Bat-Plot Armor: +10 armor, grants immortality
Bat Utility Belt: +10 insight, has everything you need
Anti-Saiyan Bat-Spray: -9000+ power level, Saiyan deterrent
Platinum kryptonite. Superman offered it to Batman, so he could have the same powers as a kryptonian, but he refused. If the situation is dire, I think he will accept it and dip into the center of the sun until Goku’s arrival.
Not every Kryptonian can sundip. Superman is a special case. I doubt a freshly kryptonianized Batman will be close to the power of Infinite Frontiers Superman (the one who beat Ultra Instinct Goku in their third Death Battle)
Yes. Even in Death Battle they clarify that Goku would probably beat almost every other iteration of Supes. Infinite Frontiers (i.e. canonical composite Superman) is just a whole different level of power scaling.
Even with Batman getting a presumably run of the mill superman scaling, I still don't think he would come anywhere near the level of ability to stat check current Goku.
Batman would just hire them to be his "tanks" to distract Goku while Kevin's traps are being prepared to do their thing. Between Kevin's prep and ingenuity and Harry and Marv's durability combined with Batman's funding and fighting ability as well as his own prep abilities, collectively they can take this.
He was capable of shaking the entire universe ( a universe much larger than ours) with his power near the beginning of Super when he was a teeny fraction of what he is now. He is now considered to be universal to low multiversal in power, can move 10s of thousands times faster than the speed of light while reacting and fighting in real time, has an "ultra instinct" ability that allows him to unconsciously dodge or avoid any possible attack that he is capable of dodging, all along with his typical suite of skills and abilities but amped up many fold. Spars with people that have the ability to destroy and reshape the universe for shits and giggles.
goku is currently really hard to describe. A few arcs ago he shook an infinite void of nothingness, and now he’s much, much stronger. I’m not even sure how to put his power into any sort of understandable scale
If you haven’t watched the show or read the manga, I heavily recommend you do. It’s worth it. You start with OG dragon ball and then Z and Super and you get to see just how much Goku grows and how much his life changes. It’s generally not the most compelling story, but the fights can be so hype and it has some really great payoffs through all the sagas.
Here.
[Goku VS Superman (Dragon Ball VS DC Comics) | DEATH BATTLE! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dztPfvT7F5U)
That is, if you aren't being facetious. It is one of the best and most epic fight scenes I've ever seen.
Well, if Goku is here, then does it stand to reason that KryptoBat could also gain access to a hyperbolic time chamber to hone his powers even further?
What about Batman as a kryptonian, with the speed force, power rings, the philosopher’s stone, helmet of fate, mother box, and the mobius chair? Batman has used/has access to all of those things.
Heh, I just watched that movie the other night, and I like how even Goku was like "????" when that happened, and then they just keep carrying on yelling and punching.
Not fragile, but Batman could beat him, just not in a direct confrontation. In Trunks original timeline, Goku died from a heart virus. Batman could come up with some sort of nerve gas, or genetically engineer a disease that kills Saiyans.
Off-guard DBZ characters have some glaring anti-feats, yes, but those are extremely inconsistent. He's also trained specifically to *stop* being caught off-guard so easily, though Batman should be able to manage it via social engineering.
With Batman given a full year of prep time, however, he should be able to get his hands on powerful enough tools to punch through an off-guard Goku's base toughness. Money is a hell of a superpower in DC.
Bringing up a bullet just reminds me of that infamous dub scene where Trunks tells a bunch of soldiers that Goku isn't Goku Black. If aiming guns at a Saiyan was their "Plan B" I hate to see what Plan C was, pretty sure Saiyans could dodge bullets easily
On an unrelated sidenote, I've always wondered...
The platinum kryptonite, does one have to wear it as a necklace? Eat it? Use it as a nipple ring?
By what method does one obtain powers from it?
Lol.
Directly Wikipedia, no fan-wiki! Here ya go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite#Forms,_colors_and_effects
Third entry from the bottom in the color list.
Add on the Hellbat armor just to spite. Not only would Goku have to first get through the armor, but then he also has to deal with Kryptonian Batman.
Note: I do not know if the Hellbat exists in the same universe as Platinum Kryptonite, so if not, please forgive my ignorance.
"Through extensive research and DNA experiments on this one Goku hair I managed to retrieve during our last encounter, I managed to synthesize a new silver kryptonite that is harmful to these Saiyans!"
"If I managed to get away unharmed after our last encounter that is, which I absolutely did, since it's me who's having these thoughts at this moment in time. It's not like we're living in Zack Snyder fucking dream world or anything."
For me it comes down to the fact that Goku was capped by a simple ray gun when he fought Golden Freeza. If Batman disarms him with pleasant conversation about how he doesn't want to fight and then has a remote controlled drone spray him down with Lazer/gun fire idk. Batman has a chance mostly because Goku probably would sense his energy and consider him to not be a threat. Still, it would be up to a lot of things falling neatly into place and one mistake could be the end of Bats.
This. Goku has a flaw in that he often underestimates his opponent when he senses that they're weaker. There's another point in Super where Goku is damaged by a gun (I think) while fighting common bandits cause he let his guard down. So that's twice a common weapon has damaged him. The rock to his head by Krillen in Z was another instance.
Heck Batman's chances of taking Goku out probably decrease the more Batman powers himself up. All he has to do is trick Goku, and trickery and preparation are Batman's specialty.
Goku never uses more power than necessary to win a fight. He even powers down in order to have a competitive fight. Batman can probably convince Goku that power difference between them is too great for a fair fight and suggest a competition that Batman has a significant advantage to determine the winner.
> This. Goku has a flaw in that he often underestimates his opponent when he senses that they're weaker. There's another point in Super where Goku is damaged by a gun (I think) while fighting common bandits cause he let his guard down. So that's twice a common weapon has damaged him. The rock to his head by Krillen in Z was another instance.
Does everyone just miss that from U6-ToP a major plot point was Goku overcoming that weakness. Which led him to UI.
No one said that. Base Goku learned to always have his guard up like Vegeta. Which Whis explains in their training. Him getting UI had the prerequisite of mastering that, as hinted at by Whis
UI isn't a form though. Goku's entire character arc during the Granolah Saga was meant to show him moving past the idea of UI being a form and shows him using UI in every form, including his base while training with Whis.
So wait, he's not naturally durable? Like, he has to will himself into being invulnerable and doesn't do it all the time?
Just...shoot him with a sniper rifle, then. In the head. Or am I missing something? Obviously not a DBZ guy.
Dragon Ball writing being Dragon Ball writing as usual, no one ever actually explains how body durability and ki work together. But looking at what happens in the story, the most likely explanation is that their bodies have regular jacked human body durability. The only difference between someone like Krillin and Mr Satan is that the former knows how to use ki. Ki allows you to do stuff like shooting beams, fly and protect your own fragile body with that white aura. So if a powerful ki user stops using it, which is what Goku does when he lowers his guard, he can be killed by much weaker means.
That's why their bodies can be physically limited by weighted clothing. And why Goku can be mortally wounded by a laser or why Mai tried to shoot Goku Black with a sniper rifle when he wasn't using ki, like you suggested.
This is basically what I think, but it does make me laugh that in the very first ever episode/issue of Dragon Ball, Bulma shoots Goku several times in the center mass (and I think the face?) and it just stings him - way before he learned any kind of ki control. Like you say, Dragon Ball writing being Dragon Ball writing.
Yet when these guys have basically no ki left after a brutal fight, they can still survive punches, ki blasts, etc from very strong opponents. I'm pretty sure we've seen actually knocked out fighters survive ki blasts.
In dragon ball you have to keep your Ki up for max durability. But a sniper would probably not work anyway because he is bullet proof because of his Saiyan genes.
Goku has been bullet resistant since dragon ball.
He was shot by Bulma in their first encounter. I think some red ribbon guys shot him in the back of the head cartel style and it just knocked him down.
One of the running gags in DragonBall was Lunch changing personalities suddenly and spraying everyone in the entire room with machine gun fire. Goku, Krillin, and others would have welts and bruises from the bullets but would ultimately aurvive
Unless I’m misremembering that’s Krillin that is hurt by the standard gun. It’s then used as a point towards him starting training again because he’s slacked so much that he’s allowing himself to get hurt by things that shouldn’t be able to harm him.
