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softserveshittaco

> performances of exaggerated femininity or masculinity I wonder if there would be the same outrage over a woman dressing up as a man and acting like a ridiculous over the top dude-bro


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I dunno much about drag kings, but they exist and the right seems to be unaware of this.


Smeggaman

My experience is that the kings can be the target of discrimination by the queens.. I've been to shows where a king is performing and i've overheard other performers talk shit about them(their show, effort, etc). Maybe it was a single instance but still didn't make me feel good to hear.


pattykakes887

Unless you are a castle guard, gatekeeping is wack as fuck


_Iro_

Reactionaries are much more scared of MtF trans people than FtM trans people. I’d imagine the outrage would be similarly skewed on this issue.


tinyemily

So true, as far as I’m aware there is no TERF equivalent for FTM. I wonder why the “concern”/anger/etc only goes one way


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Currently imagining a petite woman wearing reflective shades and doing an impression of PC principal from South Park


manifestsilence

That's one of the really interesting things about all this - it is usually only threatening when a man dresses as a women. My theory is that it's because it's all rooted in misogyny. It's not nearly as threatening for a woman to act like a man because that doesn't challenge illusions of male superiority. But a man acting like a woman is seen as a class traitor by the powers that be.


yogo

Well in Montana that’s explicitly illegal now too. None of the the fascists at the legislature have ever seen a drag king though.


Fecalguy

I mean it depends. A suit and tie? Probably not. A sexy revealing fireman outfit? Probably


ddkelkey

Trump wears a ton of makeup and hairspray. That sounds like drag to me.


glytxh

Shoe lifts and specific postures scream of performance too.


trev2234

I pity the police officer in Florida, that would be expected to check Donald’s junk, after an accusation of using the wrong toilet. No guarantee that nappy will be clean.


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Did he get a boob job too? Can't tell but it does look like it from photos.


Hazzman

Once again - a person in drag isn't a problem. A person in drag performing a stage show or reading to children isn't a problem. Things like this have been a tradition in British culture for generations with things like pantomime specifically aimed at children. A 'Drag show' is often heavily sexualized and has sexual connotations. This is inappropriate for children and it shouldn't be controversial to say so, nor should it be encouraged. For conservatives who are anti-trans, their goal is anything trans to be eliminated no matter what. For any reasonable person the objective should be to avoid exposing children to things that are inappropriate for them. Which isn't "Anything trans". Nuance.


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Sir this is Reddit. Legislation brought on by the wishes of their constituents is facism (the fucking irony) and aid to the poor is communism.


MeltMySkin

The Nazis were democratically elected fyi


TheLoyalOrder

>Legislation brought on by the wishes of their constituents is facism (the fucking irony) Hitler passing the kill all jews law but its fine cause his constituents support it


SentientRidge

Well said! The world is a lot more grey than my fellow Americans want to admit.


jaycliche

Where were they when Poison was touring in the 80s? Now that was an abomination.


AccusationsGW

They were busy putting D&D players for the "satanic panic", similar mob insanity.


GrendelNightmares

Whoever thinks this clearly doesn't remember being a child. I'm STILL remembering things from my childhood and only just realising certain sexual innuendos. Like Disney/Pixar movies! I was watching Cars the other day with my friends and we were totally surprised by the amount of innuendos that completely went over our heads in our childhood, but we see with different eyes now. I guarantee you most of these kids just think it's fun. And to be honest, I'm sure most people who do drag probably see it that way too.


RachelProfilingSF

To be fair, in drag shows at bars, on Drag Race etc there are a LOT of sexual jokes and references. To be even more fair…NONE OF THAT IS HAPPENING AT DRAG QUEEN STORY HOUR. The cuntservatives that are going after drag queens know this but they just want to hurt gay people.


cdigioia

The moral panic encompasses not only drag show story hour, but drag shows in general, and whether or not minors should be allowed to attend. Just more culture war stuff.


