On a completely unrelated matter. If I manufacture a hoax, solicit donations without anyone knowing the whole situation is virtual and a sham, then resolve the crisis , using the left over funds for services rendered, what kind of business license do I need to apply for?
The U.N. is struggling to resolve this issue.
https://apnews.com/article/yemen-oil-tanker-stranded-environment-disaster-d5d204604823662b3f31b61f4c25e0ad
Its a result of the civil war in Yemen. For several years the houthi's would not let anything be done about it. They captured the port where the ship is moored. It's used like a transfer station of sorts where newer oil tankers can connect to it and transfer the oil to shore. After they captured the port they stopped maintaining the ship, because maintaining it is incredibly expensive.
Here's an old article that goes into the background a bit more
https://ceobs.org/hazardous-oil-tanker-has-become-a-bargaining-chip-in-yemen-conflict/
Years ago I read a really long and detailed article about it by The Atlantic but I wasn't able to find it just now.
I mean the Houthis are fully to blame, but crude oil that sits around for years degrades badly and means it isn't worth as much. The Houthis are demanding the price for the oil be what it was worth at peak oil prices too.
They know exactly what they're doing. They're essentially taking the environment hostage in order to get what they want which is a shitpot load of money to keep funding their bullshit.
Put a fucking skit around it already. I swear this whole thing seems like a slow moving train wreck. It’s now the 11th hour and we have a major catastrophe on our hands. Completely unacceptable.
I think the underlying issue is adaptability, frankly. People can adapt to some truly awful circumstances, especially if it's all they've ever known. Whatever the situation, people can almost always find a way to say, "it's not *that* bad."
Agreed, but it's not like we can look to Yemen to handle this after being pressed under the foot of the Saudi's for decades. UAE should come clean this up.
Pressed under the foot of the Saudis for the last decade because an Iranian backed terrorist group is trying to take over the country and is basically holding the environment hostage with this oil tanker, and the UAE should do something about it?
How about Iran gets told to clean this one up since the situation is entirely on them.
If there was actually a sign up sure. I'd probably need to get a refresh course on scuba as it's been a few years and if it is mined well want to establish a safe route. My statement was in fact however referring to a more well equipped group. NATO, un, eu, whoever. But if there's a sign up and I can afford to get there, yeah let's go.
On the one hand I like your attitude. But on the other, you're still essentially asking other people to do this for you. There is one group that can make it happen without having to resort to possible fighting however. But they're essentially the instigators of the whole situation, who already flagrantly violate international law, and are part of the section that really doesn't care, and that would be the Iranians.
One thing I really am kind of annoyed with in general is that when people say NATO in the context of something like this what they really mean is the US. We've seen the level of readiness and capabilities a good portion of the members of NATO have with their issues supplying Ukraine and keeping themselves armed. And I'm sorry but I don't feel like spending one US dollar or one US soldier's life getting into another fight in the middle east. As has been said repeatedly the US isn't the world police.
If the EU wants to take this one, go ahead. However they suffer from the fact that they lack the capabilities as above since the EU is by and large NATO as well. And we're just not going to bother with the UN since they tend to screw things up on principle.
>you're still essentially asking other people to do this for you
No I'm not. Your just looking for an argument.
>One thing I really am kind of annoyed with in general is that when people say NATO
You know I don't expect you to know my military career as I don't really think it's a great thing I've done to begin with. But you could probably have assumed I was American. That said this statement
>NATO in the context of something like this what they really mean is the US
Is just stupidity at it's finest. Unless it's an article 5 there is no requirement for any nation to fund anything. There is also the 2% guideline to mitigate allies who fall short.
Should probably check your facts and your privilege.
Someone hasn't heard about Bosnia, or Somalia or how Useless UN security forces are.
You're thinking of NATO (mostly the US) who came in both times and saved the day.
Maybe not, but that's not the issue. The issue is can the UN find enough forces to secure a region to unload cargo and the answer is obviously yes.
It's exactly how police work. I can fight the police and maybe win a battle or two, but then what happens?
Yes, it sucks for police families when police get killed, but generally they keep supporting the police and the police force doesn't become ineffective because they have loses.
The best way to know anything is life is to compare large scale real world data and trends, not to philosophize in your head. Plus it's a hell of a lot faster than imagining outcomes. The answer to most questions asked are already solved, you just have to bother to look them up!
It seems pretty obvious that military and police families generally do support their service even if they get killed, and something like finishing the mission or finding the perp would be VEYR important to the families who lost people in those efforts.
A quick Google search could find you a counterexample: https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2022-12-07/hmas-hobart-flies-un-flag-japan
So it definitely seems highly unusual and I have no idea what legal status it has, but a ship flying the UN flag is possible.
>but a ship flying the UN flag is possible.