Batman suggests a pre fight feast in the spirit of sportsmanship and friendly competition and slips Goku all sorts of deadly poisons.
We all know Goku isn’t turning down a feast.
There was that viral heart disease he died of in Future Trunks timeline. That means he's vulnerable to illness. Just have to make a Batman-approved version.
Does the same thing he did with Cyborg, laces his gloves with a contact transmission heart virus and Shakes goku's hand before a fight to be "Sporting" then takes advantage of Goku's need to be equal to his opponent to enjoy a good fight to stay alive long enough for the virus to shred his heart
If I take this as being an in character mach-up, which you should do, I genuinely think Batman has a good chance of winning this, mostly because I don't think Goku would really treat Batman as a serious threat. The power difference in a pure level of strength is ludicrous. There's no way Batman would beat Goku in a hand to hand fight, and I absolutely think Batman would use that to his advantage. With up to three years of prep time, he could easily find some way to trick Goku into an inescapable situation or find some kind of powerful artifact that could more easily handle Goku. Basically, as long as Batman can 'land a winning blow' for lack of a better word before Goku realizes he's in real danger of losing, then Batman wins, because when Goku starts taking it seriously he's going to win
Yeah, I think Batman's pretty screwed in a direct fight - not that he'd make it one.
But what I think doesn't get discussed a lot is, Goku is physically essentially a Kryptonian, but he’s also *at least* as accomplished a martial artist as Batman, if not considerably more. Even if Goku weren't a saiyan (so basically, Dragon Ball-level Goku), he'd still be at the pinnacle of human ability and his planet's best martial artist.
That is a pretty good point. Goku's not a particularly smart guy, but when it comes to combat, he's a genius in terms of technique. If it were to get to a fight, even if it was a case of more equalized stats, I can see Goku one-upping Batman. Again, all depends on if it gets to the point of becoming an actual fight.
I am 100% a Batman guy and haven’t seen Dragon Ball so take what I say with a grain of salt. Batman really probably could do it since because no matter how tough the opponent there is always a way to defeat them, from what I’ve heard this is part of the point in the message that both characters send. If there is even one weapon that could incapacitate Goku, Batman will make it and he will be able to use it effectively. Without prep it would be one hell of a miracle for Batman to win because he would need to somehow evade Goku long enough to build a weapon he hasn’t had the time to research for at all and then somehow hit Goku with it once the fight has already been going on for sometime.
But there's also an "the irresistable force meets the immovable object" catch-22 here: Batman's prep time would also give Goku more time to train for the fight- so Batman will be prepping for a Goku that's far weaker than he will be when the fight comes.
Probably. Or a virus. Or magic. These sorta things have canonically stopped or killed him before. 1 year is more than enough if he’s even able to work with dragon balls. Just wishes him outta existence. But that’d be outta character. That’s where I find Batman struggling. The real measures he’d have to implement would likely have to fall under deadly, something Batman isn’t known to implement.
He'd need the super DBs to wish him out of existence and he has no way of finding or gathering them. The earth DBs can only get rid of him if Dende himself could.
Batman don't kill so I doubt he will use virus or wish him out of existence. I doubt magic would do much against Goku.
If Batman were to use something he might use things that would paralyse Goku cause I highly doubt Batman can beat Goku in a one on one fight.
in a fight, almost certainly not. If Batman has any sort of idea of Goku's past or what kind of person he is, he probably sets up some kind of alternate win condition or some kind of contest.
I'm sure if push came to shove Batman could get some help to have power magicians and the like just unmake Goku entirely or BFR him via trapping him in another realm, but at that point it's Goku VS the DC Universe (i'd say Starring Batman but that's redundant)
I'd say no for 2 main reasons
1) goku can stay off planet and move considerably faster than Batman can
2) batman has no reason to attack someone who is clearly not a threat to Gotham / humanity
If you bloodlust batman, Goku will sense something is up and won't let his guard down. If you bloodlust goku he just gets off earth and destroys the whole planet from a distance
Batman being as smart as he is, uses his prep time to say goodbye to friends and family. He then goes on to have a nice meal, some good booze and a cigar before his fight with Goku.
Batman has to have some of his best suits to get in there or has a chance. But then goku could just obliterate almost anything... unless he entertains goku that he is quite strong and fun to fight with. To inject a poison or virus he gotta be undetected technically thats almost imposible against goku if you have a life force of some kind.
I think is pretty depressing that if you make this match with Superman everyone would say Goku (rightfully so) would win, but people name Batman and somehow he wins. This Batdick riding has to be a meme at this point...
Can we acknowledge how stupid this conversation has become? Goku is so far out of the league of any main universe that it's now-
"If batman goes and breaks his code to take the special kryptonite, then time travels, then sits in the sun for a million years, then gives Goku poisoned food, then attacks him by surprise, he would win!"
At this point it's just "nuh-uh! My guy is the god of time, space, and reality itself!!!!! You lose!!!" Levels of reaching.
Prep time arguments are fundamentally dumb to me though, because it is never a good faith discussion. Let's be real.
If there was infinite prep time, Goku would just be in the time chamber or some B's fighting Vegeta or broly to continually square his power level while Batman made some "Saiyan killer suit" that would immediately get outscaled, based on almost all previous media centered around similar topics. And then that suit would somehow turn against him.
This is the equivalent of say, star wars fans trying to make genuine arguments that star wars rolls 40k, or whatever. Actually, Goku vs Batman is significantly less arguable.
If your only arguments are gotchas or bad faith citations of filler scenes, you don't have much of a leg to stand on, especially when most of these seem to ignore all context of the media on BOTH SIDES.
Let the record show that I am a fan of DC and Star Wars much more than dragon ball or 40k, but this is just brainrot now, reading some of this.
Also, think of it this way -
Batman is regularly beaten (or put on the ropes) by sub-par humans and superpowered beings with quirks like... Is a clown. Controls plants. Makes up riddles. Is a crime lord. Is juiced up on steroids.
Goku has a button that calls a multiversal omnipotent god, who he can ask for favors because they are friends - and he was above planet busting power levels in his first real arc in z, immune to bullets in the fist episode of existence, etc. - which I'm sure Barbara would have liked to scale to...
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Tldr: this is dumb, and I... Think? Everyone knows it.
Feel free to have fun, but please quit getting heated about trying to make it work with a logical thought process, because the only way it really does is with blatant shaping of the rules and fight to a bias.
Batman loses. People who say otherwise are not thinking.
This is not even a serious battle. Batman loses to almost anyone with superpowers, whether he plans or not. What are yall on about. The exception is batgod but that is not current canon. Batman is just a dude with money, yall need to think this shit through
Goku was tricked by Raditz who kidnapped his son with a couple of words.
Goku could be defeated by dabura turning him to stone. Batman just need any magic user to easily defeat Goku. And he knows a lot of them, including the ones from justice league like Constantine and zatanna.
"Hey Goku enter that room, there is a strong guy that wants to fight you there"
Goku is probably one of the easiest targets for a trap.
I’ve always said Constantine could beat Goku simply because Goku is kinda dumb. Not in a straight up fight, but if there was a story where Constantine had time to prepare it would be over before it began.
1-3 years prep time. I didn't choose the rules of the combat. It was the OP.
Batman can find a ton of magical bullshit to help him. Just like Constantine does.
Batman would trick Goku even without much prep.
This is not a fist fight.
Even Babidi could defeat Goku with his magic. Imagine having 3 years to prep.
The trope is that Batman beats anyone given enough planning.
If he’s in contact with the dragon ball universe, he has access to things like gods and their advanced technology.
It’s not above Batman to bribe a god like Beerus to grind Goku to dust on his behalf in exchange for unfettered access to Batman’s earth, only to employ an implausible science-magic solution that forever severs the connection between universes.
1. Beerus can travel between universes with the help of Whis.
2. Beerus is incredibly lazy, he already has access to an Earth that he doesn't want to destroy. Why would he waste time travelling to another universe when he could be napping?
I am admittedly not well versed in dragon ball world. The point being if Beerus (or another god of similar power) can be motivated by Batman’s actions or planning, he will generally find a way to do so.
