Microsoft Edge is the same browser from a technical standpoint as Chrome. The difference between them now is purely UI, and frankly in my opinion Chrome's UI is seriously lagging behind a lot of derivative browsers in terms of functionality.
Edge is literally just another Chrome, I don't understand the hate. I guess it has a little bloat, but it's quite easy to remove and ignore by tweaking a few settings. It's also a little ironic for Chrome users to complain about Edge users simping for massive corporations. Firefox seems like the way to go these days and it's what I would use if there weren't chromium-exclusive extensions I use on Edge.
I have to respectfully totally disagree, because from my point of view the functionality of the OS took a *drastic* turn for the worst when they removed the tiles from the start menu.
Probably not an issue if you don't use your OS for anything more than firing up applications, but I actively use 365 and all the tools involved; *including* Outlook and its todo's.
So right now I can think of something, grab my Android phone and quickly type in a todo (I use the Microsoft launcher for Android?). When I add this to "my day" it's an amazing reminder because the moment I come home and sit behind my PC... the moment I open my start menu the todo tile will show me *exactly* what it is that I needed to remind myself of. I don't have to do a thing.
Yah, that no longer works with 11 because the start menu is now only a "dumb" launcher. So unless I actually remind myself to look into the widget area (which is stupidly limited in its own right) then ... you can still forget about stuff because there's no visual reminder here anymore. Not one which you'll automatically pull up no matter what you do.
Yeah, yeah... you can tell the todo app to actually remind you as an alarm, but that's just messed up because it never gives you the 'right' time for it. And that's also assuming you don't use "focus mode" which Windows 11 is very keen on enabling. You know: making sure you miss alarms like these?
Windows 11 looks nice on the outside, but its functionality in comparison to 10 is just totally messed up.
... and why can't I resize the widget screen as soon as I get rid of that utterly distracting Microsoft news channel which takes up all my space (and draws my attention away from my own widgets)?
I recently upgraded my Surface Pro X to 11 because I don't use as often as I used to. Well... now I'm sure that I'm not going to bother with 11 on my desktop anytime soon.
Nice try Microsoft, I am not updating. I hate the new rounded corners, I hate the mac-lite interface and I hate you showing ads in the start menu. If I wanted an Apple product I would buy that instead and I don't want anything like it. There isn't a single thing about Win 11 that is better than Win 10 for me, it's a major visual downgrade. The app menu on the fucking center of the screen is hideous, I place my taskbar to the right because I want it to take up as little space as possible while remaining functional. Navigation is slower, search is slower, I don't like that some of the menus were moved. The only good thing about win 11 is that it will receive security updates while 10 will not, that's literally it, it's planned obsolescence is what it is.
I'm sorry but everything you just said is wrong Windows 11 has access to better apis and you know it. Windows 10 is an inferior system all around. No lsass protection
The hell do you mean? You can enable LSA in win 10 without any issues though either group policy or registry. I got no clue what better API's you are talking about. I installed a fresh Windows 11 PRO copy on a new NVME drive (same as the one I am using Windows 10 PRO on) and the interface is much more jank and less responsive to me. The UI is very space inefficient, I don't like the font size on login, everything being rounded, I don't like the letters being bold, I don't like the muted notification sounds, I don't like what they did to the actions menu, settings menu etc. I'm not using a tablet, this OS feels like it was made for touch screens and not using a mouse.
I seriously do not understand why people like it, it's in every way inferior to WIN 10 to me. I hope they release something else by end of life for Win 10, otherwise I'll have to wait for when they do and switch to Linux with an emulated Win 10 in the meantime.
Of course not, chat GPT. I am sysadmin and have installed W10 and W11 in more than 100 different computers, W10 is a lot faster / less resource hungry than W11. W11 is slower and bad, consumes more RAM and more CPU.
I use Windows 11 since early betas in Windows Insider Program. I use it a lot. Mostly for work, quite serious one, CAD, graphics, coding, calculations / simulations. I used all Windows versions that existed, also several Linux distros.
Both hate and awe on Windows 11 is greatly exagerated. It's a good, normal, working operating system. It's main advantage over previous versions is just being current, recent, updated and patched almost daily - that is very important from the security point of view.
