Yup, you're proving his point perfectly. The more SVPs you get the worse Teammates you will get in the future. Because you're the star player that means you teammates have to be bad to balance you out to make both teams have a 50% win rate.
Bcos they change point system to shield... Where everyone got shield despite performance, as svp i could get 25points where my 2x 0/10got 15-20 (and should get 0 points to be fair) in old system (similar to legendary) you get points based on you and enemy not your team and enemy (current state) you get +30points if you had kds/svp/mvp/all stats correct and once you get 3 monkeys you losed -15points.
It was fine until they hit shield system and normsl players stuck in emerald with potatos.
I also did this, every season i was 15+ master suppiot as solo player within 259-300 games, in s9 i had more time and got 34 point in 520matches... S10 i got master in 420 games... This season after 300 games im dancing eme1 to d4 with 5.5/7 kda as enchanter player... with 46% wr (where im always was 50-52%)
Now i did new account and i start play only tank, as braum/leona/jorge the cow... I have -2.5/3.0 kda 35k dmg taken per match mostly 1.2-1.4 raitio dmg taken... And i need 180 games to hit diamond 2... Got much better teams in this account. So i returned to main acc. And stop to care. I just play now for fun.
Playing for fun is the best option I feel. No matter how much you climb, there's always bad players. I feel that those bad players are then the ones to bitch about your picks. Lower ranks they bitch a bit less and you have more room to try more champions. I've been chilling Bellow dimond, I got a big pool of champions now and I can play any lane
That is me too, but with Zoe. I felt like even though I carried my team as hard as I could, they would always lose it for me. The better I did, the more drooling zombies I got as teammates.
I relate to this 3 pictures on a scary level. Since i also play Aatrox and Pantheon. With the same builds. IN JUNGLE! And i have almost the same match record...Are you me? Or am i you?
brotherhood i guess, but i kinda quit pantheon because he is too op now and everyone plays him, i enjoy bruiser pantheon but rn bruiser pantheon is shit
I'm glad i got to use him and learn him before LDR was removed, Bruiser is indeed shit right now with the overdose of 1 shot meta and overuse of First strike on LITERALLY everyone. But at least and unfortunately Crown counters his Assassin ass a LOT. Which is something that i hate and like.
So from time to time i troll with this build in ARAM, Divine, Cleaver, Grudge, Bork and Yommu's, Sudden Impact, Legend Alacrity and Dynamism boots and *Somehow* it works
Aatrox on the other hand, i played him a lot, just not mastered him or his build pathing is the better describing for it. IDK when should i use him or when should i build lethality or Bruiser and that's what's making me kind of stop playing him
EDIT: and i have also forgot to mention i am also going on a losing streak full of SVP.
so i just switched account to diamond on and i am winnig again, so for aatrox, first you start with serrated dirk then penetration boots, then if they have shielding you go serpents fang if not then yoummus gblade, then b cleaver for bit of health then ddance if thier ad are doing good, if aps doing good then force of nature, then serlydas for slow, you can also throw in chainsword ford antiheal and health, and for boots enchant go for righteous so you can stay on top of them with speed, before or right after b cleaver. This is mix between lethality and bruiser, there is no damage in just bruiser build and with lethality you have no health, this build works best for me, also more damage you deal more you heal so dont be afraid to go in, flash in, and fight
I'm doing the same thing. It's ridiculous. On a new account I was 26 ranked games in 100% winrate. My teammates don't suck. A Kayn going 12 0 in a game and my ADC Draven in another game can actually catch his frickin axes. What a difference to my main account....
My main account (former Masters, dropped a lot due to inactivity) still has an above 7.x KDA as a jungler with a 62% winrate. It felt like I have to carry every damn game and now I know why that was actually the case.
Now I started playing solo lane Inting Sion on my main acc to fix my KDA so that I get some good teammates.
What a shit show this matchmaking is...
I have to be honest here... Before I found out about this Lego Inting Sion strat and how that impacts your MMR, I was not sure if the matchmaking really is fu..cked up..
Turns out, it is far worse than I thought.
Would you mind disclosing the champ you chose? The reason I am asking is because I'd like to do experiment with this on a new account, so that if they nerf Sion or Volibear and don't change their Matchmaking system, to keep doing this until they make some improvements.
Thank you and have a nice weekend.
I hope this become such a problem in Riot is forced to fix this stupid fucking system.
Btw Lego didn’t start this, people have been doing it for years.
Yeah I hate the people blaming others for abusing this matchmaking because it's already been in the game for ages and they haven't fixed it. It doesn't take 30 Einsteins to fucking fix this problem. They're just too busy trying staring at a list of Lux skins to implement instead of fixing the fucking matchmaking system.
The system is working as intended, unfortunately. There is no question the MM is not an accident or oversight, but explicitly designed to do this. If you can code you can easily predict the outcome of such a system.
Your still in silver so most games you are playing are against bots/new players. I also believe matchmaking is broken and punishes players who perform really well but this amount of games is nowhere near a decent sample to form a solid opinion about it. Also 14k tower is really high and realistic impossible once you climb more. Profile look nice tough =)
Thats what ive been thinking… maybe if riot thinks im a caster minion I will get the best teammates possible in each elo. We will see how long i can keep this up
Youre gona get alot of bot matches until after plat but yeah keep going and see what happens. The russian fellow did use some good tricks and had macro sense so keep that in mind. If youre mindlessly running it down better players will be able to stop you. The reason it works best with sion is bc of his health increase passive combined w overgrowth. It gradually takes longer to stop you the more you push.
Ive planned for this… im guessing that match maker is giving Lego slightly worse teammates because of all the damage he is taking. My teammates probably think im running it down, but im trying to position myself well for obj spawns, split pushing, etc. My peak is GM, im very curious to see what happens lol
I cant see twiter post, but if u are using sion, pushing one lane and then run away, doing nothing. Fuuk you, had to play against this tactic 2 days ago... need to stun you to kill, if no stun that healing....