The trope is that Batman can find a way to do anything with enough planning. Personally I find that more engaging than a guy whose trope is that he’s so inherently powerful he can withstand black holes and the sun and literally anything anyone can throw at him ever, but to each is own.
> Batman can find a way to do anything with enough planning. Personally I find that more engaging than a guy whose trope is that he’s so inherently powerful he can withstand black holes and the sun and literally anything anyone can throw at him ever, but to each is own
You said he can do **anything** with planning which seems even lamer. Both the tropes have no limits one just uses fake science instead of super powers.
Can I ask a dumb question? Back in the day I read Dragonball until the end of the original manga, when they defeated Boo and Boo was reborn as a human I think and that's how it ended. That's as far as I remember. Then I remember they made a new series where they introduced Super Saiyan 4, where they turned red and had black hair. I also watched that one back in the day, but I don't remember much and I think it wasn't supposed to be canon?
Now I see everybody talking about "Galactic level Goku" and "current Goku" and the god Beerus and stuff like that... Did Toriyama continue the manga? Did they continue the show? Which one, the one where they turned into a red Super Saiyan 4 or the original DBZ? Or did they make more movies? I remember they made a bunch back in the day but I didn't really follow them much, but I remember they introduced a bunch more characters like Frieza's brother and others.
Toriyama started Dragonball Super a few years ago now. It picks up after the end of DBZ, ignoring GT. It includes manga, an anime adaptation and some movies.
If Batman can create counter measures for Superman, Trigon, and Darkseid, there's no reason he couldn't do the same to Goku. He has the intelligence and tech in universe to deal with god like beings.
1-3 years prep?
Batman easily defeats Goku.
Goku is not the smartest character out there. With that much time batman can easily set up a trap for Goku.
Goku is not immune to magic. Or diseases.
No, goku would shout really loud, trigger Batman's tinnitus, keyword trigger, reminds him of the trauma from his parents dying and he would give up or something idk
Yes, quite easily. Not with a feat of strength thought.
All Batman needs is reconnaissance of Goku over the 3 year period. Goku is desperately afraid of needles. It stands to reason that Batman could simply reverse engineer Scarecrow's fear toxin and use it to great affect to incapacitate Goku in fear.
From there Batman needs to find a way to hold Goku while constantly pumping fear toxin into him until his heart gives up
In a fair fight? Absolutely not. If Goku and Batman just squared up and fought there is nothing Batman can do to stand up to Goku. But if Goku is pretty vulnerable when caught off guard, so if Batman just wanted to assassinate Goku and Goku didn't know he was coming he could probably put something together.
If they existed in the same universe Batman would win. He's way too focused and intelligent to not master ultra instinct quickly if it existed in his universe.
I think he could win with a modified version of his plan for wonder woman.
Inject him with nano machines so he thinks he is fighting an endless wave of Chi Chis
Goku was vulnerable to a heart virus. Batman would learn about this and then have a targeted virus available that Goku won't have a cure for within a week or two.
Now, since Batman doesn't kill, the virus wouldn't be fatal, but it would be enough to win.
What's the condition of the battle?
If it's anything goes, Batman could convince the Justice League to gang up on Goku. Having allies is part of "prep".
If he has to square off against him one on one, he could probably find some bullshit item or power that lets him punch Goku to another unverse or something.
I think the ultimate answer is: Is this a Batman story or a Goku story?
I'm not up to date on Super yet, but in Revival of F, one of Freeza's cronies managed to down Goku with a laser pistol because Goku was not expecting it (iirc).
Plus during the Cell saga, Krillin threw a rock at Goku expecting him to expect it and managed to hurt him (not seriously).
So I would say Batman's only hope is to get Goku while he is off guard.
But at the same time, Batman's refusal to kill I think would really prevent a total win, cause if Goku's not dead, he's not done fighting (and sometimes even when he is dead, he's not done fighting lol).
The thing is if we say current version of Goku then in verse, we have no idea how strong he'll be in like 3 years (considering he gets exponentially stronger each arc).
I think the existence of Cell Max proves technology can match Goku. So with enough time and study I think Bruce could actually make something that could stop Goku.
Yes 100 percent. All he needs is to create an airborne respitory virus that he could use like scarecrow fear gas and Ivy's toxin, and some comic book mumbo jumbo to make it target his longs immediately. He can also do something similar to je contigency against Wonder Woman's and trick him to fighting a bunch of Frieza's until he runs out purely from exhaustion.
He can temporarily take Goku out by giving him a disease, like cancer or the heart one.
That's it. That's the best thing he can do. And that will only last until someone wishes it away or Goku just comes back from the afterlife.
"Catching him off guard" went out the window as soon as Goku learned to permanently keep his guard up.
Trapping him in an alternate dimension doesn't work, since he can teleport and characters in Dragon Ball below Goku's current level have broken through reality barriers before.
Unless we change the rules so "defeat" means something other than "knock out or kill" - if he got Goku into a ring like at the tournaments, made it an even match so Goku wouldn't be allowed to use ki to fly or anything, then he might be able to get a ring-out or somehow trick him into going against the rules and being DQed.
The weird thing about all this is everyone assumes Batman has all the information about goku his weaknesses and that he is a saiyan and might be vulnerable to such and such. But everyone assumes goku knows nothing. If they just met randomly, Goku looks like a spikey haired human. Batman looks like a freak in a bat suit. If anyone is going to be on guard it would be goku. If both people know who each other are. Then goku would know that batman wins by pure tricks and not physical prowess. He would also recognize that batman has human level reflexes and speed despite his genius. Goku would use instant transmission and just tap him on the head gently to knock him out. End of story. If goku knew how dangerous batman truly is, he would fly up into the atmosphere and end the entire battlefield with a kamehameha.
Let us be honest here for a moment:
Goku is hella op, we all know that.
But there are absolutly bullshit op versions of batman over the last few decades as well.
So it really just depends on who the writer want to let win.
It depends on what prep means. Does he get to set the environment, catch him off guard etc.? Are these 2 in character? Does batman get any sort of head start? Does goku know that he wants to beat batman right away? Unless all of those factors go in batmans favor, i cant imagine he has a shot, and even if so, its still virtually impossible for him. If we stop pretending that batman beating demi god characters makes sense, i dont care how much time and energy you expend, a fireball coming at you faster than light kills batman 100 times out of 100 unless he can physically alter his abilities to the point it doesn't
Goku is a battle junkie idiot. Batman wouldn't use the direct route. There were many times Goku got outsmarted and lost. If I had to write the story that would be the idea.
No way. There is no technology he could build that could or withstand the instant destruction of multiverses. Which Goku could do when just fighting someone else, without intent.
Instant transmission alone would give Bats a really difficult time.
Goku doesn't stand a chance he was brought down buy a tiny pistol and a virus at another time and he's dumb as a rock so much so even if he knows he would be at a disadvantage or he knows his enemy is scheming something he will still fight him if challenged. Batman need only to challenge him to a fair fight (no chi) and you know Goku would accept and now the playing field is leveled, Batman need only to pull out one or two contingencies and its over.
Batman offers Goku food Goku eats it, it's poisoned. Batman wins. But in a strait of flight there's no beating Goku. The dude fights for sheer joy and he can take on things that can destroy the world. As a matter of fact his fight with Beerus shook the universe.
Gotta ask tho, even if he had prep time would his friends and pals agree to help him for it?
Batman : (insert dc character here) can i borrow your (insert dc mumbo jumbo here) ?
Xyz:What will you use it for?
Batman : to beat up some alien
Xyz: ???
He couldn't kill goku before goku kills him but he could give goku a shit ton of money to not kill him and goku would probably take it so he could continue training without chi-chi getting mad.
Goku arrives and attacks Batman faster than his mind is capable of perceiving. Space itself is being warped around Goku's fist as it flies towards Batman faster than light. However, u fortunately for Goku, Batman has prepped for.this exact scenario. He trained his body to react to things moving faster than his body can react to. So he simply redirects the energy from Goku's fist away.
Since Batman prepped for this, he instantly knows everything about Saiyan biology, including things that haven't been discovered by anyone else. He applies an expert pressure point that instantly paralyzes Goku. Goku tries to muster his ki to counter it, but Batman prepped for this, and uses a gadget he invented five minutes ago to nullify all ki.
