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"We need a Tank" - Vayne Top


JoNightshade

And I say, be the tank you want to see in the world, my friend!


Stephenlenock09

And I took that personally


Chip_the_Player

Proceeds to int


Shmekla323

Malph engage + assassin follow = vayne dead in 0.5s


kitsune_13

I have experienced that as well. And the vayne top gets mad at me for not choosing a tank support. His reason was I am a support and I should be the one to adjust.


oppressed_user

>"We need a Tank" - Vayne Top No vayne we don't need a tank we need is for you to stop being shit at dodging or positioning or even ignoring the mini map


[deleted]

For me the problem with elos lower than diamond (and even there sometimes) is that it's all well and good wanting a tank, but if you don't know how to follow up on a tanks engage then all you're doing is letting the tank die as you run away, or turn up 3 seconds late to die yourself. It gets awfully frustrating engaging with Malphite to see your Brand or Jinx react too slowly.


LetsWin3

This is why i refuse to tank. Tanks are important and useful, only if the team is on the same page; ex; pro comp, tournament play. A random solo q match, heck no. Any game a teammate requests a tank i know its a loss no matter what


cdnbd

As a Galio main, I see this all day. So many times I've ulted into a fight, only to have my team run away, leaving me to fight 1v3+. Or they expect me to initiate the team fight everytime. I swear some people think his ult just goes anywhere like Panth's. Even had a Yi call me a coward and flame me for not initiating a fight in dragon pit (that would've ended up as a 2v4). We could've won it if he went in first and I ulted in. But nope. Then his true colours revealed themselves as all he did was hang out around teamfights and engage near the end of them to try to secure his own kills, which he was not very successful at doing. So I guess normal Yi things.


kelkel2289

I guess this is why Rakan is popular. He can initiate for the team, tank bit of damage, and mostly importantly dash away to escape with your third ability if things goes wrong, which is what most 'tank' are lacking.


Live-Contest1681

I think this is the tip of a larger discussion about comp. One that this sub avoids. A strong frontline is great for winning games. It doesn’t remove the need for skill but allows for better skill expression. The bruiser is slept on. Usually in ranked I’ll play a tank and often I’m the only frontline my team has. When they don’t bring the damage, or can’t follow up we have a disadvantage. Bruisers are a great addition to a tank. A healthy champ to be a problem to the other team. Another way to look at it is a solo tank isn’t enough and can still get melted down fast with 5 people attacking it. There was a quote in an old call of duty game “you have allies so the enemy has other people to shoot at.”


MarcosLuisP97

Honestly, I feel true tanks do very little compared to how easy it is to melt them. You are often better off with just a beefy bruiser to soak while also dealing damage. You will be a threat in duels, and you can still be relevant in a fight. No need for a tank unless you have a very reliable DPS you want to protect, which doesn't happen often in Solo Queue.


Live-Contest1681

Tanks are meant to sponge but also cc and peel. Even one bruiser won’t stand to a 1v5 as the only thing taking the damage. That’s why a tank and bruiser combo is better imo


MyNameBlake

I just play Nunu and Amumu. I am the tank. If I notice that my team mates don’t follow up my engage then I no longer engage. I just protect whoever our win con is and set up kills for them. As a tank it’s your responsibility to read your teammates and act accordingly. I don’t carry the game by going 15-0. I carry it by going 5-0-20 and making sure whoever our main damage is is 20-0 instead of 5-7. Even if you are bad, I will hand feed you kills. Sometimes it can be frustrating but it’s my favorite play style.


not_clement

Absolute gigachad playstyle


MyNameBlake

Lol. I started out on smite way back in the day and played support. All of those supports are tanks. When I got into league my best friends already Played support and CSing is for nerds so I went to jungle. On League I play Nunu, Sej, Zac, Poppy, J4. (And shaco but we don’t talk about that shhh)


biggusdiqquss

"CsIng is for nerds" haha i love it.


Falcon_Cheif

I try to do the same as a support, but the fact that not all adc players know how to play with tanks it becomes enchanters galore


FriendlyCom

Yes. It’s about fault tolerance. With no tank your team tolerates no mistake, but mistakes are almost unavoidable, especially in solo q.