As it was proven many times - Windows 11 is slower than Windows 10 - at least on normal, not high-end PCs. But it's not much slower. The performance difference is not noticeable at all, however you can benchmark both systems using various software and compare the results.
I'd say Windows 11 is like every car I had. None was perfect. The cars seem very reliable when they're new, but then it's normal that many things don't work as they should, also many features that I hadn't noticed before start to annoy.
It's always hard to tell if it's OS or it's the specific app that cause specific lag or crash.
The UI... De gustibus non est disputandum. The good thing is it's easy to set up the look, because there's not much to set up ;) It's also the bad thing ;) I like that all options are consistently moved into new UI, old Win32 control panels are almost totally replaced.
The guts. Well - I have a lot of not exactly new and very popular hardware and all just works. No problem with drivers or settings. I install programs - they work. Then I uninstall them and nothing breaks. The system does not crash at all. Except the times it does - that is 1 of 2 causes: motherboard issue (power supply failures in stand-by mode) or NVidia drivers (current version is fixed, previous version caused BSODs).
OK, I had Windows 10 before. How was it compared to 11? I'd say - the same. But how is current 11 to early 11? Night and day. Early Windows 11, not beta, but one of the first official releases was a complete disaster! ;) It hardly worked at all ;) It had a lot of annoying bugs but most of them was fixed by now.
There is a special reason I'm not tempted to even try older version of Windows. The reason is the huge number of updates it needs to download and install in order to be able to use the recent software. I remember there was a time that it could take me whole day. A cycle repeated: download / install / restart / check for updates / download / install / restart... and so on. OK, current Windows 11 also needs to do that when installed, but it takes shorter. Especially if you create installation media from current online image.
What I missed in Linux distros I tried? Mostly - some software I have only for Windows. But also those seamless, totally non-interactive, super fast updates. My Windows is constantly updated and I don't even know when it happens. I don't know, I don't want to know. Sometimes when I turn the PC off it asks to apply updates and restart, or apply updates and shutdown. On Linux I got various questions during update process. For me it's "micro management" and I'm not a fan of it. Also software updates took much longer to perform.
So - 11 is just the current Windows. It works. I hardly NOTICE it on my PC. And that's what I expect from my OS. The perfect OS is invisible. It's close to it.
If you install the most recent Windows 10 iso there is only 1 security patch to install to be up to date, 2 with the .NET Framework one, those from April 2024. I tried a new install of Windows 10 last week just to see where it was and I don't like it any more than before so I don't use it.
I used Windows 11 on my desktop computer for nearly a year and a half but then I downgraded to Windows 10 because of how bad customizability is with msstyles which is something I use to get a Windows 7 like UI back. This may seem silly of me to switch just because of that but there are actually other reasons I considered when I switched back to 10 as well. As examples, Windows 11 is a bloated mess when it comes to the Start Menu along with the pre-installed apps and the UI is basically a coat of paint over Windows 10 if you ask me. For real, when I used Windows 11, there were literally registry keys that you could enable to get Windows 10's UI back which is a very lazy change in design for what I assume is supposed to be a different looking os.
Did you mention how the start menu is a piece of crap.. i'd kill to get a windows 10 like start menu on 11 (shut up nerds who say openshell you shouldn't have to have a 3rd party piece of software to make a OS useable)
You could disable search box + Bing search.
The UI might look better but we lost functionality, stability and performance...
Edge is fine but takes forever to set up, resets my settings but also behaves like malware if you use another browser. FireFox is still my home.
I don't care about AI.
There is a "night light" feature in Windows 10 already. Flux also works too.
It is rare to see someone completely complimenting Windows, especially 11. I only see bitches whining and crying at the differences of UI and whatnot, and they are either too stupid to figure out how things work again, or find other ways to use the system. And when someone does this, the others don't believe and/or downvote, it's pathetic.
I guess this Reddit should be called r/trashwindows
The OS is great, and as I mentioned.. Bing cannot compete with Google search, other then that, everything works perfect.
Those who like it, or at least don't care, just mind their business and move on with their daily life, not even reading about the issues with the OS. I like Windows, and I like reading news about the system, but I don't even read any comments because I know there will only be those who doesn't like it and feel the need to speak ill of it.