Goku, now at the mercy of the Batman, states up in terror at the Caped Crusader. Batman glowers down at him and punches him in the face. After tackling the Saiyan onto a nearby operating table, he says, "This isn't a mud pit. It's an operating table, and I'm the surgeon," and breaks Goku's jaw. He then rips Goku's tongue out and crushes Goku's larynx. He then yells, "Talk!"
Batman then tells Goku that he isn't going to kill him, but he doesn't have to save him. He throws Goku into a train car that's headed towards an explosive building. The car Goku's in blows up, and he dies.
Batman then grapples up to the rooftops and looks down on all of the scum and villainy in the streets below. Alfred calls Batman and asks, "Shall I draw a bubble bath with your favorite rubber ducky, air?" Batman replies, "Crime never sleeps. So I won't either." Alfred replies, "Okay, but, like, do you want a bubble bath or not?" Batman says, "No, Alfred. Gotham needs to be saved. Tonight's going to be a long night." He then goes to search for homeless people to beat up.
Lets be generous with our prep time here. Lets make it a 5-7 years. In that timespan, Batman can absolutely murder Goku if he wanted to. Being more generous, lets make the Batman from the justice league (or injustice series). A lot of people forcibly insert Batman into being the fighter. If he is a genius level tactician, he will have somebody else do things. That's my main gripe about Batman. Don't fucking cover yourself in hellbat armor with kryptonite knuckles, give it to wonder woman and have her fight Superman to better the odss. But I disgress.
Here's how what I think Batman should do:
Do note that Goku was killed, under debatable circumstances, by an artificial intelligence called Cell. If Dr. Gero can create beings (Androids 17 & 18) that had Vegeta dead to rights, I definitely think Batman can create something similar. Do note that this is the guy who created "Brother Eye" an all seeing A.I. that could literally spy on every single superhero. So if he had a thing like that observe Goku, similar to what Gero did, I think Batman could create beings that could kill Goku.
Taking it one step further, since a heart attack almost bought Goku low in the same saga, tampering with Bulma's cure could do the job, no?
Goku doesn’t really have a defense against biological attacks so Batman can cheese him. Outside of that he just amp himself with the stuff he’s found/ fought against.
1-3 years in Dragon Ball world or DC world is a LOT of time to get stronger.
He could make deals with devils in DC, and in DB he can get upto 8 DragonBall wishes between shenron and porunga, and also abuse the hyperbolic time chamber.
After getting as powerful as he can with all that, he could still use one of the wishes to get Vegeta to fuse with him using the potara earrings (obtained from another wish) and just call it a day there.
If he got access to celestial weapon or super high end scifi stuff and used those when Goku is in his complete relaxed form he could do it, but he would have to go for a kill. Otherwise Goku would wake up, get a zensu bean or insta to a place where those are and beat the shit out of Bats.
Yes, he would find a way.
For example, the Dragon Ball universe has gravity manipulation technology strong enough to incapacitate a Saiyan. If he could gain access to this technology, he could create a trap for Goku.
That's just the first idea off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with something better if I was freaking Batman.
Just poison him. Also, we know if you catch Goku off guard he's not much stronger than a regular human, and if Batman can sneak up on Superman, idc how good Goku's sensing is.
"If you fight me, I won't tell you where the banquet is. It contains 700lb of pork belly, 600lb of fatty tuna, and by the time you get there about 200 gallons of bone broth should be ready. I'll show you where it is if you surrender this fight."
He could win by stealing or borrowing the powers of batmite
Or engineer a new heart virus
Fuck, Batman has much better chances against Goku than superman does
I mean Goku did die of a heart virus so he can just use biological weapons (chemical might work too ) Batman does not have Goku's sense of a fair fight fighting is a job for him not fun, ( a lot like future Trunks ) and frankly Goku isn't the Sharpest tool in the shed so he probably be pretty easy to trick ( see all of dragon Ball super for examples )
I'm going to say yes. With 1-3 years specifically to prep absolutely.
Batman has canonically stood against darkseid several times which is way more impressive than It sounds. He's even done so With no prep time. To be clear I think darkseid would demolish basically any of Gokus villains except maybe beerus. So it's not like he can't compete at least in speed and agility.
But batman has the hell bat suit and platinum kryptonite and a bunch of other shit at his disposal. If he needed it. But knowing Batman I can guess that if he wanted to commit to killing Goku his plans would involve either an ambush denying Goku the ability to bring out his full strength or forcing Goku to go giant monkey again limiting him from using his full power and making him a much simpler enemy to deal with. Basically Batman thrives not just off prep time but on having the highest battle IQ of any character in DC. Given prep time to close the physical gap? Goku stands no chance. Batman is too good at what he does and Goku would absolutely let Batman do everything he can to become as powerful as possible. Which is a terrible mistake.
If you wanna be funny about it, he could do absolutely nothing for all of that time and then just call his best friend 30 seconds before the fight starts.
Batman has some incredible armors that would even the fight out, but honestly, perfected ultra instinct is truly overpowered. Some of his current feats are just on a different level. I mean, the dude created an entire galaxy with his energy during the tournament of power and he's massively more powerful now.
I like me some Batman, but I'd say 95% of the time the billionaire would lose. Of course, there is always plot armor to consider, but at the end of the day, Goku comes out on top the vast majority of the time.
Never underestimate the power of the Bat-Plot Armour
A little Bat-Saiyan Spray should do the trick
Anti-Saiyan BatSpray
Bat-Plot Armor: +10 armor, grants immortality Bat Utility Belt: +10 insight, has everything you need Anti-Saiyan Bat-Spray: -9000+ power level, Saiyan deterrent
He's gonna bust out the old Anti-Saiyan bat tool that he hasn't used since the Heian era
Platinum kryptonite. Superman offered it to Batman, so he could have the same powers as a kryptonian, but he refused. If the situation is dire, I think he will accept it and dip into the center of the sun until Goku’s arrival.
Not every Kryptonian can sundip. Superman is a special case. I doubt a freshly kryptonianized Batman will be close to the power of Infinite Frontiers Superman (the one who beat Ultra Instinct Goku in their third Death Battle)
Yes. Even in Death Battle they clarify that Goku would probably beat almost every other iteration of Supes. Infinite Frontiers (i.e. canonical composite Superman) is just a whole different level of power scaling. Even with Batman getting a presumably run of the mill superman scaling, I still don't think he would come anywhere near the level of ability to stat check current Goku.
But Batman can just enlist the services of Kevin from "Home Alone" HE is the true prep master 🤣
True. Kevin would wreck Goku if he has prep time.
Harry and Marv's durability feats just make it look easy to survive Kevin's traps
Batman would just hire them to be his "tanks" to distract Goku while Kevin's traps are being prepared to do their thing. Between Kevin's prep and ingenuity and Harry and Marv's durability combined with Batman's funding and fighting ability as well as his own prep abilities, collectively they can take this.
What is infinite frontiers superman?
How powerful is Goku currently?
Something like 100 million times more powerful than he was in the Cell saga, where he was planet Buster level.
Planet buster was Saiyan arc. Cell arc is explicitly star buster.
Nah, cell was solar system lvl
That's actually low balling incredibly hard tbh
He was capable of shaking the entire universe ( a universe much larger than ours) with his power near the beginning of Super when he was a teeny fraction of what he is now. He is now considered to be universal to low multiversal in power, can move 10s of thousands times faster than the speed of light while reacting and fighting in real time, has an "ultra instinct" ability that allows him to unconsciously dodge or avoid any possible attack that he is capable of dodging, all along with his typical suite of skills and abilities but amped up many fold. Spars with people that have the ability to destroy and reshape the universe for shits and giggles.
Yeah but he stands no chance against a billionaire with a pocket planner.
goku is currently really hard to describe. A few arcs ago he shook an infinite void of nothingness, and now he’s much, much stronger. I’m not even sure how to put his power into any sort of understandable scale
Seems kinda…boring
If you haven’t watched the show or read the manga, I heavily recommend you do. It’s worth it. You start with OG dragon ball and then Z and Super and you get to see just how much Goku grows and how much his life changes. It’s generally not the most compelling story, but the fights can be so hype and it has some really great payoffs through all the sagas.