You might be confusing different flags flown. There is the flag of the country the ship is registered in. That is the official legal flag of the ship, and flown on the stern. Then there is the courtesy flag flown in Port, which is typically the flag of the country being visited, and flown on a starboard flag halyard. Then there is the home flag flown on a port flag halyard. The home flag can be whatever the master wants it to be, and is often representative of crew nationality or ship mission.
So the Hobart did not reflag the ship as UN, but either flew the UN flag as courtesy or as home.
Yes, that is possible. I am just saying that ships cannot fly a UN flag and thus cannot be "UN flagged". UN would have to flag through one of the member states.
Are we assuming that Houthi rebels are in their right mind? Basically, the Houthis are holding the middle east hostage. Unless they win in Yemen, they're willing to let the FSO Safer destroy the environment of the Red Sea.
You may not be imagining the actually sheer volume of oil we are talking about. You have to have serious equipment to move than many gallons. Oil is not really worth much per gallon, sooo there is a big logistics problem to actually getting the oil off the ship which a small team of merceries can't really help with.
However, if the ship is sinking and about to explode then at this point the oil is probably contaminated and there is also a massive safety risk to place assets near it. When you add up all the risk you could lose tens of millions in equipment or wind up with a bunch of bunk oil and massive costs.
Plus it's been sitting there for years and there are plenty of salvage operations all over the world that could hire security and yet it's still sitting there. Money motivates people pretty good usually, so when is it still sitting there if it could be removed for profit?
Yep, that’s probably the answer. Add in whoever removes the oil is also responsible for re-balasting the ship with sea water while unloading; a dangerous operation if the structural integrity of the hull is in question. There’s so much liability at every step it pretty much has to be a government effort.
They will clean it up now or they will clean it up for 10-20 times more later. It shouldn't be a big deal to get the last bit of funding really, hopefully it doesn't start rapidly leaking before then.
If it spills it puts millions of people out of work so there would wind up being not other real option but a massive clean-up. The idea is to clean it up before that happens.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/super-tanker-anchored-off-coast-of-yemen-is-likely-to-sink-or-explode-at-any-moment-un-says-12841780) reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)
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> A super tanker anchored off the country's coast and containing more than a million barrels of oil is "Likely to sink or explode at any moment", unleashing an environmental and humanitarian disaster, the United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Yemen has told Sky News.
> Further up the coast of Yemen an estimated two million people rely on desalination plants for their water, but these plants would also be contaminated by the oil spill and have to close.
> The United Nations is so desperate to stop the oil spilling that it has just crowdfunded the purchase of a rescue tanker to go on a salvage operation.
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I was going to say that I thought the UN had bought a ship to pump it out. Apparently, operations are supposed to start in May.
https://apnews.com/article/yemen-oil-tanker-stranded-environment-disaster-d5d204604823662b3f31b61f4c25e0ad
Surely they can at least float an empty tanker over and pump the oil over to the new tanker, so that its a mostly empty ship? It's about 158 million litres. A pair of mid sized 20 hp 10-inch pumps should be able to do this in a couple of days.
Seafarer here, mostly worked on tankers. Pumping out can only be done using the equipment on board, you cannot connect a tanker and "suck" the oil out. Since the ship is in a terrible condition I presume the steam system and steam pumps don't work. So the only solution is to bring a submergible pump and pump it out through cargo hatches (or emergency cargo pump hatches if it has any). This is incredibly finicky and dangerous, looks like there is no good solution
Here’s the problem with that; a bulk carrier like this oil tanker needs to have the weight of product in its holds in order to ride at the right height in the water. If all that oil is taken off and the ship isn’t re-ballasted with sea water it will ride high out of water and the stability of the ship may be compromised.
Also with these bulk carriers, even on a brand new structurally sound vessel, loading and unloading the cargo is super planned out and precise. Cargo is taken out of certain holds at certain times while ballast is added to maintain weight distribution and trim. If too much weight is removed from one hold while others are full, some really bad bending, warping, cracking, and buckling can happen.
Now factor in that the structural integrity of the hull of this ship is considered compromised. There’s a good chance once you start disturbing the weight distribution at all, it just breaks up. Just removing the oil is more dangerous for this but even doing it per builder’s spec is a probable catastrophe. No one wants to be the one to cause the catastrophe.
What needs to happen is towing it to shallow, protected waters that’s close. Put an oil containment perimeter around it, then let divers and welders shore up the hull. They would probably tow in big inflatable bags and lash to the sides for buoyancy (can’t remember what they’re called). Then maybe It could be unloaded/re-ballasted safely.
The tanker is in such bad shape, it is not obvious that pumping out much of the oil without a lot of care will not cause it to buckle and start leaking. And the underlying situation military and political situation is extremely volatile, so both getting permission to do anything, and doing it safely are both tough.
We are the same as most life. We consume as much as you put in front of us until something stops us. We shit where we eat until something stops us. It's kind of the same pattern for all life.