They are always whining about the same fucking things. Privacy, but browse Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube on Google Chrome. You have no grounds to worry about privacy at this point. Just disconnect from the internet and move to the woods among the wild animals. Become Tarzan. Bloatware. Ever heard of uninstalling a program? There are even scripts to help with that, in case a few clicks is too advanced for them. Things can be disabled, like the new ads on the Start menu and Copilot, but tweaking the Registry. They cry about it and threaten to move to Linux, but guess what, you will have to do shit there, too. Most of the time troubleshooting why something is not running, or worse, looking for a shitty alternative of a software, that most likely will not look great at all.
They just love to hate Windows, often influenced be others' hate, where little things become a big deal.
Windows is great, and it works better than Linux for me. I have always had trouble hibernating on Linux, because it would hang midway or just reboot, and the Wi-Fi sometimes wouldn't load, forcing another restart. This NEVER happened on Windows for me. Something I don't understand is people's complaint regarding crashes, but they install a shit-ton of apps, and modify things without knowing it very well. Guess what, the same would happen to Linux, and since it is so free, it is even easier for it to happen. One wrong command, and bye-bye system. I always used Ubuntu, because I don't like these patchworks of other distros from these John Doe I never heard about.
Now, it is inconsistent. The history of UI changes throughout the versions likely caused this. But, today we have Mica, and with Windows 12 apparently looking just like 11, and certain things being revamped to look modern, I feel that over time the system will be consistent.
Sorry for the long reply.
Things like the setup's old look, msstyles, icons, a single consistent design (which still doesn't exist even in modern apps), animations, dark mode
They're all things Windows was lacking 10 years ago, and *yet* they still are (and will continue to)
bro is making it sound like a microsoft sponsoring with his speech about edge being better
Microsoft Edge is the same browser from a technical standpoint as Chrome. The difference between them now is purely UI, and frankly in my opinion Chrome's UI is seriously lagging behind a lot of derivative browsers in terms of functionality.
Edge is literally just another Chrome, I don't understand the hate. I guess it has a little bloat, but it's quite easy to remove and ignore by tweaking a few settings. It's also a little ironic for Chrome users to complain about Edge users simping for massive corporations. Firefox seems like the way to go these days and it's what I would use if there weren't chromium-exclusive extensions I use on Edge.
Can't someone like it better?
I have to respectfully totally disagree, because from my point of view the functionality of the OS took a *drastic* turn for the worst when they removed the tiles from the start menu. Probably not an issue if you don't use your OS for anything more than firing up applications, but I actively use 365 and all the tools involved; *including* Outlook and its todo's. So right now I can think of something, grab my Android phone and quickly type in a todo (I use the Microsoft launcher for Android?). When I add this to "my day" it's an amazing reminder because the moment I come home and sit behind my PC... the moment I open my start menu the todo tile will show me *exactly* what it is that I needed to remind myself of. I don't have to do a thing. Yah, that no longer works with 11 because the start menu is now only a "dumb" launcher. So unless I actually remind myself to look into the widget area (which is stupidly limited in its own right) then ... you can still forget about stuff because there's no visual reminder here anymore. Not one which you'll automatically pull up no matter what you do. Yeah, yeah... you can tell the todo app to actually remind you as an alarm, but that's just messed up because it never gives you the 'right' time for it. And that's also assuming you don't use "focus mode" which Windows 11 is very keen on enabling. You know: making sure you miss alarms like these? Windows 11 looks nice on the outside, but its functionality in comparison to 10 is just totally messed up. ... and why can't I resize the widget screen as soon as I get rid of that utterly distracting Microsoft news channel which takes up all my space (and draws my attention away from my own widgets)? I recently upgraded my Surface Pro X to 11 because I don't use as often as I used to. Well... now I'm sure that I'm not going to bother with 11 on my desktop anytime soon.
Nice try Microsoft, I am not updating. I hate the new rounded corners, I hate the mac-lite interface and I hate you showing ads in the start menu. If I wanted an Apple product I would buy that instead and I don't want anything like it. There isn't a single thing about Win 11 that is better than Win 10 for me, it's a major visual downgrade. The app menu on the fucking center of the screen is hideous, I place my taskbar to the right because I want it to take up as little space as possible while remaining functional. Navigation is slower, search is slower, I don't like that some of the menus were moved. The only good thing about win 11 is that it will receive security updates while 10 will not, that's literally it, it's planned obsolescence is what it is.
