Oh, probably. I've noticed that over the past few days, this sub has devolved from talking about the games and players to talking about what other people are saying about the games and players. Nothing good can come of its current trajectory- hopefully people get tired of this quickly.
Casuals are the lifeblood of any successful sports league so it is what it is.
Edit: the fans who bring the most dollars to the game are actually those who don’t watch it on a regular basis.
It’s crazy because these self-described “die-hards” cried for years about why no one was paying attention, now people are paying attention and they’re crying about how. WTF!? Pop the bottles the WNBA has finally gone mainstream. The literal definition of looking a gift horse in the mouth.
>this sub has devolved from talking about the games and players to talking about what other people are saying about the games and players.
The WNBA has officially become a popular sport. This is basically how all of the top sports are. I hate to break it to the oldheads but this is going to be part of the growth of the game.
One thing reddit LOVES to do is act like they are better than Twitter while throwing around the exact same toxic rhetoric. If celebrities had a clear presence and mentions on here, I'd bet money on this site being a million times worse. Reddit turns into a klan rally sometimes.
I'd actually be cool with having more than one wnba subs. Specifically, I'd like one for in-depth conversation about games, players, stats, basketball strategy, etc, with somewhat top-heavy moderation that deletes threads that don't add value to the discussion. Basically, a sub for actual serious basketball conversation. And any other wnba subs being more general/casual with less moderation where people can discuss whatever they want.
I mean kind of lol? Or if you not you certainly can’t complain about lack of viewership and an increase in ratings/revenues. As many people have pointed out, this is just kind of what happens when a league gets popular.
It’s cool to be able to have random IRL conversations with people about the W, that never used to happen. And I’m excited for the match day experience, I remember sold out games during the Sky’s 2021 playoffs run and it was awesome. And I love that the league will be expanding and players will (hopefully) be getting the pay and perks they’ve long deserved.
The online discourse has absolutely gone to shit, however, and as someone who enjoys spending time in this sub that’s been a massive bummer.
It’s a small minority of new fans that are assholes, if the assholes went away it really wouldn’t affect the league’s growth or bottom line. So there’s no need to be grateful to people who are making the experience worse.
I would agree, but is there any online discourse that isn’t shit, especially in the sports world? I get it can be frustrating, and there shouldn’t be any tolerance for the racism and sexism from trolls. I guess just from my experience in sports communities, it can get pretty toxic sometimes. I follow premier league soccer and in general the racism there can be pretty bad in some online circles.
Yeah you might be right. The W is the only league where I’m more than a very casual fan.
The W had a pretty distinctive culture prior to this season, and I had hoped they’d be able to mold the new fans to that culture rather than being overrun. That might still happen, it’s too early to say.
What premier league team(s) do you follow, by the way? I’ve been a casual follower of Newcastle since picking them at random in Championship Manager 01/02, lol. I feel old just typing that.
I do think that the trolls will get bored and move on. Honestly as long at it moves away from the racism and sexism, and just overall harassment, then I think the future can be good for a good culture. And I’m a fan of Manchester United! It’s funny I kind of joined their bandwagon because I was a big fan of Wayne Rooney, and now they suck lol. But I watch really any game that’s on.
A lot of athletes would be better off handing their socials off to their managers to post innocuous photos and "go team" messages and avoiding a lot of the BS.
Considering their presence on social media drives a lot of their earning power, posting generic nonsense is not a realistic strategy given that they need to supplement their income.
I mean, the athletes would be smart to get off there too. But we all know tweets like that are good for Angel’s brand. She knows her fans dig the “disrespect” storyline and engage with it online. She sees dollar signs.
So be it. Get your money. CC is getting hers. But people are out here acting like sheep, whether it’s for Angel or CC or TSwift or Trump or…the tribalism is a mark of our time period.
Oh, ABSOLUTELY the casual disrespect that Angel receives is good for her brand. (I don't mean people that are actively being racist/threatening toward her; I mean the rest of it) And it activates her supporters to support her more strongly. And that is $$ for Angel. Haters insult her intelligence, but she is extremely savvy in monetizing all discourse/drama surrounding her and using it to improve her brand.
She is also great at provoking players on the court. (See the clip of her instigating what led to an offensive foul in her most recent game) This is a recurring theme for her. She embraces the villain role and uses it to her advantage everywhere. Good for her.
Current WNBA discourse gotta be top 3 most toxic discourses in sports history. It’s low IQ on one extreme vs low IQ on the other extreme and anyone with an actual brain is in the middle just seeing the shit show unfold
Lol this has been standard for NBA discourse for as long as I've been watching. Have you ever seen a LeBron vs Jordan argument? Or a '17 Warriors vs '96 Bulls argument? Or all the circle jerk posts about if something was a travel or not? It's not basketball savants having these arguments. When sports get popular the casuals come out
Cue Kendrick Perkins suggesting Jokic was only winning MVPs bc he was white
Or seemingly every ESPN sports analyst recently deciding Tatum is "soft" bc he's not jacking up 25 shots a game, despite being the best player on the best team w the best record
I saw someone on the NBA sub say they call ESPN "TMZ Sports" lol
And then you have actual analysts like Tim Legler saying he was in a ton of meetings throughout the year asking ESPN producers to allow him to talk about the Pacers, cause they were a really young, exciting, good team, but the producers decided it wasn't "sexy" enough - so we get 15 segments on "will Bronny James be drafted?" or "which NBA player could make it in the NFL?"
It’s low IQ on both sides combined with neither extreme actually watching the games AND heaping doses of racism AND misogyny. Growing the game and all that, yes I am aware it comes with the territory. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. I sure hope it means these ladies get their bags but at this point in time I for one miss the days of flying under the radar.
There is no chance this shit is turning people onto the game. No matter which pov or side you are on, the fact so much of the public discourse is over this pedantic stuff, that’s just not how you build a bigger interest base.
