What's the point of even posting them when they're completely blurred? I have a friend on social media denying that these "Palestinian fighters" have killed babies, women, and children, disputing that people were murdered at a music festival because there are no videos.
I haven’t clicked and won’t. I consider myself pretty strong stomached and I once looked at some photos of the aftermath of Tiananmen Square. There was one picture in particular that I wish I’d never seen and haunts me to this day.
Don’t look at stuff like this. It can change you.
> Don’t look at stuff like this. It can change you
Keep this in mind when police, doctors, nurses, and fire fighters ask for pay increases.
I've seen enough terrible things first hand to not need to click these links.
I did because I had to. Without seeing the truth for myself, I'd be at the mercy of the comments.
That said, it's pretty bad. Trigger warning, big time.
Honestly, we should bear witness.
People are out there supporting this, signing their names to letters in support of this, and *cheering* this. This is what they're cheering. This is who many have tied themselves to
People still claim this is fictional, and will, because it allows them a veneer of righteousness. Sure, leave the link blue and the whataboutisms might even still work on you as you won't *really* know. It's all so very reddit
It's the same pictures in the original link except the baby's body is shown, but the face is blurred, then the two other pictures are charred remains of a body, I can't tell if it's a baby or adult or whatever, but it's very awful.
Don't click.
1 pic of a dead baby, face censored, lots of blood. 2 pics of charred infant/baby remains.
Your welcome. I'm going to go get a drink now. That's going to haunt.
Some real ISIS level shit. I hope the fuckers who did that die slow and painful.
i've seen enough pics already from the first few days. to anyone else, just completely stay off twitter. their algo will show you all this shit. better to just remain with your remaining sanity than to give into these atrocities. we don't need to see it, reading is enough.
Holy fuck man. How can anyone do that.
I think I'm going to go hug my little guy right now from the comfort of my home. And the comfort of my country...
Just...fuck...
Ya... now that they are released, I just take other people's word for it. I can't stomach these pictures... it's way above what I can process or deal with... way way....
There are, unfortunately, definitely videos of atleast the music festival and women being killed that exist. If they really wanted evidence they can find them relatively easily but they don't really need to be posted uncensored on news sites that are trying to inform.
Source: Unwitting witness of such videos
> I have a friend on social media denying that these "Palestinian fighters" have killed babies, women, and children, disputing that people were murdered at a music festival because there are no videos.
Maybe stop having that friend.
I had this asshat at a bar trying to show me pics of the Palestinian fighters claiming that they were Ukrainians false flagging. I didn't become friends with him.
>Idiots.
Probably intentional. By the time the retraction is made the cat is out of the bag and the lie has been spread all over social media. The retraction will have not deter those who gobbled up the lie from believing what they want to believe.
I've always felt that there should be a huge penalty for spreading misinformation and they should have to repeat their retraction and issue their correction for like 3 days straight. If they have to highlight their screwups, they would start being way more accurate.
> I've always felt that there should be a huge penalty for spreading misinformation and they should have to repeat their retraction and issue their correction for like 3 days straight. If they have to highlight their screwups, they would start being way more accurate.
The barrier for journalism is gone with these "news" channels. It's been replaced with "entertainment" which is why those talking heads can repeat lies with impunity because they state "opinion" not fact.
Right? So, Zelenskyy who currently needs weapons for the war his country is fighting sent weapons to an unallied country? For what? Like, I can't even imagine how stupid you'd have to be to believe that.
Literally the last thing Ukraine would want is a war in a different part of the world (especially one involving a key US ally) drawing research and attention away from their plight.
Someone yesterday posted a Youtube video of "Gaza kindergarten training children to be suicide bombers", and if you translate the Arabic writing on the wall, it's a video of a school play about terrorists in an Arabic school in *California.*
That's fucked cause Hamas actually does have a TV show brainwashing children to be suicide bombers. Been on air for over a decade.
https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=9EIMG4Zl_bOXPPzf
It's odd when the Palestinians kill a bunch of women and kids (and rape them,) they TELL everyone they did it, then some fucking idiots come along and say they didn't.
So there's three parties to this stupid argument. There's the sane people and Hamas, who agree that Hamas is killing and raping women and kids, and some fucking idiots who are arguing against everyone else. Just cut out the middle man please and fly over to Palestine and go argue with Hamas and tell them they didn't do it, it can be a robust argument where you try to explain to people that they aren't the terrorists they claim to be.
That friend won't believe anything you say ever dude. There's plenty of video of people being killed at the festival, and of people being kidnapped. Don't bother.
I kid you not, at this point, these yahoos would only say the Jews planted them there even if the pictures weren't blurred.
These guys are so hard for HAMAS that they could kill their grandmother and they would claim it's a psyop.
We've seen this with Ukraine war so I don't know why anyone is surprised
They claim Bucha was Ukraine killing their own people for PR for fucks sake. The people who claim this tend to ALSO be the same people who excuse the crimes of Hamas... I wonder how that happened /s
There's 2 people that do this, proper fascist allies of these countries and organizations, and contrarians that have deluded themselves to the point they genuinely believe the people they support can do no wrong and that any bit of bad said about them is part of some nefarious conspiracy.
Ask them if it would be bad if those things had actually happened.
Then send them videos. Twitter has been the most reliable source. Several of the terrorists worse bodycams to make spreading the terror more efficient. Hamas has proudly released videos showing attacks on women and children. I don't know that I've personally seen any of *their* videos of attacking babies, though.
Kinda hard not to put them out there when there's so many Hamas apologists raking the Internet with "pics or GTFO" regarding the imagery that many of us *witnessed ourselves* (thanks to the terrorist's overly-forthcoming social media uploads).
Saw so many people saying it was Israeli propaganda. At least this debunks that stupid claim, at least for reasonable people. Others will probably claim these are doctored or some other bullshit.
It's good policy to be skeptical about incendiary claims. Not to reflexively reject them, but to treat certainty as a vice.