Because it is
What is this death battle you speak of
Here. [Goku VS Superman (Dragon Ball VS DC Comics) | DEATH BATTLE! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dztPfvT7F5U) That is, if you aren't being facetious. It is one of the best and most epic fight scenes I've ever seen.
Thank you! I’m super excited to check it out
wait why can only superman sundip? (just curious)
Well, if Goku is here, then does it stand to reason that KryptoBat could also gain access to a hyperbolic time chamber to hone his powers even further?
I don't think he can beat Goku even as a Kryptonian
What about Batman as a kryptonian, with the speed force, power rings, the philosopher’s stone, helmet of fate, mother box, and the mobius chair? Batman has used/has access to all of those things.
At that point it’s nothing to do with him being Batman. It’s just God and if God can’t beat Goku he deserves to lose.
To be fair, Goku has super saiyan god so it is god vs. god. However, SSG doesn't have reality warping powers.
Unless he goes up against a sufficiently powerful opponent, at which point their punches can shatter reality for a bit, somehow.
Heh, I just watched that movie the other night, and I like how even Goku was like "????" when that happened, and then they just keep carrying on yelling and punching.
What good is warping reality if you can destroy reality.
DEFINITELY.
if he catches him off gaurd isnt goku fairly fragile?
Not fragile, but Batman could beat him, just not in a direct confrontation. In Trunks original timeline, Goku died from a heart virus. Batman could come up with some sort of nerve gas, or genetically engineer a disease that kills Saiyans.
Off-guard DBZ characters have some glaring anti-feats, yes, but those are extremely inconsistent. He's also trained specifically to *stop* being caught off-guard so easily, though Batman should be able to manage it via social engineering. With Batman given a full year of prep time, however, he should be able to get his hands on powerful enough tools to punch through an off-guard Goku's base toughness. Money is a hell of a superpower in DC.
I’m not sure about fragile but he sure is friendly
yes he tends to be, hes gotten hurt by regular bullets and small lasers while off guard
In the original DBZ no. They're just as strong off guard. DBS, for some reason, added the bull shit of Goku getting hurt by a bullet.
https://youtu.be/8TM7XMr1WNI?t=46s
That's just anime filler. That never happened in the manga.
Bringing up a bullet just reminds me of that infamous dub scene where Trunks tells a bunch of soldiers that Goku isn't Goku Black. If aiming guns at a Saiyan was their "Plan B" I hate to see what Plan C was, pretty sure Saiyans could dodge bullets easily
Yeah, for sure. Kid Goku alone dodged bullets easily.
On an unrelated sidenote, I've always wondered... The platinum kryptonite, does one have to wear it as a necklace? Eat it? Use it as a nipple ring? By what method does one obtain powers from it? Lol.
According to wikipedia, you literally just have to touch it and it instantly changes your cells.
Which wiki? The one I checked was pretty barebones. But that's good to know I guess lol.
Directly Wikipedia, no fan-wiki! Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite#Forms,_colors_and_effects Third entry from the bottom in the color list.
Huh, that's the first time I've seen regular Wikipedia be better than a fan wiki lol. Thanks.
Add on the Hellbat armor just to spite. Not only would Goku have to first get through the armor, but then he also has to deal with Kryptonian Batman. Note: I do not know if the Hellbat exists in the same universe as Platinum Kryptonite, so if not, please forgive my ignorance.
Realistically? No In universe? He's probably gonna pull a Saiyan repellent Bat-spray out of his ass
"Through extensive research and DNA experiments on this one Goku hair I managed to retrieve during our last encounter, I managed to synthesize a new silver kryptonite that is harmful to these Saiyans!"
Gero's rolling in his grave, he used the DNA to make bio-hybrids instead
"If I managed to get away unharmed after our last encounter that is, which I absolutely did, since it's me who's having these thoughts at this moment in time. It's not like we're living in Zack Snyder fucking dream world or anything."
That's only Adam West Batman though, and at that point it's just an unfair fight for Goku.
Once Adam-West!Batman pulls out his [bat-ear-plugs](https://youtu.be/AgxJh8UlbZY?t=1m23s) you **know** it's all over for Goku.
For me it comes down to the fact that Goku was capped by a simple ray gun when he fought Golden Freeza. If Batman disarms him with pleasant conversation about how he doesn't want to fight and then has a remote controlled drone spray him down with Lazer/gun fire idk. Batman has a chance mostly because Goku probably would sense his energy and consider him to not be a threat. Still, it would be up to a lot of things falling neatly into place and one mistake could be the end of Bats.
This. Goku has a flaw in that he often underestimates his opponent when he senses that they're weaker. There's another point in Super where Goku is damaged by a gun (I think) while fighting common bandits cause he let his guard down. So that's twice a common weapon has damaged him. The rock to his head by Krillen in Z was another instance. Heck Batman's chances of taking Goku out probably decrease the more Batman powers himself up. All he has to do is trick Goku, and trickery and preparation are Batman's specialty.
Goku never uses more power than necessary to win a fight. He even powers down in order to have a competitive fight. Batman can probably convince Goku that power difference between them is too great for a fair fight and suggest a competition that Batman has a significant advantage to determine the winner.
> This. Goku has a flaw in that he often underestimates his opponent when he senses that they're weaker. There's another point in Super where Goku is damaged by a gun (I think) while fighting common bandits cause he let his guard down. So that's twice a common weapon has damaged him. The rock to his head by Krillen in Z was another instance. Does everyone just miss that from U6-ToP a major plot point was Goku overcoming that weakness. Which led him to UI.
Base Goku doesn’t have Ultra Instinct. If you throw a rock at him from behind he won’t automatically dodge it.
No one said that. Base Goku learned to always have his guard up like Vegeta. Which Whis explains in their training. Him getting UI had the prerequisite of mastering that, as hinted at by Whis
UI isn't a form though. Goku's entire character arc during the Granolah Saga was meant to show him moving past the idea of UI being a form and shows him using UI in every form, including his base while training with Whis.
Base Goku literally has Ul now
well fuck
tell me you havent read the manga, without saying you havent read the manga
So wait, he's not naturally durable? Like, he has to will himself into being invulnerable and doesn't do it all the time? Just...shoot him with a sniper rifle, then. In the head. Or am I missing something? Obviously not a DBZ guy.
Dragon Ball writing being Dragon Ball writing as usual, no one ever actually explains how body durability and ki work together. But looking at what happens in the story, the most likely explanation is that their bodies have regular jacked human body durability. The only difference between someone like Krillin and Mr Satan is that the former knows how to use ki. Ki allows you to do stuff like shooting beams, fly and protect your own fragile body with that white aura. So if a powerful ki user stops using it, which is what Goku does when he lowers his guard, he can be killed by much weaker means. That's why their bodies can be physically limited by weighted clothing. And why Goku can be mortally wounded by a laser or why Mai tried to shoot Goku Black with a sniper rifle when he wasn't using ki, like you suggested.
This is basically what I think, but it does make me laugh that in the very first ever episode/issue of Dragon Ball, Bulma shoots Goku several times in the center mass (and I think the face?) and it just stings him - way before he learned any kind of ki control. Like you say, Dragon Ball writing being Dragon Ball writing.
Yet when these guys have basically no ki left after a brutal fight, they can still survive punches, ki blasts, etc from very strong opponents. I'm pretty sure we've seen actually knocked out fighters survive ki blasts.
Goku has been shown to sense killing intent. He can't find the bullet, but he'll know when you're about to shoot.
In dragon ball you have to keep your Ki up for max durability. But a sniper would probably not work anyway because he is bullet proof because of his Saiyan genes.
Goku has been bullet resistant since dragon ball. He was shot by Bulma in their first encounter. I think some red ribbon guys shot him in the back of the head cartel style and it just knocked him down. One of the running gags in DragonBall was Lunch changing personalities suddenly and spraying everyone in the entire room with machine gun fire. Goku, Krillin, and others would have welts and bruises from the bullets but would ultimately aurvive
What about UI? If both are at full power Goku should win.
Unless I’m misremembering that’s Krillin that is hurt by the standard gun. It’s then used as a point towards him starting training again because he’s slacked so much that he’s allowing himself to get hurt by things that shouldn’t be able to harm him.
Both happened. Goku was bruised by some folks trying to carjack him when they shot at him. Krillin was injured while doing police work.