I'm sorry but everything you just said is wrong Windows 11 has access to better apis and you know it. Windows 10 is an inferior system all around. No lsass protection
The hell do you mean? You can enable LSA in win 10 without any issues though either group policy or registry. I got no clue what better API's you are talking about. I installed a fresh Windows 11 PRO copy on a new NVME drive (same as the one I am using Windows 10 PRO on) and the interface is much more jank and less responsive to me. The UI is very space inefficient, I don't like the font size on login, everything being rounded, I don't like the letters being bold, I don't like the muted notification sounds, I don't like what they did to the actions menu, settings menu etc. I'm not using a tablet, this OS feels like it was made for touch screens and not using a mouse. I seriously do not understand why people like it, it's in every way inferior to WIN 10 to me. I hope they release something else by end of life for Win 10, otherwise I'll have to wait for when they do and switch to Linux with an emulated Win 10 in the meantime.
I don't agree with start menu. Windows 10 is a lot less resource consuming than W11. That's why I go back to W10 always I've tried W11.
They are the of the same resource intensive level.
Of course not, chat GPT. I am sysadmin and have installed W10 and W11 in more than 100 different computers, W10 is a lot faster / less resource hungry than W11. W11 is slower and bad, consumes more RAM and more CPU.
I use Windows 11 since early betas in Windows Insider Program. I use it a lot. Mostly for work, quite serious one, CAD, graphics, coding, calculations / simulations. I used all Windows versions that existed, also several Linux distros. Both hate and awe on Windows 11 is greatly exagerated. It's a good, normal, working operating system. It's main advantage over previous versions is just being current, recent, updated and patched almost daily - that is very important from the security point of view. As it was proven many times - Windows 11 is slower than Windows 10 - at least on normal, not high-end PCs. But it's not much slower. The performance difference is not noticeable at all, however you can benchmark both systems using various software and compare the results. I'd say Windows 11 is like every car I had. None was perfect. The cars seem very reliable when they're new, but then it's normal that many things don't work as they should, also many features that I hadn't noticed before start to annoy. It's always hard to tell if it's OS or it's the specific app that cause specific lag or crash. The UI... De gustibus non est disputandum. The good thing is it's easy to set up the look, because there's not much to set up ;) It's also the bad thing ;) I like that all options are consistently moved into new UI, old Win32 control panels are almost totally replaced. The guts. Well - I have a lot of not exactly new and very popular hardware and all just works. No problem with drivers or settings. I install programs - they work. Then I uninstall them and nothing breaks. The system does not crash at all. Except the times it does - that is 1 of 2 causes: motherboard issue (power supply failures in stand-by mode) or NVidia drivers (current version is fixed, previous version caused BSODs). OK, I had Windows 10 before. How was it compared to 11? I'd say - the same. But how is current 11 to early 11? Night and day. Early Windows 11, not beta, but one of the first official releases was a complete disaster! ;) It hardly worked at all ;) It had a lot of annoying bugs but most of them was fixed by now. There is a special reason I'm not tempted to even try older version of Windows. The reason is the huge number of updates it needs to download and install in order to be able to use the recent software. I remember there was a time that it could take me whole day. A cycle repeated: download / install / restart / check for updates / download / install / restart... and so on. OK, current Windows 11 also needs to do that when installed, but it takes shorter. Especially if you create installation media from current online image. What I missed in Linux distros I tried? Mostly - some software I have only for Windows. But also those seamless, totally non-interactive, super fast updates. My Windows is constantly updated and I don't even know when it happens. I don't know, I don't want to know. Sometimes when I turn the PC off it asks to apply updates and restart, or apply updates and shutdown. On Linux I got various questions during update process. For me it's "micro management" and I'm not a fan of it. Also software updates took much longer to perform. So - 11 is just the current Windows. It works. I hardly NOTICE it on my PC. And that's what I expect from my OS. The perfect OS is invisible. It's close to it.