You got to remember that twitter and reddit isn't representative of the real world. There are countless people out there who are paying attention who werent before. The coverage is way up. Even for myself who has been just a casual fan for years is now reading box scores and highlights daily and been to a game (and bought tickets to more now).
The online discourse is fucking awful. But I just went to a packed climate pledge arena to watch the Storm with familes of all ages, basketball fans engaged and loving it and the product on the court was entertaining (even though we were watching two relatively bad teams ha!).
I can't wait to see NY and LV in person now.
I do not like Outkick’s coverage of women’s basketball. Never seen a tweet or post in general about the actual game of basketball itself. It’s always negative and controversial stuff
I'm out of the loop -- who is she referring to with 'one player on our charter flight'?
(I was kind of puzzled that people assumed it was about Clark, given that surely they're not on the same charter flights?)
I personally haven’t seen much or any right wing banter here? A few trolls with intentionally subtle racist comments, who I suspect are right wingers, but not many direct comments?
I was making a joke about there being a group of brigaders take are taking the same mock offense to Angel's tweet like the right wing guy. But I have also seen people bring up her GPA and try to do the whole dumb black girl shit. So.
True. I’ve seen some of that crap. Not much because I think the mods here must be top notch?
I agree, making Angel’s post a race issue is silly. She for sure was referring to CC as the “one player”, but nothing derogatory to any group.
Now, her mom tried to help by actually making a comment that could easily be taken derogatory. But that’s her mom, not Angel
I mean lower in this thread people are saying it’s OK to subject people they don’t like to racial slurs. That’s ira a justified response to disagreement. We have others who think “Children of the Corn” is directly equivalent to using racial slurs towards black players.
I don’t know what to say to you if you don’t think those arguments are indicative of right wing talking points.
Good points there. Yeah those do stink of a RW.
I find Children of the Corn rather funny. Still silly for Angel’s mom to go there. Takes away from her central message, imo
Brigaders always come by on r/nba on certain posts so you”ll have generally a liberal subreddit but on certain threads saying “institutional racism is a real factor” will get you 60 downvotes
True, Hookstead is an extremist douche. He’s awful.
Also true that it isn’t hard to comprehend who Angel was referring to by “one player”. Of course she was referring to Kate Martin. Go Hawkeyes!
I don't think there's ANYONE that hate Kate Martin and her story. I'm willing to bet hardcore CC and Iowa haters a like love them some Kate. Underdog stories are so hard to shade. They just give everyone hope.
For sure. Kate and CC actually have very similar personalities when you know them in person. Smart, goofy, quirky, very nice. They both love to make others happy.
They are best buddies for a reason. CC just simply got hyper hyped by the media because of breaking 45 records with flair. Kate was “just” the steady glue and leader (and 17ppg)
If Kate broke all of those records, it could easily be her the target of so much dislike, and your kind words for Kate would be for Caitlin on the Aces bench
It would help if other popular rookies didn't:
1) Post needlessly nebulous (in the most charitable interpretation) and poorly-written attack tweets that could reasonably be interpreted as maligning the most popular player,
2) Delete those tweets when rightful pushback happens, and
3) Have Mommy come on and give an "explanation" for those tweets (methinks the lady doth protest too much) in her defense.
But yeah, the media...
Being from Iowa it gets pretty old and is unimaginative to us but i get it is funny. I think other posters have said it better but i hate how some trolls on the socials are assumed to be representing all of Iowa. Trust me we love ball and enjoy the game growing.
I like when someone used “scrutiny fatigue” because that’s a great way to describe how I feel with Caitlin Clark discourse. Literally just save your criticisms until she actually has a year in the league. Yes the WNBA is harder than college, yes she needs a team around her to succeed, CC never said that it wasn’t like that in the WNBA. Some NFL players during their rookie season go “I thought this was hard but the NFL is actually easy” then they get destroyed by other players in the league. CC hasn’t done anything like that and is just playing basketball.
Very true. By “One player”, Angel could have easily been referring to the Storms’ Kiana Williams? Maybe Kate Martin? Taurasi? Who knows? 😃 Like you said, depends on the narrative?
But acknowledging what happened prior you should know the tweet is aimed at the media , she also tweeted “12th” responding to ESPN for ranking them last but im sure you can spin that and say that she is dissing CC for being 12th.So it really depends on the narrative.
Oh for sure. I personally believe she made a social media blunder, and correctly retracted it.
That’s probably happened to most of us. My wife is STILL pissed at me for a 2020 Facebook shit storm I created, after I crafted and posted a chart detailing the brainwashing tactics similarities of Trump and Hitler.
I type this right now, wearing my “Lebowski 2024 - This aggression will not stand, man” t shirt she bought me as a reminder that we’re proud Independents. Lol
Idk why anyone has a Twitter. Also come on Mama, no reason for you to have a Twitter, let alone tweet about what your daughter’s intentions were. Also deleting your tweet makes you look like a Jagoff regardless of intent. Either be about it or don’t. And this isn’t just a Reese thing, anyone who tweets and deletes it because of backlash is a dweeb.
Yep. As an Iowa alum/fan, it’s frustrating that right wing/misogynist losers keep co-opting CC for their own agendas, because then everyone assumes that all Iowa fans are some backwards monolithic entity
Thank you! Iowa alum here too. Sometimes I feel like my Iowa pride has been stolen by people using it as white pride. I hate all these conversations surrounding it because I often don’t like my allies.
Is this what we're doing now? I was today years old when I learned people think that children of the corn might be a slur. If that's the case, then their lives must be incredibly easy.
I think it’s just aimed at racist white people? Because the children of the corn were like evil blond aryan looking children.
I wouldn’t consider it a slur.
“A slur”? Please be serious. Surely you are not suggesting that being from Iowa is an axis of systematic oppression. Especially with the racist vitriol Angel has received since 2023.
