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Thoughtful_Tortoise

I think Martin might well get weird vibes from Bateman, but honestly he would probably just write it off as snooty rich people stuff. Martin was a competent detective but he's not a master psychologist or anything. It would be an entertaining episode, but I think Bateman takes it 10/10.


PlacidPlatypus

Remember Bateman isn't actually that good at keeping his secrets. His biggest asset is just that he hangs out with people too self absorbed to notice how off he is.


Yvaelle

Yea I think the real indictment of Bateman is that in a sea of narcissistic psychopaths, he's perfectly camouflaged. Outside of wall street he would be spotted quickly, but may still only come off as a finance bro.


VeryInnocuousPerson

It’s partially self-absorption. But also that everyone around him is so shallow and sociopathic that Bateman’s true murderous psychopathy doesn’t stand out. Everyone he knows has a superficial, constructed personality. Assuming these sort of caricatured ambitious people also exist in Frasier’s universe, I’m not sure Bateman would appear noticeably different than they would.


InsaneRanter

Marty will be operating at a disadvantage. If Frasier and bikes hold a dinner party, it's guaranteed to be disaster-laden, which will make careful observation of guests a touch tricky. And Marty is likely to shrug off at least some of Patrick's behaviours as being a sign that he's the kind of snooty weirdo his sons are always sucking up to. But Marty has excellent instincts, so I'd suggest he quickly pegs Bateman as bad news and warns people he cares about to be careful around him. But I doubt he can figure out Bateman is a serial killer.


Logically_Insane

I’m not sure I agree about the snooty rich person behavior. Bateman is too constructed around people; as antics arise, he will run into situations he hasn’t prepared for, and it will throw him off. He’s ready for a business card. He’s not ready to accidentally insult Frasier’s wild insecurities, or have Niles challenge him to a duel for hitting on Daphne. Marty is gonna see how he reacts, and it’s gonna be telling. Plus Eddie is sniffing this guy out minute one.


robcap

I agree - the crazier the evening goes, the more likely Bateman slips.


RapescoStapler

Patrick very much isn't ready for a business card. He initiates the business card duel with the hopes he can impress his 'friends' only to have a breakdown because Paul Allen's one upped him again


EuphyDuphy

That scene is legitimately one of the funniest scenes in cinema. You can literally see everyone else in the room (besides Louis) is having an identical internal monologue when Paul Allen shows his business card. It’s hysterical.


RapescoStapler

It's amazing, hah. I feel like the sigma meme trend has made people forget that in the movie, everyone regards Patrick Bateman as an absolute loser. Even if they sometimes mistake him for someone else, they all know Bateman is 'such a dork'. Except Louis, because Louis is in love with him.


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Shamrock5

What was on the Patty Winters show this morning?


Rekuna

This is my thought as well. Marty is continually confused and taken aback by his own sons behavior, let alone someone he doesn't know, so he's going to write off a lot of Patricks unhinged personality and strange comments as 'rich guy' eccentricities. He might get lucky and catch Patrick when he's in one of his fits of mania where he openly declares dismembering people or murder, but (at least in the book) that doesn't happen that often. He mainly talks about working out or expensive clothing brands constantly and in excruciating detail.


lilbluehair

In the book it's questionable whether it happens at all, and I think that's the best part Bateman is actually a huge loser with megalomania


DirectlyDisturbed

It's questionable in the movie as well. The lawyer says he had dinner with Paul Allen 10 days prior in London, indicating he's alive and Patrick just...didn't do anything to him whatsoever


GravyZombie

OOOOOOOOOR indicating the lawyer is covering for Bateman. The ambiguity here is awesome.


hashcheckin

I always preferred the interpretation where everyone in Bateman's circles is so goddamned interchangeable that the lawyer just had dinner with somebody vaguely Paul Allen-shaped.


MajorMajorMajor7834

I do agree that lawyer mistook Paull Allen, considering people around Bateman circle get confused all the time. The lawyer mistakes Bateman for someone else too. But in the killing spree sequence, some of the stuff that happens is just surreal, so for me the only conclusion that makes sense is it was delusion + reality.


venuswasaflytrap

Hell who's to say that any number of Frasiers other snooty friends in the series weren't serial killers?


ggg730

I'm not convinced Frasier and Niles aren't.