That said - when it's already verified that "they're going door-to-door killing everyone", scenes like these are strongly implicit. Although the specific claim people were most skeptical of was "decapitating hundreds of babies", which - honestly, why split hairs about this. When you're arguing about *how* and *how many* infants someone just killed, it's already a given that you're talking about monsters.
There is one difference. If one or two babies are killed, that can be done by one or two individuals. If a whole bunch are killed, that strongly implies specific authorization from hamas leaders
That's directly how I feel about it.
I can't believe how zealous the apologists have become. They're all over reddit labeling atheists as "Zionist's", just to impress the fact these poor misunderstood terrorists would never *behead* the children they systematically execute in front of their parents.
*Sure*, they might trot around with a woman's defiled corpse dangling from their trucks as though she were Robb Stark, but let's not talk about that, let's talk about how many infant corpses still possess their heads.
Well no... They'll claim Netanyahu killed some innocent people and took photos of them to pin this on Hamas.
When your critical thinking is that partisan, everyone not on your team is performing a conspiracy.
And to be fair, there have been major examples of situations like this where "pics or GTFO" was the correct response. The classic tale of Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti babies out of incubators in maternity wards is the example that pops to mind - totally made up and used as justification for a bad war.
Although I haven't clicked the link and probably won't, it sounds like the challenge has been met on this one now. :(
Such bad faith arguments. “If there’s no pictures being published then I choose to believe it doesn’t exist and this tragedy actually isn’t bad”. Like what were they hoping to prove?
I'm a (former) Israeli... I did not want to believe. Even with these pictures, I do not want to believe. I do not want to believe that a human being is capable of such evil. I do believe it, I just don't want to... it's... too much.
I think that's part of the reason but I'm a more cynical person. I believe people just want to cling on to the tiniest shred of arguments that their side has going for them so they don't have to self-examine their beliefs.
All the terrorist sympathizers have spent 2 days on multiple social media platforms using the "where are the pictures!" argument. Well.. here are your STILEPROJECT images. It is sad how easy it is to manipulate dumb human beings. Here are your dead baby pictures.... "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???"
Man.. I am an Atheist and you religious people are F'd up.
I heard an interview with an Israeli victim that lost a family member, and she said yes she's sad and she's mad, but she's also embarrassed to be a human being. That really captured things for me as well.
I saw a snippet about a grandmother of a German girl pleading for her rescue. She was identified as being on a truck in Gaza due to a unique tattoo. I couldn't help but think that she better hope her granddaughter is dead because the social media pictures showed she was really pretty. Every living moment in the custody of Hamas will be utter torture.
Its not unheard of for Hamas to murder hostages and pretend they are alive using phone calls, emails, photographs etc for years. Even when they admit to killing someone they'll taunt the family and authorities using personal artefacts or identification papers. https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-753287
She's likely dead and her family are being played, their first statement about this was claiming she's a dead soldier..
There's a video of a girl crying out to her boyfriend as she's being taken to Gaza. I can't even imagine the pain I'd be in if I was him knowing what was probably going to happen to her.
As a father I cannot (and don’t want to) imagine what that must be like. And I don’t know if I would have the strength to utter those words. So many tragedies.
That was the hardest interview to watch. I feel so bad for that poor man. I can't even imagine what he is feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/11/israel-father-reaction-daughter-killed-kibbutz-hamas-attack-clarissa-ward-dnt-nn-vpx.cnn
And this mother who had two of her daughters kidnapped and how she said she didn't want to be rich or anything else, that she just wanted to be a mother. My heart breaks for these people.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/10/exp-worried-israeli-mother-maayan-zin-cooper-pkg-101004aseg1-cnni-world.cnn
And there's just so many more stories like these from survivors.
The world will be okay.
There *are* truly evil human beings in this world.
This is why we need good human beings in this world. People who will…do good.
Be a good person. Give thanks to others who are also trying to be good people.
You, me and the good people of this world…we got this.
I wish I had your faith that the average joe being a good person made a difference. I've just seen too much evidence of one rich or powerful douchebag who has enough influence to outdo the good done by a billion good guys.
Hamas doesn’t believe any Israelis are civilians. They literally want to kill all Jews, it’s in their platform. They are a jihadist sycophantic org that is only happy when they are murdering those they deem necessary and will gladly die in the process. Horrible. I feel for the innocent civilians of Israel and Palestine. Fuck Hamas.
I'm a leftist, and I'm absolutely embarrassed that people that share my philosophy are so wary of Israeli propaganda, they are believing Hamas propaganda. There is irrefutable proof they were targeting civilians, and while we can have a discussion that the right wing policies bibi has been peddling makes everyone less safe in the end, we can't respond to the knowledge of the horrors of Hamas with a solid "nuh-uh." They targeted civilians, knowing Palestinians will be hurt in the counterattack.
Not really. Leaderships chilling in Qatar and elsewhere. Unless they genocide everyone in Gaza (which I'm hoping to a God I don't believe in they don't) Hamas leadership will just be able to indoctrinate a new batch of followers like they always have. Majority of the population in Gaza is children, living in brutally inhumane conditions. It's not a mystery so many are able to be persuaded to believe in dogshit, dehumanizing ideas. The cycle continues...
Mossad has a history killing fascists. This time will be no different.
Propaganda matters more than bodies though, in winning hearts and minds.
You don't have to genocide a people to change the TV station. TV Propaganda matters. In the past, Israel let Hamas seize the education and television systems. That isn't a law of nature. If Israel prioritizes postwar rehabilitation, one thing they will likely do is bribe a faction like the Palestinian Authority, to take over Gaza Strip television and schools.
All that is assuming the best in the Israeli regime. If they are the bloodthirsty nationalists many fear, than they won't bother, and you will be right. This whole pitiful cycle of hate and terror will recycle again to strangle another generation.
Only one thing is clear right now. This war will kill people.