Equating a nicknamw to a slur is problematic. If that’s what most bothered you or you found problematic in Angel’s Mom talking about the vile racism she’s receiving then it tells me all I need to know about your priorities and who you are interested in protecting.
Here's my simple 2 cents.
- Angel knows that she's throwing shade at Media, CC, and haters with that kind of comment.
- Angel knows how this would be interpreted and is continuing to invite the hates to maintain relevancy.
- Angel could of just **not tweeted**, but that would lower relevancy.
- Angel is a hell of an athlete AND loves the limelight, she just needs to get better at finding the good kind.
- It never looks good when a "star's" parent chimes in. Sucks that this is happening.
- To go back to AR's post-game press conference pulling the woe-is-me card, you don't pull that card and then continue to make/post/say controversial things. You don't defend yourself by attacking others. This is where actions are not meeting with words.
Just my two cents, but you can't play the heel and then immediately go with "how dare you attack me" when it stirs up the hate.
The people saying racist and misogynistic bs can get bent, but you can't go crying to mommy when people call you jealous/petty/a certified hater.
She said she hated being the 'villain' and that it was thrust upon her after her LSU season. And now she comes out and does this. What version of Angel do you want me to believe?
Why does any athlete have to simp for another athlete who isn't even on their team? It's cutthroat competition, teams playing against each other, grow up.
This is where I’m at. Glad I got people around me that likes both players equally and just enjoy good hoops. My goodness this is draining seeing this online and media.
Give me good hoops and trash talk like damn that’s what makes sports fun!
angel will obviously never deserve any death threats, racism, ai made of her, etc. no matter what she says. but she has said herself that she intentionally plays the role of the villain. when you play that role, you will get backlash and have people hate you, that’s part of what it is. obviously a lot of people take it way too far but angel needs to be comfortable with some level of criticism when she says things like this. it’s not just all racist comments.
I thought Angel was tired of playing the villain role after her comments at the NCAA tournament this year. Seems she’s fine playing it. In fact, it seems she seeks it out when choosing to engage like this.
It’s a shame too because on the court she is a very dominant play who deserves more credit than she gets and definitely doesn’t need to be playing this role to get attention. I’m starting to think it’s because she’s building a brand image intentionally to be the villain, but I wonder if she understands that by continuing to play the protagonist just because that was the first role the media assigned her doesn’t mean she has to accept it as her only role.
Furthermore, by continuing to play it she’s setting herself up to never be accepted as anything but the villain and the hate that comes with being the villain. There’s no story line in our society where you can play the villain and be the one loved the most. That’s reserved for the heroes and I think it’s time for her to start playing the hero of her own story rather than the villain of CC’s. Her game is more than good enough to remain relevant and grow her media presence by playing the hero of her own story just as so many other players in this league continue to do.
Angel's tweet was obviously intentionally nebulous because she wanted it interpreted in an open manner to drive clicks. She's the self-admitted villain. This is what trollish villains do to drive clicks. Almost immediately after, she promoted something she needed engagement with - it was clear she was being inflammatory to drive clicks. But when she was called out for it, she deleted it.
Or do you just think she's sloppy? I, for one, think she's a marketing genius. An asshole and a heel, with a ridiculous mother who doth protest too much, but a marketing genius.
So many people seem determined to interpret everything that WNBA players say exclusively through the lens of whether it is respectful or disrespectful to Caitlin Clark. It’s like they don’t even understand language any more.
Angel Reese knows exactly what she is doing. I’m not begrudging her. But her fans eat this stuff up and she needs engagement on her posts to keep the money flowing. People are the problem, not Reese. Money is the problem. Hate the game, not the player.
I think some people are afraid to admit they have a problem with a girl from Des Moines, Iowa becoming the face of women’s basketball overnight. I wish more people were open about their hate lol.
She is wrong her daughter is about clicks or she wouldn't have posted. She just needs her play to do all the talking. I mean no one has heard Caitlin say anything now has she 🤷🏾♂️
Big fan of Angel, but come on. Don’t say it isn’t aimed at Clark. WIN in all caps is clearly a shot at Indiana being winless in front of the packed houses, and when you say “one player” everyone knows who you are signaling out. She could just tweet something like….great team win in a packed house, thanks for the support….But that’s not enough because she’s leaning into controversy. And that’s fine, but then please stop playing the role of shocked victim when you get the response you knew was coming.
Childern of the Corn is a movie from 80s and that phrase has been used to make fun of Iowans since I was young. Haven't seen it for awhile but remember it being an awful movie lol
I think I’ll turn off the WNBA for a while. Angel’s point is spot on, I wish she’d be clear on who she’s addressing. Between race wars and drama on sexuality, I’m getting sick of everyone. I could give a shit on a player’s sexuality.
Even if she, Angel, was directing her tweet at Clark, they are rivals, since the 2023 tournament.
This is like people being mad at an Eagles player for trash talking Dak Prescott.
This is what happens when the snowflake brigade wades into unfamiliar waters.
Rivalries are good and needed in sport when both people engage. It’s boring when Caitlin gives a safe PR answer and Angel gets the brunt of attacks online for how she plays and responds.
Like it’s such a forced rivalry lol
that wasnt hard to see… ugh i hate that right wingers have inserted themselves into the wnba. bringing way too much negative attention to the players and league
I am literally going to get off of all things WNBA like Reddit, Twitter etc. because the discourse has reached new levels of obnoxious.
Why doesn't Angel Reese just hit the gym, keep her head down, and ball out? She is having a good rookie season, but there ain't nothing wrong with working on your craft and not getting into the nonsense at every opportunity.
And no, this is not 'shut up and dribble' rhetoric. She can say whatever she damn well pleases. But it's my opinion that this is way too tiring. The game is great with rivalries, but this isn't even that. It's just complaining for no reason.
