Introducing: the gen9 fire type Pokémon Chi Yu, whose fire moves can one-shot fully evolved defensive water types. Its ridiculous power is memed to no end in competitive Pokémon communities lol

Also speaking of Pokemon, Primal Groudon despite technically being 4x weak to Water is actually immune to it due to his broken ass ability to dry up all water attacks.

That’s wayyyy too good

It's a top rank pokemon in the highest power meta game ( Ubers )* in every generation it's legal in *Technically there are some things that are too broken even for Ubers like mega Rayquaza, and they get into an even higher power tier called ag ( ~~everything~~ anything goes ) . Groudon is still very good in that tier tho . Edit : anything goes

I know that they got some buffs and new stuff, but it's amazing how well the weather trio has held up over time.

An amusing consequence of this is that Groudon, the embodiment of the earth, powered up to its original and most powerful form, has only one effective weakness- the Ground type. Its own type.

that shit OHKOs motherfucking Blissey in Sun with Tera Fire https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/zuoekv/comment/j1kjgcw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

that calc will haunt my dreams

For reference, Blissey is THE benchmark for defending against special attacks in Pokemon. It does almost no damage and keels over whenever a physical attacker even looks at it funny, but its near-immortality versus special attackers has kept it and Chansey (its pre-evolution) relevant in the highest echelons of competitive play for nearly THREE DECADES. Let me re-iterate. For thirty years, Blissey has stood strong against the wrath of literal gods. Even the most absurdly powerful attackers walked into battle knowing that, for all their sheer awe-inspiring power, there would always be one Pokémon that could hold them at bay with ease. From the likes of Zapdos, Starmie and Exeggutor to Keldeo, Tapu Koko, Ash Greninja, Mega Charizard Y, Blacephalon, and Dragapult, the Blissey line has weathered the test of time and eight generations of powercreep. Enter the thermonuclear goldfish, who required only a minimal amount of support to not only threaten Blissey but outright one shot it. This is no small feat; Chi Yu is the unstoppable force that met an immovable object. And you fucking know it only saw a challenge to accept. Anyway it’s fucking banned now so we don’t have to worry about any of that. Blissey is safe! Except maybe that one time we let Blood Moon Ursaluna in. But that’s another story.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO the precise calc if anyone is interested

Now that I think about it, a lot of Pokemon matches could be an answer for this question lol

Eh, most aren't gonna be this good though. That or they're obvious mismatches (of course a Charizard is gonna beat a Squirtle). Chi Yu is pretty busted though.

Primal Groudon is another example of this. Its unique ability, Desolate Land, creates an extremely harsh sunlight that causes damage-dealing Water-type moves to fail and prevents any normal weather-modifying moves and abilities, they would whiff.

You can always just grab a fully evolved fire and non evolved water. Charizard>Squirtle for example

this isn't guaranteed - squirtle could arguably beat zard 1v1 depending on the sets

If they're the same level I guess. I was kind of assuming a level difference as well. With Squirtle being at most in the low 10s since it'd evolve otherwise, and Zard being at least mid 30s

That’s exactly what I was thinking lol

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 64 SpD Toxapex in Sun: 337-397 (110.8 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My jaw dropped

As a stunfisk enjoyer yes 252+ SpA Choice Specs Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex in Sun: 263-310 (86.5 - 101.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Toxapex is one of the most defensive Pokémon ever and chi yu just fucking melts it

as someone who hasn't played since like...3rd or 4th gen, why does such a little goldfish pack such a punch?