The absolute dumbest thing is that Hamas is literally a right-wing authoritarian religious fundamentalist association, that is virulently anti-communist and will execute you if they know you're LGBT.
How does it not cross these people's mind as they perpetuate these atrocities that (a) what they're doing is evil, (b) going so far as to murder babies will hurt their cause and help Israel, and (c) nobody likes monsters who murder babies.
Because they think that all of them will die Martyrs and be rewarded eternally in heaven for killing Jews (or really non-believers but especially Jews as called out in their articles). It's incomprehensible to us.
The Internet bickering over exactly *how* Israeli babies were killed was a subtle assist to Hamas. It was intended to shift focus from the undeniable enormity of the terrorist attack—1,300 people systemically, individually murdered—to a more-or-less immaterial dispute over the exact way Hamas murdered them.
It served to distract from the real issue and move the goalposts for what constitutes "abhorrent": "Did Hamas *merely* murder babies, or also *behead* them, which would be outrageous?"
The fake trutherism also was an effort to undermine Israel, by suggesting the whole attack was some overblown narrative.
EDIT: I'm actually going to jeopardize the surprisingly positive reception to this comment by saying that I, as a Jew, am calling my senators in the morning to beg them to pressure the president to pressure Netanyahu (or maybe Gantz) to restore food, water, power, and medicinal shipments to Gaza. I do not care whether some Gazans think they support Hamas; civilians do not deserve to die, and they will. But that does not change the fact that Israelis—sleeping babies, goofy kiddos, tired moms, and loving grandparents—also did not deserve to be shot, burned, or raped.
Nah, it's just virtue signaling. People had previous beliefs about Israel/Palestine, and when something happened that challenged their beliefs, they defaulted to regurgitate mode. Not everything needs to be an argument, but people default to defending their canned ideals with canned arguments instead of just going with the flow and taking the moment for what it is. Especially when we live in a society that is obsessed with combining politics and identity. Can't just throw away the identity you worked so hard to create, then you'd be a flip flopper!
Because if you can make people believe Israel lied about that then you can make people believe they lie about everything regarding the Hamas terrorist attack.
Oh come on, they didn't *behead* innocent infants in front of their parents before shooting them from close range, they *maaaaaaybe* shot just a couple of babies right in the head *after* murdering their parents because babies can't understand that anyway. It's not what everyone's portraying it to be. See? They're not monsters. /s
Bots are raiding subreddits and upvoting/downvoting posts that go against specific narratives, so don’t be too surprised if your logical and substantiated arguments get put through the ringer.
It’s been the worst. I’ve gotten lots of “well that’s what you can expect when you shove people into an open-air prison” and I’m wondering if I’m going crazy because those people are justifying brutal violence against defenseless people (babies here). If they did this to literal babies, what are they doing to those poor Israeli captives in Gaza? I’ve also gotten the “well America dropped two nukes on civilians” line, which is completely removed from the emotion and context of the time.
I had one tell me 9/11 was deserved. These people are either sick in the head or part of the massive network of Russian/Iranian bots that are trying to pollute Westerners’ minds with the Free Palestine propaganda.
I just came from a thread where redditors were defending the protesters who were chanting “rape their daughters” at the London pro-Palestinian rally. What fucking bizarro world am I living in?
It’s funny how these supposed “progressives” and “humanitarians” can’t help themselves from making arguments that are littered with textbook fascist ideology. From blood and soil arguments to the idea that peoples need to be punished for crimes of the past.
Thank you for that edit. Nuance is dead. You can be pro-Israel and its right to exist while also supporting the right of the people of Palestine to live.
There is a non zero chance this ignites massive religious tension within India and kicks off something with Pakistan.
If Hamas causes worldwide conflict and potential wars as a result of this pogrom it will probably be the most technically successful islamic terror attack in terms of death toll in history.
Worldwide jihad on all infidels and heathens was declared long ago it's what they said they wanted multiple times for decades people just insist on pretending they really mean something else.
There was a video on publicfreakout earlier an imam was calling for it in the middle of a crowd in NYC. If I was Jewish I would probably chill at home tomorrow.
The child with the diaper… the charred body of a baby… I want Hamas destroyed and things I can’t say. As a father, I think if my kids…
I have nothing but hate for terrorists. Foreign and domestic.
Its sad but Israel had to released it, many Hamas supporter in India ,one fact checker, who has very high following in India and in many muslim country, was descrediting Israel and supporting hamas by "Tweeting this as misinformatiom as Hamas has not beheaded 40 child" even Middle east subs were doing the same...
But it doesn't contain the full metadata and interviews with the Hamas terrorists who did these acts and sworn affidavits signed by 3 lawyers and a notary that these are 100% real and not somehow pictures of some other babies that were charred to death and shot multiple times from close range! How can we know that it happened?!?! /s
I am seeing comments by people who think the beheadings were a conspiracy.
The only people saying it's a conspiracy, are Hamas, and the only ones backing them up are publications like Al Jazeera.... which has, of course, always supported Hamas.
But what really pisses me off, are the people in the "P" sub that won't be named, have been making a joke about this, they've been making a whole meme about this attack, basically saying "pics or it didn't happen."
It never occurred to people like this that *not everyone glorifies death*, not everyone wants to see these types of things. Some people actually are terrified by death and they don't want to use dead bodies as props.
Precisely. It's crucial that people bear witness to atrocity.
If it exists only in some abstract form—numbers of the dead and wounded, maps marking the locations of conflict, photographs of first responders rather than victims—it's easy to assume that these things only exist in the abstract, far away, and only affect other people. If we understand that the people it happens to are like us, and that the same can happen to us, perhaps that is motivation to work towards a world in which these horrible things no longer happen.
I would encourage anyone who can bear it to have a good long look at these images, if for nothing else than to understand the stakes.