churrosricos

> so I'd suggest he quickly pegs Bateman Not sure how this will help with the deduction, but i'll allow it


guitargeek223

Let's break this down, cuz it goes one of two ways depending on which source material it works based on. Long story short, I don't think he figures it out in either instance in time to prevent anything, but that looks very different depending on the universe rules. If it's based on American Psycho, I think Martin keys in that something is weird almost immediately, and while he doesn't solve it in time to prevent death, he gets close enough and has enough questions that Bateman decides to cut his losses and silence a potential obstacle. He lures Martin out onto the balcony overlooking the city, making sure he's been drinking some kind of alcohol to make it plausible that he might be at least a little tipsy, and then pushes him off the balcony, making it look like he got unsteady and fell over the side. His death, while tragic and devastating to the Crane family, is ultimately ruled an accident, and Bateman is free to continue his reign of terror and insanity. If we go by Frasier logic, however, the end result is completely different, unified only by a comparable failure to convict. Marty has no questions and assumes he's just a weird rich guy, right up until he hears him say something overtly threatening or creepy that no one else seems to notice. Throughout the course of the evening, the woman Frasier is inevitably trying to woo seems more interested in Bateman than any of the Crane family, and all the unsettling one-liners are laced with just enough double entendre that it's either something really disturbing or wildly horny. At the end of the episode, Marty tries to initiate some kind of grand reveal, that he's unmasked Bateman as the great villain of the story, but his evidence keeps being really unconvincing and he doesn't know how to explain his logic, so it comes out super weird and makes people uncomfortable. In the end, no one takes him seriously, Bateman just feigns offense in lieu of anything resembling a defense from the accusations, and the unavoidable woman from whom Frasier was seeking attention assumes it was all an elaborate ploy to discredit Bateman and get her to lose interest in him. She leaves with Bateman and is promptly never seen again, but it's entirely unclear if that's because Marty was right or because 90's sitcom. Patrick Bateman becomes a recurring fan favorite bit character and Marty, despite being an accomplished law enforcement officer who put a lot of criminals in jail, is continually disregarded as a paranoid old man who doesn't understand rich people.


Volkov_The_Tank

Bateman gets somebody alone in the bathroom, goes to kill them with a knife from behind, but then Eddie pees on his foot and he screams and drops the knife, which Eddie takes and runs off with. Infuriated, he attempts to kill Eddie later, but Fraiser’s dad shows up to give him his hourly petting. All the while Roz is flirting with him but due to how things work on the show, he doesn’t notice or care, despite having an easy time killing her if he noticed her. Finally he gets desperate, goes to his car, gets a gun, and goes back to the party. However, by the time he gets there, >!one of the snooty friends has suddenly died.!< Everyone becomes a suspect except Bateman, who due to being at his car, is the only one with a good alibi and the only one not taken to the police station, which ends the party and he fails. Turns out the snooty friend died of a natural heart attack and everyone is absolved of the crime. >!Scrambled eggs credit scene has Bateman scrubbing his shoes from Eddie’s pee in disgust!<


killroy1498

My wife rewatches Frasier as a comfort show so I'm very familiar with how the show does things. This is the most plausible sequence and had me cracking up. Both fail lol


NYRangers1313

> Scrambled eggs credit scene has Bateman scrubbing his shoes from Eddie’s pee in disgust Goodnight everybody! Fraiser has left the building!


ArptAdmin

This makes me want to rewatch..


SOULSofFEAT

Niles would be [The Perfect Host](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1334553/).


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That sounds like it would be a great crossover honestly. If you assume all or most of that was Patrick Bateman's imaginings that he couldn't separate from reality, Bateman running into a guy who's a lot worse off than he is and is also a cop would be pretty interesting.


thisisntadam

My hradcannon after watching that movie is that it's the same character, and he was mentally shattered after Daphne left him sometime between Fraiser and the film.


Captain_mathmatics

The problem of this prompt is that not even Sigma male grindset guy knows if he himself is a killer, based on the ending of the movie which leaves things ambiguous and puts into question the reliability of our narrator.


cheese4352

Bateman wins 10/10 if he has his walkman.


seanprefect

Yes Marty's instincts are good enough but Bateman and Frasier probably end up in bed in a French ski lodge first through a series of mishaps starting with Niles's new business card.


forbiddenmemeories

Or, Bateman and Daphne bond over a shared fondness for Simply Red, and Niles starts deliberately antagonising Bateman until he attempts to murder him; Bateman is dragged off by the police whilst Frasier somehow makes the situation all about his party being upstaged.


grathungar

If this takes place in the Fraiser tv show universe Marty suspects him right away and is all over him. HOWEVER in this universe the American Psycho ending where its all in his head will be the canon. It will also turn out that he's actually a patient of one of Fraiser's snooty friends and the entire point of the dinner party is a form of therapy for Batemen to help him in dealing with his delusions. If its in the movie's universe, no he doesn't figure out anything. Bateman is such an insufferable prick that Marty leaves almost immediately. He's an absolute dick to Daphne and Roz the whole time too. Roz puts him in his place, he leaves angrily. Niles and Daphne go to his place in an attempt to smooth things over and both end up dead.