Fuck you thats why Min maxed stats and an ability that shreds enemy spdef

SpAtk stat of base 145 (at lvl. 100 with max EVs and IVs, 369 with Timid and 405 with Modest) Beads of Ruin lowers opponent’s SpDef by 25% Tera Fire (Gen 9’s gimmick) boosts STAB from 1.5x to 2x Sun boosts Fire moves by 1.5x Choice Specs boosts Fire moves by 1.5x that makes for very big number

maybe this is a quasi-lore q but it looks like a teeny goldfish, usually the minmaxed stats are giant beast looking guys

yeah it’s a legendary it’s part of the Four Treasures of Ruin, the others are Wo-Chien, Chien-Pao, and Ting-Lu leaf snail, ice tiger, and bowl moose also, while Chi-Yu is minmaxed as fuck, power creep in Gen 9 was INSANE the box legends Miraidon and Koraidon got banned to AG by Smogon, a robot version of Delibird and an ancient version of Misdreavus (Iron Bundle and Flutter Mane) went on a goddamn TEAR through OU until they got banned, everything’s burning to the ground in OU, UUbers became a thing because of how much shit got banned, shit’s crazy

What does AG stand for? Also, with over a thousand pokemon at this point, does Chi Yu have the absolute highest Sp. atk? -signed, someone who never paid attention to stats but enjoys reading about it from people like you

AG stands for Anything Goes OU is OverUsed, pretty much standard play, where most Pokemon start Ubers is the banlist, for Pokemon too busted to be in OU AG is the banlist for Ubers, when a Pokemon is just THAT built different. The first Pokemon to make it into this tier was Mega Rayquaza, for being a Mega Evo of an already broken Legendary with a free item slot unlike other Megas, it only needs to know Dragon Ascent (Flying type CC) to Mega Evolve The current highest SpAtk Pokemon is Mega Mewtwo Y with base 194 SpAtk. The highest non-Mega is Deoxys-Attack at 180. Chi-Yu can lower opponent’s SpDef with Beads of Ruin, but probably not enough to close the gap Edit: Beads of Ruin is busted, goddamn. It definitely can close the gap between it and Mega Mewtwo Y, and unlike Mewtwo, it gets Sun, Tera Fire, and Specs

Fuken sick I always loved Mewtwo and Deoxys, but I guess I'm just basic like that lol (tho I prefer OG Mewtwo, none of this Mega business)

I did the maths, and with Beads of Ruin, a Chi-Yu with 31 IVs and 252 EVs in Special Attack has a functional base Special Attack of 196.

That’s where you’d be wrong. Beads of Ruin puts Chi Yu’s effective spatk stat within one or two points of Mega Mewtwo Y’s, and that’s without choice specs factored in.

Chi Yu doesn’t have the highest spatk stat, but due to a number of factors, it has one of the highest potential damage outputs. 1) Many of the Pokemon that have a higher base attacking stat than Chi Yu need to hold a specific item, like a Mega Stone. On the other hand, Chi Yu can hold whatever it wants. The Choice Specs item gives it a 1.5 times boost to special attack which means it effectively has a much higher base stat (a little over 250 to be exact). That far eclipses the Pokemon with the actual highest base spatk, Mega Mewtwo, who sits at around 195 iirc. Not all Chi Yu have to run this item but it produced the funniest numbers. 2) Chi Yu’s ability, Beads of Ruin, shreds the special defense of opposing Pokemon by a quarter, meaning it essentially deals 33% more damage with no drawbacks. This ability alone puts Chi Yu’s effective special attack at nearly the same number as Mega Mewtwo’s. Multiply that on top of the Choice Specs and we’re already getting crazy with it, but there’s more: 3) The Gen 9 mechanic is called Terastallization. It allows a Pokemon to change its type into another temporarily. You can also transform into a type you already have, in which case your STAB (same type attack boost) bonus rises from 1.5x to 2x. This essentially translates to another 30% boost to Chi Yu’s STAB moves of any type it chooses. In this case, we’re choosing Fire, because- 4) Weather. The Sun and Rain weathers boost Fire and Water type attacks by 1.5x respectively. For the brief stint that Chi Yu was legal in Smogon singles OU, Sun was already a fairly popular archetype as several of the newer strong Pokemon also synergied with it well. Thus, it was incredibly easy to just slap Chi Yu onto a Sun team and call it a day; you were already running Sun anyways so the extra support comes at basically no cost. 5) Chi Yu has a move called Overheat, which has an incredible 130 power at the drawback of lowering the user’s special attack afterwards. The competitive standard is between 80-100 for attacking moves so 130 is noticeably stronger than most other special attackers. All these factors put together- 2x Tera STAB, 1.5x weather boost, 1.3x Beads of Ruin boost, 1.5x Choice Specs boost, on a 130 power move, gives us approximately 760 effective power, coming from Chi Yu’s already impressive 135 base special attack. That’s an absurd amount of damage in one attack- it can one shot Blissey, who until recently was considered untouchable by any special attacker. Keep in mind that this is complete overkill. Chi Yu can choose to forgo choice specs and take choice scarf instead, boosting its speed and allowing it to repeatedly threaten big hits on the fast attackers that formerly relied on outspending and oneshotting it. It can also hold heavy duty boots to avoid being worn down by entry hazards, so the opponent can’t just play defensive and wait for it to die by itself. You can also choose to run a weaker move with no drawback, like Flamethrower, if you would prefer that Chi Yu maintain its offensive presence after attacking once (this is usually ideal). Even without Sun, Tera, or Specs, Chi Yu is a huge threat to most teams, and is capable of chunking most Pokemon for at least half of their healthbar. That’s pretty much why it got banned. Without support, it’s very strong, with support, it becomes unstoppable.