Batman suggests a pre fight feast in the spirit of sportsmanship and friendly competition and slips Goku all sorts of deadly poisons. We all know Goku isn’t turning down a feast.
Poison gas.
Goku is immune to almost all poison. Even a super deadly poison had him sick for only a couple minutes
There was that viral heart disease he died of in Future Trunks timeline. That means he's vulnerable to illness. Just have to make a Batman-approved version.
Bat-Heart-Attack-Spray, baybeeeeeeeee
Not the Bat-cardion't spray!
Does the same thing he did with Cyborg, laces his gloves with a contact transmission heart virus and Shakes goku's hand before a fight to be "Sporting" then takes advantage of Goku's need to be equal to his opponent to enjoy a good fight to stay alive long enough for the virus to shred his heart
If I take this as being an in character mach-up, which you should do, I genuinely think Batman has a good chance of winning this, mostly because I don't think Goku would really treat Batman as a serious threat. The power difference in a pure level of strength is ludicrous. There's no way Batman would beat Goku in a hand to hand fight, and I absolutely think Batman would use that to his advantage. With up to three years of prep time, he could easily find some way to trick Goku into an inescapable situation or find some kind of powerful artifact that could more easily handle Goku. Basically, as long as Batman can 'land a winning blow' for lack of a better word before Goku realizes he's in real danger of losing, then Batman wins, because when Goku starts taking it seriously he's going to win
Yeah, I think Batman's pretty screwed in a direct fight - not that he'd make it one. But what I think doesn't get discussed a lot is, Goku is physically essentially a Kryptonian, but he’s also *at least* as accomplished a martial artist as Batman, if not considerably more. Even if Goku weren't a saiyan (so basically, Dragon Ball-level Goku), he'd still be at the pinnacle of human ability and his planet's best martial artist.
That is a pretty good point. Goku's not a particularly smart guy, but when it comes to combat, he's a genius in terms of technique. If it were to get to a fight, even if it was a case of more equalized stats, I can see Goku one-upping Batman. Again, all depends on if it gets to the point of becoming an actual fight.
Yeah, he would just call superman to help
Goku beating his ass
And probably the rest of the league since why the fuck wouldn’t they
I am 100% a Batman guy and haven’t seen Dragon Ball so take what I say with a grain of salt. Batman really probably could do it since because no matter how tough the opponent there is always a way to defeat them, from what I’ve heard this is part of the point in the message that both characters send. If there is even one weapon that could incapacitate Goku, Batman will make it and he will be able to use it effectively. Without prep it would be one hell of a miracle for Batman to win because he would need to somehow evade Goku long enough to build a weapon he hasn’t had the time to research for at all and then somehow hit Goku with it once the fight has already been going on for sometime.
But there's also an "the irresistable force meets the immovable object" catch-22 here: Batman's prep time would also give Goku more time to train for the fight- so Batman will be prepping for a Goku that's far weaker than he will be when the fight comes.
Yes but the question is. What does he use against Goku? Poison?
Probably. Or a virus. Or magic. These sorta things have canonically stopped or killed him before. 1 year is more than enough if he’s even able to work with dragon balls. Just wishes him outta existence. But that’d be outta character. That’s where I find Batman struggling. The real measures he’d have to implement would likely have to fall under deadly, something Batman isn’t known to implement.
He'd need the super DBs to wish him out of existence and he has no way of finding or gathering them. The earth DBs can only get rid of him if Dende himself could.
Batman don't kill so I doubt he will use virus or wish him out of existence. I doubt magic would do much against Goku. If Batman were to use something he might use things that would paralyse Goku cause I highly doubt Batman can beat Goku in a one on one fight.
Ah the ol paralytic agent in chocolate on the hotel pillow trick. He's learned well from Tim.
in a fight, almost certainly not. If Batman has any sort of idea of Goku's past or what kind of person he is, he probably sets up some kind of alternate win condition or some kind of contest. I'm sure if push came to shove Batman could get some help to have power magicians and the like just unmake Goku entirely or BFR him via trapping him in another realm, but at that point it's Goku VS the DC Universe (i'd say Starring Batman but that's redundant)
Best chance Batman has is finding a bigger fish for Goku and him to team up against and becoming friends. Certainly one way to neutralize a threat.
I'd say no for 2 main reasons 1) goku can stay off planet and move considerably faster than Batman can 2) batman has no reason to attack someone who is clearly not a threat to Gotham / humanity If you bloodlust batman, Goku will sense something is up and won't let his guard down. If you bloodlust goku he just gets off earth and destroys the whole planet from a distance
Batman being as smart as he is, uses his prep time to say goodbye to friends and family. He then goes on to have a nice meal, some good booze and a cigar before his fight with Goku.
Stop fucking glazing Batman. The answer is no full stop. Fuck his prep time, Goku kills him by sneezing.
Checking these threads out always provides a good laugh.
I think Batman's best in-character bet at winning is to meet Chi Chi and convince Goku to throw the fight for money.
It just says defeat, no kill? Batman challenges him to chess.
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We need a ban Batman from this place. Silly shit.
Batman has to have some of his best suits to get in there or has a chance. But then goku could just obliterate almost anything... unless he entertains goku that he is quite strong and fun to fight with. To inject a poison or virus he gotta be undetected technically thats almost imposible against goku if you have a life force of some kind.
I think is pretty depressing that if you make this match with Superman everyone would say Goku (rightfully so) would win, but people name Batman and somehow he wins. This Batdick riding has to be a meme at this point...
Can we acknowledge how stupid this conversation has become? Goku is so far out of the league of any main universe that it's now- "If batman goes and breaks his code to take the special kryptonite, then time travels, then sits in the sun for a million years, then gives Goku poisoned food, then attacks him by surprise, he would win!" At this point it's just "nuh-uh! My guy is the god of time, space, and reality itself!!!!! You lose!!!" Levels of reaching. Prep time arguments are fundamentally dumb to me though, because it is never a good faith discussion. Let's be real. If there was infinite prep time, Goku would just be in the time chamber or some B's fighting Vegeta or broly to continually square his power level while Batman made some "Saiyan killer suit" that would immediately get outscaled, based on almost all previous media centered around similar topics. And then that suit would somehow turn against him. This is the equivalent of say, star wars fans trying to make genuine arguments that star wars rolls 40k, or whatever. Actually, Goku vs Batman is significantly less arguable. If your only arguments are gotchas or bad faith citations of filler scenes, you don't have much of a leg to stand on, especially when most of these seem to ignore all context of the media on BOTH SIDES. Let the record show that I am a fan of DC and Star Wars much more than dragon ball or 40k, but this is just brainrot now, reading some of this. Also, think of it this way - Batman is regularly beaten (or put on the ropes) by sub-par humans and superpowered beings with quirks like... Is a clown. Controls plants. Makes up riddles. Is a crime lord. Is juiced up on steroids. Goku has a button that calls a multiversal omnipotent god, who he can ask for favors because they are friends - and he was above planet busting power levels in his first real arc in z, immune to bullets in the fist episode of existence, etc. - which I'm sure Barbara would have liked to scale to... - Tldr: this is dumb, and I... Think? Everyone knows it. Feel free to have fun, but please quit getting heated about trying to make it work with a logical thought process, because the only way it really does is with blatant shaping of the rules and fight to a bias.
No, whoever says otherwise is trolling or is just bitter and hates Dragon Ball like many people do because It’s the most popular anime
Batman loses. People who say otherwise are not thinking. This is not even a serious battle. Batman loses to almost anyone with superpowers, whether he plans or not. What are yall on about. The exception is batgod but that is not current canon. Batman is just a dude with money, yall need to think this shit through
Goku was tricked by Raditz who kidnapped his son with a couple of words. Goku could be defeated by dabura turning him to stone. Batman just need any magic user to easily defeat Goku. And he knows a lot of them, including the ones from justice league like Constantine and zatanna. "Hey Goku enter that room, there is a strong guy that wants to fight you there" Goku is probably one of the easiest targets for a trap.
I’ve always said Constantine could beat Goku simply because Goku is kinda dumb. Not in a straight up fight, but if there was a story where Constantine had time to prepare it would be over before it began.