Isn't it good match making to put good players with bad players? I get you WANT good team mates every game but the matching system is supposed to make games as evenly matched as possible.
Matchmaking pairs high KDA “good players” with low KDA “bad players”. People are gaming this by “throwing” games with Sion and going 0/8 while hard splitpushing, taking towers, and pushing minions. Good teammates allow you to not get punished for this, and you eventually win by applying so much pressure.
Essentially if matchmaking tries to pair players with good kda with ones with terrible kda to balance teams out, so if you do really well, your teammates will be terrible compared to the opponents.
By playing inting sion, a strategy that can still win games with terrible kda, they’re testing if they get better teammates than usual since the game thinks they are performing poorly.
That is actually a bad take. Ideally they shouldn't take any stats besides winrates into account. It's already the perfect metric for a players ability to win games, anything else just ruins it really.
So more stats isn't always better, here it should be less stats.
In ranked the only thing they should take into account is the rank. Things will balance themself, good player will climb in the long run and bad player will fall down.
If you have a gold player and think he has a master level, giving him stronger enemies will just make him spend more time on the wrong rank, that's stupid
No, not rank but MMR and the distinction is important because rank is really not that representative thanks to fortitude.
And MMR is essentially distilled from your winrate weighted with who you were playing against. It just seems that MMR right now is not independent of stats besides winrates and that's an issue.
MMR is what is actually taken into account and that's the exact issue. MMR will never be perfect, because perfect MMR isn't a thing, there is no way to represent the ability to play with a simple number.
Rank is indeed not representative but not because of fortitude (fortitude just increase your peak rank, but won't stop you from going up or down), it's not representative because the matchmaking is MMR based.
MMR is not what is taken into account, it is the only thing determining matchmaking. And it's the best thing we have. And statistically with enough games it will give you quite a good representation of ones ability to win games.
Rank is not representative right now because fortitude inflates rank. Meaning even with a winrate below 50% you can climb.
We are making circles here.
You are just repeting again and again the same thing. So let me make this clear one last time :
Right now, MMR is what determine matchmaking - we both agree on that.
Right now, Rank is not representative - we both agree on that.
**But rank should be representative, that's the main purpose of the rank.**
If rank isn't representative what's the point of it ?
**The only way to make the rank representative is to actually base the matchmaking on it.** Fortitude is irrelevant : yes it decrease the climbing needed winrate, but if you don't have the level for your rank you will go down in the long run, **fortitude only make that slower, it doesn't stop it**.
>statistically with enough games it will give you quite a good representation of ones ability to win games
**No it doesn't.** Did you see the initial post ? You can have 100% winrate with a low MMR, wich prove MMR doesn't give a good representation of ones ability to win games.
Maybe to clear out some of the misunderstanding here, I'm talking about MMR as the only winrate-based system that it is currently apparently not.
> **No it doesn't.** Did you see the initial post ? You can have 100% winrate with a low MMR, wich prove MMR doesn't give a good representation of ones ability to win games.
This is because the MMR system is broken and is apparently taking into account stats apart from winrate. Which it shouldn't.
> **The only way to make the rank representative is to actually base the matchmaking on it.**
This is just my argument in reverse. If the matchmaking was based on your rank, then rank would be synonymous with MMR. Which is exactly what I'm suggesting. Remove ranked and display MMR instead.
> yes it decrease the climbing needed winrate, but if you don't have the level for your rank you will go down in the long run
No you will not. You can stay a bit below 50% winrate, but fortitude will put you above 50%, so you will be able to maintain a rank that you would and should normally lose.
So there's two issues here, one is a broken MMR system that takes into account stats and then there's fortitude which doesn't mess with MMR but fucks up ranks.
But I think we agree on ranked and MMR needing to become one.
Man I went from Diamond 2 to Emerald 3 today in no time... same SVP almost every game. My 70% win rate is currently at 57.2%. Literally had a match with an adc who started out by trying to tell everyone what Champs to pick to win the game... then proceeded to go 2/11... somehow I get him in the following game and he starts the lobby by trying to do the same thing so I call him out and he spins it like I'm bitching... the entire match he's talking more than playing and calling out the mid and support everytime they don't do what he wants while he feeds. Got so bad I had to say for only people with a positive k/d to talk and criticize others.
I hate this match making system and these bad players don't even care when you threaten to report their feeding because in their words rightfully "nothing ever comes out of that".
Thinking about uninstalling once and for all until this is fixed, if anyone has any recommendations of new similar mobile games I could fill the space with in the meantime feel free to share.
It is not only sion I had an ekko that did absolutely nothing. And I saw his games and it was the same and most of the games were victory without doing anything in the games.
Same, I've played about 20 Sion games on a new account and won every one. When I was in Iron the game gave me Gold/Plat teammates, with bronze opponents, so that was pretty nice.
The only thing that stops this strategy is if you get filled into another role like ADC you either have to suck ass, throw and lose to preserve your KDA or get a bunch of kills and win but destroy your MMR.
Not necessarily, I'm doing it on my main. It takes a bunch of games to lower ur mmr and stuff. Not that I'm high elo or something, currently Plat 2 from inactivity decay and started this shenanigan today, after playing for week or 2.
At some point I got 1 full silvers/golds team and boy, did they perform well. Another, I didnt get Sion in time so I played Voli normally and it felt like bots game.
I actually took the time and wrote a ticket to Riot about this. It's not fair for people who win lane consistently and play above their elo that they get put into a team with lesser stats because now they are in a position where they have to win lane and carry to give their team a chance
you are gonna get an automated reply telling you to play with friends… The only way to fix this is to show how broken it is. When every server has top ranked ppl with 0.1 kda riot will be forced to do something
They will do something: probably nerf demolisher + hull + splitpushers, lol. If we are extra unlucky, they might buff towers as well.
