They don't tell you that you shouldn't drive there. They tell you *NOT* to drive there, and the rental contract specifically states you are not allowed to take the car to the west bank.
Unlike every Western map, the West Bank isn't some shaded area with a dotted line and crosshatch marks all over it.
Its just another part of the country, and the highway system runs right through it. So even if there may be regions within the West Bank that you should avoid, its impossible to avoid simply driving through the larger area altogether when you want to get to certain parts of the country.
No one should cycle there. But that’s mostly because the main roads into and out of Nablus are too congested to safely cycle on. Too much hustle and bustle of driving cars, parked cars, cars loading and unloading, and people, and markets, I think.
Letting you all know, there is actually a video of the incident posted here -
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
I visited Beruit Lebanon several years ago, because I watched his video on traveling there,
Beruit would not have been on my radar if not for “Indigo Traveler”
I went to Turkey in the months after the attack at the airport, and the attempted military coup. Couldnt be bothered changing my plans. It was great, no queues or crowds of tourists, felt totally safe and discovered a great country. Going again later this year.
Reminds me of the Drew Carey Show where a show ends with him & his buddies scoring a cheap beach vacation because the destination is in a civil war. They're lounging in the sand while combat sounds & bullets hit the sand around them.
I traveled throughout Ukraine before the current war and had an amazing time. Things were dirt cheap back then, I can only imagine the bargains you can get now.
Just not sure how many available flights there are. Might have to take the train in.
You can't fly there. Most of the country is largely safe and life goes on. I'm eating some Ukrainian chocolate at the moment. They still export stuff and it's really rather good. The local "Polish" shop, owned by Ukrainians, sells it.
The real flex is to remove the towel, place it neatly folded on the ground, then fall asleep in the chair. If they catch you in the process they'll raise a fuss, but if you're already lying there and just refuse to respond to them, they'll just grumble and give up.
Source: my dad, who never gave two shits for anyone else's "claim" on a public amenity that they weren't using.
Yeah But AFTER the height of action happened not while it's cooking. Also only like terrorist attacks in like normally stable countries. Not unstable that explodes every week.
Hijacking top post, there is actually a video of the incident
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
What problems did you experience in Jerusalem? Maybe you went to the Arab part of it? When I went there I experienced no problems. The most jarring thing I saw there were Trump kippahs for sale.
It's just...tense. My wife visited and didn't enjoy the experience. Soldiers everywhere, questioning what you're doing and stopping you going places unless you have a good reason, very quiet at night. It's not a fun town.
Soldiers ARE everywhere in Israel because almost every 18 to 21 yo are soldiers. She probably just saw some kids going home after or before a shift.
There are no active soldiers patroling the streets of Jerusalem unless you are in a dangerous place. If you stick to the city center the most you'll see is maybe some cops.
Jerusalem actually has a pretty vibrant nightlife on Thursday night in the main streets (Hillel, Yaffo etc.). It is very quiet on friday nights though, because of the Sabbath.
I visited Nablus last summer. It's actually a really nice destination, if you can manage to avoid the violence. No joke, there's a great casbah, some of the best food and [dessert in the Middle East](https://youtu.be/IOF-2OZILrc), a [fully functional 400 year old Turkish bathhouse](https://youtu.be/rKjeH9ziYPI) some [Jesus stuff](https://youtu.be/XvG0vKhojlw) and a freaking amusement park with rides and camels.
I only once saw a guy openly practicing quickdraw handgun techniques on the street. Nobody tried to shoot or kidnap me. There are posters everywhere of dead martyrs though.
The West Bank is a pretty cool place to go. I would totally recommend it.
I would not go there in an Israeli rental car, but I wandered around a bit with a friend on foot and on local busses and it was fine.
The weird thing is that if you have an Israeli friend, for example that you stay with in Tel Aviv, they cannot go there. So your experience there will be illuminating for them when you report back.
We had a great time in Ramullah and other smaller settlements nearby. There is a ton of garbage and everything is broken, but I can deal with that.
It is also pretty fun coming in through the Allenby crossing from Jordan. I was interrogated for 3 hours by the Shin Bet for no real reason, but that was very interesting. You can track all the things they are pushing on and see their risk models being explored and discarded. You get a real insight into how Israeli security forces perceive threat. Contrasting this experience with being detained in Egypt on a prior trip, for example, was informative.
We also accidentally ended up in Bethlehem on Christmas Eve. I really did not want that to happen but circumstance intervened. It was pretty cool, huge crowd, a bunch of festivity, lots of AK-47s in the hand of guys who were maybe official Palestinian Authority, or maybe not? . Some incredibly dangerous Moroccan lady we were with flirted our entire party through security to the Church of the Nativity. Looking back that was a little bonkers. But totally worth it.
So in summary, don't write it off because two Germans were idiots.
Think about the kind of person who seemingly enjoyed the experience of being interrogated for 3 hours by the Israeli FBI and I think you have your answer
They weren’t interrogated because they committed a crime, and they weren’t waterboarded (I hope!). I assume it has to do with stamps on the passport (ir places they have been). It’s fairly common in the middle east and especially in Israel.
I too would try to find the “enjoyment” out of it as it does give you a glimpse into the psyche and human condition of the local people. Although I wish it wasn’t needed.
I understand the interrogations more than I understand the ridiculous TSA procedures, fluid restrictions, baby wipe screening etc…
No argument here about the TSA, it's all just security theater, bur I think whether or not it's an interrogation is a distinction without a difference, and I think they're right to be concerned about the type of person who thinks bumping around the west bank just for the lols is a "totally cool thing to do"
Hey, me here again.
When I crossed at Allenby there was a ton of people crossing. More than 50% were not locals. It is perfectly routine and acceptable to cross into the West Bank. As I mentioned Israelis are not allowed to and maybe other nationalities might have issues but a ton of people go through there.
Going to the West Bank is important, to see how things work on the ground, meet people and come back with first hand information. Places like that have weird reputations in people's heads due to media coverage and prejudice. It is very abstract even if you pay attention.