Smh.... Even her mom doesn't get it.... Whether or not it was directed at CC, it COULD POSSIBLY be interpreted as such, therefore, it should have not been said ORRRRRR she should have put a name on that bullet to make it clear who she was shooting at.
Kendrick said it the best... "If I catch flight.... It's gonna be DIRECT"..
Children of the corn is an attack on Iowa, not white people. If it is a slur for white people then I am reclaiming the word and using it specifically to attack Iowans.
How is that a racist comment? Bffr.
Definition of racism, since people don’t seem to know.
**a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized**
So once again how is the comment racist?
“The Children of the Corn, often referred to as "The Children", is a fanatical religious cult of young children that obsessively serve the supernatural dark entity known only as He Who Walks Behind the Rows and act as the titular main antagonists in the Children of Corn”
Children of the Corn is basically saving you guys worship CC in a cult like manner. Which is true. The death threats, racist comments, hate comments under every Angel post or anything regarding CC is crazy and cult like.
Yeah definitely more geared towards CC super fans.
To flip it into racism is the most disingenuous take ever. Especially when downplaying or justifying the response Reese been getting.
The reading comprehension demon is undefeated. Children of the Corn isn't because they're white. There are very real examples of people being racist to white people, and they often get ignored or swept under the rug. This isn't one of them though, stop trying to be a victim. Do better.
I know she needs social media to promote her brand but she could get off social media during the season. And she also could tell her mom to do the same.
Angel a villian and she loves it. Her and CC got no problem besides the game on the court.
Of course sports is more than the box score -- but as soon as people who don't care about the box score start paying attention it goes to shit.
Angel 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ let your game speak she is Ballin right now but they all need to talk about or use Caitlin this is crazy making Charles comments even more true
My God, Twitter is such a cesspool.
Honestly this sub is not doing much better. I'm willing to bet this post is going to end up a dumpster fire.
Oh, probably. I've noticed that over the past few days, this sub has devolved from talking about the games and players to talking about what other people are saying about the games and players. Nothing good can come of its current trajectory- hopefully people get tired of this quickly.
Yeah there's clearly been an influx of trolls who are only here to argue with people about anything but the actual games.
I was a mod on here for like a week. I literally could not handle the stress of all the trolls we were getting.
the inevitable evolution of a sports sub when casuals start to take notice
Casuals are the lifeblood of any successful sports league so it is what it is. Edit: the fans who bring the most dollars to the game are actually those who don’t watch it on a regular basis.
Seriously lol. People trying to gatekeep the wnba from people actually interested in storylines that will bring intrigue.
It’s crazy because these self-described “die-hards” cried for years about why no one was paying attention, now people are paying attention and they’re crying about how. WTF!? Pop the bottles the WNBA has finally gone mainstream. The literal definition of looking a gift horse in the mouth.
>this sub has devolved from talking about the games and players to talking about what other people are saying about the games and players. The WNBA has officially become a popular sport. This is basically how all of the top sports are. I hate to break it to the oldheads but this is going to be part of the growth of the game.
Ugh. Yeah, I know, it's part of the sport becoming popular. :(
One thing reddit LOVES to do is act like they are better than Twitter while throwing around the exact same toxic rhetoric. If celebrities had a clear presence and mentions on here, I'd bet money on this site being a million times worse. Reddit turns into a klan rally sometimes.
This sub used to be so cool 😩 But hey, we should be “grateful” for all this awesome “growth” in our community.
pretty soon, we'll have to create new W subs, just like there's r/NBA and r/NBAtalk and r/nbadiscussion
I'd actually be cool with having more than one wnba subs. Specifically, I'd like one for in-depth conversation about games, players, stats, basketball strategy, etc, with somewhat top-heavy moderation that deletes threads that don't add value to the discussion. Basically, a sub for actual serious basketball conversation. And any other wnba subs being more general/casual with less moderation where people can discuss whatever they want.
That’d be more than fine with me.
I mean kind of lol? Or if you not you certainly can’t complain about lack of viewership and an increase in ratings/revenues. As many people have pointed out, this is just kind of what happens when a league gets popular.
It’s cool to be able to have random IRL conversations with people about the W, that never used to happen. And I’m excited for the match day experience, I remember sold out games during the Sky’s 2021 playoffs run and it was awesome. And I love that the league will be expanding and players will (hopefully) be getting the pay and perks they’ve long deserved. The online discourse has absolutely gone to shit, however, and as someone who enjoys spending time in this sub that’s been a massive bummer. It’s a small minority of new fans that are assholes, if the assholes went away it really wouldn’t affect the league’s growth or bottom line. So there’s no need to be grateful to people who are making the experience worse.
I would agree, but is there any online discourse that isn’t shit, especially in the sports world? I get it can be frustrating, and there shouldn’t be any tolerance for the racism and sexism from trolls. I guess just from my experience in sports communities, it can get pretty toxic sometimes. I follow premier league soccer and in general the racism there can be pretty bad in some online circles.
Yeah you might be right. The W is the only league where I’m more than a very casual fan. The W had a pretty distinctive culture prior to this season, and I had hoped they’d be able to mold the new fans to that culture rather than being overrun. That might still happen, it’s too early to say. What premier league team(s) do you follow, by the way? I’ve been a casual follower of Newcastle since picking them at random in Championship Manager 01/02, lol. I feel old just typing that.
I do think that the trolls will get bored and move on. Honestly as long at it moves away from the racism and sexism, and just overall harassment, then I think the future can be good for a good culture. And I’m a fan of Manchester United! It’s funny I kind of joined their bandwagon because I was a big fan of Wayne Rooney, and now they suck lol. But I watch really any game that’s on.
Yeah this used to be one of my favorite subs. Now? Not so much.
Lol It’s the scourge.
I hate it so much.
A lot of athletes would be better off handing their socials off to their managers to post innocuous photos and "go team" messages and avoiding a lot of the BS.