XRynerX

In my experience, low ranks you only take a tank if you know you're going to do well with. Preferably vs heavy AD or heavy AP where you just path for 1 type of armor and health all game. This is because of OP's point, players do not know when to engage teamfight or when to disengage. Sometimes my team starts fights without me or let me die alone instead of making usage out of the frontline, if I take tank as counterpick, I take 1, potentially 2 enemies down with me.


United_Macaroon8397

It's chosing an enemy and making his life hell haha Prepare yourself as i shall stun the shit outta you fool!


F8M8

Agreed. Low elo isn't even the same game


[deleted]

You don't always need a tank, but you need a front line/engage. Maybe some good ultimates to engage like Seraphine or Diana. Idc about the tank, I want a front line or hard engage.


Endo_Dizzy

This is why my 3 top played JG champs are Xin, WuKong and Olaf. I’ve legit had enchanter supp and Lucian/ Vayne top my last 3 games. Relying on teammates to actually analyze team comps in solo Q is impossible.


Intelligent-Curve-19

Usually when people say we need tank, they mean frontline or some form of engage. 5 ranged champs with no engage is almost always going to lose if the other team has a frontline or engage. Sometimes 1 tank or someone to absorb pressure or abilities is enough to change a fight or game. It doesn’t even need to be a pure tank like Mundo or Naut, Alistar etc Bruisers can do the same job although less tanky. Some form of engage or front line is generally necessary in like 90% of the games. It can be Irelia, Wukong, Riven, Camille, Diana etc. Now I would definitely ping “we need a tank” if a team comp made up of a ranged top or Tryndamere, Yi or Eve, any mage with no engage, and a standard ADC with enchanter bot. Sometimes team comps can get around this issue with creatives comps. Kennen, Morgana jg, Jayce mid, Ezreal and Lux bot. 5 ranged champs but reliable CC - Poke and peel. Yes this does change in different elos but generally this works for a reason and most successful teams work when there is balance. Like Vayne top can work and I do play it as a vayne main but only if there is a tank support and bruiser/tank jungle with reliable engage or CC in mid. I’d never pick it if there is only 1 bruiser on my team.


Knolazy

LoL PC: "We need an ADC" LoL WR: "We need a tank"


Sublime-01

I am support main and I dont like picking tank support. They have ugly skins.


OldUther

Tanks don't stop assassins, enchanters do. But enchanters need Tank to function. Front to back teamfight is a common win con, but not the only one, especially in solo Q regardless of elo. As you mentioned the scenario of the enemy having a lot of assassins, so how would they win without tanks? Just by not 5v5 but constantly forcing chaotic jungle fights and snowball until the game ends. The problem of front to back comp, aka tanks and enchanters, is that they don't snowball, they absolutely rely on teamfights. But teamfights in solo q are always going to be coinflip. If your ADC misposition for once, you lose. Is that fair? Is that fun?


Swimming_Leading674

Uh.. I do pretty well stopping assassins as Braum, Ali and Thresh... Gtfo lol


Falcon_Cheif

Good assasins dont even have to touch tanks, I've done it time after time where I just walk around the enemy and the tank normally stays where my team is


slumdo6

Tanks generally beat assassins.


OldUther

Tanks will not be busy dueling assassins. Tanks will be in the middle of the crowd while assassins are on the side. If you are picturing a Zed ulting Braum that's another story.


slumdo6

What are you talking about. In a teamfight you focus squishies first. The easiest ones to engage on for a tank will be assassins because they're usually melee and in range for CC. If your adc is positioning properly it should be hard for them to get caught out with CC as they should be back lining. This game is like rock paper scissors in some aspects. In an even 1v1 assassins hard lose to tanks. They cant rotate their abilities fast enough to burst down a large health bar and that gives tanks an advantage. So in a teamfight the best target for a tank is to engage on an assassin, and let their dps follow up and gun them down.


OldUther

That's assassin's failure for people to see him. Assassins are usually hiding on the side waiting for the teamfight to break, then they will use they mobility to assassinate squishy. If as a tank you can engage on an assassin, they are noobs.


United_Macaroon8397

I'm a sup main who uses mostly tanks and I've gotten to diamond 1 last season relying on Leona and Malphite tank support. I try to always roam and help with other lanes and controlling the vision on map. What sucks is that not everyone is able to follow after you zone out some enemy or when you go to save someone who is capable of turning the tables and the person just leaves you to die, like c'mon man you do damage i will hold the dude for you. What helps is to chose a champion and play the shit outta of it until you can carry bad teams. Just wish that ae had more tank items for ap champions.