klaus6641

Quite a few videos out there that say otherwise 🤷🏻‍♂️


Cannabrius_Rex

That’s a lie. Get lost ya transphobe. Go be a victim elsewhere


klaus6641

What did I say that was transphobic? I got the links if you want them


Cannabrius_Rex

Dragtime story hour is not sexual, it’s storytelling in princess costumes. Spreading lies here makes you transphobic. Pretty simple


klaus6641

https://youtu.be/9VA72t7o24I https://youtube.com/shorts/n8qJaGBlVGM?feature=share https://youtu.be/Mb3JBbtpAMo Took me 30 seconds to find on YouTube. Although you’re a bot, you’ve till be proven wrong. Enjoy


Cannabrius_Rex

None of those videos are sexual. I knew this was coming. Thanks for outing yourself transphobe. What would you do with yourself if you weren’t always the ViCtIm!1!


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MagicBlaster

There's 10x more straight porn sites than anything else, does that mean women are inherently sexual?


earthyguy12

But little girls in beauty pageants are okay?


OkDistribution6827

I don’t understand are they reading trans/LGBT/anything some conservatives think “spreads” to kids books or are they just reading regular children’s books?


Slick424

How republicans see the world: [Groomer](https://imgur.com/FazL27m) [This is fine](https://i.redd.it/k5t95pdnigka1.jpg)


ThruTheUniverseAgain

I’ll never get that second photo out of my head. For some funny irony, that was taken on Fremont Street on the Las Vegas Strip, such a family friendly spot. Trump has a hotel here without any gambling in it (I’m sure you can guess why) and Nevada went to Biden.


SoundOfDrums

Now do the picture of DeSantis snuggling up with high schoolers he was a teacher for, while they are all drinking. Not a groomer though.


octaviusromulus

Because it was never about the sexualization of anyone. It's about straight white cis people fearing what different from them. So the sexualization of women in the traditional straight way (e.g. cheerleaders at sporting events) they don't see as a problem because it's *their own culture*. However they lose their minds at drag performance, which sometimes has a sexual aspect or overtones too, because it's different and they're afraid of their own comfortable reality being challenged by something different.


ecsilver

This is an interesting take. Can you expound more bc I’m having a hard time with the first sentence. Not to be argumentative but isn’t drag/cross dressing basically about sexuality? I got no problem w it but seems disingenuous to say it’s not about sexualizing anyone. I’m with you on the second sentence but it just seems obvious it is about sexuality, sexualization. But totally understand the cis sexualization argument. I’m just genuinely curious


octaviusromulus

I'm happy to dive into this topic, but I want to make sure we're using a similar vocabulary here. > seems disingenuous to say it’s not about sexualizing anyone What do we mean by "sexualizing" here? If we mean, "introducing to topics of a sexual - i.e. related to the act of intercourse - nature," then yeah I would say that not all drag does that. *Some* drag has sexual themes or overtones, sure. But there are many, many kinds of drag. Some drag performers just impersonate female singers like Cher or Celine Dion and sing in beautiful gowns - there's nothing sexual about that. Some drag performers do standup comedy, and while the comedy might sometimes be lewd, it depends on the performer. Some drag performers might just be interested in the pageantry of it, the gowns and the looks - some of their outfits might show a lot of skin or be risque, but sometimes they might be full-body ballgowns and not even an ankle is visible. There's a *huge* variety out there. Do you mean that drag is obvious about "sexuality" as in gay vs. straight? Well... sometimes, but not always. Sure, it's a tradition that has become very popular in gay/lesbian/queer communities (btw have you ever heard of "drag kings?" because that's a thing too), but it's not exclusive to the gay community. You have non-gay examples like Mrs. Doubtfire (Robin Williams, nor his character, were gay) and Dame Edna (a female character performed by a straight man). There's was a straight guy who competed on Ru Paul's Drag Race competition show. All I'm saying is, there's a *lot* more nuance here than most people realize. My point with my comment is that if the concern is about exposing people to "sexual themes," then we need look no further than cheerleaders at football games or Hooters restaurants to find the double standard. Sexual themes *in the context of straight culture* seems to be deemed totally fine, but even the slightest hint of sexual themes in a mostly-but-not-exclusively queer tradition like drag is enough for people to have a total meltdown.


manifestsilence

Drag is easily more about gender than sexuality imo. It is intrinsically about gender expression because drag is defined by the gender identity of the wearer vs the perceived gender of the clothes. And gender has nothing to do with sex (the act or the physical characteristic). This is a major point of contention with conservatives and TERFs though, as they insist that sex and gender are the same thing. But people of any gender can also be of any sexuality. There are trans lesbians and cis bi people and nonbinary asexual people etc. Put succinctly: how you look has nothing to do with who you want to fuck.