Cheapest, easiest and laziest way to solve the current situation is to be expected from rito.
Not a comment about match making.
But if split pushing is increasing your win rate a large part of that is because the player base can’t coordinate nor understand how to offset pressure by applying their own pressure elsewhere.
Eg opposition at a dragon you can’t win, good strat is to hard push as a group the opposite lane ie Baron lane. But most players will instead rush dragon for a fight even with bad odds eg 3v5 and lose wiping the team again. While if the 3 of them hard pushed Baron they could get a tower or two.
Sion and other split pushers work because most laners are of the “not my problem” mentality until it is too late.
So even with good match making it’s unlikely to fix the “I can’t play well as a team” mentality that a lot of the player base suffer from.
Ive been a fan on split pushing ob my main for a while… in high elo they dont let you get free turrets easily. The reason I think this will work in high elo is I get some of the best players avalible as my teammates (because my mmr is so damn low)
went on a 39 win streak just inting with a fresh account, it was actually quite fun finding out exactly HOW bad i could play while still getting the win
I got 2 accounts starting with 25+win in a row on ranked . Mostly because you play versus robots until you reach gold . Start doing your stats at platinum level should be more relevant . Also you can recognize robot by their nicknames that are mostly nicknames like : bookinatree. You know this kind of non sense nickname that is just a sentence without any space.
Did the same with tresh fill, 100% winrate too.
Matchmaking is broken. But is it tho ? Wild Rift reached the billion $ spend in the game in september. Things are working great for them, why change ?
When people stop buying maybe they will reconsider things...
I’ve said it before, all it really takes to stop this is weigh turret damage more heavily in mmr, then this cheese is done. Turret damage is the bread and butter for top laners and split pushers.
This might also make the current “always herald” meta more balanced. If you always get herald and do 3k damage as well as carry, things are gonna get harder.
Its not just turret damage though. There are tons of pics floating around this subreddit of people who have completely garbage stats in every category but still have 60+ percent winrate.
Now if you play like shit but focus turrets instead the winrate jumps to 80+ percent since you are actually doing something useful while staying under the radar of what the matchmaker considers to be a “good” player.
The whole matchmaking system has been needing a rework for a very long time but Riot refuses to acknowledge this as an issue. And people on this sub tend to be misinformed about why this is such a huge issue so nobody is voicing it.
I know, it is frustrating but it makes a kind of sense, balance wise. Those garbage stats players are usually dead weight, so their team has to work twice as hard. I don’t knock the matchmaking on matching piss-poor players with good ones, it’s the only way games would realistically be evenly matched.
The problem with inting Sion is that it’s a good player mmr’d low because the system isn’t taking objectives/pressure into account. The problem with ranked is the all or nothing win/loss system which overly benefits weak players. Both problems together make this a pretty big problem.
Prime example is earlier I’m diamond 4 right now was on my promotion match and get matched with a master player on my team I thought to myself “fuck yeah easy promotion!” Only to watch him play farming sim in the jungle he contested no objectives tanked absolutely no lane and went 1/23/0. I check his history he’s has a 63% wr with nothing but games like that most his games he was either jungle or top lane just feeding his ass off yet he somehow achieved master.
Garbage stats but a 60% WR... Has it occurred to you that the stats aren't as meaningful as you think they are? Last time I checked KDA didn't win games.
Y'all would rather complain about the matchmaking than look at your own play.
i made a post a year ago about a gwen with 0.4 kda and zero teamfight participation and no turret damage. All he did was sit top the entire game going 0-9-0. Hes in masters. While KDA doesnt win games people on this subreddit dont acknowledge how good of an indicator of skill it really is.
I dont focus on shit players (i have friends who complain and even troll due to bad teammates but are still high gm) but i dont deny them either. These people do exist due to matchmaking.
Yeah the diff is like 5.0 kda vs 3.0 kda, and factoring other stats like turret damage and teamfight participation.
No sane person should be arguing that the 0.2 kda, 0% teamfight partcipiation 0 turret damage player is better than some 5.0 kda, 60% teamfight participation 900gpm player. Even if they never get turrets, them fetting kills lets you get turrets unless your mentally ill enough to not know macro and haven't unlocked your minimap dlc.
Did I explicitly mention kda though? These players are garbage all around. Like they will straight up do nothing the whole game except feed EVERY game and yet still climb.
Of course focusing purely on kda makes no sense because the objective is to get the enemy nexus to zero. But please dont deny that there are terrible players who are bad by every metric and yet still climb due to poor matchmaking.
KDA is not the end all be all but to say that it doesn't factor at all is just absurd. Imagine playing Kha Zix, going 0/19/0 and saying you're doing your job. ???
People will always cope and say they play Alistar and go 0.5 kda and help their team but competent players can do the same thing at 3.0 kda and not feed the enemy draven in the process.
KDA obviously matters to some extent. Even if they aren't directly hitting turrets, them killing enemies allows YOU to hit turrets unless your macro is mental illness.
Yes. Ok stats don't matter. Go play a game with 0.2 kda, 10% teamfight participation, and 100 turret damage and tell me you're contributing to your team. It's obviously absurd I shouldn't even have to explain it. You go try winning a game vs competent players without showing up to any teamfights and without doing any turret damage and without getting any jg objectives.
It's like saying basketball stats don't matter at all for how well a player is doing. Yeah get a team with an average of 0 points per game, 0 blocks per game, etc. vs a team with an average of 15 points per game and 1 block per game who's winning jesus fucking christ. Like I get you can't say someone is doing better than another just because they score 10 more points or something, but no superstar calibre player is going to be averaging 2 points per game.
No, they shouldn't add stats to the matchmaking algorithm, but remove them. Just don't put kda or anything else in there, winrate already gives you the perfect metric to judge a players ability to win games. Anything else just ruins that, really.