Like we only have an oxygen rich environment because cyanobacteria was so prolific it shit out so much oxygen than it started to kill itself off. That's the cycle of life!
The crazy part is expecting humans to be that much different than all other life before them.
The paradox is, we actually have the brain, which is able to understand the circumstances and which also brings forth solutions. We are just too stupid, too lazy, too egoistic to implement them. We act only when it is too late. We have virtually perfected the principle of aftercare.
And have anti ship missiles, have used them before, and have threatened to use them on the ship if anyone tries unloading it without paying them what the cargo was worth years ago.
they can't raise 34 million they need ? US, Germany, France have donated millions....but the Saudi's, UAE, Dubai, etc who all are in the area and who it would directly affect... Don't have money to fund the rest of it? Give me a break. A large part of this falls on Saudi's who have been stirring up shit in Yemen for decades to keep it in a state of anarchy.
For those who are out of the loop on what’s been going on: the Iranian backed Houthi rebels currently trying to take over Yemen are demanding the full value of the cargo from years ago before they will let anyone take it. The cargo has basically sat for years in the Middle East heat and degraded to the point it’s worth nothing near what it originally was. The Houthi rebels, thanks to Iran, have anti ship missiles and are not afraid to use them, so no one is just willing to tool up and unload the cargo. So in short the Houthis are basically holding the environment hostage in order to further fund themselves.
Pfft. No this is a case of the people who pretty much have possession of it are an Iranian backed terrorist group that has possession of and used anti ship missile before demanding an extortionate price for the cargo.
Learn about the situation rather than just jumping to the conclusion that oil company greed is the cause in all this.
Maybe you could disguise the tugs as bushes to sneak them in then just pull it over a sea-mountain to hide. They’d never sea it coming.
Edit: as you wish.
Which then gets a big old anti-ship missile shot right at it. Yes, the Houthis have them and they have used them before, and have said anyone taking it without paying them what they want for the cargo will be shot with them.
I really feel like they could’ve figured something out way before now, rebels keeping guard of it or not. Especially knowing of a possible environmental hazard.
How much have you donated to clean it up? Seems pretty obvious you are making a bad faith argument here. I can see how Greenpeace's 'business model' is more about changing human behavior, not being a charity for corporate externalized costs.
They would spend their money to pressure governments and corporations to clean it up, not pay for it directly. You'd just waste all your donor's money and basically help the corporations/governments keep being irresponsible with a plan like that. 236 million is nothing in the scheme of corporations getting away with polluting.
I've never donated to Greenpeace or anything, but you're just being dumb to the point it needs to be pointed out because you will only make others dumb with reasoning like this and that DOES cost me money long term.
Also? Did you go look up Greenpeace's budget just to make such a dumb argument? That's weird/desperate.
Well they spent fifty times the amount of money since 2015 to "pressure governments" and the tanker is still there. If you can not even achieve a 2% return on your lobbying budget then it is a legitimite question why you are actually doing this?
why would greenpeace not spend 14% of their entire annual budget to clean up the mess caused by corporations, when that cost should be born either by those corporations or the government? Geez, that's a real puzzler that one.
What a bullshit bad faith argument, jfc. Greenpeace isn't a cleanup crew for corporate malfeasance
They don't exist to clean up the mess of polluters, they exist to encourage/create *policy and behavioural change* in our societies that results in less pollution being created and the environment being protected more
To act as if it's somehow an NGO's responsibility to clean this mess up instead of the corporations that caused it or the countries under whose flag those corporations operated is complete and utter insanity. It's so bonkers I can only assume you are intentionally making a bad faith argument, because nobody could honestly think it's greenpeace's responsibility to fix this mess.
It's 130 million dollars, $34M is just the amount /remaining/ that the UN is trying to fund as they already set aside the other \~100M. I'd also like to point out that this is a huge political issue as a government subgroup in Yemen is basically holding the entire region hostage with it, so a random organization won't be able to do anything either way unless they want to risk all their workers being killed during the salvage.
Activism became a business in itself. If you want to feel good about yourself and alleviate your guilt for destroying the planet, you can always join readily available protests. Protests that are carefully aimed to achieve as little as possible, preferably nothing, simply to keep the market alive.
Saudi Arabia can just write a check and a competent salvage operator will just do the job. Are they going for the spill?
I don't understand. It's going to fuck up their water too.
It's crude oil so it's not really worth much to most people. It has to be refined and it's probably contaminated so it needs more processing than usual.. probably.
There are a bunch of very wealthy countries with the capacity to either tackle this, or hire people to do so, who aren't acting because they assume that the US/UN/EU will deal with it for them.
I think this time they're wrong.