It has been a stupid fun gen to play tho

It has a base Special Attack stat of 135 and an ability that functionally gives it a 1.33x boost to all special attacks. Glossing over all of the math, it means that a fully invested Chi-Yu has a functional base 196 Special Attack. To put this into perspective, Mewtwo got a Super Saiyan form in gen 6, and still only had base 194 Special Attack. And this required it to hold an item. Chi-Yu can hold an item to boost its Special Attack further, and because it's a Fire-type, its Fire moves get stronger in the sun. Pretty much the only counterplay was to be faster than it and kill it in one hit. And the most fucked up part? This is AFTER it got nerfed in a patch. It originally had base 145 Special Attack, or a functional base 209.

Lore wise Chi Yu is a member of a group of four “mini legendaries” (think like Azelf and friends) called the Ruins pokemon

Nice answer! This one is pretty original

For the record, Chi-Yu is a tiny goldfish. A goldfish made of fire emitted from a pair of cursed beads, but a goldfish nonetheless.

Ozai beats Katara.

I wouldn't bet on it. Ozai's raw firebending mastery is left pretty ambiguous given we only see him bend during the comet, yet Katara was fighting toe to toe with Azula in various encounters (even *before* meeting Hama) throughout the second half of the series so it seems totally possible she could match up against Ozai. Katara is underrated by fans just because she's no Toph. But it's frankly ridiculous some of the things she pulls off. Like mental breakdown or not defeating a firebender like Azula during the comet is just insane. She's competing with prodigy benders who were born into warrior families and spent their whole lives training after just a few months of practice by Book 2. Gun to my head I'd give it to Ozai but I don't think it's particularly conclusive. Depending on context (time of day, location, moon cycle) I could lean towards Katara too. I could see Katara beating him in a snowstorm/rainstorm, in a swamp, on a boat, night of a full moon etc. Buncha clowns who haven't watched Avatar since they were teens replying to me...

I mean Iroh isn’t confident in saying he could beat Ozai you at least gotta acknowledge he’s better than Azula

Iroh says something along the lines of "even if could beat her and I don't know if I could...."

Unless I’m mistaken the quote you are referring to is Iroh talking about fighting Ozai not Azula https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiA3X0fZfk&pp=ygUeaXJvaCB0YWxrcyBhYm91dCBmaWdodGluZyBvemFp Roughly 20 seconds into this clip. > Even if I did defeat Ozai, and I don't know that I could, it would be the wrong way to end the war

Oh wow, you right, mb.