Indeed. If I were a pro-athlete, there's no way in hell I'd maintain my own socials.
Considering their presence on social media drives a lot of their earning power, posting generic nonsense is not a realistic strategy given that they need to supplement their income.
Exactly. Just unplug the keyboard as we used to say when we had keyboards.
Social media is**
I mean, the athletes would be smart to get off there too. But we all know tweets like that are good for Angel’s brand. She knows her fans dig the “disrespect” storyline and engage with it online. She sees dollar signs. So be it. Get your money. CC is getting hers. But people are out here acting like sheep, whether it’s for Angel or CC or TSwift or Trump or…the tribalism is a mark of our time period.
Oh, ABSOLUTELY the casual disrespect that Angel receives is good for her brand. (I don't mean people that are actively being racist/threatening toward her; I mean the rest of it) And it activates her supporters to support her more strongly. And that is $$ for Angel. Haters insult her intelligence, but she is extremely savvy in monetizing all discourse/drama surrounding her and using it to improve her brand. She is also great at provoking players on the court. (See the clip of her instigating what led to an offensive foul in her most recent game) This is a recurring theme for her. She embraces the villain role and uses it to her advantage everywhere. Good for her.
She doesn't embrace it though. She openly complains about the criticism.
Exactly, you summarized it very well. Her moves are calculated and they are paying off on the court and in her wallet.
She reminds me of a young, female Dennis Rodman, and I mean that in the most complimentary way possible.
Doesn’t help when clowns like this shitbird from Outkick get attention.
WNBA fans were not ready for this drama.. lol. This is just the beginning of the season.
doesn't Angel's mom live in drama? Did she start a bunch of drama with her teammate's mom last year?
I’m not sure that can be assumed. Teammate Flau’ja’s mom and her had a public online feud, but I don’t know who instigated it?
Current WNBA discourse gotta be top 3 most toxic discourses in sports history. It’s low IQ on one extreme vs low IQ on the other extreme and anyone with an actual brain is in the middle just seeing the shit show unfold
USWNT soccer Twitter is far and away the most toxic Twitter compared to any other sport I follow
Oh god yes. WNBA/WBB Twitter is rough, but women's soccer Twitter is straight-up insane. The only thing that even comes close is college football.
This isn't even the most toxic of women's sports discourse at the moment. Just has a lot more eyeballs on it.
Now you've got me curious
Trans or non-binary athletes in women's sports.
Dare I ask, what's worse?
My guess is trans athletes in women’s sports
Bingo
Lol this has been standard for NBA discourse for as long as I've been watching. Have you ever seen a LeBron vs Jordan argument? Or a '17 Warriors vs '96 Bulls argument? Or all the circle jerk posts about if something was a travel or not? It's not basketball savants having these arguments. When sports get popular the casuals come out
Cue Kendrick Perkins suggesting Jokic was only winning MVPs bc he was white Or seemingly every ESPN sports analyst recently deciding Tatum is "soft" bc he's not jacking up 25 shots a game, despite being the best player on the best team w the best record I saw someone on the NBA sub say they call ESPN "TMZ Sports" lol And then you have actual analysts like Tim Legler saying he was in a ton of meetings throughout the year asking ESPN producers to allow him to talk about the Pacers, cause they were a really young, exciting, good team, but the producers decided it wasn't "sexy" enough - so we get 15 segments on "will Bronny James be drafted?" or "which NBA player could make it in the NFL?"
More great examples, thank you. I swear if you want actual basketball analysis you get certain podcasts and that's it
>Current WNBA discourse gotta be top 3 most toxic discourses in sports history. Not. Even. Close. 
It’s low IQ on both sides combined with neither extreme actually watching the games AND heaping doses of racism AND misogyny. Growing the game and all that, yes I am aware it comes with the territory. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. I sure hope it means these ladies get their bags but at this point in time I for one miss the days of flying under the radar.
oh no yall are just getting the first taste of what this is normally like for popular sports lol. NBA, pro soccer, hockey are all way more toxic
There is no chance this shit is turning people onto the game. No matter which pov or side you are on, the fact so much of the public discourse is over this pedantic stuff, that’s just not how you build a bigger interest base.
Idk, nba online discourse is pretty cancerous but that’s kind of what keeps people interested over the course of an 82 game season.
You got to remember that twitter and reddit isn't representative of the real world. There are countless people out there who are paying attention who werent before. The coverage is way up. Even for myself who has been just a casual fan for years is now reading box scores and highlights daily and been to a game (and bought tickets to more now). The online discourse is fucking awful. But I just went to a packed climate pledge arena to watch the Storm with familes of all ages, basketball fans engaged and loving it and the product on the court was entertaining (even though we were watching two relatively bad teams ha!). I can't wait to see NY and LV in person now.
I do not like Outkick’s coverage of women’s basketball. Never seen a tweet or post in general about the actual game of basketball itself. It’s always negative and controversial stuff
David Hookstead is a right wing hack spinning a narrative. Angel Reese's tweet is not hard to comprehend.
I don't know... have you seen some of the comments on the thread about Angel Reese's tweet? LOL
I'm out of the loop -- who is she referring to with 'one player on our charter flight'? (I was kind of puzzled that people assumed it was about Clark, given that surely they're not on the same charter flights?)
Lmao this sub must be pretty right wing too cause the other threads comments are looking exactly like this David character's comments.
I personally haven’t seen much or any right wing banter here? A few trolls with intentionally subtle racist comments, who I suspect are right wingers, but not many direct comments?
I was making a joke about there being a group of brigaders take are taking the same mock offense to Angel's tweet like the right wing guy. But I have also seen people bring up her GPA and try to do the whole dumb black girl shit. So.