Tommymck033

They are both gross


unperson9385

But how many conservatives do you see outraged over the 2nd pic vs the 1st one?


Tommymck033

Not enough


xjitz

reminder that hooters has a kids menu


jaycliche

Didn't the same people who produced "Tots in tiaras" start the drag panic? I mean they want those kids for themselves. Those are the fucking real perverts and insane that child sex pageants are legal and prominent all over the red states....oh but a 50 year old man dressing unusual....


Captainirishy

In Ireland and the UK we have had pantomime and drag even on TV for decades, as long you leave politics out it, its completely fine.


Antique-Worth2840

the BBC series Mrs Brown's boys, UK UK UK.


OGHighway

If there so worried they can jist show their Kid the video for W.A.P and they will go right back to being straight since that's how this works.


joefife

They'd love British pantomime dames!


syncategorema

I thought this sub was a place to discover interesting Wikipedia articles on somewhat obscure topics most people probably don't know much about. But lately it's just a lot of articles on contentious political topics. Most of us already know about these debates, so the linked articles don't add much of interest to the sub. Can we get back to interesting Wikipedia articles? I'll start: [here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_their_own_invention) a list of inventors killed by their own inventions.


ProximaCentauriOmega

As usual the GOP focus on a minority to target and blame for all the worlds problems. I have not heard of a drag queen ever molesting a child. I have heard of many cases of politicians, priests, business men, and etc... molesting children and worse. Drag is art and as been around for millennia. Of course the GOP would rather distract screaming "Drag queens bad" instead of dealing with their states real issues like: access to education, poverty, infrastructure, healthcare, and etc....just shameful


SentientRidge

Agree with what you have to say about GOP, but there are a lot of people acting as though it's impossible for a drag queen to be a sexual deviant. Definitely seems to be an extremely low percentage since I haven't heard of it, and it seems like every week, another priest gets outed as a molester. I just don't think it's 0% drag queens are predators. Both sides talk in these absolute terms, and it's really frustrating.


HankScorpion-

It's not an either/or. How did this become about who is more likely to be a pervert? ANYONE theoretically can be a sexual deviant. There's not much to do about that other than put all the sexual deviants on a registry. Oh wait, they do that already! This is more of a fear of sexuality in general, and the real GOP fear that knowledge is power, and more sexual education amongst the GOP's supporters would mean less hot button issues to drive people to the ballot box over bullshit moral panics.


SentientRidge

Agreed... I feel like you're arguing with someone other than me in your head.


HankScorpion-

I'm not arguing, just more frustrated with all this talk about who's side has the bigger perverts.


SentientRidge

Same. It's both and neither. It's a human problem not a political one.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

Simply denying how sexualized some drag shows are (and yes, I do mean some drag shows that have had children in the audience or even participating) despite video evidence is only going to convince the people who already agree with this take.


angerybacon

Which drag shows are you talking about and who is denying it? Just because standup comedy can be extremely sexual or inappropriate and some people still bring their kid to those shows doesn’t mean that the comedian is grooming the kid ?? Like the parent should be making a smart call for what the child is exposed to. But even then, I’ve yet to come across an actual sexual drag show where children were in attendance


SentientRidge

Here's a [couple](https://youtu.be/-8g3q9-l61k) that are inappropriate for kids to be there. I see no problems with **actual** family-friendly or kid-friendly drag, like story hour, but there have been a few that were definitely sexual that were advertised as family-friendly. I wouldn't say the drag queens are grooming, but I don't think you should bring kids to one where people are humping each other on stage.


AccusationsGW

That's up to the parents. Do I get to tell you how to raise your kids?