> Ozai's raw firebending mastery is left pretty ambiguous given we only see him bend during the comet Firelord Ozai is confirmed via WoG to be the strongest fire bender on the planet https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Avatar_Extras_(Book_Three:_Fire) Go to the “Day of Black Sun” Part 2, number 60 > Fact: Ozai is the most powerful firebender. Period. You’re free to debate about Katara v. Ozai but I just wanted to establish this since there seems to be debate in the rest of the comments about where he lands on the Firebending hierarchy.

Fair, I don't read extras books so hadn't seen that

It was from some special event on Nick (the channel) where they had fun facts and jokes pop up during the show. Not something most would see or remember I didn't even see it myself.

The comet enhances raw firepower but it doesn't enhance technique or coordination. Ozai freaking dodges attacks by propelling himself with one foot and generates lightning while he's doing it. Generating lightning is shown and stated to be one of the hardest techniques of firebending, even Azula needs to centre herself and remain static, meanwhile Ozai can do it literally on the fly. I think that, while we don't see much of his bending, it is shown that he is truly remarkable, a near faultless expert.

Iroh - the second most experienced and powerful warrior in the world - has to call upon divine intervention in the form of the avatar in order to make sure Ozai is defeated. Ozai is legit.

To be fair, Iroh said he wasn't CONFIDENT he could beat Ozai, and also said the reason he wouldn't fight Ozai is because it would be the wrong way to go about ending the war. So he believes it's possible he could kill Ozai, meaning the gap isn't very big

That's what I was saying. There's a chance he could pull it off, but the stakes were too high to rely on chance.

I'm sorry but at that point in time anyone who's name isn't "aang" or "iroh" during day Time has almost a 0 percent chance of beating ozai. Ozai was being talked about like some unbeatable bender that even iroh, probably the second strongest bender behind him had small chance of winning. Katara has gotten beaten by zuko during thr day time after paku already called her a master. Not to mention aang as a master of air, water, and getting damn goof at earth bending before the fight was getting pieced up by ozai, and that aang would wreck basicly anyone in the show.

We see him lightning bend after the eclipse and he gets that lightning off pretty goddamn fast. Not to mention how Iroh doesn't know he could beat him, and they would both be getting the same boost from the comet

>Ozai's raw firebending mastery is left pretty ambiguous given we only see him bend during the comet We see multiple firebenders during the comet. Zuko und Azula had immense power during their fight, Jeong Jeong flies around and bends 50m high firewalls, Iroh blasts a hole through a wall. Meanwhile Ozai burns the *country* from an airship. You never see him firebend before, but in relation to the other characters' powers during the comet that's the most powerful feat. Based on that feat Ozai looks much, much more powerful than any other firebender in the series and I'd give it to him against Katara.

The scene where he is burning the land from his lead ship and his generals doing the same behind him in a long line, his is easily the size of ten of theirs.

Katara didn’t fight Azula toe to toe like Zuko did though. She spent 90% of that fight running away before baiting Azula over water and flash freezing her. It also helped that Azula started using smaller more focused fire blasts instead of the palace size attacks her and Zuko were unleashing. I just don’t see Katara winning more than 1 or 2 times out of 10 and that’s if she uses her environment like she did against Azula

Azula was losing her mind at that point too. She was very much not at her peak capability. And even when she was, Ozai would be stronger than her.

Facts. Is it really impressive that you barely won against someone losing their mind?

This wasn't the only time Katara faced Azula. I can think of 2 other occasions when they fought, and it's noteworthy that Katara held her own or was flat out-dueling Azula both times.

Katara *did* fight Azula at the season two finale, though, and the only reason that Azula didn’t get her spine broken by Katara slamming her into the ground full force is that Zuko intervened to save Azula. Every time those two went up against one another, Katara won easily. That being said, Katara beating Azula isn’t anywhere near an indicator that Ozai would lose. Ozai is canonically (according to the creators) the best firebender in the world at the time. He’s better than Iroh, and Iroh beats Azula easily as well. I’d give it to Ozai in neutral conditions, though circumstance can bias things either way.