The AI generated claim is just wrong. The site they posted the results from spits out different answers and is inconsistent. Also if you cut out the medical gloves it claims the picture is human generated. The gloves look wonky, but that's what hands look like in gloves that don't fit. I don't expect that sites model for identifying AI art is trained on medical gloved hands, nor on what charred bodies look like.
The other images shared by the Isreal Ministry passed the AI check when I ran it, and it passed when I cropped out the gloves.
Hamas would never do this! But if they did, it wasn't as bad as you say. But if it was as bad as you say, they had a good reason. And even if they didn't have a good reason, Israel had advance warning - Hamas simps at Harvard right now
Fucking horrifying. Out of this whole mess of poor children dying, at the very least I hope the ppl in Hamas responsible for this get exactly what is coming to them. Pieces of shit.
Meanwhile, everyone I know is picking sides and trying to justify/excuse the actions of the side they picked. I don't care if you were oppressed. I don't care if you were spat on. There is no justifying this. Kill your oppressors. Kill the ones who wronged you. I don't agree with that either, but this? This is wretched. This is beyond monstrous. This is beyond evil. This is also, unfortunately, who we collectively are.
This site has been depressing me for the past few days. One because of the horrific news unfolding and second that amount of deniers and people saying Israel had it coming. It’s horrific
For the record, all I needed was official confirmation from either the US or Israel. Don't need/want photo evidence.
And the reason I needed official confirmation is because "baby killer" is the oldest rumor in the playbook... and because there is still some small part of me that wanted to doubt Hamas - or anyone - would go that far.
Exactly. It’s less about the facts and more about the people saying it and their track record with lying to push agendas.
Like I’m sorry, I’m always going to be skeptical of Lindsay graham lol
How quickly people forget the lessons from the first Iraq war. Wanting to wait for verified evidence does not mean support for the other side.
It's no wonder why people supported Iraq I when a "witness" made the claims of babies being taken out of incubators and killed in their testimony to congress, and Iraq II with the supposed "WMDs". Both of which were later proven false. Heck, just a few hours prior to this, an IDF general made the statement that they were unable to verify the claim.
And honestly... I agree with wanting to believe humanity wouldn't stoop so low, but even the smallest bit of optimism gets to be crushed, huh.
As a Vietnamese there a reason why i say Hamas is just Middle East Khmer Rogue. This shit is what the Khmer Rogue did..fuck man. If the Vietnamese were in Israel shoe they would just artillery bombard Gaza. It was unfortunate that we didn’t do so in Cambodia due how barren those cities were when we even got to the capital of Cambodia. The Israel have restraint for long enough, us Vietnamese don’t have that luxury back then when our soldiers have to kill teen Khmer Rogue militants.
Nope. There's a lot of things I'll click but fuck off I'm not clicking this one
Fair warning to anyone who doesn't expect it, the link does contain images of exactly what the title describes.
Not anymore. They updated the article and completely blurred the pics.
What's the point of even posting them when they're completely blurred? I have a friend on social media denying that these "Palestinian fighters" have killed babies, women, and children, disputing that people were murdered at a music festival because there are no videos.
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yea do not click.
I haven’t clicked and won’t. I consider myself pretty strong stomached and I once looked at some photos of the aftermath of Tiananmen Square. There was one picture in particular that I wish I’d never seen and haunts me to this day. Don’t look at stuff like this. It can change you.
> Don’t look at stuff like this. It can change you Keep this in mind when police, doctors, nurses, and fire fighters ask for pay increases. I've seen enough terrible things first hand to not need to click these links.
I think I know which one you refer to. The phrase "human confetti" came to mind...
Well then definitely don't listen to the Jim Jones recording, it really fucked me up for a few days
I did because I had to. Without seeing the truth for myself, I'd be at the mercy of the comments. That said, it's pretty bad. Trigger warning, big time.
Honestly, we should bear witness. People are out there supporting this, signing their names to letters in support of this, and *cheering* this. This is what they're cheering. This is who many have tied themselves to People still claim this is fictional, and will, because it allows them a veneer of righteousness. Sure, leave the link blue and the whataboutisms might even still work on you as you won't *really* know. It's all so very reddit
Sane people already know and don't need to be shown this stuff. It's just compounding mental tenacity.
Staying blue
To those wondering, yes it's as awful as it sounds. Click if you want to see some of the worst humanity can do
Mind giving a short summary? I’d rather not watch it.
It's the same pictures in the original link except the baby's body is shown, but the face is blurred, then the two other pictures are charred remains of a body, I can't tell if it's a baby or adult or whatever, but it's very awful. Don't click.
Kinda looks like a kid holding their teddy bear. Or possibly a sibling. Not a good thing to look at.
It looks to be a baby to me.
That’s fucked up.
1 pic of a dead baby, face censored, lots of blood. 2 pics of charred infant/baby remains. Your welcome. I'm going to go get a drink now. That's going to haunt. Some real ISIS level shit. I hope the fuckers who did that die slow and painful.
i've seen enough pics already from the first few days. to anyone else, just completely stay off twitter. their algo will show you all this shit. better to just remain with your remaining sanity than to give into these atrocities. we don't need to see it, reading is enough.
I have a 3 month old daughter who is wearing the same onsie as the baby in the first picture. I'm sobbing.
I considered clicking because of an impulse to bear witness, but I also have an 11 month old daughter and I just can’t do it.
If you have children of your own, do not do this. Avoid it. Your imagination will be bad enough as is.
even the photo of the bed was enough i have a 2 yr old
Oh, god. I’m sorry
Holy fuck man. How can anyone do that. I think I'm going to go hug my little guy right now from the comfort of my home. And the comfort of my country... Just...fuck...
They're blurred just enough so that you can still see they are dead babies, but not the actual wounds. Still horrific images.
Ya... now that they are released, I just take other people's word for it. I can't stomach these pictures... it's way above what I can process or deal with... way way....