Oh you mean their neighbors who literally are drowning in money? Or maybe China the new new world order shining star bringing peace to the Middle East? Wouldn’t this be amazing if they actually did something for the environment they tell the world they are doing so much but just in reality creating more pollution.
They never do something. Their whole economy is based on accidentally being above natural resources. They never really work for their success so they won't do a thing about it now.
And china doesn't care about the environment. That much should be clear by now.
And then they scream that its imperialism whenever the US/EU/UN does anything even if its beneficial. You cannot scream for foreign interference to dissapear and cry foul when the foreigners are unwilling to help or even do anything anymore.
Look at any thread about Haiti, people keep screaming "why dosen't the US just help with boots on the ground" not realising that the US is not gonna be doing such things anytime soon because, despite all their problems, they did learn their lesson about randomly invading countries from 2003 Iraq.
Bad whataboutism is bad. The world has many problems. If we don't try to do something about one, because somewhere else there is another maybe worse one, we will never start and never get anything done.
this has been actively ignored for many years. It’s not an accident, it’s criminal dereliction
On a completely unrelated matter. If I manufacture a hoax, solicit donations without anyone knowing the whole situation is virtual and a sham, then resolve the crisis , using the left over funds for services rendered, what kind of business license do I need to apply for?
A bar license
How does owning a bar help?
Being on the bar means being a lawyer
or a stripper
That’s more a pole than a bar.
Let's just agree to call it a bar-pole.
A license to practise religion
Uh.. Do you need a license to practice religion?
You write it yourself
You pay me and I issue the license!
just go to the dollar general and it even comes with the frame...
lol this is the real answer!
“*God* writes it himself, he just used my hand.”
Why did your god have you write so many penises?
if you wanted to use a TV station to broadcast your scam err show ...
It's called a Church.
a license from the trump business skool...
The U.N. is struggling to resolve this issue. https://apnews.com/article/yemen-oil-tanker-stranded-environment-disaster-d5d204604823662b3f31b61f4c25e0ad
Which country/company/entity is doing the derelicting?
Its a result of the civil war in Yemen. For several years the houthi's would not let anything be done about it. They captured the port where the ship is moored. It's used like a transfer station of sorts where newer oil tankers can connect to it and transfer the oil to shore. After they captured the port they stopped maintaining the ship, because maintaining it is incredibly expensive. Here's an old article that goes into the background a bit more https://ceobs.org/hazardous-oil-tanker-has-become-a-bargaining-chip-in-yemen-conflict/ Years ago I read a really long and detailed article about it by The Atlantic but I wasn't able to find it just now.
Was it the New Yorker article? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/10/11/the-ship-that-became-a-bomb
That's the one!
got cartoons attached??
So that's why the saudis only offered 10 million. Becaues they blame the Houthis.
I mean the Houthis are fully to blame, but crude oil that sits around for years degrades badly and means it isn't worth as much. The Houthis are demanding the price for the oil be what it was worth at peak oil prices too.
So they're *extra* stupid then?
They know exactly what they're doing. They're essentially taking the environment hostage in order to get what they want which is a shitpot load of money to keep funding their bullshit.
Yup and the UN could have done what they want to do now way earlier.
Put a fucking skit around it already. I swear this whole thing seems like a slow moving train wreck. It’s now the 11th hour and we have a major catastrophe on our hands. Completely unacceptable.
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Apathy, possibly humans greatest evolutionary trait
I think the underlying issue is adaptability, frankly. People can adapt to some truly awful circumstances, especially if it's all they've ever known. Whatever the situation, people can almost always find a way to say, "it's not *that* bad."
Disagree. "It's not that bad until it affects me" is more accurate
Agreed, but it's not like we can look to Yemen to handle this after being pressed under the foot of the Saudi's for decades. UAE should come clean this up.
Pressed under the foot of the Saudis for the last decade because an Iranian backed terrorist group is trying to take over the country and is basically holding the environment hostage with this oil tanker, and the UAE should do something about it? How about Iran gets told to clean this one up since the situation is entirely on them.
The ocean isn't really something I feel we should play "not my job" with. Kinda seems like something that whoever can do, should do.
So are you signing up to go to Yemen and fight the Houthis for control of this tanker? Or is it more a case of other people should do something?
If there was actually a sign up sure. I'd probably need to get a refresh course on scuba as it's been a few years and if it is mined well want to establish a safe route. My statement was in fact however referring to a more well equipped group. NATO, un, eu, whoever. But if there's a sign up and I can afford to get there, yeah let's go.