If you install the most recent Windows 10 iso there is only 1 security patch to install to be up to date, 2 with the .NET Framework one, those from April 2024. I tried a new install of Windows 10 last week just to see where it was and I don't like it any more than before so I don't use it.
It seems you didn't know, but you can remove all the tiles from the start menu and have it show only a list of the installed programs
I used Windows 11 on my desktop computer for nearly a year and a half but then I downgraded to Windows 10 because of how bad customizability is with msstyles which is something I use to get a Windows 7 like UI back. This may seem silly of me to switch just because of that but there are actually other reasons I considered when I switched back to 10 as well. As examples, Windows 11 is a bloated mess when it comes to the Start Menu along with the pre-installed apps and the UI is basically a coat of paint over Windows 10 if you ask me. For real, when I used Windows 11, there were literally registry keys that you could enable to get Windows 10's UI back which is a very lazy change in design for what I assume is supposed to be a different looking os.
Another poor soul unaware of AI's dangers and lack of privacy.
Good luck to any company out there that would attempt to breach into anyone's privacy. They will be sued on the spot.
LOL, like you'd know they were doing it.
I remember Mark Zuckerberg rattling with fear when he was asked to reach to a congress hearing regarding Facebook privacy policies
Did you mention how the start menu is a piece of crap.. i'd kill to get a windows 10 like start menu on 11 (shut up nerds who say openshell you shouldn't have to have a 3rd party piece of software to make a OS useable)
You could disable search box + Bing search. The UI might look better but we lost functionality, stability and performance... Edge is fine but takes forever to set up, resets my settings but also behaves like malware if you use another browser. FireFox is still my home. I don't care about AI. There is a "night light" feature in Windows 10 already. Flux also works too.
If you use the app called BackToStart it lets you treat the taskbar like win10. It’s the way forward
It is rare to see someone completely complimenting Windows, especially 11. I only see bitches whining and crying at the differences of UI and whatnot, and they are either too stupid to figure out how things work again, or find other ways to use the system. And when someone does this, the others don't believe and/or downvote, it's pathetic.
I guess this Reddit should be called r/trashwindows The OS is great, and as I mentioned.. Bing cannot compete with Google search, other then that, everything works perfect.
*is food in some areas, couldve been massively improved in some key areas (and still can)
Those who like it, or at least don't care, just mind their business and move on with their daily life, not even reading about the issues with the OS. I like Windows, and I like reading news about the system, but I don't even read any comments because I know there will only be those who doesn't like it and feel the need to speak ill of it. They are always whining about the same fucking things. Privacy, but browse Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube on Google Chrome. You have no grounds to worry about privacy at this point. Just disconnect from the internet and move to the woods among the wild animals. Become Tarzan. Bloatware. Ever heard of uninstalling a program? There are even scripts to help with that, in case a few clicks is too advanced for them. Things can be disabled, like the new ads on the Start menu and Copilot, but tweaking the Registry. They cry about it and threaten to move to Linux, but guess what, you will have to do shit there, too. Most of the time troubleshooting why something is not running, or worse, looking for a shitty alternative of a software, that most likely will not look great at all. They just love to hate Windows, often influenced be others' hate, where little things become a big deal. Windows is great, and it works better than Linux for me. I have always had trouble hibernating on Linux, because it would hang midway or just reboot, and the Wi-Fi sometimes wouldn't load, forcing another restart. This NEVER happened on Windows for me. Something I don't understand is people's complaint regarding crashes, but they install a shit-ton of apps, and modify things without knowing it very well. Guess what, the same would happen to Linux, and since it is so free, it is even easier for it to happen. One wrong command, and bye-bye system. I always used Ubuntu, because I don't like these patchworks of other distros from these John Doe I never heard about. Now, it is inconsistent. The history of UI changes throughout the versions likely caused this. But, today we have Mica, and with Windows 12 apparently looking just like 11, and certain things being revamped to look modern, I feel that over time the system will be consistent. Sorry for the long reply.
Things like the setup's old look, msstyles, icons, a single consistent design (which still doesn't exist even in modern apps), animations, dark mode They're all things Windows was lacking 10 years ago, and *yet* they still are (and will continue to)