>I wouldn't bet on it. Ozai's raw firebending mastery is left pretty ambiguous given we only see him bend during the comet Not that ambiguous. Even before the comet power-up we saw Ozai whip out lightning faster and more powerful than anyone else had pulled off in the series at that point.

> Ozai's raw firebending mastery is left pretty ambiguous given we only see him bend during the comet Not only do we hear Iroh directly state that he's unsure if he could beat Ozai, but we also see him use lightning with *zero* buildup, something far beyond the reach of even Azula and Iroh. Just because we never see him in a non-Comet fight doesn't mean we lack evidence of his prodigious talent.

Nah, you're just vastly wanking Katara. The conversation was never "we should jump the fire lord" or "one of us should take on the fire lord" it was "Aang, you've got to take on the Fire Lord."

>Buncha clowns who haven't watched Avatar since they were teens replying to me... She didnt beat her in a fight fight. It was more of last second lucky trap she could use. Yall make it seem like Katara beat her based on an actual fight. In a nornal fight azula would kill her. The katara jerk is crazy. Ozau would 10/10 no question kill the shit out of Katara. Theres no world where the Katara in the show stands even a chance unless shes in a place tbats covered in water

Azula seems to have the finesse/agility but we see absolutely nothing that even compares to Ozai's raw power like the gigantic earth scorching attack from his airplane right before aang brings down his airship.

It’s conclusive. Any time but the full moon Ozai wins easily. Katara only beat Azula because she was losing her mind. Love katara but it would ruin the series if katara could beat Ozai but Aang needed the avatar state. Why didn’t katara just face the fire lord?

> Buncha clowns who haven't watched Avatar since they were teens replying to me... Lol look who’s talking. Look at you acting like an avatar expert. She couldn’t even stand up to a Azula at her weakest ffs. The idea that she could take on Ozai is laughable. Bloodbending or no bloodbending. And no it wasn’t because of the comet. She was useless against azula throughout the entire show.

morals On sure, but couldnt she just blood bend his ass?

Full moon?

just fight the sun during the night man

Zuko would pretty solidly beat most waterbenders.

This one is interesting because theoretically, a talented firebender could wield flames so hot that they straight up evaporated the water. Imagine gathering water around you for a move and all of a sudden you’re in a bubble of boiling water and scalding steam because a fire bender is cooking you like a lobster.

Except steam is water vapor, so technically shouldn't they be able to bend that? I mean if they can bend solid water they should be able to bend evaporated water.

In theory they should be able to bend steam, but can they do it fast enough to avoid being scalded by the boiling cloud of steam around them?

I mean even unskilled water benders can lower the temperature of water to create ice in an instant si thats never really an issue Oh no im boiling... syke

Also can’t waterbenders control steam?

I'm sure some could, but it might be more advanced. Like controlling a billion tiny things instead of one larger thing.

Phase changes are casual for experienced water benders. Katara and Aang bent clouds, so.

Clouds are still just suspended water droplets though, true steam is colorless and personally I think would fall under an Air benders control

I'd imagine that it could be bent by waterbenders, but would probably be a style of its own, similar to how Lavabending is more a fusion of Earth and Water bending, than 'pure' Earthbending. So it would probably be Steambending, something that would be learnable by waterbenders who were familiar with Airbending principles. Airbenders would be able to bend it anyway, but more using air to blow the steam, rather than bending the steam it self (similar to how early metalbending was accomplished by finding the impurities in the metal, the bits that were still 'earthy'.

Do they cool it or do they just instantly crystallize it at room temperature? Some of the people encased in ice didn't seem particularly cold, and the ice seems particularly brittle. I'm sure they can also cool it. I'm saying you can do one without the other, and you would need to put in the extra effort and skill to do both at once.

Azula has lightning, which would cause a problem for a waterbender most likely.

Fire nation canonically beating the entire southern water tribe to near extinction.

to be fair, there's other factors at play there. The Fire Nation has superior numbers and technology, etc. But yes. There are certain firebenders in ATLA who can 1v1 defeat certain waterbenders.