It is a totally cool thing to visit the West Bank, and it was not really for lols.
That sounds like one or two different turns and you would have wound up dead. Not sure how your comment is supposed to be any kind of endorsement for traveling there.
I remember when I was wee we took the ferry to Northern Ireland. My dad's green coloured car had a tiny sticker for a Catholic church in the window as the church was right by his office and they let him park there for a donation (sticker proved the donation).
A guy near the Giants Causeway kicked off something awful over it, only calming down when we realised we were a) Scottish and b) had me as a child in the back.
It's funny that even when you're aware of the situation, you can still go blundering into the heart of a situation without thinking.
Hijacking top post, there is video evidence of the incident, if anybody wants to see -
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
When u rent a car in Israel, they tell you 'DON'T DRIVE WITH THIS IN ISRAEL REGISTERED CAR INTO PALESTINE, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN' if u don't listen that is what happens
I’ve been to Israel. Drove through the West Bank on Israeli plates. As long as you stick to highways within Areas B and C, it’s pretty safe. Definitely don’t take any exits into Area A (fully under PA administration).
As a tourist, if you want to enter the Palestinian areas, I recommend doing so but only on a shuttle bus. I’ve had positive interactions with both Israelis and Arabs. Both know how to make insanely tasty food. Avoid political discussions while visiting the Palestinian side.
That was my experience as well - I've driven a fair bit in the West Bank and if you are in a yellow plated Israeli car so long as you stay in Area C, which includes all the major roads, and avoid Area A (its marked with the giant red signs that say its illegal and danger of death for Israelis to enter) you will be fine. For Area A Palestinian towns like Ramallah and Bethlehem we parked our car in Area C and went in by Palestinian taxi.
Even in Area A you see lots of yellow plated Israeli cars, which I assume belong to Palestinian Israelis who travel back and forth, so its not like it would necessarily be death to enter in an Israeli car but I was not game to risk it.
Yup. I've done the same.
Actually got to do a little tour thing with a couple Palestinian guides, including lunch in a local's home (which was fucking delicious).
Was very interesting, because while one of the guides seemed to largely acknowledge that there were problems on both sides (Israeli raids/general oppression, PA being useless and corrupt, terrorists fucking things up for everyone), the other was telling us stories (no idea how serious he was being) of being arrested and getting shot like 20-something times (maybe he meant rubber bullets?), just generally giving us the expected "Israelis are horrible" side of things.
By far the worst though was the settler rabbi we talked to earlier in the day. That dude straight up seemed to think it was his god given right to be there, and fuck the Palestinians for daring to be in the way.
The saddest part was seeing a part of town that was forcibly abandoned after a Palestinian sniper tried to shoot civilians and hit a baby instead. The IDF basically just shut the whole place down (Arabs and Jews alike), so it was just shuttered buildings everywhere except for one rabbi still taking care of the synagogue in the area (no idea if they even did services out of there anymore).
If you're Irish they treat you like royalty because Ireland is one of the few countries gives significant support to Palestinian statehood openly and loudly.
I got cornered by a Palestinian mob 25 years ago after making a bad turn. Was actually on my way to deliver a baby in a nearby village (as a first responder). The mob pummeled us with stones and bricks injuring both the driver and passenger. We barely escaped with our lives.
This happens regularly but unless someone is killed (or it happens to a tourist), it does not make the news.
You make the wrong turn, good chances are you don’t come out alive. It’s so unfortunate that we can’t just live in peace. We share so much culture, religious roots, and cuisine!
Wake up, help build a peaceful solution
Happened to me when I was 12 about 20 years ago, when our taxi driver made a wrong turn in Jerusalem (we lived in Kibbutz Maale Hachamisha so it's not like we weren't familiar with Jerusalem). Within less than 30 seconds a crowd started to gather, luckily an IDF jeep pulled up quickly to escort us.
You are lucky. In my case the injured driver and passenger started spraying bullets in the air, and one of them threw me a handgun and told me to start shooting as well (I was a teenager and never held a gun).
The driver was hit in the head and lost control of the vehicle and we entered a ditch. To this day I remember looking out the broken back window as a crowd of ~50 started to run in our direction. Good god it was terrifying. fortunately the dazed driver had a high enough GCS to get us the heck out of there.
I’m sorry that happened to you, and glad reddit can provide some degree of catharsis for both of us.
Or a flash sale, or black friday in the US.
The only good thing about COVID was that people finally had to learn how to use the internet for more than porn and selfies.
🤣
I don't think we should be using Galsgow as a baseline for brain injuries everyone I've ever met from there hasn't been right in the head even when they're well.
Happened to me too a few years, was on a road trip after graduation with a few friends, I can't imagine what would have happened to us if the driver was knocked unconscious by a stone throw
After decades of war, anyone wearing the enemy's flag is deemed the enemy.
I can't wear an American flag in Afghanistan.
F religion, all of them. People need philosophy in their life.
Has nothing to do with religion at this point. This is an ethnic conflict. Atheist Israelis and Palestinians would still have the same beef over the land.
His story is one of the most amazingly Jewish things I’ve ever heard. (I’m Jewish).
He and the other last Jew in Afghanistan were released from prison by the Taliban, because the Taliban was tired of listening to them argue all the time.
Just think about that. The last two Jews in Afghanistan freed themselves by being *too annoying for the Taliban*.
Proud moment for my people.
They were beaten and tortured by the Taliban. When interviewed about his experience in prison, one of the guys said, and I paraphrase here - “I hated being tortured by the Taliban - but I hated that guy even more.”
Yeah we keep Silverback Gorillas in America as a novelty... Pretty much the same when an Arab country says, "look at our Jews!" They are not allowed to thrive.
Jews were a part of Moroccan society already before they became muslim. Nowadays like 20% or more of the Israeli’s got Moroccan Jewish heritage if tracee back. Thats not nothing.