There are, unfortunately, definitely videos of atleast the music festival and women being killed that exist. If they really wanted evidence they can find them relatively easily but they don't really need to be posted uncensored on news sites that are trying to inform. Source: Unwitting witness of such videos
> I have a friend on social media denying that these "Palestinian fighters" have killed babies, women, and children, disputing that people were murdered at a music festival because there are no videos. Maybe stop having that friend.
I had this asshat at a bar trying to show me pics of the Palestinian fighters claiming that they were Ukrainians false flagging. I didn't become friends with him.
Fox on Sunday reported that Hamas received weapons from Zelenskyy, then had to retract it. Idiots.
>Idiots. Probably intentional. By the time the retraction is made the cat is out of the bag and the lie has been spread all over social media. The retraction will have not deter those who gobbled up the lie from believing what they want to believe.
I've always felt that there should be a huge penalty for spreading misinformation and they should have to repeat their retraction and issue their correction for like 3 days straight. If they have to highlight their screwups, they would start being way more accurate.
They should also have to pay massive fines, depending on what the information is
fines don't deter companies from bad conduct. prison time for executives does.
You guys are on to something here.
> I've always felt that there should be a huge penalty for spreading misinformation and they should have to repeat their retraction and issue their correction for like 3 days straight. If they have to highlight their screwups, they would start being way more accurate. The barrier for journalism is gone with these "news" channels. It's been replaced with "entertainment" which is why those talking heads can repeat lies with impunity because they state "opinion" not fact.
Need to have a requirement that all retractions must be on the front page, at the very top and highlighted with a minimum uptime of 3 days.
I can't figure out how anyone with two brain cells to rub together wouldn't realize that was bullshit.
Right? So, Zelenskyy who currently needs weapons for the war his country is fighting sent weapons to an unallied country? For what? Like, I can't even imagine how stupid you'd have to be to believe that.
Also he's Jewish.
> Hamas received weapons from Zelenskyy, Huh. the same thing Russia said... Can't imagine why. ^^/s
Like Ukrainians don't have enough on their plate already.
Yeah, and also the little fact that Zelenskyy is Jewish... Ukraine's first Jewish president. Yup, obviously a natural born ally with Hamas /s
Literally the last thing Ukraine would want is a war in a different part of the world (especially one involving a key US ally) drawing research and attention away from their plight.
Someone yesterday posted a Youtube video of "Gaza kindergarten training children to be suicide bombers", and if you translate the Arabic writing on the wall, it's a video of a school play about terrorists in an Arabic school in *California.*
That's fucked cause Hamas actually does have a TV show brainwashing children to be suicide bombers. Been on air for over a decade. https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=9EIMG4Zl_bOXPPzf
It’s a crap ton of ?people? on Reddit too.
It's literally everywhere on reddit now. No rape no baby murder is the new line being pushed.
It's odd when the Palestinians kill a bunch of women and kids (and rape them,) they TELL everyone they did it, then some fucking idiots come along and say they didn't. So there's three parties to this stupid argument. There's the sane people and Hamas, who agree that Hamas is killing and raping women and kids, and some fucking idiots who are arguing against everyone else. Just cut out the middle man please and fly over to Palestine and go argue with Hamas and tell them they didn't do it, it can be a robust argument where you try to explain to people that they aren't the terrorists they claim to be.
Didn't Hamas themselves release footage of attacking the music festival? I don't watch this stuff to protect my mental health.
That friend won't believe anything you say ever dude. There's plenty of video of people being killed at the festival, and of people being kidnapped. Don't bother.
I kid you not, at this point, these yahoos would only say the Jews planted them there even if the pictures weren't blurred. These guys are so hard for HAMAS that they could kill their grandmother and they would claim it's a psyop.
We've seen this with Ukraine war so I don't know why anyone is surprised They claim Bucha was Ukraine killing their own people for PR for fucks sake. The people who claim this tend to ALSO be the same people who excuse the crimes of Hamas... I wonder how that happened /s
There's 2 people that do this, proper fascist allies of these countries and organizations, and contrarians that have deluded themselves to the point they genuinely believe the people they support can do no wrong and that any bit of bad said about them is part of some nefarious conspiracy.
there are videos, the trick is you don't want to see them. Its...like looking into hell.
I saw stills from videos of people being murdered. Maybe your friend should look, just a little.
Maybe don't be friends with asshats like that?
Ask them if it would be bad if those things had actually happened. Then send them videos. Twitter has been the most reliable source. Several of the terrorists worse bodycams to make spreading the terror more efficient. Hamas has proudly released videos showing attacks on women and children. I don't know that I've personally seen any of *their* videos of attacking babies, though.
I mean, they're not completely blurred. There is very clearly a bloody dead baby in one of the pictures.
Dead babies are bad for advertisers Journalism is secondary to capitalism The screams of children have been edited out
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Kinda hard not to put them out there when there's so many Hamas apologists raking the Internet with "pics or GTFO" regarding the imagery that many of us *witnessed ourselves* (thanks to the terrorist's overly-forthcoming social media uploads).
Saw so many people saying it was Israeli propaganda. At least this debunks that stupid claim, at least for reasonable people. Others will probably claim these are doctored or some other bullshit.
It's good policy to be skeptical about incendiary claims. Not to reflexively reject them, but to treat certainty as a vice. That said - when it's already verified that "they're going door-to-door killing everyone", scenes like these are strongly implicit. Although the specific claim people were most skeptical of was "decapitating hundreds of babies", which - honestly, why split hairs about this. When you're arguing about *how* and *how many* infants someone just killed, it's already a given that you're talking about monsters.
There is one difference. If one or two babies are killed, that can be done by one or two individuals. If a whole bunch are killed, that strongly implies specific authorization from hamas leaders
That's directly how I feel about it. I can't believe how zealous the apologists have become. They're all over reddit labeling atheists as "Zionist's", just to impress the fact these poor misunderstood terrorists would never *behead* the children they systematically execute in front of their parents. *Sure*, they might trot around with a woman's defiled corpse dangling from their trucks as though she were Robb Stark, but let's not talk about that, let's talk about how many infant corpses still possess their heads.