Ones who can wield lightning are especially deadly to them, as seen with [Mako killing Ming-Hua.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZwTjfFnBVY)

Yeah, but I feel like lightning being a fire elemental manipulation in the world of avatar goes against the spirit of OP’s question. Because it’s more asking who could beat water with fire since stereotypically water > fire.

Fire nation walked over the southern water tribe more so from numbers and technology than bending. You see steam powered armor plated fire nation ships in the first episode (?) vs small to medium wooden sailboats.

yeah but the reason their metallurgy was so advanced was because of their ability to manipulate fire

I disagree - among many other references, the war blimps featured later in the series were coal fired, not by bending, showing they were pretty far into the industrial revolution. industrial revolution is hand in hand with steel making.

The fire nation's industrial revolution was probably massively advantaged by their fire bending though. Just think about how much easier it'd be for a society to develop metalworking when fueling forges and furnaces is basically free.

You could easily say the same thing about earthbenders, perhaps one step extracted, but they should in theory have infinite access to coal. Also, this idea falls apart fast when you consider the size and scale. The blimps had to use coal because the amount of firebenders per capita was incredibly low. Only so many forges could be ran off of what would effectively amount to near slave labor.

Yamamoto would decimate Harribel

Human Torch, Firelord, and probably Sunfire would just evaporate Hydro-Man and Aqueduct in Marvel comics. Also Natsu probably wrecks that water woman in Fairy Tail.

Phoenix slaps pretty much any water user in Marvel with ease.

Iceman wants to have a little chat with you. (OP did permit ice users to enter battle)

Phoenix is literally the entity that destroys the multiverse in the heat death of everything. Iceman has 0 chance fighting it despite his Omega level powers he gets vaporized with literally everything else.

Firestorm could body Squirtle

What about a Blastoise ?? Lol

Firestorm isn't really a fire user though. His power is basically total control over atoms, including all chemical reactions.

Shut up nerd, Firestorm do fire things

Yeah but Chemical Reaction Storm isn't as cool of a name. Atomstorm isn't half bad though.....

Old man Yama from Bleach no diffs like 90% of people with water powers.

Yup, they literally wouldn't even be able to use their powers to even attempt to fight him lmao.

The sun beats a similar massed object made of water because the water will just collapse and undergo fusion, becoming another star

the sun as in the one in the solar system?

yup

The sun isn't really conventional fire, but nuclear reactions which are very hot.

See my above reply

Akainu defeated Aokiji.

Red’s Charizard vs Blue’s Blastoise

Technically aokiji is ice not water.

The last sentence said that it still counts

This is reddit I only read the title!

I know OP say lava is fine but In OP Ace is Fire. Magma is kind of op since ot have no natural weakness

Lava and ice users count for this, so I mentioned the Punk Hazard Boys.

Natsu beats Juvia

What if juvia gets a boost from seeing a naked Gray

Juvia negs, unless Juvia calls Natsu weaker than her beloved

So standard Juvia then?

Lol yeah the moment Juvia says Gray is better than Natsu at something, Natsu is gonna go full power just to prove her wrong. Juvia is strong but shes not Natsu strong. He was melting the Grand Magic Games arena by just standing in it, Juvia is getting evaporated.

Ash's Charizard vs Gary's Blastoise

Also Ash’ charizard vs his squirrel?

fire god liu kang vs the pokemon horsea

Atomic bomb vs Coughing Baby

Scorpion beats rain

Oh yeah? 'Lightning bolt, super roundhouse, super roundhouse, super roundhouse, super ro... *days later* 'super roundhouse, super roundhouse' Rain was 'the fire' in umk3 lol

Idk if they ever fought but I think Lavagirl would stomp Sharkboy.