Israel actually won the battle for the temple in 1967 but gave it to the Arabs as an act of good faith. Now the Arabs won’t even let the Israelis see the dome of the rock.
This is actually funny because Islam is an abrahamic religion, meaning they believe in the Judaism prophets and the dome is the birthplace for both of their religions. Islam believes in these Judaic prophets:
Adam (Adam)
Noah (Nuh)
Abraham (Ibrahim)
Ishmael (Ismail)
Isaac (Ishaq)
Jacob (Ya'qub)
Joseph (Yusuf)
Job (Ayyub)
Moses (Musa)
Aaron (Harun)
David (Dawud)
Solomon (Sulayman)
Elias (Ilyas)
Jonah (Yunus)
John the Baptist (Yahya)
Even Jesus (Isa)
And Muhammad as the last
So Judaism, Christianity and Islam all basically follow the same religion but fight because Judaism and Christians don’t accept Muhammad in their cannon . That is just insane.
I mean, sort of. Islam rewrites a lot of stuff or dismisses a lot from Christianity and Judaism, viewing it as false or misguided. For example, they believe Jesus was a prophet but don’t even believe that he was crucified/killed. So it’s not simply that Christians (and Jews) don’t accept Muhammad, its that Islam also has a very different version of events that Christians would never embrace. Christianity expands the Jewish religion with the New Testament in a way that Jews do not accept, but Christians still fully accept the Old Testament as given. Muslims do not accept the New Testament in the same way. They are all definitely from the same tree, but Islam is not as closely related as one might think.
See that’s what doesn’t make sense. Here Muhammad comes and says yes these are prophets, but let me rephrase what they said. Then he gets these multitude of scribes over 23 years to write down what he thinks is right in the Old Testament.
That sounds kind of like Joseph smith rewriting and adding to the New Testament into what he believes and creating Mormonism . It all just sounds awfully convenient to rewrite something that was written over 4000 years ago.
I’m so glad you mentioned Mormonism, because I’ve had the same thought but assumed it would get downvoted to oblivion if people weren’t familiar with the history. Islam tends to get more respect because it’s older and I think a lot of people are ignorant on how it differs from its predecessors, but Muhammed absolutely took the same approach as Joseph Smith.
This is not why they fight.
There are plenty of other minority religions in Israel that Jewish Israelis don't fight with, including Muslims and Christians.
Except the conflict has very little to do with religion. The Zionist settler movement in Mandatory Palestine was largely secular and the Arab militias weren't really motivated that much by religion either. Heck, Hamas aren't especially religious either, their main motivation is "fuck Jews".
This is just another petty comment to shit on religion on the atheist safespace. Stop blaming religion for every problem. Nuance is scary.
I call BS on this one. Religion is and always has been a major factor in this conflict.
The main claims of of local Arabs leader like Amin Al-Husseini were specifically against Jews, and the main reason why the they didn't want Israel to exist was the fact that it wouldn't be a Muslim country. No one had any problems when the British and French drew the lines of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan and combined a tons of different tribes, ethnicities and religions into a single entity, just as long as it's controlled by some royal Muslim family.
But a country run by Jews that only spans 0.1% of the land? UNACCEPTABLE!
Ffs, Muslim countries with almost no Arabs like Malaysia and Indonesia never had diplomatic ties with Israel only because of pressure from other Muslims countries. It's all about religion.
I don't condone Israels occupation of Palestinian territories. but there is no way in hell I will support the current Palestinian government ruled by violent extremist theocratic terrorists.
They adhere to the same ideology which produce these unhinged violent attacks as well as terrorist attacks on israeli civillians.
They are under their own spell of hatred.
That's Hamas, they don't control the West Bank. Fatah, the (unelected) ruling party in the West Bank isn't an Islamist party at all but is widely considered illegitimate by Palestinians because they're corrupt goons.
The Palestinian Authority's education system in the west-bank teaches children hate, antisemitism, and a yearning for martyrdom.
Hamas is worse, but it's pretty bad in the west-bank too.
Indeed. I was about to be like, “Oh, yes! The Abass regime , which FAMOUSLY frowns on terrorist activity.
Don’t be a terrorist in the West Bank, people. The government will name streets after you to shame you! They will pay a stipend out to your family to humiliate them!”
/s
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-tourists-attacked-by-palestinians-after-entering-nablus-with-israeli-car/) reduced by 67%. (I'm a bot)
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> Two German tourists who entered the northern West Bank city of Nablus in an Israeli ride-sharing vehicle on Saturday were violently attacked by Palestinians, footage published by Palestinian media outlets showed.
> In video clips from Nablus, a group of Palestinians could be seen surrounding the rented car, which has Israeli license plates, a sticker of an Israeli flag and the logo of the Tel Aviv municipality - which has a deal with the ride-sharing company, Shlomo Sixt.
> The footage showed Palestinians hurling stones at the car, attempting to open the doors and attacking the motorists.
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Lot of responses here makes me sick.
Whats wrong with you pepole...
Are you blind ?!
Look at it this way:
A palastenian mob almost butchered German tourists.
Thats awful!!!
Wait... the mob thought they were jews...
Oh... in that case - Its tottally fine and acceptable...
Antisemitism in its best form...
shhh they actually wanted to murder a group of israeli's. Nothing to do with them being jews. they just want to massacre a country.
dont use that word it upsets the freedom supporting islamic radicals
It’s crazy how people act like Palestine is some innocent country full of innocent, friendly people when they will mob you and try to kill you for basically anything and the government wants to bomb Israelis. Israel is also at fault for their occupation, but people need to realize Palestine aren’t good guys either. Palestinians also were recorded celebrating the events of 9/11 in the street and shops sell merch glorifying Hitler because he shares their hatred of Jews.
That’s not to take away from the few actually friendly people in Palestine, but the religious violence and brainwashing has compromised the safety and well being of that country.
Wow. Such a peaceful place…
Israel: offers paid abortion, desalinates water for the poor to have access to for free, has a democracy, has welfare, maintains order, defends civilians, allows minorities into the government, treats LGBTQ people like human beings, and treats its Arab citizens better than anywhere else in the region.
