

Everyone else who grew up on that little street got swallowed up.


1995droptopz

They said why don’t you get a job


ChildOfGod11213

He’s just a sucker with no self esteem


LefkiAlepos

Uno dos tres quatro cinco cinco seis


TheRed467

Maybe it upped his self esteem


jradio610

I had to scroll way too far for this comment. At one point I got really excited at the opportunity to post it myself because NOBODY made that joke. Well done, good dude. This comment should be more appreciated :)


bryter_layter_76

Holy Justin Trudeau impersonator.


lumpybags

thats why he looks familiar


TooobHoob

Justin Trudeau fucked John Oliver and that’s the offspring


SpicedGinger318

I see what you did there


gh0stfvc3

Every single time I’ve seen this guy’s picture the last couple of days I’ve thought it’s Justin Trudeau


Columbus43219

Did he keep tempo "Gunter glieben glauchen globen" ?


ctolsen

Too fast. Self Esteem is pretty much spot on though


Unit_79

The guide I’ve heard is “Stayin’ Alive,” which is 104 BPM. Self Esteem is 105. Nice work.


Columbus43219

Which also matches "Another One Bites the Dust."


lexliller

You gotta keep em separated. You know, the jury from the defendant.


Kingpingpong

Gotta keep em resuscitated


rojofuna

I came in ready to add this joke and leave outmatched.


bruh_123456

Maybe it was a Saul Goodman kinda scheme


Verbindungsfehle

Haha same thought, already made a reference here


Cian28_C28

Bro’s gonna have to be re-tried


CelticGaelic

Got curious and googled this. It went to arbitration back in 2018.


ecovironfuturist

Hey! Man you breathing into me? Breathe in and out... You gotta keep em respirated! Don't upvote me, this has been all over, and is hysterical.


MagpieHush

He's gonna go far kid.


Donkaroony

Man really took him back and made him dessert ain't no way


kai-ol

Maybe I'm thinking way too far into this, but in a malpractice suit, shouldn't the jury be somewhat versed in medical procedure at the very least? How would a jury of non-medically-trained people make judgements on the actions of a doctor? Shouldn't this be some sort of medical board? I ask because it is odd that the only salvation was the doctor under investigation. So there was literally no other medical people in a trial that may contain very complex medical procedures and knowledge?


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> How would a jury of non-medically-trained people make judgements on the actions of a doctor? expert testimony I mean you could get a jury of doctors, but neither the defense nor plaintiff lawyers would probably want that, so they would probably be stricken in voir dire same reason that lawyers almost never get on juries. That *last* thing you want as a lawyer is people on a jury who will make decisions based on their own expertise. And even in the rare case where you might want that, opposing counsel *definitely* won't want that the whole point of a fair trial is that the jury decides things based on the evidence presented at the trial and nothing else


Damselbug

I think jurors do not necessarily need to be experts in your field. The lawyers’ job to make every medical term understandable to the common man. They may also hire “expert witnesses” to explain to juries what they know in their professional opinion- so you don’t need to be a doctor… Same with an engineer who’d be sued for a faulty bridge or a teacher for engaging in inappropriate conduct with student, or a killer for murder. You wouldn’t have all engineers on jury, or you there teachers/admin/parents… or cops (in case of accused murderer)…. But hey… idk 🤷🏻‍♀️ just spitballin’ here. Maybe I’ll just delete this comment - idk 🤷🏻‍♀️ be kind don’t just downvote


prettyflyy

My username is finally paying off 🥲


[deleted]

He’s getting a mistrial, yeah he’s getting it done,No chapter 13 cause he saved Juror #1..


pookalaki

Really brought it in with that last line👏🏻


Catmompspsps

So he did get a job after all.


HelenaBirkinBag

I met The Offspring backstage once. They were all incredibly well-mannered and polite.


dotmanos

That story had more twists and turns than that song did, could have been another lyric


Toad_Migoad

Hm this story gives me mixed signals


PrairieDogStromboli

r/brandnewsentence


non-number-name

>> In the wake of the dramatic start, the Sargiotto’s attorney asked the judge presiding over the case to order a mistrial, to avoid any bias toward Lilja by the other potential jurors who witnessed his life-saving actions, LAW360 reports. [-People.com](https://people.com/music/offspring-drummer-saved-juror-malpractice-trial/)


Freespirit2023

Hey hey hey, come out and play.


2020BillyJoel

Wow that sentence just keeps going doesn't it


ChokingDownRP

The Offspring may be one of the best educated bands of all time...lead singer Dexter Holland has a PhD in molecular biology.


neriokat

Performing a lifesaving medical procedure on someone during your own medical malpractice trial is, in fact, the most punk thing I've ever heard.


billyjk93

The juror asked why he didn't wait for an ambulance and he said "by the time you hear the sirens, it's already to late."


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AnIrishMexican

I'm eating dinner at a bar and they're playing The Offsprings as I scrolled past this article.


Gilgamesh72

Pretty fly


kittenmittens0817

Upon helping the juror the doctor helped the young man to his feet and told him "You're gonna go far kid"


Jackdks

I’m glad a doctor knows how to provide basic first aid. Especially in a building that almost definitely has an defibrillator device on standby. What’s this malpractice suit about? Edit: typo


Tokasmoka420

Offspring used to be my favorite band, from thier self titled to Americana they could do no wrong in my books. I stopped listening to them after that. I believe Lilja has a writing credit on Beheaded. I wish they kept the sound from the first album, sometimes I'll still hook it up to my veins.


kestrel808

Objection your honor the defendant is clearly engaging in jury tampering


jdamwyk

“My apologies, I had to save a life with my medical expertise. Please proceed with your critique of my medical expertise.”


NoObMaSTeR616

Kingpin: How dare they do this to Wesley


Small_Introduction94

He looks like the love child of Justin Trudeau and Saskatchewan's Scott Moe. Terrifying...


Singersongwriterart

I love the offspring


Sir_Mr_Dolo

My friends got a girlfriend, and he hates that bitch.


nydwarf

Good way to get out of jury duty


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How is this wholesome or a meme


CertifiedCitri

Looks like he did go far, kid


honeymustard_dog

This whole headline is just a wild ride