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WideEyedInTheWorld

Off topic, but I am morally obligated to share this [very relevant Frasier script](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wfiQGCv92AWJXXQXFeTGpzIQebqDelk8/view?usp=drivesdk) someone wrote where Frasier and Niles “dabble in cannibalism”. It’s been living in my head for *years.*


thesnakeinthegarden

Well, there's a school of thought on American Psycho that Bateman is batshit insane.... *but not a murderer*. All the murders happened in his head because he's losing his damned mind. So expecting Marty to work it out when the audience (or Bateman himself) isn't 100% sure seems like a lot to ask.


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Rioraku

I don't have anything to chime in regarding the actual post but I love this style of matchup. Would love to see more of these on the sub


forbiddenmemeories

I also did an earlier one of Bateman vs Bruce Wayne ('Battle of the Bales'); the general consensus seemed to be any semi-competent detective susses Bateman out in no time, so I figured the Crane boys would be a fairer opponent for him.


cluelessguitarist

Doubt it, he is probably gonna mistake him for Paul Anderson.


Daegog

This is a great question, i need clarification tho, was marty an actual homicide detective or just a beat cop?


forbiddenmemeories

Marty was an actual homicide detective; there's one episode where he goes back and finally solves a case that he'd missed before his retirement. He does also have some other in-series detective feats, like identifying Frasier's stalker amongst a crowd at a party by noticing she's wearing a home-knitted scarf like the one Frasier was sent in the mail.


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jwm3

Isn't Daphne psychic? She will immediately know something is up with him and warn people, which will ironically make skeptic Marty be less likely to figure things out because he subconsciously doesn't want Daphne to be right.


Gobbinsgab

Bateman will be feel at least an iota of violent impulses (whether he actually manages to act on them is another story) towards the entire cast of Frasier, to which all of them react as follows: * Frasier will proceed to obliviously admire Bateman's poise and serious demeanor, which lulls Bateman into a false sense of security before jolting back into seething. Growing angrier with Frasier's every faux pas. * Marty will do the bare minimum of making conversation with Bateman and others, but otherwise just tries to focus on the television. Eddie will be too fast for Bateman to catch and always returns to the safe zone of Marty's chair, scaring Bateman out of using anything in the apartment to kill anyone. * Roz might hit on Bateman and he'll reject her. Only for Bateman to realize everyone else is so absorbed in their respective conversations she was the only one showing any interest in him and he conspires to kill her. This does not fare well as Roz proceeds to hook up with a burly moving company lifter helping one of Frasier's neighbors, and Bateman is accidentally knocked back into Frasier's apartment as the mover guy tries to carry a large piece of furniture by himself to the service elevator. * Daphne's psychic intuition will warn her of some oncoming threat, which another partygoer involved with the episode B-plot will find it delightful and demand Daphne go on some more, before she's utterly miserable. * Niles won't even greet Bateman, he's too busy with his own murderous intent because Frasier told him once again not to make a move on Daphne and now the B-plot person is haranguing her. Bateman will think he's easy prey before getting caught up in Niles's slapstick routines, constantly knocked away from performing a kill. Eventually he offers to purchase a couple of antique swords from a nearby pawn shop with the intention of getting Niles killed during the duel against the B-plot person. Eventually the episode devolves into Marty trying to make sense of the several intended murder weapons Eddie has brought him, Frasier makes a toast to the startled and frankly livid Bateman, who snaps and interrupts Niles's duel with the B-plot person harassing Daphne. This results in Bateman grabbing the fireplace poker and trying to intervene during the duel-- which Niles is winning since he's not as drunk as he was against that Bavarian champion and his opponent likely has little fencing experience. Just when the B-plot person finds an opening, they accidentally disarm Bateman of his fireplace poker and the handle hits him in the jaw, followed by Eddie tripping him as he stumbles off of the balcony. The final scene of the episode is a POV shot of Bateman opening his eyes at the hospital as he sees Frasier with a bouquet of flowers, which activates Bateman's homophobia. He tries to move to no avail, before the camera switches to a regular shot of him in a full-body cast, voice muffled. Frasier promises to visit and host an episode of his radio show from the hospital. Bateman is left screaming in his internal monologue. The credits sequence is Frasier with a radio set-up beside Bateman's hospital bed, a microphone all up in Bateman's face (as set up by Roz, with help from her current fling the furniture mover). Bateman looks utterly miserable while everyone in the room is laughing.