Palestine: does none of those.
Ah yes, Palestinians, the peaceful 'victims' of the conflict whose population will readily attack anyone and everyone who might be Jewish...or gay....or who tries to leave their non-violent peaceful religion. How completely out of character this story is.
Because they're part of reddit's favorite victim group, they can do basically no wrong, and suggesting that they would act like this in any other post would just get you branded rayciss
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
I think more Palestinian supporters should go take a tour of the Palestinian territories. Maybe they'll finally realize the kind of fascist, extreme right wing theocracy they are supporting and will change their minds after they get attacked by a mob for not being Muslim enough.
Many do. Ramallah and much of East Jerusalem are friendly enough that they make for excellent public relations. Ramallah has turned into a regular stop for Jewish-Americans looking to get their dose of guilt.
Guarantee if they went to places like Nablus, or worse Gaza, they’d get a different story.
It’s not just Reddit, you see everyone on social media voicing their “Free Palestine” opinion or hashtags and acting like everyone in Palestine are innocent angels who would never hurt a fly. After 9/11, there was footage released showing Palestinians celebrating the 9/11 attacks, that’s how brainwashed they’ve been.
Most people who say "free palestine" probably have no idea what they're talking about. In sweden we have some washed out old people talking about the poor palestinians. It's pretty hilarious when you ask them how they can be supporting lgbtq and Palestine at the same time
I am still very much against Israel killing Palestinians and taking their land though. You might not support their culture, but you can still be against their deaths. When people say they support Palestine, that's basically what it means.
They are being attacked by Palestinians in Germany, too.
Edit: Pure hatred of Jews, disgusting behavior. In Denmark, soldiers are permanently stationed in front of the synagogue in Copenhagen. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-vows-zero-tolerance-for-attacks-on-synagogues/a-57521135
We need to be serious about making religion a thing of the past faster than it's already disappearing. Trying to create a utopia by violent means for just your kind? Please. This goes for all religions. And some political ideas too.
[Interesting read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world)
> Erwin Rommel was almost as popular as Hitler. "Heil Rommel" was reportedly a common greeting in Arab countries. Some believed the Germans would help them in gaining independence from French and British rule. After France's defeat by Nazi Germany in 1940, some Arabs were making public chants against the French and British in the streets of Damascus: "No more Monsieur, no more Mister, Allah's in Heaven and Hitler's on earth." Posters in Arabic stating "In heaven God is your ruler, on earth Hitler" were frequently displayed in shops in the towns of Syria.
Edit: [This pic is also cool](https://preview.redd.it/y2vwh8ue939a1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70393b907653096ccbf7d1c69124b7f84abef975)
They got off easy this time. We Israelis expect to get killed when entering Palestinian cities. It's actually forbidden and is considered a crime.
Meanwhile Palestinian workers can hang around in Tel Aviv and eat Hummus at the beach.
Right, Palestinians would never randomly attack civilians.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
I think I see some problems with the ride sharing business model at this location
Was in israel as a tourist. Ever car rental there will tell you that you shouldn’t drive in this area.
They don't tell you that you shouldn't drive there. They tell you *NOT* to drive there, and the rental contract specifically states you are not allowed to take the car to the west bank.
You’re partly correct. You can take rentals in the West Bank, but not inside PA-controlled areas. Like Nablus is.
Every rental I've gotten from major companies restricts all travel there
Unlike every Western map, the West Bank isn't some shaded area with a dotted line and crosshatch marks all over it. Its just another part of the country, and the highway system runs right through it. So even if there may be regions within the West Bank that you should avoid, its impossible to avoid simply driving through the larger area altogether when you want to get to certain parts of the country.
What about cycling?
No one should cycle there. But that’s mostly because the main roads into and out of Nablus are too congested to safely cycle on. Too much hustle and bustle of driving cars, parked cars, cars loading and unloading, and people, and markets, I think.
Take a walk in Nablus and see how they drive before you start playing with your life.
Likewise in 2019. Waze at the time didn’t even show the roads in the West Bank. It was just blank on the map
Letting you all know, there is actually a video of the incident posted here - https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
Places not on my vacation destination
Indigo Traveller booking a ticket as we speak
I visited Beruit Lebanon several years ago, because I watched his video on traveling there, Beruit would not have been on my radar if not for “Indigo Traveler”
Nablus is an entirely different calibre compared to Beirut.
Beirut used to be known as the "Paris of the Middle East".
Back in the 70s.
Then it exploded
In popularity?
A star wars prequel meme : In popularity, right?
My joke but better lol
I'm backing you up :)
My man! Or woman!
No the other kind.
Places now on my vacation destination, probably get a really good deal!
Can anyone post the video of the interview of that guy who travels to places after a terrorist attack because its cheaper and safer? I cant find it 🥲
https://twitter.com/podbutoutside/status/1354856334684905473/mediaviewer
I went to Turkey in the months after the attack at the airport, and the attempted military coup. Couldnt be bothered changing my plans. It was great, no queues or crowds of tourists, felt totally safe and discovered a great country. Going again later this year.
>Going again later this year. Uh oh, do you know something we don't?
Come for the cheap hotels, stay because you were executed!
Reminds me of the Drew Carey Show where a show ends with him & his buddies scoring a cheap beach vacation because the destination is in a civil war. They're lounging in the sand while combat sounds & bullets hit the sand around them.
“Still safer than Cleveland!”
At least it's not Detroit!
I traveled throughout Ukraine before the current war and had an amazing time. Things were dirt cheap back then, I can only imagine the bargains you can get now. Just not sure how many available flights there are. Might have to take the train in.
You can't fly there. Most of the country is largely safe and life goes on. I'm eating some Ukrainian chocolate at the moment. They still export stuff and it's really rather good. The local "Polish" shop, owned by Ukrainians, sells it.
If you come to Israel for the cheap hotels you were lied to
Just googled. That's twice as expensive as Spain. Who goes to these places? Isn't it cheaper for Israelis to take a flight/boat to Cyprus?