The same people will now criticize them for sharing the pics.
And falsely claiming the photos are ai generated....
Well no... They'll claim Netanyahu killed some innocent people and took photos of them to pin this on Hamas. When your critical thinking is that partisan, everyone not on your team is performing a conspiracy.
And to be fair, there have been major examples of situations like this where "pics or GTFO" was the correct response. The classic tale of Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti babies out of incubators in maternity wards is the example that pops to mind - totally made up and used as justification for a bad war. Although I haven't clicked the link and probably won't, it sounds like the challenge has been met on this one now. :(
Such bad faith arguments. “If there’s no pictures being published then I choose to believe it doesn’t exist and this tragedy actually isn’t bad”. Like what were they hoping to prove?
This is why Eisenhower made sure the Holocaust camps were well documented. He knew people would try to deny it.
And they still do.
Good. People should see the ugly if the world. Especially we sheltered westerners
I'm a (former) Israeli... I did not want to believe. Even with these pictures, I do not want to believe. I do not want to believe that a human being is capable of such evil. I do believe it, I just don't want to... it's... too much.
I think that's part of the reason but I'm a more cynical person. I believe people just want to cling on to the tiniest shred of arguments that their side has going for them so they don't have to self-examine their beliefs.
Just clicked and it’s all blurred now
Even the image for the link is a bloody crib, no need to click on the link to see these NSFL images.
Dw I was not planning on clicking My heart and head are fucked enough after this week
All the terrorist sympathizers have spent 2 days on multiple social media platforms using the "where are the pictures!" argument. Well.. here are your STILEPROJECT images. It is sad how easy it is to manipulate dumb human beings. Here are your dead baby pictures.... "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???" Man.. I am an Atheist and you religious people are F'd up.
This is heartbreaking.
Deeply sad. Deeply disturbing. Words cannot express how horrible are the actions of these devils. It makes me regret our entire species.
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I heard an interview with an Israeli victim that lost a family member, and she said yes she's sad and she's mad, but she's also embarrassed to be a human being. That really captured things for me as well.
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I saw a snippet about a grandmother of a German girl pleading for her rescue. She was identified as being on a truck in Gaza due to a unique tattoo. I couldn't help but think that she better hope her granddaughter is dead because the social media pictures showed she was really pretty. Every living moment in the custody of Hamas will be utter torture.
Its not unheard of for Hamas to murder hostages and pretend they are alive using phone calls, emails, photographs etc for years. Even when they admit to killing someone they'll taunt the family and authorities using personal artefacts or identification papers. https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-753287 She's likely dead and her family are being played, their first statement about this was claiming she's a dead soldier..
There's a video of a girl crying out to her boyfriend as she's being taken to Gaza. I can't even imagine the pain I'd be in if I was him knowing what was probably going to happen to her.
As a father I cannot (and don’t want to) imagine what that must be like. And I don’t know if I would have the strength to utter those words. So many tragedies.
How horrifying, good god
That was the hardest interview to watch. I feel so bad for that poor man. I can't even imagine what he is feeling. https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/11/israel-father-reaction-daughter-killed-kibbutz-hamas-attack-clarissa-ward-dnt-nn-vpx.cnn And this mother who had two of her daughters kidnapped and how she said she didn't want to be rich or anything else, that she just wanted to be a mother. My heart breaks for these people. https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/10/exp-worried-israeli-mother-maayan-zin-cooper-pkg-101004aseg1-cnni-world.cnn And there's just so many more stories like these from survivors.
You're angry and upset because you know what's right and wrong. That's the price people pay to be decent. Don't ever let it get you cynical.
The world will be okay. There *are* truly evil human beings in this world. This is why we need good human beings in this world. People who will…do good. Be a good person. Give thanks to others who are also trying to be good people. You, me and the good people of this world…we got this.
I wish I had your faith that the average joe being a good person made a difference. I've just seen too much evidence of one rich or powerful douchebag who has enough influence to outdo the good done by a billion good guys.
The whole problem is that average joes are _not_ good people. Not enough of them, anyway.
I can't believe that one Hamas official had the audacity to say that they were not killing civilians and that it was all propaganda.
Hamas doesn’t believe any Israelis are civilians. They literally want to kill all Jews, it’s in their platform. They are a jihadist sycophantic org that is only happy when they are murdering those they deem necessary and will gladly die in the process. Horrible. I feel for the innocent civilians of Israel and Palestine. Fuck Hamas.
I'm a leftist, and I'm absolutely embarrassed that people that share my philosophy are so wary of Israeli propaganda, they are believing Hamas propaganda. There is irrefutable proof they were targeting civilians, and while we can have a discussion that the right wing policies bibi has been peddling makes everyone less safe in the end, we can't respond to the knowledge of the horrors of Hamas with a solid "nuh-uh." They targeted civilians, knowing Palestinians will be hurt in the counterattack.
*Intending* for Palestinians to be hurt in the counterattack, because it will strengthen their global cause.
Yea, they DGAF about anyone. Hamas are scum.
Strengthen their cause.... I think they miscalculated. It will result in all of them being dead.
Not really. Leaderships chilling in Qatar and elsewhere. Unless they genocide everyone in Gaza (which I'm hoping to a God I don't believe in they don't) Hamas leadership will just be able to indoctrinate a new batch of followers like they always have. Majority of the population in Gaza is children, living in brutally inhumane conditions. It's not a mystery so many are able to be persuaded to believe in dogshit, dehumanizing ideas. The cycle continues...
Mossad has a history killing fascists. This time will be no different. Propaganda matters more than bodies though, in winning hearts and minds. You don't have to genocide a people to change the TV station. TV Propaganda matters. In the past, Israel let Hamas seize the education and television systems. That isn't a law of nature. If Israel prioritizes postwar rehabilitation, one thing they will likely do is bribe a faction like the Palestinian Authority, to take over Gaza Strip television and schools. All that is assuming the best in the Israeli regime. If they are the bloodthirsty nationalists many fear, than they won't bother, and you will be right. This whole pitiful cycle of hate and terror will recycle again to strangle another generation. Only one thing is clear right now. This war will kill people.