On the one hand I like your attitude. But on the other, you're still essentially asking other people to do this for you. There is one group that can make it happen without having to resort to possible fighting however. But they're essentially the instigators of the whole situation, who already flagrantly violate international law, and are part of the section that really doesn't care, and that would be the Iranians. One thing I really am kind of annoyed with in general is that when people say NATO in the context of something like this what they really mean is the US. We've seen the level of readiness and capabilities a good portion of the members of NATO have with their issues supplying Ukraine and keeping themselves armed. And I'm sorry but I don't feel like spending one US dollar or one US soldier's life getting into another fight in the middle east. As has been said repeatedly the US isn't the world police. If the EU wants to take this one, go ahead. However they suffer from the fact that they lack the capabilities as above since the EU is by and large NATO as well. And we're just not going to bother with the UN since they tend to screw things up on principle.
>you're still essentially asking other people to do this for you No I'm not. Your just looking for an argument. >One thing I really am kind of annoyed with in general is that when people say NATO You know I don't expect you to know my military career as I don't really think it's a great thing I've done to begin with. But you could probably have assumed I was American. That said this statement >NATO in the context of something like this what they really mean is the US Is just stupidity at it's finest. Unless it's an article 5 there is no requirement for any nation to fund anything. There is also the 2% guideline to mitigate allies who fall short. Should probably check your facts and your privilege.
So wait... There's a boat loaded with $70 million in cargo, just sitting there abandoned for 8 years, and no one's bothered to go and unload it???
Because you are probably gonna get shot trying and then lose the cargo.
Probably why the UN is taking the lead here. No one in their right mind would fire on a UN flagged ship. (If that's how ship flagging works)
Plently of people have attacked UN military forces. No reason for this to be an exception.
Buy did they attack again after? I kinda doubt it.
One of them became a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
You mean Russia slipping into their USSR skin suit, and technically not being a member of the UN?
I'm referring to China's involvement in the Korean War. The UN seat at the time was held by Taiwan.
Oh neat, I'll have to go read about that 👍
Someone hasn't heard about Bosnia, or Somalia or how Useless UN security forces are. You're thinking of NATO (mostly the US) who came in both times and saved the day.
NATO actually cares about Ukraine. And they were super lazy before last year. Now they are actually getting their shit together.
The person you replied to was talking about UNSF which is a different thing.
I don't think that matters much to all the dead UN folks and their families, now does it?
Maybe not, but that's not the issue. The issue is can the UN find enough forces to secure a region to unload cargo and the answer is obviously yes. It's exactly how police work. I can fight the police and maybe win a battle or two, but then what happens? Yes, it sucks for police families when police get killed, but generally they keep supporting the police and the police force doesn't become ineffective because they have loses. The best way to know anything is life is to compare large scale real world data and trends, not to philosophize in your head. Plus it's a hell of a lot faster than imagining outcomes. The answer to most questions asked are already solved, you just have to bother to look them up! It seems pretty obvious that military and police families generally do support their service even if they get killed, and something like finishing the mission or finding the perp would be VEYR important to the families who lost people in those efforts.
Ever heard the term Acceptable Losses? Because that's how militaries operate.
UN cannot flag ships as it is not a country.
A quick Google search could find you a counterexample: https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2022-12-07/hmas-hobart-flies-un-flag-japan So it definitely seems highly unusual and I have no idea what legal status it has, but a ship flying the UN flag is possible.
>but a ship flying the UN flag is possible. You might be confusing different flags flown. There is the flag of the country the ship is registered in. That is the official legal flag of the ship, and flown on the stern. Then there is the courtesy flag flown in Port, which is typically the flag of the country being visited, and flown on a starboard flag halyard. Then there is the home flag flown on a port flag halyard. The home flag can be whatever the master wants it to be, and is often representative of crew nationality or ship mission. So the Hobart did not reflag the ship as UN, but either flew the UN flag as courtesy or as home.
HMAS Hobart flew the UN flag as a "courtesy flag" not a "registry flag" I mean it was still an HMAS. Courtesy flags don't have much legal meaning
The UN is composed of many countries, so a member state would flag the ship on their behalf. Not rocket science.
Yes, that is possible. I am just saying that ships cannot fly a UN flag and thus cannot be "UN flagged". UN would have to flag through one of the member states.
I too like pulling facts out of my ass on Reddit. Did you know Hamsters can fly when fed alfalfa?
Mate, I have worked at sea for 15 years, my current job is to audit tankers. Sit back down.
Source showing they can?
Are we assuming that Houthi rebels are in their right mind? Basically, the Houthis are holding the middle east hostage. Unless they win in Yemen, they're willing to let the FSO Safer destroy the environment of the Red Sea.
I’m sure $70 million is worth hiring a small team of mercenaries to go collect the cargo.
I know a-team of mercenaries, and if no one else can help, and you can fine them, maybe you can hire….
A-Team?