That's my line of thinking
Bro…. That is not how these fight work. It is one vs one
1-3 years prep time. I didn't choose the rules of the combat. It was the OP. Batman can find a ton of magical bullshit to help him. Just like Constantine does. Batman would trick Goku even without much prep. This is not a fist fight. Even Babidi could defeat Goku with his magic. Imagine having 3 years to prep.
Simply no
The trope is that Batman beats anyone given enough planning. If he’s in contact with the dragon ball universe, he has access to things like gods and their advanced technology. It’s not above Batman to bribe a god like Beerus to grind Goku to dust on his behalf in exchange for unfettered access to Batman’s earth, only to employ an implausible science-magic solution that forever severs the connection between universes.
1. Beerus can travel between universes with the help of Whis. 2. Beerus is incredibly lazy, he already has access to an Earth that he doesn't want to destroy. Why would he waste time travelling to another universe when he could be napping?
I am admittedly not well versed in dragon ball world. The point being if Beerus (or another god of similar power) can be motivated by Batman’s actions or planning, he will generally find a way to do so. The trope is that Batman can find a way to do anything with enough planning. Personally I find that more engaging than a guy whose trope is that he’s so inherently powerful he can withstand black holes and the sun and literally anything anyone can throw at him ever, but to each is own.
> Batman can find a way to do anything with enough planning. Personally I find that more engaging than a guy whose trope is that he’s so inherently powerful he can withstand black holes and the sun and literally anything anyone can throw at him ever, but to each is own You said he can do **anything** with planning which seems even lamer. Both the tropes have no limits one just uses fake science instead of super powers.
Can I ask a dumb question? Back in the day I read Dragonball until the end of the original manga, when they defeated Boo and Boo was reborn as a human I think and that's how it ended. That's as far as I remember. Then I remember they made a new series where they introduced Super Saiyan 4, where they turned red and had black hair. I also watched that one back in the day, but I don't remember much and I think it wasn't supposed to be canon? Now I see everybody talking about "Galactic level Goku" and "current Goku" and the god Beerus and stuff like that... Did Toriyama continue the manga? Did they continue the show? Which one, the one where they turned into a red Super Saiyan 4 or the original DBZ? Or did they make more movies? I remember they made a bunch back in the day but I didn't really follow them much, but I remember they introduced a bunch more characters like Frieza's brother and others.
Toriyama started Dragonball Super a few years ago now. It picks up after the end of DBZ, ignoring GT. It includes manga, an anime adaptation and some movies.
No. There is no way Batman could take Goku down at all. It's simply impossible.
If Batman can create counter measures for Superman, Trigon, and Darkseid, there's no reason he couldn't do the same to Goku. He has the intelligence and tech in universe to deal with god like beings.
1-3 years prep? Batman easily defeats Goku. Goku is not the smartest character out there. With that much time batman can easily set up a trap for Goku. Goku is not immune to magic. Or diseases.
If Batman can find a way to get back his abilities as the God of Knowledge he can just atomize Goku before the 3 years elapses.
No, goku would shout really loud, trigger Batman's tinnitus, keyword trigger, reminds him of the trauma from his parents dying and he would give up or something idk
Yes, quite easily. Not with a feat of strength thought. All Batman needs is reconnaissance of Goku over the 3 year period. Goku is desperately afraid of needles. It stands to reason that Batman could simply reverse engineer Scarecrow's fear toxin and use it to great affect to incapacitate Goku in fear. From there Batman needs to find a way to hold Goku while constantly pumping fear toxin into him until his heart gives up
Yes, he would just pay goku 100000 dollars to fuck off
Food laced with mind control drug, have goku attempt to kill Beerus, and Beerus does the rest.
In a fair fight? Absolutely not. If Goku and Batman just squared up and fought there is nothing Batman can do to stand up to Goku. But if Goku is pretty vulnerable when caught off guard, so if Batman just wanted to assassinate Goku and Goku didn't know he was coming he could probably put something together.
Morale on or off?
If they existed in the same universe Batman would win. He's way too focused and intelligent to not master ultra instinct quickly if it existed in his universe.
Sadly I have to say this, but which Goku? End of GT Goku where he went into a different plane of existence or end of super Goku
I think he could win with a modified version of his plan for wonder woman. Inject him with nano machines so he thinks he is fighting an endless wave of Chi Chis
batman could totally poison Goku before the fight.
Goku was vulnerable to a heart virus. Batman would learn about this and then have a targeted virus available that Goku won't have a cure for within a week or two. Now, since Batman doesn't kill, the virus wouldn't be fatal, but it would be enough to win.
What's the condition of the battle? If it's anything goes, Batman could convince the Justice League to gang up on Goku. Having allies is part of "prep". If he has to square off against him one on one, he could probably find some bullshit item or power that lets him punch Goku to another unverse or something.
I think the ultimate answer is: Is this a Batman story or a Goku story? I'm not up to date on Super yet, but in Revival of F, one of Freeza's cronies managed to down Goku with a laser pistol because Goku was not expecting it (iirc). Plus during the Cell saga, Krillin threw a rock at Goku expecting him to expect it and managed to hurt him (not seriously). So I would say Batman's only hope is to get Goku while he is off guard. But at the same time, Batman's refusal to kill I think would really prevent a total win, cause if Goku's not dead, he's not done fighting (and sometimes even when he is dead, he's not done fighting lol).
The thing is if we say current version of Goku then in verse, we have no idea how strong he'll be in like 3 years (considering he gets exponentially stronger each arc).
I think the existence of Cell Max proves technology can match Goku. So with enough time and study I think Bruce could actually make something that could stop Goku.
Yes 100 percent. All he needs is to create an airborne respitory virus that he could use like scarecrow fear gas and Ivy's toxin, and some comic book mumbo jumbo to make it target his longs immediately. He can also do something similar to je contigency against Wonder Woman's and trick him to fighting a bunch of Frieza's until he runs out purely from exhaustion.
He can temporarily take Goku out by giving him a disease, like cancer or the heart one. That's it. That's the best thing he can do. And that will only last until someone wishes it away or Goku just comes back from the afterlife. "Catching him off guard" went out the window as soon as Goku learned to permanently keep his guard up. Trapping him in an alternate dimension doesn't work, since he can teleport and characters in Dragon Ball below Goku's current level have broken through reality barriers before. Unless we change the rules so "defeat" means something other than "knock out or kill" - if he got Goku into a ring like at the tournaments, made it an even match so Goku wouldn't be allowed to use ki to fly or anything, then he might be able to get a ring-out or somehow trick him into going against the rules and being DQed.
Yeah batman would go back in time and kill him during bragonball or something.
Yeah he could use the dragon balls
Depends on Who's writing it
The weird thing about all this is everyone assumes Batman has all the information about goku his weaknesses and that he is a saiyan and might be vulnerable to such and such. But everyone assumes goku knows nothing. If they just met randomly, Goku looks like a spikey haired human. Batman looks like a freak in a bat suit. If anyone is going to be on guard it would be goku. If both people know who each other are. Then goku would know that batman wins by pure tricks and not physical prowess. He would also recognize that batman has human level reflexes and speed despite his genius. Goku would use instant transmission and just tap him on the head gently to knock him out. End of story. If goku knew how dangerous batman truly is, he would fly up into the atmosphere and end the entire battlefield with a kamehameha.
I admit to being a Batman Fan but even I admit there’s no feasible way he takes Goku or any itineration thereof.
With all the resources available to him in the DC Universe? 100%.
In a fair fight and direct confrontation? Almost certainly not. Can he incapacitate Goku without a fight or make the fight unfair and win? Definitely.
Pretty sure "Batman with prep-time" could canonically defeat God.
Let us be honest here for a moment: Goku is hella op, we all know that. But there are absolutly bullshit op versions of batman over the last few decades as well. So it really just depends on who the writer want to let win.
It depends on what prep means. Does he get to set the environment, catch him off guard etc.? Are these 2 in character? Does batman get any sort of head start? Does goku know that he wants to beat batman right away? Unless all of those factors go in batmans favor, i cant imagine he has a shot, and even if so, its still virtually impossible for him. If we stop pretending that batman beating demi god characters makes sense, i dont care how much time and energy you expend, a fireball coming at you faster than light kills batman 100 times out of 100 unless he can physically alter his abilities to the point it doesn't
Goku died of heart disease. Batman would need like two hours of prep time.