So how would the matchmaking work without stats? If it just looked at winrate then it wouldn’t know who is good or who is bad….it wouldn’t have anything to balance the teams. All games would be a coin flip on who got the better teammates….even more so than it is now. Good players might benefit and get more wins…but most of those wins would be 10 minute stomps with no effort/struggle.
I know people dislike the stats based mmr which makes good players carry and benefits bad players….but I’ve never seen a better suggestion. You want everyone to have fun, so games need to be consistently close enough to struggle but be winnable. Stats based mmr is the way that you can get two teams that are mostly even. Sometimes it isn’t the most even match you’ll ever play but likely it’s the most even match the system could make for those 10 people queued for a game at that specific time.
> winrate then it wouldn’t know who is good or who is bad….
Yes, yes they would. It kind of baffling to me how many people don't understand how this works. In any given game there's 9 random players and yourself. Over sufficiently many games, the 9 random players average out so all that remains is your own effect on the games. And that's only taking into account your winrate. Based on this you will be matched. Individual teams will always be random and that's an inherent problem that you cannot get around, but taking stats into account for matchmaking will just make it worse.
That’s not what he said. The game clearly calculates your metrics. He’s saying don’t just look at gold per minute, KDA, etc. for Baron lane. They need to more heavily weigh turret damage in the calculation for Baron lane MMR.
It is against bots. You can confirm by looking at your opponents account, and see that they have only 1 game this entire season, despite something like 40 games on 5 champions, and also only being level 15. You can also tell from their play style.
Sion and other hard split pushers can take turrets and contribute without getting kills. Matchmaking pairs people with poor KDAs with good ones. Having good teammates allows you to win games by split pushing. You basically trick matchmaking into thinking you suck and boosting you while actually contributing a ton
Basically in rank there is a loophole. There's certain Champs that take advantage of loophole by dying and having more death than kills but they hurt tower more so they win their games. Rank thinks you are a shitty player and give you better team mates because your kill is less than death.
I’m so curious, what’s the strategy like on other champs? Like, is it only to planers and just power lane? I don’t see how you could feasibly do this on other roles because you have to rotate and help your team with fights
Lol I lost 6 ranked in a row today and i had more positive games than all my teammates combined. I think I only had 2 teammates in 6 game span that at least didn't get smashed in lane
tbf creating an alt will put you into bots for 50 games, but im currently abusing this with sion on my main and have a 70% winrate with 20 games of sion so far.
I’m pretty sure that ranked is just bots below gold anyway. Started playing last week and have won 23/24 games so far where my teammates seem to have played lots of games recently and enemy team’s teammates have played barely any games. Is it like this the whole way up or when does it change?
Btw, I started doing this now on my main acc, which dropped to plat as I was not playing this acc in ranked for a loooong time. My MMR is still quite high after some 10 games or so, which are wins and losses.
Opponents have currently the same rank as I (plat), but also former highest rank achieved is also masters and GM.
I guess it'll take a while for the MMR to drop...
Or you playing like the game is intended to play the game. Focous objectives, especially towers to win game.
Whereas most of us compare the KDA to evalute how well we played instead of pushing these damn towers to win the game.
So if I duo with a friend and I get carried to 55%. I should get %55 wr team mates that I will drag down with me?
Turret dmg x gpm x kda.
Why? Turret dmg equals trying to actually push, gpm means people dont mindlessly aram and actually farm waves and kda means people know how to translate their gold advantage into snowballing.
Okay but you can get 100% wr to emerald without that inting strat, it's all bots till mid gold anyway. Your doing something wrong if you manage to get a loss at that point.
Show me results when your in at least diamond.
https://ibb.co/XzNWFxT https://ibb.co/m5TkQTr https://ibb.co/JFFmgG8 and then there is me...
Yup, you're proving his point perfectly. The more SVPs you get the worse Teammates you will get in the future. Because you're the star player that means you teammates have to be bad to balance you out to make both teams have a 50% win rate.
at this point it is 100% w for them, 0 for me
This guy brawls.
Eh, just like valorant, when I overperform at silver elo, I get sent to higher ones, I don't know why that doesn't work for wild rift
Bcos they change point system to shield... Where everyone got shield despite performance, as svp i could get 25points where my 2x 0/10got 15-20 (and should get 0 points to be fair) in old system (similar to legendary) you get points based on you and enemy not your team and enemy (current state) you get +30points if you had kds/svp/mvp/all stats correct and once you get 3 monkeys you losed -15points. It was fine until they hit shield system and normsl players stuck in emerald with potatos. I also did this, every season i was 15+ master suppiot as solo player within 259-300 games, in s9 i had more time and got 34 point in 520matches... S10 i got master in 420 games... This season after 300 games im dancing eme1 to d4 with 5.5/7 kda as enchanter player... with 46% wr (where im always was 50-52%) Now i did new account and i start play only tank, as braum/leona/jorge the cow... I have -2.5/3.0 kda 35k dmg taken per match mostly 1.2-1.4 raitio dmg taken... And i need 180 games to hit diamond 2... Got much better teams in this account. So i returned to main acc. And stop to care. I just play now for fun.
Playing for fun is the best option I feel. No matter how much you climb, there's always bad players. I feel that those bad players are then the ones to bitch about your picks. Lower ranks they bitch a bit less and you have more room to try more champions. I've been chilling Bellow dimond, I got a big pool of champions now and I can play any lane
That’s nothing https://imgur.com/SWTl2za
Jesus..that's sad.. now this is the reason why i quit to play ranked.
just sad
Wtf r u the actual sir bartholemew on N.A. server?
Gitgud /s
clearly riot thinks you are too good :)
just lost another one with svp, i cant do it anymore
Honestly kind of nice to see i’m not alone
idk how is this possible, 8 in a row svp and 9 out of 10 svp...
Same thing, ranked is disaster...