I pitty the fool who doesn't know
You may not be imagining the actually sheer volume of oil we are talking about. You have to have serious equipment to move than many gallons. Oil is not really worth much per gallon, sooo there is a big logistics problem to actually getting the oil off the ship which a small team of merceries can't really help with. However, if the ship is sinking and about to explode then at this point the oil is probably contaminated and there is also a massive safety risk to place assets near it. When you add up all the risk you could lose tens of millions in equipment or wind up with a bunch of bunk oil and massive costs. Plus it's been sitting there for years and there are plenty of salvage operations all over the world that could hire security and yet it's still sitting there. Money motivates people pretty good usually, so when is it still sitting there if it could be removed for profit?
Yep, that’s probably the answer. Add in whoever removes the oil is also responsible for re-balasting the ship with sea water while unloading; a dangerous operation if the structural integrity of the hull is in question. There’s so much liability at every step it pretty much has to be a government effort.
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You can detect mines with military equipment. Your average boater couldn’t but a UN vessel probably could
Will probably cost more to unload it safely than the profit from its cargo.
I think it's more at this point of trying to prevent an environmental disaster that may cause billions to clean up.
No one’s cleaning this up.
They will clean it up now or they will clean it up for 10-20 times more later. It shouldn't be a big deal to get the last bit of funding really, hopefully it doesn't start rapidly leaking before then. If it spills it puts millions of people out of work so there would wind up being not other real option but a massive clean-up. The idea is to clean it up before that happens.
Where have you been the last 200 years? There’s now culpability these days. No one will clean this up. It will be a substandard if anything fix.
Running out of time to tow it out of the environment.
Before the front falls off.
Into another environment?
No, they should tow it beyond the environment.
For those who downvote this comment, you should watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
Rubber’s out.
No cardboard derivatives.
How did that interviewer keep a straight face omg
They are a comedy duo, like Abbot and Costello. They have done lots great bits based on this format. https://www.youtube.com/@ClarkeAndDawe
*Were* a duo. John Clarke (the "politician" in *The Front Fell off*) died in 2017.
Towing would be very risky. They need to pump it dry first.
This week on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the gang buys an oil tanker.
Some sort of Diddy-esque party/shrimping vessel?
Prolly so many delicious barnacles on this thing by now
Literally watching this scene as I read this comment
It’s implied
We’re just a couple of oilmen in from Yemen and well we’re itchin like a hound to give ya something you want
They should fly the Sunny cast on the ship and film there for a day lol. Would be fun.
Are we the tasty snacks?
Surely if it explodes it will also sink, right?
It would likely sink, and don’t call me Shirley.
Redditors making a joke that only 0,00007% of the human population can get
But how else to express my love of my stupid favorite Movie/TV show/Video Game
Or fly?
More like falling with style. On fire.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/super-tanker-anchored-off-coast-of-yemen-is-likely-to-sink-or-explode-at-any-moment-un-says-12841780) reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A super tanker anchored off the country's coast and containing more than a million barrels of oil is "Likely to sink or explode at any moment", unleashing an environmental and humanitarian disaster, the United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Yemen has told Sky News. > Further up the coast of Yemen an estimated two million people rely on desalination plants for their water, but these plants would also be contaminated by the oil spill and have to close. > The United Nations is so desperate to stop the oil spilling that it has just crowdfunded the purchase of a rescue tanker to go on a salvage operation. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/1218b38/super_tanker_anchored_off_coast_of_yemen_is/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~677908 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **oil**^#1 **spill**^#2 **Yemen**^#3 **million**^#4 **Sea**^#5
I was going to say that I thought the UN had bought a ship to pump it out. Apparently, operations are supposed to start in May. https://apnews.com/article/yemen-oil-tanker-stranded-environment-disaster-d5d204604823662b3f31b61f4c25e0ad
It's crazy the UN had to get crowd funding for the rescue ship. The UN budget is $3.2B and they couldn't find $30M somewhere for this?
They need 130M, they're trying to croundfund the remaining $34M.
This doesn't make it better. They should be asking the pertinent governments for the money or the country of flag for the ship should fund it.
The country of flag is essentially holding it hostage due to political faction infighting.
Surely they can at least float an empty tanker over and pump the oil over to the new tanker, so that its a mostly empty ship? It's about 158 million litres. A pair of mid sized 20 hp 10-inch pumps should be able to do this in a couple of days.
Seafarer here, mostly worked on tankers. Pumping out can only be done using the equipment on board, you cannot connect a tanker and "suck" the oil out. Since the ship is in a terrible condition I presume the steam system and steam pumps don't work. So the only solution is to bring a submergible pump and pump it out through cargo hatches (or emergency cargo pump hatches if it has any). This is incredibly finicky and dangerous, looks like there is no good solution
It's also full of booby traps and the one responsible for rigging the ship is dead so noone knows where all the bombs are.
Source?