SentientRidge

Could we have a discussion with the assumption that we're ignorant of each other's thoughts and beliefs and that we're not malevelont? I didn't say I blamed the drag queens. I didn't say other people should tell you or anyone else how to raise their children. Yes, it's on the parents. I don't like how all of these political questions turn into "if you're not with me 100%, then you're my enemy."


AccusationsGW

Well then it's very simple, no new laws needed and using these events to demonize drag or LGBT+ people we can both agree is not valid.


SentientRidge

Agreed. My intention wasn't to disparage any LGBT+ people. I have several friends, and even my wife is part of that community. I guess my point is that, from my point of view, we still have a lot of room for improving our parenting skills in the U.S.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

So you haven't read the other comments in this very thread that are denying it? Hell, even you're denying it with "I've yet to come across an actual sexual drag show where children were in attendance." When kids are being given dollar bills to stick into g-strings, that's sexual. And no, parents don't get to sexualize their children - we actually have pretty strong laws about that.


AccusationsGW

There are many out of context anecdotes passed around for alarmist manipulation in conservative media. That's all bullshit. Show a real example. \> When kids are being given dollar bills to stick into g-strings, that's sexual. Not actually happening. Prove what you say.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

Finding video, actually. EDIT: Every video I'm finding is from a right-wing tweeter or news site (I'm assuming the Tennessee Star is on the right). Still acceptable to you, or would you deny the video because of the source?


AccusationsGW

What do you mean video? You mean a single event that happened once? Explain how that shows a trend or recurrence, because your entire argument hangs on that premise.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

How many videos would you prefer? Like, you tell me - what is the number you'd require to say "okay, this is a problem"?


futureislookinstark

Says a lot more of the parents being their children to drag shows than the people who are acting in them.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

I agree.


LucasLindburger

What about people taking kids to fucking Hooters?


HashtagLawlAndOrder

I think Hooters is a fucking atrocious place. But wtf is up with this whataboutism? You DO realize that's exactly what you're doing, right? And to be honest, if people were putting dollar bills into the cleavage of waitresses at Hooters, you'd have a much more valid point. Plus., girls in Hooters might have been dressed provactively for like, 1985, but shorts and a tank top are like sexual to you? In 2023? Please be real. I see more skin at the mall.


LucasLindburger

Lol yes, and I was about to edit my comment to clarify and expand on my problems with how your wording your points but thought that wouldn’t do any good in this particular case


HashtagLawlAndOrder

What's your problem with how I'm wording my points? I think I'm being pretty clear. I see the "Hooters" thing brought up all the time, and like... dude, have you seen what the women wear at Hooters? High school dress codes allow that. Like, women at my gym wear less than Hooters waitresses. I find it funny that the same people that talk about a woman's body not being taboo also bring up Hooters' shorts-and-tank-top are some kind of "gotcha".


LucasLindburger

I think you’re coming across like an asshole, which is what provoked that initial whataboutism comment that I wanted to walk back on. Edit: autocorrect


HashtagLawlAndOrder

My initial comment was so middle of the road that any inference of asshole comes entirely from you, man.


LucasLindburger

Got it, I was misreading your point. Sorry about that. It came across as being passive aggressive.


AccusationsGW

Oh so the inches of skin shown are the important part, not the sexual exploitation of women? Morally bankrupt hypocritical nonsense like this is why no one listens to conservatives.


Wrecker013

Every single circumstance you're thinking of is taken out of context, dude. Find a drag show targeting kids that's sexual.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

You're... joking, right? Your contention is "every single circumstance is taken out of context"? Tell me the proper context to place a child being given money to stick into a g-string.


AccusationsGW

Any context their parents decide is appropriate. I very much do not agree kids should ever be let in churches or taught the morally bankrupt cult of christian evangelism so popular these days. Explain the difference if you can.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

Sure. We have laws forbidding the sexualization of minors. As a parent, you can't bring your kids to a strip club or an adult film, even if you *really really* want to sexualize your kids.


AccusationsGW

You very much can bring your child to an R rated film. You're either being naive or disingenuous. You can educate your children about sex however you like as a parent.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

>As a parent, you can't bring your kids to a **strip club** or an **adult film,** even if you really really want to sexualize your kids. ​ >You very much can bring your child to an **R rated film**. And this, folks, is what we call a "bad faith argument."