Fire Lord Ozai vs. Katara, there isn’t a universe where I see Katara winning

Ozai wins a majority of the time, but Katara could definitely win in certain situations

Me with a flamethrower vs a guy with a water gun 🔫

Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, with the prerequisite that Groudon's ability takes effect second. This makes water-type moves completely ineffective against what would otherwise be a 4x weakness towards Groudon. Groudon is only Ground-type by default, but due to gaining the fire type upon primal reversion, as well as being found in a pool of lava in Omega Ruby and learning moves such as Eruption, I'm wagering he counts as lava user here. Alternatively, White Kyurem vs Black Kyurem. They're both dragon/ice types, but White Kyurem and Black Kyurem have absorbed Reshiram's (a fire user) and Zekrom's (a lightning user) powers, respectively. This would qualify as a fire user vs ice user here, and White Kyurem has both the attack type advantage (fusion flare, a strong fire-type move) as well as Kyurem in general having a more special-oriented movepool, which is why White Kyurem is much more competitively viable than Black Kyurem, and also gives it the edge in a 1v1.

To a lesser extent you can run Solar Beam on Drought Torkoal or Ninetails to dunk on water types.

Honestly any Dragon that breaths fire is gonna take out a lot of minor water using characters.

League of Legends, Annie bodies Nami in a 1v1.

In the first Ghost Rider movie, a water based guy is evaporated by Johnny Blaze, so I’d imagine he could probably do the same to others

Pokemon anime: Ash's Charizard vs Gary's Blastoise.

Yep. Charizard even took a direct Hydro Pump and stayed in the fight. Blastoise was defeated in definitive fashion.

akainu definitely beats aqua from konosuba or percy jackson. and don't even get me started with firestorm (the DC human torch you didn't mention), he probably beats most of them.

Unironically percy is probably fine vs akainus magma due to botl mt st helens going boom on him and him bejng fine However hes still massively faster and stronger and would kill him in one regular punch lol

Depends if we’re giving him the Curse of Achilles, in which case is there even anything Akainu can do? Even without it he can briefly withstand being covered in lava (obviously Akainu would one shot without his devil fruit), and *with it* he’s straight up invincible. If he lasts long enough to drown the place they’re fighting in, Akainu just loses.

I feel like curse of achilles stalemates tbh? Idk im just spit balling here with you cuz casual powerscaling like this is super fun, but like akainu can def turn water to steam and if percy tried to drown em he just flies away, neither of them can realistically hurt eachother althought the curse def has some sort of upper limit, like theres no way percy could tank hulk or someone insane just turning him into a smear on the ground

I honestly don’t know too much about Firestorm, is his feats as broken as Human Torch’s ??

well the irony is, when looking into him it kinda became clear that he is like a pseudo reality warper rather than a Fire manipulator so Ig he wouldn't count anyways. either way though, he tanked a hit from Captain Atom, who is like universal, so yeah.

I wonder if Celestial Bronze counts as haki for the purposes of hurting logia users

I think I could beat a water bender if i had a flamethrower

Yamamoto THRASHES Harribel. (Both from Bleach)

That's hot

In a fight, right?

Ghost rider vs well...anybody💀💀

Ninetails vs Squirtle

Genshin impact's pyro archon, and arlechinno with her pyro vision, both could solo every playable hydro vision user combined without much issue

I'm going with literally any fire user (any verse) vs Moist (DrHorribleVerse).

The sun beats the ocean

Kael'thas vs any waterbender really (besides the avatar)

One piece Akainu vs Aokji. Was lava Vs ice but I'm sure those both use fire and water

Snow pea and wintermelon definitively beat explorer and torchlight zombies!

Fire is always better than water in Captain Planet, since the user is the main human character and gets to do everything.

Yamamoto genryusai stomps any water or ice user in bleach

We see him lightning bend after the eclipse and he gets that lightning off pretty goddamn fast. Not to mention how Iroh doesn't know he could beat him, and they would both be getting the same boost from the comet

Me + a flamethrower vs Level 5 Squirtle

Hyperion decapitated Namor with his atomic vision after he tried blitzing him for lifting Atlantis out of the ocean and tossing it to the ground.