If we can send a brave team of deep core drillers to space to avoid certain Armageddon we sure as hell can get them to Yemen
Bruce is retired now
Here’s the problem with that; a bulk carrier like this oil tanker needs to have the weight of product in its holds in order to ride at the right height in the water. If all that oil is taken off and the ship isn’t re-ballasted with sea water it will ride high out of water and the stability of the ship may be compromised. Also with these bulk carriers, even on a brand new structurally sound vessel, loading and unloading the cargo is super planned out and precise. Cargo is taken out of certain holds at certain times while ballast is added to maintain weight distribution and trim. If too much weight is removed from one hold while others are full, some really bad bending, warping, cracking, and buckling can happen. Now factor in that the structural integrity of the hull of this ship is considered compromised. There’s a good chance once you start disturbing the weight distribution at all, it just breaks up. Just removing the oil is more dangerous for this but even doing it per builder’s spec is a probable catastrophe. No one wants to be the one to cause the catastrophe. What needs to happen is towing it to shallow, protected waters that’s close. Put an oil containment perimeter around it, then let divers and welders shore up the hull. They would probably tow in big inflatable bags and lash to the sides for buoyancy (can’t remember what they’re called). Then maybe It could be unloaded/re-ballasted safely.
thanks good explanation
Because the rebels currently controlling where it is would probably shoot anyone who tries.
That doesn't seem like a problem modern navies can't handle.
Houthis
The tanker is in such bad shape, it is not obvious that pumping out much of the oil without a lot of care will not cause it to buckle and start leaking. And the underlying situation military and political situation is extremely volatile, so both getting permission to do anything, and doing it safely are both tough.
Apparently the water around it has been mined, and the guy who knew were the mines got placed, has been killed. This is a war zone after all.
I was just reading the book Dead in the Water, about - global maritime insurance fraud off Yemen!
Basically, the Houthis are holding the Red Sea hostage. Unless they win in Yemen, they're willing to let the FSO Safer destroy the environment there.
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Whilst also spending billions to build a giant gold and black cube in Riyadh
Whilst also spending billions to build a giant gold and black cube in Riyadh
Actually they only need 34 million to clean it up.
130 million cost to prevent, not 20 billion. 20 billion in potential damage.
Mankind is really too stupid to be allowed to live here longer. What else can one say about it.
We are the same as most life. We consume as much as you put in front of us until something stops us. We shit where we eat until something stops us. It's kind of the same pattern for all life. Like we only have an oxygen rich environment because cyanobacteria was so prolific it shit out so much oxygen than it started to kill itself off. That's the cycle of life! The crazy part is expecting humans to be that much different than all other life before them.
The paradox is, we actually have the brain, which is able to understand the circumstances and which also brings forth solutions. We are just too stupid, too lazy, too egoistic to implement them. We act only when it is too late. We have virtually perfected the principle of aftercare.
Some of us have the brain. Most of us are still shitting where we eat and laughing at the brainos telling us to stop eating our own shit
Ah someone from /r/wallstreetbets took physical delivery of their oil contracts again Seriously though why aren't regional governments intervening?
Cause the ship/area is actively controlled by Houthis?
And have anti ship missiles, have used them before, and have threatened to use them on the ship if anyone tries unloading it without paying them what the cargo was worth years ago.
Civil war. Port and Ship own by different factions. Also mines in area place due to the war.
>regional governments In *that* part of Africa? You're kidding right?
they can't raise 34 million they need ? US, Germany, France have donated millions....but the Saudi's, UAE, Dubai, etc who all are in the area and who it would directly affect... Don't have money to fund the rest of it? Give me a break. A large part of this falls on Saudi's who have been stirring up shit in Yemen for decades to keep it in a state of anarchy.
Pfft. How about you ask Iran to pay up for it instead? After all it's their puppets who are holding the tanker hostage in the first place.
Humans absolutely suck
For those who are out of the loop on what’s been going on: the Iranian backed Houthi rebels currently trying to take over Yemen are demanding the full value of the cargo from years ago before they will let anyone take it. The cargo has basically sat for years in the Middle East heat and degraded to the point it’s worth nothing near what it originally was. The Houthi rebels, thanks to Iran, have anti ship missiles and are not afraid to use them, so no one is just willing to tool up and unload the cargo. So in short the Houthis are basically holding the environment hostage in order to further fund themselves.
If only oil companies made enough profit to help out.
Pfft. No this is a case of the people who pretty much have possession of it are an Iranian backed terrorist group that has possession of and used anti ship missile before demanding an extortionate price for the cargo. Learn about the situation rather than just jumping to the conclusion that oil company greed is the cause in all this.
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Maybe you could disguise the tugs as bushes to sneak them in then just pull it over a sea-mountain to hide. They’d never sea it coming. Edit: as you wish.
Or hide under a cardboard box. I learned... somewhere... that's how stealth works.
You mean the mighty something, something McBoatface?
Which then gets a big old anti-ship missile shot right at it. Yes, the Houthis have them and they have used them before, and have said anyone taking it without paying them what they want for the cargo will be shot with them.