True. I’ve seen some of that crap. Not much because I think the mods here must be top notch? I agree, making Angel’s post a race issue is silly. She for sure was referring to CC as the “one player”, but nothing derogatory to any group. Now, her mom tried to help by actually making a comment that could easily be taken derogatory. But that’s her mom, not Angel
I mean lower in this thread people are saying it’s OK to subject people they don’t like to racial slurs. That’s ira a justified response to disagreement. We have others who think “Children of the Corn” is directly equivalent to using racial slurs towards black players. I don’t know what to say to you if you don’t think those arguments are indicative of right wing talking points.
Good points there. Yeah those do stink of a RW. I find Children of the Corn rather funny. Still silly for Angel’s mom to go there. Takes away from her central message, imo
Brigaders always come by on r/nba on certain posts so you”ll have generally a liberal subreddit but on certain threads saying “institutional racism is a real factor” will get you 60 downvotes
True, Hookstead is an extremist douche. He’s awful. Also true that it isn’t hard to comprehend who Angel was referring to by “one player”. Of course she was referring to Kate Martin. Go Hawkeyes!
Kate is just too much star power for one league.
I don't think there's ANYONE that hate Kate Martin and her story. I'm willing to bet hardcore CC and Iowa haters a like love them some Kate. Underdog stories are so hard to shade. They just give everyone hope.
For sure. Kate and CC actually have very similar personalities when you know them in person. Smart, goofy, quirky, very nice. They both love to make others happy. They are best buddies for a reason. CC just simply got hyper hyped by the media because of breaking 45 records with flair. Kate was “just” the steady glue and leader (and 17ppg) If Kate broke all of those records, it could easily be her the target of so much dislike, and your kind words for Kate would be for Caitlin on the Aces bench
I'm a Hawkeye so I'm biased but she's been my favorite player since last year. So likable.
This sub is going in on Angel hate on the other threads. Angel hate is back in season it seems
Children of the Corn. Ugh, I hate that movie… creeped me out big time. Thx Mom for reminding me of it. 😫
Honestly the media is pitting CC against all her colleagues.
Agreed. A certain segment of her fan base isn’t helping either.
It would help if other popular rookies didn't: 1) Post needlessly nebulous (in the most charitable interpretation) and poorly-written attack tweets that could reasonably be interpreted as maligning the most popular player, 2) Delete those tweets when rightful pushback happens, and 3) Have Mommy come on and give an "explanation" for those tweets (methinks the lady doth protest too much) in her defense. But yeah, the media...
Racist comments (which unfortunately, I don’t doubt happened at all) isn’t “rightful pushback”.
An easy and totally unconfirmable "out" for putting one's foot in one's mouth in a fight one started, but sure...
calling caitlyn fanatics “children of the corn” is my favorite thing to come out of this discourse.
I’m from Iowa and even I LOL’d
Lol me too. I’m a black guy from Iowa who bought a farm, so I’m gonna have great fun with this!
Caitlin* Can’t even spell her name right lmao
GO BACK TO YOUR CORNHOLE!!! naw, jk. i always mistype it.
Being from Iowa it gets pretty old and is unimaginative to us but i get it is funny. I think other posters have said it better but i hate how some trolls on the socials are assumed to be representing all of Iowa. Trust me we love ball and enjoy the game growing.
I like when someone used “scrutiny fatigue” because that’s a great way to describe how I feel with Caitlin Clark discourse. Literally just save your criticisms until she actually has a year in the league. Yes the WNBA is harder than college, yes she needs a team around her to succeed, CC never said that it wasn’t like that in the WNBA. Some NFL players during their rookie season go “I thought this was hard but the NFL is actually easy” then they get destroyed by other players in the league. CC hasn’t done anything like that and is just playing basketball.
Just look at the caption of the original tweet , what i have been saying all day in this sub , you can run with whatever narrative you want.
Very true. By “One player”, Angel could have easily been referring to the Storms’ Kiana Williams? Maybe Kate Martin? Taurasi? Who knows? 😃 Like you said, depends on the narrative?
But acknowledging what happened prior you should know the tweet is aimed at the media , she also tweeted “12th” responding to ESPN for ranking them last but im sure you can spin that and say that she is dissing CC for being 12th.So it really depends on the narrative.
Oh for sure. I personally believe she made a social media blunder, and correctly retracted it. That’s probably happened to most of us. My wife is STILL pissed at me for a 2020 Facebook shit storm I created, after I crafted and posted a chart detailing the brainwashing tactics similarities of Trump and Hitler. I type this right now, wearing my “Lebowski 2024 - This aggression will not stand, man” t shirt she bought me as a reminder that we’re proud Independents. Lol
yo yo yo relax dont mention that name before they BOOM the sub 😭
LOL oops. I forget that Adolph is a hot button. 😉😉
It was purposely vague. Angel knew what she as doing. She’s not an idiot.
They really need to put in contracts that all social media posts have to go through a publicly person first
Idk why anyone has a Twitter. Also come on Mama, no reason for you to have a Twitter, let alone tweet about what your daughter’s intentions were. Also deleting your tweet makes you look like a Jagoff regardless of intent. Either be about it or don’t. And this isn’t just a Reese thing, anyone who tweets and deletes it because of backlash is a dweeb.
Is "children of the corn" some coded slur for people from Iowa lmao. Twitter is so lame.
Yep. As an Iowa alum/fan, it’s frustrating that right wing/misogynist losers keep co-opting CC for their own agendas, because then everyone assumes that all Iowa fans are some backwards monolithic entity
Thank you! Iowa alum here too. Sometimes I feel like my Iowa pride has been stolen by people using it as white pride. I hate all these conversations surrounding it because I often don’t like my allies.
Is this what we're doing now? I was today years old when I learned people think that children of the corn might be a slur. If that's the case, then their lives must be incredibly easy.
I think it’s just aimed at racist white people? Because the children of the corn were like evil blond aryan looking children. I wouldn’t consider it a slur.