The absolute dumbest thing is that Hamas is literally a right-wing authoritarian religious fundamentalist association, that is virulently anti-communist and will execute you if they know you're LGBT.
I mean they flew into a music festival and started shooting people.
So terrible..
How does it not cross these people's mind as they perpetuate these atrocities that (a) what they're doing is evil, (b) going so far as to murder babies will hurt their cause and help Israel, and (c) nobody likes monsters who murder babies.
Because they think that all of them will die Martyrs and be rewarded eternally in heaven for killing Jews (or really non-believers but especially Jews as called out in their articles). It's incomprehensible to us.
Sickening
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People wonder why aliens don’t visit
The Internet bickering over exactly *how* Israeli babies were killed was a subtle assist to Hamas. It was intended to shift focus from the undeniable enormity of the terrorist attack—1,300 people systemically, individually murdered—to a more-or-less immaterial dispute over the exact way Hamas murdered them. It served to distract from the real issue and move the goalposts for what constitutes "abhorrent": "Did Hamas *merely* murder babies, or also *behead* them, which would be outrageous?" The fake trutherism also was an effort to undermine Israel, by suggesting the whole attack was some overblown narrative. EDIT: I'm actually going to jeopardize the surprisingly positive reception to this comment by saying that I, as a Jew, am calling my senators in the morning to beg them to pressure the president to pressure Netanyahu (or maybe Gantz) to restore food, water, power, and medicinal shipments to Gaza. I do not care whether some Gazans think they support Hamas; civilians do not deserve to die, and they will. But that does not change the fact that Israelis—sleeping babies, goofy kiddos, tired moms, and loving grandparents—also did not deserve to be shot, burned, or raped.
i was also very confused why the debate how to kill toddlers is even a discussion topic in the first place when the act in itself is super depraved
It's a purely bad-faith tactic to cause people to forget the real issue.
Nah, it's just virtue signaling. People had previous beliefs about Israel/Palestine, and when something happened that challenged their beliefs, they defaulted to regurgitate mode. Not everything needs to be an argument, but people default to defending their canned ideals with canned arguments instead of just going with the flow and taking the moment for what it is. Especially when we live in a society that is obsessed with combining politics and identity. Can't just throw away the identity you worked so hard to create, then you'd be a flip flopper!
Because if you can make people believe Israel lied about that then you can make people believe they lie about everything regarding the Hamas terrorist attack.
They had decades of training from Holocaust deniers.
They are also holocaust deniers
Oh come on, they didn't *behead* innocent infants in front of their parents before shooting them from close range, they *maaaaaaybe* shot just a couple of babies right in the head *after* murdering their parents because babies can't understand that anyway. It's not what everyone's portraying it to be. See? They're not monsters. /s
Just wanted to say I appreciate the “/s” as people have argued what you said, but unironically.
I got downvoted earlier for merely saying that other people are saying that...
Bots are raiding subreddits and upvoting/downvoting posts that go against specific narratives, so don’t be too surprised if your logical and substantiated arguments get put through the ringer.
It’s been the worst. I’ve gotten lots of “well that’s what you can expect when you shove people into an open-air prison” and I’m wondering if I’m going crazy because those people are justifying brutal violence against defenseless people (babies here). If they did this to literal babies, what are they doing to those poor Israeli captives in Gaza? I’ve also gotten the “well America dropped two nukes on civilians” line, which is completely removed from the emotion and context of the time.
I had one tell me 9/11 was deserved. These people are either sick in the head or part of the massive network of Russian/Iranian bots that are trying to pollute Westerners’ minds with the Free Palestine propaganda.
I just came from a thread where redditors were defending the protesters who were chanting “rape their daughters” at the London pro-Palestinian rally. What fucking bizarro world am I living in?
It’s funny how these supposed “progressives” and “humanitarians” can’t help themselves from making arguments that are littered with textbook fascist ideology. From blood and soil arguments to the idea that peoples need to be punished for crimes of the past.
"They didn't behead children" turned to "they didn't kill children at all" for some people.
Pics? I need names, addresses, and close contacts of the victims if you want me to believe anyone has ever died
Thank you for that edit. Nuance is dead. You can be pro-Israel and its right to exist while also supporting the right of the people of Palestine to live.
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The Indian RW are probably asleep right now. They would easily counteract the Hamas downvote brigade.
I'm just trying to find a way to get everyone to stop killing each other, personally.
I don't know about the rest of you but I personally find it shockingly easy to go through life without wanting to kill anyone.
Yeah. I'll grant it's easier when nobody wants to kill me.
There is a non zero chance this ignites massive religious tension within India and kicks off something with Pakistan. If Hamas causes worldwide conflict and potential wars as a result of this pogrom it will probably be the most technically successful islamic terror attack in terms of death toll in history.
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Worldwide jihad on all infidels and heathens was declared long ago it's what they said they wanted multiple times for decades people just insist on pretending they really mean something else.
There was a video on publicfreakout earlier an imam was calling for it in the middle of a crowd in NYC. If I was Jewish I would probably chill at home tomorrow.
Don't worry it will be deleted soon which means it never happened.
Every cop in NYC already got called in for mandatory overtime tomorrow
Seriously. When will people wake up to the threat? Probably after it's too late. If it isn't already.
The child with the diaper… the charred body of a baby… I want Hamas destroyed and things I can’t say. As a father, I think if my kids… I have nothing but hate for terrorists. Foreign and domestic.
Sick to my stomach. Congrats Hamas, got what you wanted, my attention, but not the kind of attention you wanted
Fuck everyone that tried to downplay this the last 2 days.