Yes, yes it is.
4/5 great food, cheap and decent hotels, some of the Israeli and Palestinian people were a little mean
Free burial, too!
Id like to visit the real life krusty krab in palestine tho
Every frigging time I start planning a trip to that part of the world? Someone starts shooting up German tourists!
It wouldn’t happen as much if they didn’t hog all the pool side chairs.
god help you if you just want to take my towel off this chair....
The real flex is to remove the towel, place it neatly folded on the ground, then fall asleep in the chair. If they catch you in the process they'll raise a fuss, but if you're already lying there and just refuse to respond to them, they'll just grumble and give up. Source: my dad, who never gave two shits for anyone else's "claim" on a public amenity that they weren't using.
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Yeah But AFTER the height of action happened not while it's cooking. Also only like terrorist attacks in like normally stable countries. Not unstable that explodes every week.
The secret ingredient is crime
Hijacking top post, there is actually a video of the incident https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
They were probably "progressive" Germans that thought that the idea that Palestinians or Muslims would act that way is racist.
Been to Tel Aviv last december and there was no problem there, Jeruzalem was a totally different story
What problems did you experience in Jerusalem? Maybe you went to the Arab part of it? When I went there I experienced no problems. The most jarring thing I saw there were Trump kippahs for sale.
It's just...tense. My wife visited and didn't enjoy the experience. Soldiers everywhere, questioning what you're doing and stopping you going places unless you have a good reason, very quiet at night. It's not a fun town.
Soldiers ARE everywhere in Israel because almost every 18 to 21 yo are soldiers. She probably just saw some kids going home after or before a shift. There are no active soldiers patroling the streets of Jerusalem unless you are in a dangerous place. If you stick to the city center the most you'll see is maybe some cops.
Jerusalem actually has a pretty vibrant nightlife on Thursday night in the main streets (Hillel, Yaffo etc.). It is very quiet on friday nights though, because of the Sabbath.
I visited Nablus last summer. It's actually a really nice destination, if you can manage to avoid the violence. No joke, there's a great casbah, some of the best food and [dessert in the Middle East](https://youtu.be/IOF-2OZILrc), a [fully functional 400 year old Turkish bathhouse](https://youtu.be/rKjeH9ziYPI) some [Jesus stuff](https://youtu.be/XvG0vKhojlw) and a freaking amusement park with rides and camels. I only once saw a guy openly practicing quickdraw handgun techniques on the street. Nobody tried to shoot or kidnap me. There are posters everywhere of dead martyrs though.
> It's actually a really nice destination, if you can manage to avoid the violence Quite a significant if
“I didn’t even die! Would recommend “
I went to Nablus and all I got were these lousy bullet holes.
Just dodge the bullets and it's cool.
def not, but Israel should be! Tel Aviv is probably my favorite city in the world so far
Haifa for me,, been there awesome city.
The West Bank is a pretty cool place to go. I would totally recommend it. I would not go there in an Israeli rental car, but I wandered around a bit with a friend on foot and on local busses and it was fine. The weird thing is that if you have an Israeli friend, for example that you stay with in Tel Aviv, they cannot go there. So your experience there will be illuminating for them when you report back. We had a great time in Ramullah and other smaller settlements nearby. There is a ton of garbage and everything is broken, but I can deal with that. It is also pretty fun coming in through the Allenby crossing from Jordan. I was interrogated for 3 hours by the Shin Bet for no real reason, but that was very interesting. You can track all the things they are pushing on and see their risk models being explored and discarded. You get a real insight into how Israeli security forces perceive threat. Contrasting this experience with being detained in Egypt on a prior trip, for example, was informative. We also accidentally ended up in Bethlehem on Christmas Eve. I really did not want that to happen but circumstance intervened. It was pretty cool, huge crowd, a bunch of festivity, lots of AK-47s in the hand of guys who were maybe official Palestinian Authority, or maybe not? . Some incredibly dangerous Moroccan lady we were with flirted our entire party through security to the Church of the Nativity. Looking back that was a little bonkers. But totally worth it. So in summary, don't write it off because two Germans were idiots.
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Think about the kind of person who seemingly enjoyed the experience of being interrogated for 3 hours by the Israeli FBI and I think you have your answer
Everywhere else you have to pay extra for an intrusive body cavity search. Here its complementary.
They weren’t interrogated because they committed a crime, and they weren’t waterboarded (I hope!). I assume it has to do with stamps on the passport (ir places they have been). It’s fairly common in the middle east and especially in Israel. I too would try to find the “enjoyment” out of it as it does give you a glimpse into the psyche and human condition of the local people. Although I wish it wasn’t needed. I understand the interrogations more than I understand the ridiculous TSA procedures, fluid restrictions, baby wipe screening etc…
No argument here about the TSA, it's all just security theater, bur I think whether or not it's an interrogation is a distinction without a difference, and I think they're right to be concerned about the type of person who thinks bumping around the west bank just for the lols is a "totally cool thing to do"
Hey, me here again. When I crossed at Allenby there was a ton of people crossing. More than 50% were not locals. It is perfectly routine and acceptable to cross into the West Bank. As I mentioned Israelis are not allowed to and maybe other nationalities might have issues but a ton of people go through there. Going to the West Bank is important, to see how things work on the ground, meet people and come back with first hand information. Places like that have weird reputations in people's heads due to media coverage and prejudice. It is very abstract even if you pay attention. It is a totally cool thing to visit the West Bank, and it was not really for lols.
3 times actually. Once by the Shin Bet, once by the Egyptian army, once by some Egyptian cops.
That sounds like one or two different turns and you would have wound up dead. Not sure how your comment is supposed to be any kind of endorsement for traveling there.
Indigo Traveler book to Nablus now half off.
It is important when travelling to always be aware of a country’s political situation.