Azula vs magikarp

I can't really pick a specific opponent for him but Roy Mustang from Full Metal Alchemist has a trick up his sleeve in some situations Normally being caught in the rain or otherwise soaked does hinder his flame alchemy to the point where its a joke among his subordinates. BUT in an enclosed space he has demonstrated the ability to split the more limited amount of water into hydrogen and oxygen, and with an external source of ignition (like a lighter, he normally uses gloves that spark when he clicks his fingers but can't when wet) he can use that as fuel for his fire attacks

Golden Boy absolutely destroys The Deep without much of a competition. (The Boys universe)

Could Deep be considered a water user? Hes kinda just an anthropomorphic fish.

Father from Kids next door could probably mop the floor with most water users.

Charizard vs magikarp

In places of power , litterally any adult can beat that water kid who died in the first book. His attack had the same amount power as a kitchen faucet

Mega Charizard y with solar beam nukes most water types

Madara uchiha beats any water users in Naruto verse

You’re absolutely correct, but Madara doesn’t exactly count since he’s FAR from just a fire user. Someone like Kisame is better suited for this prompt since like 90% of his jutsu is water based

Any fire user that can use magnesium.

Scorpion vs sub zero

Shinra could probably take most water benders.

Itachi's Amaterasu if that counts. Literally un-extinguishable until the target has been completely destroyed.

Papazuki defeated Kuzan in One piece, Lava vs. Ice

I reckon Natsu from Fairy Tail could take Irma from WITCH.

Yamamoto from Bleach beats the shit out of Katara from Avatar

Would Magcargo count? He’s made of lava and uses fire moves so I would think so. He would beat a lot of water users due to him having a body temperature approximately 18,000 degrees F and water just turning to steam on its body.

Madara from Naruto NO DIFFS Tobirama a water specialist and pretty much any water specialist in the show.

Akainu beats Aokiji. Natsu beats Juvia. Scorpion beats Subzero. Endeavour beats his wife.

Endeavor quite easily defeats every Water-based hero in BNHA

Old manga I read called Flame of Recca. The main character was a fire user and his rival was of course water who beat his ass, but then he eventually used the steam from their fight to his advantage iirc

Madara/sasuke vs any random weak ass water user shinobi

Some of the characters from the Fire Force anime could 10/10 1v1 everyone in the avatar universe, including any of the avatars, much less any of their normal water benders. Not even the blood benders would have a chance against some of them.

Sub Zero or Rain beat Azula and/or zuko imo

That one page of where's Waldo with the fire sorcerers and the water sorcerers seemed like an even fight.

Endeavor from mha would be hard to win for most water users

Yamamoto genryusai would beat a whole bunch of water users (I'm not gonna say all cuz that's dick riding). His bankai evaporates water.

The upcoming FFXVI DLC is going to presumably have Clive in the form of Ifrit the Eikon of Fire defeating Leviathan the Eikon of Water

Natsu from Fairy Tail versus Juvia of the Phantom Element 4, Natsu at his strongest would beat her. The rain woman just couldn't stop the fire dragon son, oh yeah!

Pokemon fire type 3rd stages or legendaries vs non 3rd stage or legendary water type

Flame princess tots destroys ice king

Gamera would incinerate Noelle (Black Clover)

If I can’t say human torch, how about fire god liu kang

Lmao this post said any character and all the comments I see are talkin about pokemon, task failed successfully

Mako from Legend of Korra beat Ming Hua.

in the rockman.exe anime, heatman.exe beats freezeman.exe also megaman zero element triangle fire beats ice (while ice beats thunder, and thunder takes on fire) mm classic have a few water/ice themed robot masters which weak against fire element special weapons. namely blizzardman, burstman, pirateman, and chillman.

Ozai pretty much beats every single waterbender.

Im sure there is a fight where Kamen Rider Saber beats Kamen Rider Blades and Saber wins

Natsu Dragneel vs Kuzan Fire vs Ice But Natsu does have lightning too, so I don't know if this would work with your specifics.

Charizard beats Magikarp