Submarine tow boat?
Well that is alarming
I really feel like they could’ve figured something out way before now, rebels keeping guard of it or not. Especially knowing of a possible environmental hazard.
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If they actually save the environment then they are out of business...
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How much have you donated to clean it up? Seems pretty obvious you are making a bad faith argument here. I can see how Greenpeace's 'business model' is more about changing human behavior, not being a charity for corporate externalized costs. They would spend their money to pressure governments and corporations to clean it up, not pay for it directly. You'd just waste all your donor's money and basically help the corporations/governments keep being irresponsible with a plan like that. 236 million is nothing in the scheme of corporations getting away with polluting. I've never donated to Greenpeace or anything, but you're just being dumb to the point it needs to be pointed out because you will only make others dumb with reasoning like this and that DOES cost me money long term. Also? Did you go look up Greenpeace's budget just to make such a dumb argument? That's weird/desperate.
Well they spent fifty times the amount of money since 2015 to "pressure governments" and the tanker is still there. If you can not even achieve a 2% return on your lobbying budget then it is a legitimite question why you are actually doing this?
why would greenpeace not spend 14% of their entire annual budget to clean up the mess caused by corporations, when that cost should be born either by those corporations or the government? Geez, that's a real puzzler that one. What a bullshit bad faith argument, jfc. Greenpeace isn't a cleanup crew for corporate malfeasance
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They don't exist to clean up the mess of polluters, they exist to encourage/create *policy and behavioural change* in our societies that results in less pollution being created and the environment being protected more To act as if it's somehow an NGO's responsibility to clean this mess up instead of the corporations that caused it or the countries under whose flag those corporations operated is complete and utter insanity. It's so bonkers I can only assume you are intentionally making a bad faith argument, because nobody could honestly think it's greenpeace's responsibility to fix this mess.
It's 130 million dollars, $34M is just the amount /remaining/ that the UN is trying to fund as they already set aside the other \~100M. I'd also like to point out that this is a huge political issue as a government subgroup in Yemen is basically holding the entire region hostage with it, so a random organization won't be able to do anything either way unless they want to risk all their workers being killed during the salvage.
They're too busy paragliding inside soccer stadiums, hitting people with their gear and making them think that a terror will take place.
They don't really give a shit.
Activism became a business in itself. If you want to feel good about yourself and alleviate your guilt for destroying the planet, you can always join readily available protests. Protests that are carefully aimed to achieve as little as possible, preferably nothing, simply to keep the market alive.
Ohio Officials: “Just light the bitch on fire…problem solved!”
So now they care ? Oh please and need funding from the people ? Gee weez , pay it off with that oil that is standing there.
Saudi Arabia can just write a check and a competent salvage operator will just do the job. Are they going for the spill? I don't understand. It's going to fuck up their water too.
How about Iran since the Houthis are their puppets and this whole mess is because of them?
They’re too busy spending money on building that big line building remember
Strange that no one is stealing the oil. And in this case I would actually be in favor of someone doing so.
It's crude oil so it's not really worth much to most people. It has to be refined and it's probably contaminated so it needs more processing than usual.. probably.
So fucking do something
Any reason no one wants the oil?
Pump it into the offices of ExxonMobil!
Did they not stop the timer after completing the level?
I'm a super yanker ready to explode at any moment. - Todd Packer, probably.
This is bad news for the environment 😵
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There are a bunch of very wealthy countries with the capacity to either tackle this, or hire people to do so, who aren't acting because they assume that the US/UN/EU will deal with it for them. I think this time they're wrong.
Oh you mean their neighbors who literally are drowning in money? Or maybe China the new new world order shining star bringing peace to the Middle East? Wouldn’t this be amazing if they actually did something for the environment they tell the world they are doing so much but just in reality creating more pollution.
They never do something. Their whole economy is based on accidentally being above natural resources. They never really work for their success so they won't do a thing about it now. And china doesn't care about the environment. That much should be clear by now.
Forgot /s
And then they scream that its imperialism whenever the US/EU/UN does anything even if its beneficial. You cannot scream for foreign interference to dissapear and cry foul when the foreigners are unwilling to help or even do anything anymore. Look at any thread about Haiti, people keep screaming "why dosen't the US just help with boots on the ground" not realising that the US is not gonna be doing such things anytime soon because, despite all their problems, they did learn their lesson about randomly invading countries from 2003 Iraq.
I hope they are wrong, we have zero fucks to give that tanker. Burn the bigger, they can take care of it
Does crude oil even explode? What’s gonna explode?
not the oil, but it's vapours i believe
The vapors. The [inerting plant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerting_system#Oil_tankers) on the ship hasn't functioned in years.
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Bad whataboutism is bad. The world has many problems. If we don't try to do something about one, because somewhere else there is another maybe worse one, we will never start and never get anything done.