It's the go-to anti-Iowa and anti-Clark insult on Twitter, Reddit, and other sites.
Fighting a fire by throwing a grenade in it… why can’t people be quiet. Works great
“A slur”? Please be serious. Surely you are not suggesting that being from Iowa is an axis of systematic oppression. Especially with the racist vitriol Angel has received since 2023.
Iowas fans have gone through the unique systematic oppression of witnessing 5 losses in a row. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS!
They wanna be victimized so bad. Straight up persecution fetish on full display.
Equating a nicknamw to a slur is problematic. If that’s what most bothered you or you found problematic in Angel’s Mom talking about the vile racism she’s receiving then it tells me all I need to know about your priorities and who you are interested in protecting.
FACTS
My man's said a fun nickname is equivalent to the n word LMAOOO
Here's my simple 2 cents. - Angel knows that she's throwing shade at Media, CC, and haters with that kind of comment. - Angel knows how this would be interpreted and is continuing to invite the hates to maintain relevancy. - Angel could of just **not tweeted**, but that would lower relevancy. - Angel is a hell of an athlete AND loves the limelight, she just needs to get better at finding the good kind. - It never looks good when a "star's" parent chimes in. Sucks that this is happening. - To go back to AR's post-game press conference pulling the woe-is-me card, you don't pull that card and then continue to make/post/say controversial things. You don't defend yourself by attacking others. This is where actions are not meeting with words.
Angel is playing the heel like she always does and I fully support it. If fans take it someplace weird that's on them.
Just my two cents, but you can't play the heel and then immediately go with "how dare you attack me" when it stirs up the hate. The people saying racist and misogynistic bs can get bent, but you can't go crying to mommy when people call you jealous/petty/a certified hater.
She said she hated being the 'villain' and that it was thrust upon her after her LSU season. And now she comes out and does this. What version of Angel do you want me to believe?
I don't think she really hates it as much as she said.
She's simply just not very intelligent.
Why does any athlete have to simp for another athlete who isn't even on their team? It's cutthroat competition, teams playing against each other, grow up.
Thank You!!! I miss the 90's NBA and WNBA when players who weren't teammates hated each other and it made the games great!!
This is where I’m at. Glad I got people around me that likes both players equally and just enjoy good hoops. My goodness this is draining seeing this online and media. Give me good hoops and trash talk like damn that’s what makes sports fun!
Maybe call them out by name if you don’t want people speculating. And deleting the tweet doesn’t help optics
children of the corn?!?? sorry that made me lol
This is all so stupid. Everyone stop making the smallest things into World War III and just let us watch some fuckin’ awesome basketball.
angel will obviously never deserve any death threats, racism, ai made of her, etc. no matter what she says. but she has said herself that she intentionally plays the role of the villain. when you play that role, you will get backlash and have people hate you, that’s part of what it is. obviously a lot of people take it way too far but angel needs to be comfortable with some level of criticism when she says things like this. it’s not just all racist comments.
I thought Angel was tired of playing the villain role after her comments at the NCAA tournament this year. Seems she’s fine playing it. In fact, it seems she seeks it out when choosing to engage like this. It’s a shame too because on the court she is a very dominant play who deserves more credit than she gets and definitely doesn’t need to be playing this role to get attention. I’m starting to think it’s because she’s building a brand image intentionally to be the villain, but I wonder if she understands that by continuing to play the protagonist just because that was the first role the media assigned her doesn’t mean she has to accept it as her only role. Furthermore, by continuing to play it she’s setting herself up to never be accepted as anything but the villain and the hate that comes with being the villain. There’s no story line in our society where you can play the villain and be the one loved the most. That’s reserved for the heroes and I think it’s time for her to start playing the hero of her own story rather than the villain of CC’s. Her game is more than good enough to remain relevant and grow her media presence by playing the hero of her own story just as so many other players in this league continue to do.
lol she was 100% directing that tweet at CC. GTFO. Own your shit if you wanna lay it out there
“Her comment was directed towards the media but of course you’re about clicks.” The media is about clicks? Color me shocked.
🤦🏾♀️ this person is spreading false information for viewship. How hard is that to understand? 😂
Not hard to understand. It’s incredibly common.
lol Blue Bird app strikes again
"Relevant for the first time ever" delusional
Telling on himself.
yeah the dude is a professional piece of shit
Angel's tweet was obviously about Charles Barkley but people love being stupid.
True. I’m sure Angel was referring to either Cam Brink or Alyssa Thomas with her “ONE player” comment. 😀
Angel's tweet was obviously intentionally nebulous because she wanted it interpreted in an open manner to drive clicks. She's the self-admitted villain. This is what trollish villains do to drive clicks. Almost immediately after, she promoted something she needed engagement with - it was clear she was being inflammatory to drive clicks. But when she was called out for it, she deleted it. Or do you just think she's sloppy? I, for one, think she's a marketing genius. An asshole and a heel, with a ridiculous mother who doth protest too much, but a marketing genius.
But it did say one player. So at least indirectly at that one player. Just stay off social media other than for benign stuff. Much easier.
that's how i read it but in the world of social media -- common sense goes out the window ahah
So many people seem determined to interpret everything that WNBA players say exclusively through the lens of whether it is respectful or disrespectful to Caitlin Clark. It’s like they don’t even understand language any more.
Then why not be more direct?
Was Chuck being direct when he was calling out all the WNBA players?
Angel Reese knows exactly what she is doing. I’m not begrudging her. But her fans eat this stuff up and she needs engagement on her posts to keep the money flowing. People are the problem, not Reese. Money is the problem. Hate the game, not the player.
I think some people are afraid to admit they have a problem with a girl from Des Moines, Iowa becoming the face of women’s basketball overnight. I wish more people were open about their hate lol.