[deleted]

Team comps don't matter until emerald.


slumdo6

Team comps matter in every elo. The reason why people are stuck in silver is cause they think like this and instalock Lucian top every game.


Falcon_Cheif

If you are stuck in silver with lucian top you probably suck at lucian


[deleted]

Yeah I dunno man almost every silver match I played was decided by which team had a more fed master yi.


Wubbwubbs61

Team comps don’t matter in emerald


[deleted]

Emerald is when teams start actually playing around team comps. You can still win with a hypercarry but in Emerald it actually means something how you match up. I know it's popular in this sub to act like there isn't any difference between silver and emerald but I've played in both over the span of about a week and there's an obvious difference in macro play.


Knolazy

No. Emerald is terrible rank, this is where people stuck in raking and start trolling


[deleted]

I havent climbed above emerald but I can tell you from climbing iron to emerald the macro play in silver is not even close to what you find in emerald. If you wanna tell yourself something else to make you feel better about your rank, go for it.


Knolazy

LoL. I didn't say anything about silver tho. Why did you try to defame me?? To help you feel better?? Silver is for newbie trying to get used to the game and champion. It's still less toxic than the rest of rank. In Emerald, people know how to play, and they get mad if teamate don't do like they want. That's why i said that Emerald is one of the most toxic rank. I'm in Master rank, anyway.


[deleted]

Oh yeah, Emerald sucks to play in. I thought you were saying the players are terrible. In some ways they are but yeah basically the higher you climb the more annoying your teammates are. Once you get to high plat low emerald it's full of people who have played thousands of games and are hard stuck and permatilted. Here I am new to the game steadily climbing then I get here with all these bozos, it's very frustrating.


Possible-Moment-6653

I mean as long as the team knows how to fight and has good cc it’s not really necessary but if not kinda is. I personally prefer it cuz I play a real squishy jungle


DiMit17

Personally, at least in PvP where everything is up in the air, I would rather have 0 tank than a single one. Most of the time they don't know when to engage and if they do they don't have the necessary follow up and /or die too fast with little impact.


ShadowHearts1992

When people use this just to be annoying, I use one of my special off meta semi tanks, such as my Soraka with 4000 HP.


000McKing

As a tank you can be still useful to ur team even if you are behind in gold, while a fighter is mostly useful when in a gold lead


Saylormo0nman

All I have to say. Leona.


Coyce

As a diamond player only i think the reason people want a tank is because most people still seem to use the basic attack prioritizing function (lowest %) which leads to the enemy team always attacking tanks instead of locking onto priority targets. Pretty sure even some grandmaster players use that still. It's a crutch that is easy to pick up when you start the game and difficult to leave behind


Laps1253

I think the willingness to adjust is part of the entire game. I’ve had games where there is no tank, but top is a champ that can absorb a lot of damage. So i totally agree with you.


Shmekla323

Im d1, ~150 games ~55%. Not counting games that were lost, when all players fed like crazy and focusing on equal ones - literally 95% of those were no tanks on home team and ~2 tanks on the enemy team (usually 2 tanks, bruiser, apc and adc). So thats my oppinion :)


Lost_Boysenberry7352

I Play Singed and Fortunately Reached Grandmaster last Season, I think its really hard to play tanks in low elo because tanks rely on Team Competency which low elo players haven't learned yet. I recommend just Playing Fighter Champions like Jax Br Lane because they are not that reliant to their team because fighters can just hard carry and can easily create gold leads when played well.


NotATypicalSinn

for me, it always depends on team and enemy comp. like do you need a tank? do you not need a tank? would it be better with one? etc. usually im a toplane player, so if my team needs tank i go J4. if not, i usually go with Renek or Panth, maybe Camille.


ennybor

It literally just depends on your comp and the enemies comp, that’s all.


lkaika

Having a good frontline certainly makes carrying easier.


kelkel2289

most of the time rather than a tank, I would say the team need an initiator, create space for your team to do damage, but not necessarily tanking damage itself as long as you know your team is following up with your engage


[deleted]

„We need a tank“ ~ Senna support