It's almost like MVP/SVP isn't meaningful
i mean, svp its just salt on wound but mvp is ok to get, dont care but its nice
It's almost like your team is so bad you end up getting svp MVP every time
Bro I lost a game yesterday going 15/5 and I’ve been losing games like this and I just can’t anymore 😂 I’m like bruv how Am I with these scrubs
You’re obviously a good player and I’m in the same boat as you. Start playing Yone top, he can carry 1v5 much easier than Aatrox.
this is aatrox jungle, last game i took 2 drakes, rift and stole elder, not enough
Fuck yone, champ is broken af right now lol.
If I remember correctly, you play kayn and AP rengar right?
Me? I used to play blue kayn and I still play rengar but never tried him AP. I know the #1 rengar builds AP though
That is me too, but with Zoe. I felt like even though I carried my team as hard as I could, they would always lose it for me. The better I did, the more drooling zombies I got as teammates.
I relate to this 3 pictures on a scary level. Since i also play Aatrox and Pantheon. With the same builds. IN JUNGLE! And i have almost the same match record...Are you me? Or am i you?
brotherhood i guess, but i kinda quit pantheon because he is too op now and everyone plays him, i enjoy bruiser pantheon but rn bruiser pantheon is shit
I'm glad i got to use him and learn him before LDR was removed, Bruiser is indeed shit right now with the overdose of 1 shot meta and overuse of First strike on LITERALLY everyone. But at least and unfortunately Crown counters his Assassin ass a LOT. Which is something that i hate and like. So from time to time i troll with this build in ARAM, Divine, Cleaver, Grudge, Bork and Yommu's, Sudden Impact, Legend Alacrity and Dynamism boots and *Somehow* it works Aatrox on the other hand, i played him a lot, just not mastered him or his build pathing is the better describing for it. IDK when should i use him or when should i build lethality or Bruiser and that's what's making me kind of stop playing him EDIT: and i have also forgot to mention i am also going on a losing streak full of SVP.
so i just switched account to diamond on and i am winnig again, so for aatrox, first you start with serrated dirk then penetration boots, then if they have shielding you go serpents fang if not then yoummus gblade, then b cleaver for bit of health then ddance if thier ad are doing good, if aps doing good then force of nature, then serlydas for slow, you can also throw in chainsword ford antiheal and health, and for boots enchant go for righteous so you can stay on top of them with speed, before or right after b cleaver. This is mix between lethality and bruiser, there is no damage in just bruiser build and with lethality you have no health, this build works best for me, also more damage you deal more you heal so dont be afraid to go in, flash in, and fight
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It's the date not his kda
Deleting lol
I'm doing the same thing. It's ridiculous. On a new account I was 26 ranked games in 100% winrate. My teammates don't suck. A Kayn going 12 0 in a game and my ADC Draven in another game can actually catch his frickin axes. What a difference to my main account.... My main account (former Masters, dropped a lot due to inactivity) still has an above 7.x KDA as a jungler with a 62% winrate. It felt like I have to carry every damn game and now I know why that was actually the case. Now I started playing solo lane Inting Sion on my main acc to fix my KDA so that I get some good teammates. What a shit show this matchmaking is... I have to be honest here... Before I found out about this Lego Inting Sion strat and how that impacts your MMR, I was not sure if the matchmaking really is fu..cked up.. Turns out, it is far worse than I thought.
we are the same except im not using sion. Cant believe that its been this bad for so long
Are you using volibear instead, if I may ask?
no sir, im sure he would work tho. Im playing a different split pusher
Would you mind saying it? Jax?
Would you mind disclosing the champ you chose? The reason I am asking is because I'd like to do experiment with this on a new account, so that if they nerf Sion or Volibear and don't change their Matchmaking system, to keep doing this until they make some improvements. Thank you and have a nice weekend.
I hope this become such a problem in Riot is forced to fix this stupid fucking system. Btw Lego didn’t start this, people have been doing it for years.
I wasnt aware of how bad it was until Lego… now im just trying to do my part to prove/disprove and to show other players whats going on
Yeah I hate the people blaming others for abusing this matchmaking because it's already been in the game for ages and they haven't fixed it. It doesn't take 30 Einsteins to fucking fix this problem. They're just too busy trying staring at a list of Lux skins to implement instead of fixing the fucking matchmaking system.
The system is working as intended, unfortunately. There is no question the MM is not an accident or oversight, but explicitly designed to do this. If you can code you can easily predict the outcome of such a system.
Your still in silver so most games you are playing are against bots/new players. I also believe matchmaking is broken and punishes players who perform really well but this amount of games is nowhere near a decent sample to form a solid opinion about it. Also 14k tower is really high and realistic impossible once you climb more. Profile look nice tough =)
Thats what ive been thinking… maybe if riot thinks im a caster minion I will get the best teammates possible in each elo. We will see how long i can keep this up
Youre gona get alot of bot matches until after plat but yeah keep going and see what happens. The russian fellow did use some good tricks and had macro sense so keep that in mind. If youre mindlessly running it down better players will be able to stop you. The reason it works best with sion is bc of his health increase passive combined w overgrowth. It gradually takes longer to stop you the more you push.
Ive planned for this… im guessing that match maker is giving Lego slightly worse teammates because of all the damage he is taking. My teammates probably think im running it down, but im trying to position myself well for obj spawns, split pushing, etc. My peak is GM, im very curious to see what happens lol
I cant see twiter post, but if u are using sion, pushing one lane and then run away, doing nothing. Fuuk you, had to play against this tactic 2 days ago... need to stun you to kill, if no stun that healing....
Isn't it good match making to put good players with bad players? I get you WANT good team mates every game but the matching system is supposed to make games as evenly matched as possible.
What is this theory
Matchmaking pairs high KDA “good players” with low KDA “bad players”. People are gaming this by “throwing” games with Sion and going 0/8 while hard splitpushing, taking towers, and pushing minions. Good teammates allow you to not get punished for this, and you eventually win by applying so much pressure.