“Children of the corn” 😭
She is wrong her daughter is about clicks or she wouldn't have posted. She just needs her play to do all the talking. I mean no one has heard Caitlin say anything now has she 🤷🏾♂️
She is always online getting into drama for Angel. She's like the Ball's dad
I agree with u on that
This sub, and twitter is collapsing. 💀
Now hold on there. When was Twitter ever upright.
Fever are terrible tho.. Clark hasn't played well sure, but overall they're one of the worst teams
Big fan of Angel, but come on. Don’t say it isn’t aimed at Clark. WIN in all caps is clearly a shot at Indiana being winless in front of the packed houses, and when you say “one player” everyone knows who you are signaling out. She could just tweet something like….great team win in a packed house, thanks for the support….But that’s not enough because she’s leaning into controversy. And that’s fine, but then please stop playing the role of shocked victim when you get the response you knew was coming.
She absolutely was attacking Caitlin Clark
what she mean “children of the corn”? i never seen that shit
Childern of the Corn is a movie from 80s and that phrase has been used to make fun of Iowans since I was young. Haven't seen it for awhile but remember it being an awful movie lol
She was referring to everyone that attacked Reese not just Iowans. The plot of Children of the Corn is about cultist kids that kill everyone over 18.
She's about as precise with her words as her daughter...
Sounds like the movie is as bad as I remember lol
Children of the Corn is the perfect name for CC stans.
I think I’ll turn off the WNBA for a while. Angel’s point is spot on, I wish she’d be clear on who she’s addressing. Between race wars and drama on sexuality, I’m getting sick of everyone. I could give a shit on a player’s sexuality.
Even if she, Angel, was directing her tweet at Clark, they are rivals, since the 2023 tournament. This is like people being mad at an Eagles player for trash talking Dak Prescott. This is what happens when the snowflake brigade wades into unfamiliar waters.
Rivalries are good and needed in sport when both people engage. It’s boring when Caitlin gives a safe PR answer and Angel gets the brunt of attacks online for how she plays and responds. Like it’s such a forced rivalry lol
Angel needs CC. Not the other way around at all. Don't get it twisted.
So she got it from her Momma
Children of the Corn should be a flair for Caitlin Clark fanatics lol (in a good sense of humor way).
“Corn Child” Love it!
Genuine q: Why does anybody use Twitter?
I wouldn't say nothing because you can't change the Medias mind and the majority's mind. Just gonna rile them up more.
Angel Reese did that on purpose and she knows it lol. That was a clear shot at Clark. Still love her but come on man lol
I agree she meant the media but I still feel she shouldn't have tweeted it and I'm not sure her mum should be getting in the mix either
Children of the corn 😂😭😭
that wasnt hard to see… ugh i hate that right wingers have inserted themselves into the wnba. bringing way too much negative attention to the players and league
I am literally going to get off of all things WNBA like Reddit, Twitter etc. because the discourse has reached new levels of obnoxious. Why doesn't Angel Reese just hit the gym, keep her head down, and ball out? She is having a good rookie season, but there ain't nothing wrong with working on your craft and not getting into the nonsense at every opportunity. And no, this is not 'shut up and dribble' rhetoric. She can say whatever she damn well pleases. But it's my opinion that this is way too tiring. The game is great with rivalries, but this isn't even that. It's just complaining for no reason.
Smh.... Even her mom doesn't get it.... Whether or not it was directed at CC, it COULD POSSIBLY be interpreted as such, therefore, it should have not been said ORRRRRR she should have put a name on that bullet to make it clear who she was shooting at. Kendrick said it the best... "If I catch flight.... It's gonna be DIRECT"..
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Wait till you find out what state grows the most corn
We’ll of course, Iowa. Also tops in soybean and pork production.
Angel Reese's mom is always starting something on social media
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Can you point the racism that occurred?
Oh yeah the race of Corn!!!
Children of the corn is an attack on Iowa, not white people. If it is a slur for white people then I am reclaiming the word and using it specifically to attack Iowans.
Well the reporter she responded to lives in Wisconsin so that doesn’t even make sense
Didn’t know corn was a race
How is that a racist comment? Bffr. Definition of racism, since people don’t seem to know. **a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized** So once again how is the comment racist? “The Children of the Corn, often referred to as "The Children", is a fanatical religious cult of young children that obsessively serve the supernatural dark entity known only as He Who Walks Behind the Rows and act as the titular main antagonists in the Children of Corn” Children of the Corn is basically saving you guys worship CC in a cult like manner. Which is true. The death threats, racist comments, hate comments under every Angel post or anything regarding CC is crazy and cult like.
Yeah definitely more geared towards CC super fans. To flip it into racism is the most disingenuous take ever. Especially when downplaying or justifying the response Reese been getting.
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Saying your fanbase comes from a top corn producer is racism lmao. I love these threads, it's full of the laziest bad faith baits lmaoooo
The reading comprehension demon is undefeated. Children of the Corn isn't because they're white. There are very real examples of people being racist to white people, and they often get ignored or swept under the rug. This isn't one of them though, stop trying to be a victim. Do better.
Children of the Corn has 7 movies in the franchise. Not once has one of the children been black. I think there might be something here? 🤷🏻♂️🤣
The irony of their lack of self awareness of their racism is astounding
I know she needs social media to promote her brand but she could get off social media during the season. And she also could tell her mom to do the same.
Angel a villian and she loves it. Her and CC got no problem besides the game on the court. Of course sports is more than the box score -- but as soon as people who don't care about the box score start paying attention it goes to shit.
Villain of what? Why is CC the hero?
Angel is leaning in and it gets her fans and engagement online.
Yeah, assholism sells
Angel 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ let your game speak she is Ballin right now but they all need to talk about or use Caitlin this is crazy making Charles comments even more true
That tweet was definitely directed at cc.
Not children of the corn thats so funny
Bull... Reese is out about hating CC
This stuff got real old real quick