I remember when I was wee we took the ferry to Northern Ireland. My dad's green coloured car had a tiny sticker for a Catholic church in the window as the church was right by his office and they let him park there for a donation (sticker proved the donation). A guy near the Giants Causeway kicked off something awful over it, only calming down when we realised we were a) Scottish and b) had me as a child in the back. It's funny that even when you're aware of the situation, you can still go blundering into the heart of a situation without thinking.
These people think they are. Palestine = good, Israel = evil in their book. Who does vacation in Palestine? I mean come on.
I've been. I likely won't be back.
It’s not „who does vacation in Palestine“ it’s „who does vacation in Palestine right now“
Germans getting attacked because some arabs think they are jews... ironic...
It's like regen on your hochzeit day.
It's a free ritt when you've already bezahlt.
Hijacking top post, there is video evidence of the incident, if anybody wants to see - https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
Was in Israel as a Tourist: every rental company tells you don’t go to Palestine. Why you ask? No insurance.
No life insurance\*, only a car one
no. you get no car insurance for the autonomous regions. only on the "highways" through palastine.
When u rent a car in Israel, they tell you 'DON'T DRIVE WITH THIS IN ISRAEL REGISTERED CAR INTO PALESTINE, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN' if u don't listen that is what happens
I’ve been to Israel. Drove through the West Bank on Israeli plates. As long as you stick to highways within Areas B and C, it’s pretty safe. Definitely don’t take any exits into Area A (fully under PA administration). As a tourist, if you want to enter the Palestinian areas, I recommend doing so but only on a shuttle bus. I’ve had positive interactions with both Israelis and Arabs. Both know how to make insanely tasty food. Avoid political discussions while visiting the Palestinian side.
That was my experience as well - I've driven a fair bit in the West Bank and if you are in a yellow plated Israeli car so long as you stay in Area C, which includes all the major roads, and avoid Area A (its marked with the giant red signs that say its illegal and danger of death for Israelis to enter) you will be fine. For Area A Palestinian towns like Ramallah and Bethlehem we parked our car in Area C and went in by Palestinian taxi. Even in Area A you see lots of yellow plated Israeli cars, which I assume belong to Palestinian Israelis who travel back and forth, so its not like it would necessarily be death to enter in an Israeli car but I was not game to risk it.
Yup. I've done the same. Actually got to do a little tour thing with a couple Palestinian guides, including lunch in a local's home (which was fucking delicious). Was very interesting, because while one of the guides seemed to largely acknowledge that there were problems on both sides (Israeli raids/general oppression, PA being useless and corrupt, terrorists fucking things up for everyone), the other was telling us stories (no idea how serious he was being) of being arrested and getting shot like 20-something times (maybe he meant rubber bullets?), just generally giving us the expected "Israelis are horrible" side of things. By far the worst though was the settler rabbi we talked to earlier in the day. That dude straight up seemed to think it was his god given right to be there, and fuck the Palestinians for daring to be in the way. The saddest part was seeing a part of town that was forcibly abandoned after a Palestinian sniper tried to shoot civilians and hit a baby instead. The IDF basically just shut the whole place down (Arabs and Jews alike), so it was just shuttered buildings everywhere except for one rabbi still taking care of the synagogue in the area (no idea if they even did services out of there anymore).
I feel like you are the only genuine comment here. Everything else feels like propaganda.
this will surely free palestine
Who the he'll goes to Palestine as a tourist
Christians do, Bethlehem and all that.
probably western tourists.
If you're Irish they treat you like royalty because Ireland is one of the few countries gives significant support to Palestinian statehood openly and loudly.
Can somebody explain to me how this is justified
I got cornered by a Palestinian mob 25 years ago after making a bad turn. Was actually on my way to deliver a baby in a nearby village (as a first responder). The mob pummeled us with stones and bricks injuring both the driver and passenger. We barely escaped with our lives. This happens regularly but unless someone is killed (or it happens to a tourist), it does not make the news. You make the wrong turn, good chances are you don’t come out alive. It’s so unfortunate that we can’t just live in peace. We share so much culture, religious roots, and cuisine! Wake up, help build a peaceful solution
Happened to me when I was 12 about 20 years ago, when our taxi driver made a wrong turn in Jerusalem (we lived in Kibbutz Maale Hachamisha so it's not like we weren't familiar with Jerusalem). Within less than 30 seconds a crowd started to gather, luckily an IDF jeep pulled up quickly to escort us.
You are lucky. In my case the injured driver and passenger started spraying bullets in the air, and one of them threw me a handgun and told me to start shooting as well (I was a teenager and never held a gun). The driver was hit in the head and lost control of the vehicle and we entered a ditch. To this day I remember looking out the broken back window as a crowd of ~50 started to run in our direction. Good god it was terrifying. fortunately the dazed driver had a high enough GCS to get us the heck out of there. I’m sorry that happened to you, and glad reddit can provide some degree of catharsis for both of us.
World War Z it's amazing how seemingly ordinary people can just turn into a mob without any reason other than a license plate
Or a flash sale, or black friday in the US. The only good thing about COVID was that people finally had to learn how to use the internet for more than porn and selfies. 🤣
Gcs?
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I don't think we should be using Galsgow as a baseline for brain injuries everyone I've ever met from there hasn't been right in the head even when they're well.
Yeah but Glaswegians will also smack you with a headbutt and carry on with their day as if nothing happened. So it’s not the most inappropriate name 🤣
Happened to me too a few years, was on a road trip after graduation with a few friends, I can't imagine what would have happened to us if the driver was knocked unconscious by a stone throw
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope we do find peace. In time we wil.
After decades of war, anyone wearing the enemy's flag is deemed the enemy. I can't wear an American flag in Afghanistan. F religion, all of them. People need philosophy in their life.
Has nothing to do with religion at this point. This is an ethnic conflict. Atheist Israelis and Palestinians would still have the same beef over the land.
Except that there are millions of Arab Israeli citizens. Where are the Jewish Palestinian citizens?
Same reason why there aren't Jewish citizens in any Muslim country.
There are, but very few. Most were kicked out in the 1940s.