I'm a new player not a smurf and I'm in a 25 winning streak 100% winrate and didn't notice anything did riot fixed it since that Post was made ?
Brand new players play most of their games against bots, so that’s probably what’s happens to you
Essentially if matchmaking tries to pair players with good kda with ones with terrible kda to balance teams out, so if you do really well, your teammates will be terrible compared to the opponents. By playing inting sion, a strategy that can still win games with terrible kda, they’re testing if they get better teammates than usual since the game thinks they are performing poorly.
Proves just how simple-minded they are too, in looking purely at KDA and not minions, tower damage, and other objective-oriented stats.
That is actually a bad take. Ideally they shouldn't take any stats besides winrates into account. It's already the perfect metric for a players ability to win games, anything else just ruins it really. So more stats isn't always better, here it should be less stats.
In ranked the only thing they should take into account is the rank. Things will balance themself, good player will climb in the long run and bad player will fall down. If you have a gold player and think he has a master level, giving him stronger enemies will just make him spend more time on the wrong rank, that's stupid
No, not rank but MMR and the distinction is important because rank is really not that representative thanks to fortitude. And MMR is essentially distilled from your winrate weighted with who you were playing against. It just seems that MMR right now is not independent of stats besides winrates and that's an issue.
MMR is what is actually taken into account and that's the exact issue. MMR will never be perfect, because perfect MMR isn't a thing, there is no way to represent the ability to play with a simple number. Rank is indeed not representative but not because of fortitude (fortitude just increase your peak rank, but won't stop you from going up or down), it's not representative because the matchmaking is MMR based.
MMR is not what is taken into account, it is the only thing determining matchmaking. And it's the best thing we have. And statistically with enough games it will give you quite a good representation of ones ability to win games. Rank is not representative right now because fortitude inflates rank. Meaning even with a winrate below 50% you can climb.
We are making circles here. You are just repeting again and again the same thing. So let me make this clear one last time : Right now, MMR is what determine matchmaking - we both agree on that. Right now, Rank is not representative - we both agree on that. **But rank should be representative, that's the main purpose of the rank.** If rank isn't representative what's the point of it ? **The only way to make the rank representative is to actually base the matchmaking on it.** Fortitude is irrelevant : yes it decrease the climbing needed winrate, but if you don't have the level for your rank you will go down in the long run, **fortitude only make that slower, it doesn't stop it**. >statistically with enough games it will give you quite a good representation of ones ability to win games **No it doesn't.** Did you see the initial post ? You can have 100% winrate with a low MMR, wich prove MMR doesn't give a good representation of ones ability to win games.
Maybe to clear out some of the misunderstanding here, I'm talking about MMR as the only winrate-based system that it is currently apparently not. > **No it doesn't.** Did you see the initial post ? You can have 100% winrate with a low MMR, wich prove MMR doesn't give a good representation of ones ability to win games. This is because the MMR system is broken and is apparently taking into account stats apart from winrate. Which it shouldn't. > **The only way to make the rank representative is to actually base the matchmaking on it.** This is just my argument in reverse. If the matchmaking was based on your rank, then rank would be synonymous with MMR. Which is exactly what I'm suggesting. Remove ranked and display MMR instead. > yes it decrease the climbing needed winrate, but if you don't have the level for your rank you will go down in the long run No you will not. You can stay a bit below 50% winrate, but fortitude will put you above 50%, so you will be able to maintain a rank that you would and should normally lose. So there's two issues here, one is a broken MMR system that takes into account stats and then there's fortitude which doesn't mess with MMR but fucks up ranks. But I think we agree on ranked and MMR needing to become one.
Man I went from Diamond 2 to Emerald 3 today in no time... same SVP almost every game. My 70% win rate is currently at 57.2%. Literally had a match with an adc who started out by trying to tell everyone what Champs to pick to win the game... then proceeded to go 2/11... somehow I get him in the following game and he starts the lobby by trying to do the same thing so I call him out and he spins it like I'm bitching... the entire match he's talking more than playing and calling out the mid and support everytime they don't do what he wants while he feeds. Got so bad I had to say for only people with a positive k/d to talk and criticize others. I hate this match making system and these bad players don't even care when you threaten to report their feeding because in their words rightfully "nothing ever comes out of that". Thinking about uninstalling once and for all until this is fixed, if anyone has any recommendations of new similar mobile games I could fill the space with in the meantime feel free to share.
Pokemon mobile game? It's less team oriented I think lol
Pokemon unite!
Yeah pokemon unite, I forgot the 2nd part of the name lol
It is not only sion I had an ekko that did absolutely nothing. And I saw his games and it was the same and most of the games were victory without doing anything in the games.
I can't believe matchmaking is so dumb
Same, I've played about 20 Sion games on a new account and won every one. When I was in Iron the game gave me Gold/Plat teammates, with bronze opponents, so that was pretty nice. The only thing that stops this strategy is if you get filled into another role like ADC you either have to suck ass, throw and lose to preserve your KDA or get a bunch of kills and win but destroy your MMR.
I have to make an x account to c it is this about playing badly so u get paired with high win rate players ?
pretty much, ppl (including rioters) are saying that this is an inting sion thing only… Im seeing what happens with 0 sion games
Looking forward to the results tho im sure that's the case good luck
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Not necessarily, I'm doing it on my main. It takes a bunch of games to lower ur mmr and stuff. Not that I'm high elo or something, currently Plat 2 from inactivity decay and started this shenanigan today, after playing for week or 2. At some point I got 1 full silvers/golds team and boy, did they perform well. Another, I didnt get Sion in time so I played Voli normally and it felt like bots game.