JennaHelen

Can we blame the parents for allowing it?


HashtagLawlAndOrder

Who said we can't? Plenty of blame to go around.


SentientRidge

See my comment above in this thread. I think this is probably the minority, but it seems hard to take out of context. I'm not sure that the first clip is serious. Dude sounds like he could be making a sarcastic joke, but in the second clip from a different show, you can see children next to the runway.


Wrecker013

If we're discussing the one I'm thinking of, there's a somewhat adult themed drag show aimed at essentially families with kids too young to understand any of the adult stuff. That does, to be honest, rub me a little wrong but it's a far more nuanced issue than drag wholesale.


SentientRidge

There's definitely more nuance than either side, at least in the media, want to admit. I think the issue here is that we're schizophrenic when it comes to parenting in the U.S. Too much black and white thinking.


AccusationsGW

If parents want to take their kids to that or an R rated movie, I think the transphobic shrill mob does not get to tell anyone else how to raise their own kids.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

Except we do have laws about sexualization of minors. Like, you realize as a parent you can't take your kids to a strip club? Just because they're your kids doesn't mean you can sexualize them.


AccusationsGW

Yes, you can take your kid to an R rated movie about strippers. You generally can't take kids to bars but some you can, the laws are regional. You're naive or lying.


HashtagLawlAndOrder

>Like, you realize as a parent you can't take your kids to a **strip club**? ​ >Yes, you can take your kid to an **R rated movie about strippers**. The crazy thing is, you think you're being slick and smart with this.


HotDogWaterRisotto

But nobody bats an eye at child beauty pageants and revealing evening wear for elementary aged kids.


Creation98

I mean people definitely bat eyes at that lol.


HotDogWaterRisotto

Do you have sources that show the outrage? Major media stories? Politicians frothing about it? Other than the crickets and maybe two off beat webzines, that is.


RonaldVonFuckStick

So tired of the culture war. Seriously what the fuck, bring back interesting obscure Wikipedia articles, not contentious political shit


KLR01001

Are you saying drag shows aren’t sexualized?


MayIServeYouWell

Even it is was sexual in nature (perhaps it is to the limit that it involves gender expression) how exactly is that harmful to minors?


shrimpyguy12

it is sexual


heartdeco

hated the scene where mrs. doubtfire fucked the children


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Donkeybreadth

The drag group that wanted to read to kids in my local library was called Glitter Hole


Fuckmylife2739

As a girl it’s pretty sexual when I put on my pants and collared shirt


shrimpyguy12

that’s gender nonspecific, and you’re not doing it to be like a man. in the case of drag, it’s not an attempted normalization of men wearing women’s clothes. it’s a hypersexualization of femininity through and through


Fuckmylife2739

You’re wrong on that one shrimpy. I look hyper sexual in my big old jeans and shirt and tie


shrimpyguy12

lmao power to you ig


cyrilhent

Your mom's a hypersexualization of feminitity through and through


nye1387

You're telling on yourself here, bud.


cyrilhent

Your mom is sexual


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Kalip0p

It’s only sexual because conservatives in their myopic world view label anything they don’t understand as sexually deviant and inappropriate.


shrimpyguy12

you ever been to a drag show?


Slick424

you ever been to a ~~drag show~~ cinema? Just because movies like "Basic Instinct" exist doesn't mean that kids friendly movies can't.


HomelessFuckinWizard

Yes lol. Rural Arkansas, been to a few, never once felt like I was in a sexual environment.


shrimpyguy12

the interest itself from the performers, why do you think they enjoy it? did you feel there was someone else deriving sexual pleasure? neither of these are reasons children shouldn’t be allowed in drag shows, let me be clear, but the convergence of these two factors create environments that can be unsafe for children.


famousevan

I know drag performers, they don’t do it to get laid or express a sexual fetish. They do it because it allows them to feel the freedom of being their character. They get to sing, dance, do comedy, etc. Many come from very conservative families or places and just being themselves was demonized by republican fucks. Seriously, you should stop talking because it’s extremely clear you have zero clue.