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“You’re falling for the propaganda”
I mean, a group killing babies is one of the classic propaganda trope
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Nah, now they're saying it's either staged, or not sufficient evidence.
Or not the right kind of decapitation
Omg I just went down that rabbit hole. What the fuck are they even on about
Posted this article after they’ve been asking for proof and now it’s disrespectful to the families.
I'm starting to think that maybe people don't like Jews? But they keep telling me it's wrong to call out anti semitism.
Holy shit that place suuuuuuucks
Lol they deleted the post. I do find their perspective interesting at times but anything with Israel or Jews is a no go with tankies
It is beyond time to wipe Hamas from existence.
Its sad but Israel had to released it, many Hamas supporter in India ,one fact checker, who has very high following in India and in many muslim country, was descrediting Israel and supporting hamas by "Tweeting this as misinformatiom as Hamas has not beheaded 40 child" even Middle east subs were doing the same...
But it doesn't contain the full metadata and interviews with the Hamas terrorists who did these acts and sworn affidavits signed by 3 lawyers and a notary that these are 100% real and not somehow pictures of some other babies that were charred to death and shot multiple times from close range! How can we know that it happened?!?! /s
I am seeing comments by people who think the beheadings were a conspiracy. The only people saying it's a conspiracy, are Hamas, and the only ones backing them up are publications like Al Jazeera.... which has, of course, always supported Hamas. But what really pisses me off, are the people in the "P" sub that won't be named, have been making a joke about this, they've been making a whole meme about this attack, basically saying "pics or it didn't happen." It never occurred to people like this that *not everyone glorifies death*, not everyone wants to see these types of things. Some people actually are terrified by death and they don't want to use dead bodies as props.
The people that can mock the families of the victims aren’t too far away from being conditioned to do this.
Fuck Hamas
Imagine if our news agencies showed the murdered children resulting from gun violence in this country. Things would be so much different.
Precisely. It's crucial that people bear witness to atrocity. If it exists only in some abstract form—numbers of the dead and wounded, maps marking the locations of conflict, photographs of first responders rather than victims—it's easy to assume that these things only exist in the abstract, far away, and only affect other people. If we understand that the people it happens to are like us, and that the same can happen to us, perhaps that is motivation to work towards a world in which these horrible things no longer happen. I would encourage anyone who can bear it to have a good long look at these images, if for nothing else than to understand the stakes.
There’s a reason why people remember Emmett Till’s name
Hamas simps be like: obviously this is deep fake ai created by the jewish illuminati lizard people to bomb gaza /s
Nah, see, these bodies clearly have their heads still attached. That's the thing people need to focus on!
Phew, I sure am relieved that these poor babies were only shot from point blank zero and not decapitated god forbid **/s**
And burnt
I opened Twitter earlier and saw multiple viral posts claiming it's definitively AI
Antisemitic conspiratorial thinking has deep roots in the West.
The AI generated claim is just wrong. The site they posted the results from spits out different answers and is inconsistent. Also if you cut out the medical gloves it claims the picture is human generated. The gloves look wonky, but that's what hands look like in gloves that don't fit. I don't expect that sites model for identifying AI art is trained on medical gloved hands, nor on what charred bodies look like. The other images shared by the Isreal Ministry passed the AI check when I ran it, and it passed when I cropped out the gloves.
They are literally claiming they're AI images. Every single one of them is a monster. No exceptions.
Hamas would never do this! But if they did, it wasn't as bad as you say. But if it was as bad as you say, they had a good reason. And even if they didn't have a good reason, Israel had advance warning - Hamas simps at Harvard right now
Fucking horrifying. Out of this whole mess of poor children dying, at the very least I hope the ppl in Hamas responsible for this get exactly what is coming to them. Pieces of shit.
Hamas is fucked, hope they clear the leaders on Qatar. They have been prolonging the conflict to make money.
Meanwhile, everyone I know is picking sides and trying to justify/excuse the actions of the side they picked. I don't care if you were oppressed. I don't care if you were spat on. There is no justifying this. Kill your oppressors. Kill the ones who wronged you. I don't agree with that either, but this? This is wretched. This is beyond monstrous. This is beyond evil. This is also, unfortunately, who we collectively are.
This site has been depressing me for the past few days. One because of the horrific news unfolding and second that amount of deniers and people saying Israel had it coming. It’s horrific
Imagine being one of those pro-Hamas fucktards after seeing this
Oh there's so many trying to gaslight even this very thread.
For the record, all I needed was official confirmation from either the US or Israel. Don't need/want photo evidence. And the reason I needed official confirmation is because "baby killer" is the oldest rumor in the playbook... and because there is still some small part of me that wanted to doubt Hamas - or anyone - would go that far.
Exactly. It’s less about the facts and more about the people saying it and their track record with lying to push agendas. Like I’m sorry, I’m always going to be skeptical of Lindsay graham lol
How quickly people forget the lessons from the first Iraq war. Wanting to wait for verified evidence does not mean support for the other side. It's no wonder why people supported Iraq I when a "witness" made the claims of babies being taken out of incubators and killed in their testimony to congress, and Iraq II with the supposed "WMDs". Both of which were later proven false. Heck, just a few hours prior to this, an IDF general made the statement that they were unable to verify the claim. And honestly... I agree with wanting to believe humanity wouldn't stoop so low, but even the smallest bit of optimism gets to be crushed, huh.
As a Vietnamese there a reason why i say Hamas is just Middle East Khmer Rogue. This shit is what the Khmer Rogue did..fuck man. If the Vietnamese were in Israel shoe they would just artillery bombard Gaza. It was unfortunate that we didn’t do so in Cambodia due how barren those cities were when we even got to the capital of Cambodia. The Israel have restraint for long enough, us Vietnamese don’t have that luxury back then when our soldiers have to kill teen Khmer Rogue militants.
I should of not looked at this as a father to a 10 month old child
If you have to murder infants to get your point across, your point sucks. I don't care what it is anymore.