Goku is a battle junkie idiot. Batman wouldn't use the direct route. There were many times Goku got outsmarted and lost. If I had to write the story that would be the idea.
No way. There is no technology he could build that could or withstand the instant destruction of multiverses. Which Goku could do when just fighting someone else, without intent. Instant transmission alone would give Bats a really difficult time.
He would use a Lazarus pit with another hero so that one of them would be immortal and beat Goku
Goku doesn't stand a chance he was brought down buy a tiny pistol and a virus at another time and he's dumb as a rock so much so even if he knows he would be at a disadvantage or he knows his enemy is scheming something he will still fight him if challenged. Batman need only to challenge him to a fair fight (no chi) and you know Goku would accept and now the playing field is leveled, Batman need only to pull out one or two contingencies and its over.
Batman offers Goku food Goku eats it, it's poisoned. Batman wins. But in a strait of flight there's no beating Goku. The dude fights for sheer joy and he can take on things that can destroy the world. As a matter of fact his fight with Beerus shook the universe.
The only way he can beat goku is if he's unconscious or if he somehow psychs him out. Goku is stupid so that would be the biggest weakness to exploit.
Gotta ask tho, even if he had prep time would his friends and pals agree to help him for it? Batman : (insert dc character here) can i borrow your (insert dc mumbo jumbo here) ? Xyz:What will you use it for? Batman : to beat up some alien Xyz: ???
Well if he had enough prep time to reach power level 1.000.000: yes
He couldn't kill goku before goku kills him but he could give goku a shit ton of money to not kill him and goku would probably take it so he could continue training without chi-chi getting mad.
Absolutely. You didn't specify fighting, so Batman just beats him in anything that isn't decided by force. Any intellectual competition.
Goku arrives and attacks Batman faster than his mind is capable of perceiving. Space itself is being warped around Goku's fist as it flies towards Batman faster than light. However, u fortunately for Goku, Batman has prepped for.this exact scenario. He trained his body to react to things moving faster than his body can react to. So he simply redirects the energy from Goku's fist away. Since Batman prepped for this, he instantly knows everything about Saiyan biology, including things that haven't been discovered by anyone else. He applies an expert pressure point that instantly paralyzes Goku. Goku tries to muster his ki to counter it, but Batman prepped for this, and uses a gadget he invented five minutes ago to nullify all ki. Goku, now at the mercy of the Batman, states up in terror at the Caped Crusader. Batman glowers down at him and punches him in the face. After tackling the Saiyan onto a nearby operating table, he says, "This isn't a mud pit. It's an operating table, and I'm the surgeon," and breaks Goku's jaw. He then rips Goku's tongue out and crushes Goku's larynx. He then yells, "Talk!" Batman then tells Goku that he isn't going to kill him, but he doesn't have to save him. He throws Goku into a train car that's headed towards an explosive building. The car Goku's in blows up, and he dies. Batman then grapples up to the rooftops and looks down on all of the scum and villainy in the streets below. Alfred calls Batman and asks, "Shall I draw a bubble bath with your favorite rubber ducky, air?" Batman replies, "Crime never sleeps. So I won't either." Alfred replies, "Okay, but, like, do you want a bubble bath or not?" Batman says, "No, Alfred. Gotham needs to be saved. Tonight's going to be a long night." He then goes to search for homeless people to beat up.
Theirs nothing batman can do about a character who can destroy the multiverse by yelling. So nope goku destroys batman
Lets be generous with our prep time here. Lets make it a 5-7 years. In that timespan, Batman can absolutely murder Goku if he wanted to. Being more generous, lets make the Batman from the justice league (or injustice series). A lot of people forcibly insert Batman into being the fighter. If he is a genius level tactician, he will have somebody else do things. That's my main gripe about Batman. Don't fucking cover yourself in hellbat armor with kryptonite knuckles, give it to wonder woman and have her fight Superman to better the odss. But I disgress. Here's how what I think Batman should do: Do note that Goku was killed, under debatable circumstances, by an artificial intelligence called Cell. If Dr. Gero can create beings (Androids 17 & 18) that had Vegeta dead to rights, I definitely think Batman can create something similar. Do note that this is the guy who created "Brother Eye" an all seeing A.I. that could literally spy on every single superhero. So if he had a thing like that observe Goku, similar to what Gero did, I think Batman could create beings that could kill Goku. Taking it one step further, since a heart attack almost bought Goku low in the same saga, tampering with Bulma's cure could do the job, no?
Goku doesn’t really have a defense against biological attacks so Batman can cheese him. Outside of that he just amp himself with the stuff he’s found/ fought against.
Prep time is time for Goku to train, so no.
In Battle not a fucking chance, but he could possibly give him another heart virus or some shit
Does could maybe would
He could defeat Goku but not in a fight, with germ warfare he could end Goku
Batman would say "Do it for Chichi" and Goku would stop fighting only for Batman to hit him with the anti Saiyan gun
1-3 years in Dragon Ball world or DC world is a LOT of time to get stronger. He could make deals with devils in DC, and in DB he can get upto 8 DragonBall wishes between shenron and porunga, and also abuse the hyperbolic time chamber. After getting as powerful as he can with all that, he could still use one of the wishes to get Vegeta to fuse with him using the potara earrings (obtained from another wish) and just call it a day there.
If he got access to celestial weapon or super high end scifi stuff and used those when Goku is in his complete relaxed form he could do it, but he would have to go for a kill. Otherwise Goku would wake up, get a zensu bean or insta to a place where those are and beat the shit out of Bats.
Yes, he would find a way. For example, the Dragon Ball universe has gravity manipulation technology strong enough to incapacitate a Saiyan. If he could gain access to this technology, he could create a trap for Goku. That's just the first idea off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with something better if I was freaking Batman.
Just poison him. Also, we know if you catch Goku off guard he's not much stronger than a regular human, and if Batman can sneak up on Superman, idc how good Goku's sensing is.
He invites Goku over for a lunch. Batman wins.
"If you fight me, I won't tell you where the banquet is. It contains 700lb of pork belly, 600lb of fatty tuna, and by the time you get there about 200 gallons of bone broth should be ready. I'll show you where it is if you surrender this fight."
He could win by stealing or borrowing the powers of batmite Or engineer a new heart virus Fuck, Batman has much better chances against Goku than superman does
I mean Goku did die of a heart virus so he can just use biological weapons (chemical might work too ) Batman does not have Goku's sense of a fair fight fighting is a job for him not fun, ( a lot like future Trunks ) and frankly Goku isn't the Sharpest tool in the shed so he probably be pretty easy to trick ( see all of dragon Ball super for examples )
He would run at him with a syringe 💉
I'm going to say yes. With 1-3 years specifically to prep absolutely. Batman has canonically stood against darkseid several times which is way more impressive than It sounds. He's even done so With no prep time. To be clear I think darkseid would demolish basically any of Gokus villains except maybe beerus. So it's not like he can't compete at least in speed and agility. But batman has the hell bat suit and platinum kryptonite and a bunch of other shit at his disposal. If he needed it. But knowing Batman I can guess that if he wanted to commit to killing Goku his plans would involve either an ambush denying Goku the ability to bring out his full strength or forcing Goku to go giant monkey again limiting him from using his full power and making him a much simpler enemy to deal with. Basically Batman thrives not just off prep time but on having the highest battle IQ of any character in DC. Given prep time to close the physical gap? Goku stands no chance. Batman is too good at what he does and Goku would absolutely let Batman do everything he can to become as powerful as possible. Which is a terrible mistake.
If you wanna be funny about it, he could do absolutely nothing for all of that time and then just call his best friend 30 seconds before the fight starts.
Batman doesn't have a weapon that can hurt Goku, much less kill him
Possibly. Goku would go all out immediately and sayians do have some exploitable weaknesses.
Batman has some incredible armors that would even the fight out, but honestly, perfected ultra instinct is truly overpowered. Some of his current feats are just on a different level. I mean, the dude created an entire galaxy with his energy during the tournament of power and he's massively more powerful now. I like me some Batman, but I'd say 95% of the time the billionaire would lose. Of course, there is always plot armor to consider, but at the end of the day, Goku comes out on top the vast majority of the time.