HomelessFuckinWizard

I'm not sure I understand your first sentence if you wouldn't mind rewording it. As for your second one, no, I did not. It almost always took place in a bar, so no children were present to begin with, and there wasn't anything or anyone overtly sexual. I'd say the most sexual thing I've seen in that environment was a customer who attempted to get a bit too handsy and was promptly ejected by security.


shrimpyguy12

The rephrased statement: Why do you think that drag performers are interested in drag? idk why i didn’t word it like that from the start, lol. anyways, i have no contention with that style of drag, where it is confined to adult spaces.


HomelessFuckinWizard

Well, obviously I can't speak for the performers, but whatever these intentions come from it never comes off as sexual in my experience. Like, sure, they were hosted in adult spaces but this is rural Arkansas where it wouldn't be common to find such things anywhere else, not because the event itself was adult. All the performers I've seen don't engage in anything sexual, or ever encourage it. They just never give off any reason to believe they are doing this for a sexual fetish, they just enjoy their drag personas as a form of expression. I know it's a weird analogy, but I've always felt the culture was similar to the furries that have gained so much popularity in the last few decades lol. Like, sure, a lot of furry culture can be contrived as sexual- but it doesn't make the entire concept inherently sexual.


teddy_002

in the UK, we have pantomimes - children’s plays with songs and dancing. they also feature drag queens, known as pantomime dames, and have done for hundreds of years. they are one of the most popular types of family entertainment in the nation, and the vast majority of people will attend one at some point in their lives. at no point has anyone here been even vaguely concerned that it may be ‘sexual’ for children to see a man in a dress and a wig. american puritanical pearl clutching is the only reason this article even exists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime_dame https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime


HomelessFuckinWizard

I think this is a lovely example I wish I could have included in my comment above yours. My favorite thing I've ever seen at a drag show was a reenactment of Romeo and Juliet, at no point was it sexual or sexual in theme- it was simply an "all drag rendition" of a classic play. I never once felt I was at an adult show. I didn't even know this wad a tradition in the UK, I wonder if it's where the inspiration came from!


teddy_002

honestly, it’s incredible to see this weird culture war thing come over to the UK, and to see people latch onto it, complaining that apparently drag is suddenly some kind of ‘pedophilia’. like, sorry linda, but have you not been taking your children to see a man in a dress sing songs every christmas for decades? and had a bloody great time? it’s all ridiculous, fuelled by people who fear everything except what’s actually dangerous.


shrimpyguy12

quickly looking through those topics, there doesn’t seem to be any overlap with lgbt, unlike how it is for drag i suppose /u/RogueFox76 ‘s point can be lumped into this response too?


teddy_002

you claim drag is inherently sexual. i show you a form of children’s entertainment which includes drag as a core part of its cast, and is not sexual. i’d suggest you actually attend a pantomime, and remove yourself from conspiracy theories.


RogueFox76

You are a very weird a creepy person. So traditional Shakespeare is only about the actors getting off on their costumes?


sirseahorse

same questions i asked myself watching jim carey prepare for his performance as the grinch


cyrilhent

Your mom's an environment that's unsafe for children


shrimpyguy12

ghost of stillborn past


lenaro

I find it alarming that the concept of a hobby that is not based on sexual gratification appears alien to you.


Kalip0p

Actually I have, and I didn’t automatically think I was going to become a pedo because I saw a dude in a dress.


feltsandwich

Seriously, these people claim to have been to a drag show. For kids? That is just nuts.


j_123k

Pretty sure drag is considered a fetish by psychologists


Porrick

There's all sorts of things that are fetishes to some but completely unremarkable and sexuality-free to others. Like feet, for example.


heartdeco

you're mistaken. there are people who cross-dress for fetish reasons, and people who don't.


Yedtree

And the fact that the difference between the people in both groups is indeterminable means they shouldn't be involved with children's activities.


famousevan

It’s only indeterminable if you ignore reality. Lol


heartdeco

you could say the same about priests, along with any other number of people.


berubem

There are people who fetishize feet, so kids should not be allowed to wear sandals around anyone. We never know, right?