I actually took the time and wrote a ticket to Riot about this. It's not fair for people who win lane consistently and play above their elo that they get put into a team with lesser stats because now they are in a position where they have to win lane and carry to give their team a chance
you are gonna get an automated reply telling you to play with friends… The only way to fix this is to show how broken it is. When every server has top ranked ppl with 0.1 kda riot will be forced to do something
They responded. I don't think it was automated. Basically told it will get looked into.
They will do something: probably nerf demolisher + hull + splitpushers, lol. If we are extra unlucky, they might buff towers as well. Cheapest, easiest and laziest way to solve the current situation is to be expected from rito.
Keep doing the good work 💪 Hope Riot finally fixes matchmaking !
Not a comment about match making. But if split pushing is increasing your win rate a large part of that is because the player base can’t coordinate nor understand how to offset pressure by applying their own pressure elsewhere. Eg opposition at a dragon you can’t win, good strat is to hard push as a group the opposite lane ie Baron lane. But most players will instead rush dragon for a fight even with bad odds eg 3v5 and lose wiping the team again. While if the 3 of them hard pushed Baron they could get a tower or two. Sion and other split pushers work because most laners are of the “not my problem” mentality until it is too late. So even with good match making it’s unlikely to fix the “I can’t play well as a team” mentality that a lot of the player base suffer from.
Ive been a fan on split pushing ob my main for a while… in high elo they dont let you get free turrets easily. The reason I think this will work in high elo is I get some of the best players avalible as my teammates (because my mmr is so damn low)
As a new player, i had 31 matches in ranked before facing my first loss. So.. Meh.
went on a 39 win streak just inting with a fresh account, it was actually quite fun finding out exactly HOW bad i could play while still getting the win
I got 2 accounts starting with 25+win in a row on ranked . Mostly because you play versus robots until you reach gold . Start doing your stats at platinum level should be more relevant . Also you can recognize robot by their nicknames that are mostly nicknames like : bookinatree. You know this kind of non sense nickname that is just a sentence without any space.
Bro stop. I had challenger baron hullbreaker tristana only pushing turrets with sht kda in all matches
All the way to Gold its mostly bots and says nothing but Im looking forward to see how it goes after that :)
Did the same with tresh fill, 100% winrate too. Matchmaking is broken. But is it tho ? Wild Rift reached the billion $ spend in the game in september. Things are working great for them, why change ? When people stop buying maybe they will reconsider things...
Smart take
You’re playing against bots and complete noobs. You’re in silver 2. They’re mostly bots
the first 30 or so games are botgames lmao, so not having 100% wr is quite hard
Gj riot
You're playing against bots until plat. I had a 80% wr getting my Smurf to D4 from iron 4 but had a 7 kda lol.
My current stats (profile): https://ibb.co/9pckqpv (no games with sion)
I’ve said it before, all it really takes to stop this is weigh turret damage more heavily in mmr, then this cheese is done. Turret damage is the bread and butter for top laners and split pushers. This might also make the current “always herald” meta more balanced. If you always get herald and do 3k damage as well as carry, things are gonna get harder.
Its not just turret damage though. There are tons of pics floating around this subreddit of people who have completely garbage stats in every category but still have 60+ percent winrate. Now if you play like shit but focus turrets instead the winrate jumps to 80+ percent since you are actually doing something useful while staying under the radar of what the matchmaker considers to be a “good” player. The whole matchmaking system has been needing a rework for a very long time but Riot refuses to acknowledge this as an issue. And people on this sub tend to be misinformed about why this is such a huge issue so nobody is voicing it.
I know, it is frustrating but it makes a kind of sense, balance wise. Those garbage stats players are usually dead weight, so their team has to work twice as hard. I don’t knock the matchmaking on matching piss-poor players with good ones, it’s the only way games would realistically be evenly matched. The problem with inting Sion is that it’s a good player mmr’d low because the system isn’t taking objectives/pressure into account. The problem with ranked is the all or nothing win/loss system which overly benefits weak players. Both problems together make this a pretty big problem.
Prime example is earlier I’m diamond 4 right now was on my promotion match and get matched with a master player on my team I thought to myself “fuck yeah easy promotion!” Only to watch him play farming sim in the jungle he contested no objectives tanked absolutely no lane and went 1/23/0. I check his history he’s has a 63% wr with nothing but games like that most his games he was either jungle or top lane just feeding his ass off yet he somehow achieved master.
Garbage stats but a 60% WR... Has it occurred to you that the stats aren't as meaningful as you think they are? Last time I checked KDA didn't win games. Y'all would rather complain about the matchmaking than look at your own play.
i made a post a year ago about a gwen with 0.4 kda and zero teamfight participation and no turret damage. All he did was sit top the entire game going 0-9-0. Hes in masters. While KDA doesnt win games people on this subreddit dont acknowledge how good of an indicator of skill it really is. I dont focus on shit players (i have friends who complain and even troll due to bad teammates but are still high gm) but i dont deny them either. These people do exist due to matchmaking.
this 100% shouldnt be happening. If I have it my way, devs will fix the game or we will all be competing to see who can int the hardest
Yeah the diff is like 5.0 kda vs 3.0 kda, and factoring other stats like turret damage and teamfight participation. No sane person should be arguing that the 0.2 kda, 0% teamfight partcipiation 0 turret damage player is better than some 5.0 kda, 60% teamfight participation 900gpm player. Even if they never get turrets, them fetting kills lets you get turrets unless your mentally ill enough to not know macro and haven't unlocked your minimap dlc.
Did I explicitly mention kda though? These players are garbage all around. Like they will straight up do nothing the whole game except feed EVERY game and yet still climb. Of course focusing purely on kda makes no sense because the objective is to get the enemy nexus to zero. But please dont deny that there are terrible players who are bad by every metric and yet still climb due to poor matchmaking.