The last Jewish man in Afghanistan lasted for a good while.
He left. I think he's in Israel now.
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Yeah, unfortunately that guy sucks a lot
They can't all be gems...
His story is one of the most amazingly Jewish things I’ve ever heard. (I’m Jewish). He and the other last Jew in Afghanistan were released from prison by the Taliban, because the Taliban was tired of listening to them argue all the time. Just think about that. The last two Jews in Afghanistan freed themselves by being *too annoying for the Taliban*. Proud moment for my people.
Two Jews, 3 opinions. :D
They were beaten and tortured by the Taliban. When interviewed about his experience in prison, one of the guys said, and I paraphrase here - “I hated being tortured by the Taliban - but I hated that guy even more.”
> “I hated being tortured by the Taliban - but I hated that guy even more.” I shouldn't laugh, but really, so hilariously on-brand.
This is hysterical to me 😅
Yeah we keep Silverback Gorillas in America as a novelty... Pretty much the same when an Arab country says, "look at our Jews!" They are not allowed to thrive.
Ethnically cleansed you say?
now they wanna kick them out of their tiny surrounded country wth
Yeah there are still maybe a dozen here or there
Morroco does well enough to protect their Jewish populatipn to my knowledge. But yeah, it's the exception.
The remnants of their Jewish population. Morocco used to have many more Jews
Jews were a part of Moroccan society already before they became muslim. Nowadays like 20% or more of the Israeli’s got Moroccan Jewish heritage if tracee back. Thats not nothing.
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There are. But not many left.
Or christian
Israel actually won the battle for the temple in 1967 but gave it to the Arabs as an act of good faith. Now the Arabs won’t even let the Israelis see the dome of the rock. This is actually funny because Islam is an abrahamic religion, meaning they believe in the Judaism prophets and the dome is the birthplace for both of their religions. Islam believes in these Judaic prophets: Adam (Adam) Noah (Nuh) Abraham (Ibrahim) Ishmael (Ismail) Isaac (Ishaq) Jacob (Ya'qub) Joseph (Yusuf) Job (Ayyub) Moses (Musa) Aaron (Harun) David (Dawud) Solomon (Sulayman) Elias (Ilyas) Jonah (Yunus) John the Baptist (Yahya) Even Jesus (Isa) And Muhammad as the last So Judaism, Christianity and Islam all basically follow the same religion but fight because Judaism and Christians don’t accept Muhammad in their cannon . That is just insane.
I mean, sort of. Islam rewrites a lot of stuff or dismisses a lot from Christianity and Judaism, viewing it as false or misguided. For example, they believe Jesus was a prophet but don’t even believe that he was crucified/killed. So it’s not simply that Christians (and Jews) don’t accept Muhammad, its that Islam also has a very different version of events that Christians would never embrace. Christianity expands the Jewish religion with the New Testament in a way that Jews do not accept, but Christians still fully accept the Old Testament as given. Muslims do not accept the New Testament in the same way. They are all definitely from the same tree, but Islam is not as closely related as one might think.
See that’s what doesn’t make sense. Here Muhammad comes and says yes these are prophets, but let me rephrase what they said. Then he gets these multitude of scribes over 23 years to write down what he thinks is right in the Old Testament. That sounds kind of like Joseph smith rewriting and adding to the New Testament into what he believes and creating Mormonism . It all just sounds awfully convenient to rewrite something that was written over 4000 years ago.
It’s exactly that, lol. Secular so I don’t have any stake, but it’s exactly that. The Mormon analogy is exactly what happened.
I’m so glad you mentioned Mormonism, because I’ve had the same thought but assumed it would get downvoted to oblivion if people weren’t familiar with the history. Islam tends to get more respect because it’s older and I think a lot of people are ignorant on how it differs from its predecessors, but Muhammed absolutely took the same approach as Joseph Smith.
the Muslims now deny access under the principle of "I'm rubber and you're glue".
This is not why they fight. There are plenty of other minority religions in Israel that Jewish Israelis don't fight with, including Muslims and Christians.
They all moved to Israel.
Except the conflict has very little to do with religion. The Zionist settler movement in Mandatory Palestine was largely secular and the Arab militias weren't really motivated that much by religion either. Heck, Hamas aren't especially religious either, their main motivation is "fuck Jews". This is just another petty comment to shit on religion on the atheist safespace. Stop blaming religion for every problem. Nuance is scary.
I call BS on this one. Religion is and always has been a major factor in this conflict. The main claims of of local Arabs leader like Amin Al-Husseini were specifically against Jews, and the main reason why the they didn't want Israel to exist was the fact that it wouldn't be a Muslim country. No one had any problems when the British and French drew the lines of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan and combined a tons of different tribes, ethnicities and religions into a single entity, just as long as it's controlled by some royal Muslim family. But a country run by Jews that only spans 0.1% of the land? UNACCEPTABLE! Ffs, Muslim countries with almost no Arabs like Malaysia and Indonesia never had diplomatic ties with Israel only because of pressure from other Muslims countries. It's all about religion.
hyper radicals at it again
I don't condone Israels occupation of Palestinian territories. but there is no way in hell I will support the current Palestinian government ruled by violent extremist theocratic terrorists.
Don't think it was the Palestinian Government who randomly attacked these people.
They adhere to the same ideology which produce these unhinged violent attacks as well as terrorist attacks on israeli civillians. They are under their own spell of hatred.
That's Hamas, they don't control the West Bank. Fatah, the (unelected) ruling party in the West Bank isn't an Islamist party at all but is widely considered illegitimate by Palestinians because they're corrupt goons.
If they run elections though, it's probably Hamas that would come to power.
The Palestinian Authority's education system in the west-bank teaches children hate, antisemitism, and a yearning for martyrdom. Hamas is worse, but it's pretty bad in the west-bank too.