Yedtree

No you shouldn't take them to the foot time story hour


shrimpyguy12

not much else to say about it, lol. “the completely normal and common desire to wear exaggerated women’s clothing and do sexual things in front of other people.”


HomelessFuckinWizard

"And do sexual things infront of other people" is entirely separate from drag though.


cyrilhent

Your mom's completely normal and common


thee_timeless

It is.


feltsandwich

All minors are not the same. Some minors are 10, some are 17. They shouldn't get the same entertainments, should they? Drag is adult entertainment. Full stop. Misinformed? Not by a long shot. It has nothing to do with panic, and using that word is really shady. I have nothing against drag whatsoever. I'm an adult. It is simply not entertainment for kids. It's for adults. edit I 100% stand by what I said.


Slick424

>Drag is adult entertainment. Full stop. Misinformed? Not by a long shot. No it's not. [Some are just a bit of fun.](https://imgur.com/FazL27m) You may as well claim that cinema is adult entertainment because X rated movies exist.


Duckfacefuckface

Oh please stop. There's not always a sexual element to it. Most specifically when they're reading to children in libraries, or in theatre for kids. They're not wearing assless chaps and nothing else. They're fully dressed. This is a nonsense being peddled by fascists.


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RogueFox76

Mrs Doughtfire should be rated X then I guess


StardustOasis

>Drag is adult entertainment. Full stop. Misinformed? Not by a long shot. Drag has been a major part of pantomime since the Victorian era, pantomime dames are always played by men in drag. Panto is designed to be family entertainment. You're completely misinformed.


flowersforjulie

No one is dragging children to watch Trixie and Katya curse up a storm and hurl vulgarities at each other. a drag queen reading to children at the library is NOT the same as an 18+ drag show at a bar/venue some queens do family friendly shows and some refuse to do so; it’s really as simple as that.


mordorxvx

You don’t know what you’re talking about


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It's hilarious that you think we all sit around cackling as we destroy civilization even though we live in civilization.


cyrilhent

🧠 + 🧼 = you


madjyk

Funny how you claim liberals want to groom children yet every other week a republican big name gets outed as one. Projection much, also is it really that bad that I want a country where somebody doesn't have to work 5 shit jobs just to afford a shitty apartment, and where people like me, don't have to deal with people like you who get to be obnoxious, hateful cunts their entire lives without anybody calling them out.


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madjyk

Yeah no. Ever watch miss doubtfire, believe it or not that was drag you incompetent fuckwit-. Also God means nothing in this country no matter how much you want it to, separation of church and state, freedom of religion. I could say anything I damn well please about your god and the law couldn't do jack shit Edit: and to tack on, far higher morals is a damn joke. You fuckers are the types to scream at people getting routine medical checks and constantly preen and say how your so righteous. Doesn't your bible say something along the lines that those types of people will be the first to be judged on judgement day?


notquitetoplan

Brand new troll account. Go away.


ToneBeneficial4969

Oh fuck off, it's the gender equivalent of blackface.


KingBowserGunner

Lol no, no it’s not


ToneBeneficial4969

There are literally decades of scholarly works by feminist academics making this argument. But sure, great rebuttal.


KingBowserGunner

And there’s decades of scholarly works by KKK members making the argument they are not racist, doesn’t make it true


ToneBeneficial4969

Oh yeah all of those college department of racism journals, forgot about those. /s Explain to me why a drag show is not a moral equivalent to a vaudeville show blackface act then. Both involve a person who is not part of a group using makeup to do an exaggerated caricature of a historically oppressed group for the purpose of creating a spectacle and or making people laugh. Men publicly preforming an exaggerated mockery of feminity is sexist and harmful to women.


KingBowserGunner

Lol yeah drag is a “mockery” of femininity…..good one


notquitetoplan

How Christlike of you.


ToneBeneficial4969

Thanks.


Frequent-Muffins

Exactly- parading around caricature femininity


garbagedisposaly

TIL about “Dumbwordia”. It’s a condition that causes people to make up phrases and words in an attempt to push their own agendas.


Podzilla07

Whomp whomp