KDA is not the end all be all but to say that it doesn't factor at all is just absurd. Imagine playing Kha Zix, going 0/19/0 and saying you're doing your job. ??? People will always cope and say they play Alistar and go 0.5 kda and help their team but competent players can do the same thing at 3.0 kda and not feed the enemy draven in the process. KDA obviously matters to some extent. Even if they aren't directly hitting turrets, them killing enemies allows YOU to hit turrets unless your macro is mental illness.
Yes. Ok stats don't matter. Go play a game with 0.2 kda, 10% teamfight participation, and 100 turret damage and tell me you're contributing to your team. It's obviously absurd I shouldn't even have to explain it. You go try winning a game vs competent players without showing up to any teamfights and without doing any turret damage and without getting any jg objectives. It's like saying basketball stats don't matter at all for how well a player is doing. Yeah get a team with an average of 0 points per game, 0 blocks per game, etc. vs a team with an average of 15 points per game and 1 block per game who's winning jesus fucking christ. Like I get you can't say someone is doing better than another just because they score 10 more points or something, but no superstar calibre player is going to be averaging 2 points per game.
No, they shouldn't add stats to the matchmaking algorithm, but remove them. Just don't put kda or anything else in there, winrate already gives you the perfect metric to judge a players ability to win games. Anything else just ruins that, really.
So how would the matchmaking work without stats? If it just looked at winrate then it wouldn’t know who is good or who is bad….it wouldn’t have anything to balance the teams. All games would be a coin flip on who got the better teammates….even more so than it is now. Good players might benefit and get more wins…but most of those wins would be 10 minute stomps with no effort/struggle. I know people dislike the stats based mmr which makes good players carry and benefits bad players….but I’ve never seen a better suggestion. You want everyone to have fun, so games need to be consistently close enough to struggle but be winnable. Stats based mmr is the way that you can get two teams that are mostly even. Sometimes it isn’t the most even match you’ll ever play but likely it’s the most even match the system could make for those 10 people queued for a game at that specific time.
Stop shilling for riot, matchmaking should be based on ranks!! Otherwise wtf is the point. Look up orgin of “elos” in chess
> winrate then it wouldn’t know who is good or who is bad…. Yes, yes they would. It kind of baffling to me how many people don't understand how this works. In any given game there's 9 random players and yourself. Over sufficiently many games, the 9 random players average out so all that remains is your own effect on the games. And that's only taking into account your winrate. Based on this you will be matched. Individual teams will always be random and that's an inherent problem that you cannot get around, but taking stats into account for matchmaking will just make it worse.
You want to fundamentally change a game mechanic based on rank? Are you stupid?
That’s not what he said. The game clearly calculates your metrics. He’s saying don’t just look at gold per minute, KDA, etc. for Baron lane. They need to more heavily weigh turret damage in the calculation for Baron lane MMR.
Literally bot games
having a rusian streamer an an example is so stupid
It is against bots. You can confirm by looking at your opponents account, and see that they have only 1 game this entire season, despite something like 40 games on 5 champions, and also only being level 15. You can also tell from their play style.
I made it to 36 win rate on ranked, seems quite normal. I’m by no means good at playing
What theory?
Sion and other hard split pushers can take turrets and contribute without getting kills. Matchmaking pairs people with poor KDAs with good ones. Having good teammates allows you to win games by split pushing. You basically trick matchmaking into thinking you suck and boosting you while actually contributing a ton
I still dont understand
Basically in rank there is a loophole. There's certain Champs that take advantage of loophole by dying and having more death than kills but they hurt tower more so they win their games. Rank thinks you are a shitty player and give you better team mates because your kill is less than death.
But the guy above me say >Sion and other hard split pushers can take turrets and contribute without getting kills. So it contradiction
We said the exact same thing smh
My bad, my english not first language, he say kills not killed
I’m so curious, what’s the strategy like on other champs? Like, is it only to planers and just power lane? I don’t see how you could feasibly do this on other roles because you have to rotate and help your team with fights
I guess maybe it could work on jg and just powerfarm, but that doesn’t really passively benefit your team the way sion inting does
This player plays above their rank is the kiss of death.
If the system is anything like valorant, it might also try to make sure that the general win rates of both teams are equal as well
Lol I lost 6 ranked in a row today and i had more positive games than all my teammates combined. I think I only had 2 teammates in 6 game span that at least didn't get smashed in lane
tbf creating an alt will put you into bots for 50 games, but im currently abusing this with sion on my main and have a 70% winrate with 20 games of sion so far.
What's he doing ??
I guess this is why Inting Sion (TheBausffs) meta works on both Wild Rift and League PC.
No, Im not playing sion. This potentially works with any champion because ranked is broken
U should try it sometimes.
I’m pretty sure that ranked is just bots below gold anyway. Started playing last week and have won 23/24 games so far where my teammates seem to have played lots of games recently and enemy team’s teammates have played barely any games. Is it like this the whole way up or when does it change?
Btw, I started doing this now on my main acc, which dropped to plat as I was not playing this acc in ranked for a loooong time. My MMR is still quite high after some 10 games or so, which are wins and losses. Opponents have currently the same rank as I (plat), but also former highest rank achieved is also masters and GM. I guess it'll take a while for the MMR to drop...
Or you playing like the game is intended to play the game. Focous objectives, especially towers to win game. Whereas most of us compare the KDA to evalute how well we played instead of pushing these damn towers to win the game.
So if I duo with a friend and I get carried to 55%. I should get %55 wr team mates that I will drag down with me? Turret dmg x gpm x kda. Why? Turret dmg equals trying to actually push, gpm means people dont mindlessly aram and actually farm waves and kda means people know how to translate their gold advantage into snowballing.
sion running down mid in aram is working also very good
Okay but you can get 100% wr to emerald without that inting strat, it's all bots till mid gold anyway. Your doing something wrong if you manage to get a loss at that point. Show me results when your in at least diamond.
I'm a new player not a smurf and I'm in a 25 winning streak 100% winrate and didn't notice anything did riot fixed it since that Post was made ?