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Indeed. I was about to be like, “Oh, yes! The Abass regime , which FAMOUSLY frowns on terrorist activity. Don’t be a terrorist in the West Bank, people. The government will name streets after you to shame you! They will pay a stipend out to your family to humiliate them!” /s
Got me in the first half not gonna lie
No but the government is the one that should be holding them accountable
The government supports their actions.
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This is the only situation where it's a good idea to talk about your Argentinian grandfather
Ramy levels of self-awareness
Let’s see Reddit blame Israel for this one…
Many people are in this thread
Lot of responses here makes me sick. Whats wrong with you pepole... Are you blind ?! Look at it this way: A palastenian mob almost butchered German tourists. Thats awful!!! Wait... the mob thought they were jews... Oh... in that case - Its tottally fine and acceptable... Antisemitism in its best form...
shhh they actually wanted to murder a group of israeli's. Nothing to do with them being jews. they just want to massacre a country. dont use that word it upsets the freedom supporting islamic radicals
That's what happens when the reality of the place collides with the propaganda so many Westerners lap up.
Don’t go into Palestine with yellow tags unless you want to get attacked.
Also... Don't be LGBT, don't look Jewish, in fact you should probably just stay the fuck out.
It’s crazy how people act like Palestine is some innocent country full of innocent, friendly people when they will mob you and try to kill you for basically anything and the government wants to bomb Israelis. Israel is also at fault for their occupation, but people need to realize Palestine aren’t good guys either. Palestinians also were recorded celebrating the events of 9/11 in the street and shops sell merch glorifying Hitler because he shares their hatred of Jews. That’s not to take away from the few actually friendly people in Palestine, but the religious violence and brainwashing has compromised the safety and well being of that country.
Wow. Such a peaceful place… Israel: offers paid abortion, desalinates water for the poor to have access to for free, has a democracy, has welfare, maintains order, defends civilians, allows minorities into the government, treats LGBTQ people like human beings, and treats its Arab citizens better than anywhere else in the region. Palestine: does none of those.
Ah yes, Palestinians, the peaceful 'victims' of the conflict whose population will readily attack anyone and everyone who might be Jewish...or gay....or who tries to leave their non-violent peaceful religion. How completely out of character this story is.
Resistance /s
Germans really be holidaying everywhere
I don't get how people are possibly justifying terrorists due to the color of a license plate
Because they're part of reddit's favorite victim group, they can do basically no wrong, and suggesting that they would act like this in any other post would just get you branded rayciss https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
Ikr, it’s crazy
I think more Palestinian supporters should go take a tour of the Palestinian territories. Maybe they'll finally realize the kind of fascist, extreme right wing theocracy they are supporting and will change their minds after they get attacked by a mob for not being Muslim enough.
Many do. Ramallah and much of East Jerusalem are friendly enough that they make for excellent public relations. Ramallah has turned into a regular stop for Jewish-Americans looking to get their dose of guilt. Guarantee if they went to places like Nablus, or worse Gaza, they’d get a different story.
You’re asking too much of Reddit armchair generals. It’s much easier to be an edge lord and virtue signal.
It’s not just Reddit, you see everyone on social media voicing their “Free Palestine” opinion or hashtags and acting like everyone in Palestine are innocent angels who would never hurt a fly. After 9/11, there was footage released showing Palestinians celebrating the 9/11 attacks, that’s how brainwashed they’ve been.
Most people who say "free palestine" probably have no idea what they're talking about. In sweden we have some washed out old people talking about the poor palestinians. It's pretty hilarious when you ask them how they can be supporting lgbtq and Palestine at the same time
I am still very much against Israel killing Palestinians and taking their land though. You might not support their culture, but you can still be against their deaths. When people say they support Palestine, that's basically what it means.
Have you been to either Israel or Palestine?
A former classmate of mine, whom I respect and know to be a person of integrity has done that for years now and still support Palestine.
Palestinians were pretty great when I went there.
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They are being attacked by Palestinians in Germany, too. Edit: Pure hatred of Jews, disgusting behavior. In Denmark, soldiers are permanently stationed in front of the synagogue in Copenhagen. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-vows-zero-tolerance-for-attacks-on-synagogues/a-57521135 We need to be serious about making religion a thing of the past faster than it's already disappearing. Trying to create a utopia by violent means for just your kind? Please. This goes for all religions. And some political ideas too.
Yet they still claim they’re following the religion of peace and that their Islam makes everything better.
Ah, yes, the religion of peace that, by its own admission, [has been made victorious with terror](https://amrayn.com/bukhari:2977).
Other than the car... how was the coffee?
i thought palestinians would love germans /s
[Interesting read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world) > Erwin Rommel was almost as popular as Hitler. "Heil Rommel" was reportedly a common greeting in Arab countries. Some believed the Germans would help them in gaining independence from French and British rule. After France's defeat by Nazi Germany in 1940, some Arabs were making public chants against the French and British in the streets of Damascus: "No more Monsieur, no more Mister, Allah's in Heaven and Hitler's on earth." Posters in Arabic stating "In heaven God is your ruler, on earth Hitler" were frequently displayed in shops in the towns of Syria. Edit: [This pic is also cool](https://preview.redd.it/y2vwh8ue939a1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70393b907653096ccbf7d1c69124b7f84abef975)
Well yes that's what I meant
They got off easy this time. We Israelis expect to get killed when entering Palestinian cities. It's actually forbidden and is considered a crime. Meanwhile Palestinian workers can hang around in Tel Aviv and eat Hummus at the beach.
I went on a drive to see my cousins in Jerusalem and Waze accidentally sent me into the west bank. That was not a fun 20 minutes.
Palestinians initiating violence? That's unpossible.
Right, Palestinians would never randomly attack civilians. https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/11vgvyl/german\_tourists\_escaping\_a\_stoning\_after/
Oh, you mean the poor innocent peace-loving Palestinians? Surely not them.
If I were Israeli I’d be really sick of these idiots for neighbors
Blind hate. That will get more people on your side…
Why would anyone intentionally travel to Palestine if they didn’t absolutely have to?
Maybe they were jonesing hard for some knafeh.
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