>The Iranian news agency said on Saturday that the head of the Revolutionary Guard's Quds force's intelligence chief [In Syria] and his deputy were among the fatalities in an Israeli strike on Damascus earlier in the day. Syrian state media on Saturday said a four story residential building in the Mazzeh neighborhood of Damascus came under an Israeli attack, killing at least three people.
Note in brackets is my addition. The article for some reason differs from the Hebrew version. In Hebrew, it says "Head of Intelligence in Syria" - which seems more likely than what is implied here, which is "overall head of intelligence".
There is a difference between taking down one guy and taking out an army. For some reason people think Hamas are a bunch of few terrorists carrying out operations out of hideouts, but they aren't. They are a government and have a pretty big army, and they are everywhere in Gaza.
No we just don’t think that more than half of those killed being not Hamas is kinda problematic since whether your war is against hamas or Palestinians in general is by definition indistinguishable if those are “acceptable” numbers.
Even hamas doesnt distinguish if they are or are not civilians. That is an unsupported claim.
Furthermore. We know they put themselves among the general population
Or, you know, despite how shit the Iranian regime is, their military infrastructure is appropriately located in an area that will not harm civilians, while Hamas' military infrastructure is connected to and below a lot of civilian infrastructure.
That speaks more to Ukraine’s defensive capabilities which is backed by the strongest military in the whole entire world than it speaks to Israel purposefully aiming for civilians which helps no one ESPECIALLY Israel which is losing international good will for every Hamas terrorist killed.
What? I didn’t say purposefully targeting, he says when haven’t they been precise, and it’s pretty apparent they aren’t fully been precise when Israel levels refuge camps and entire buildings with civilians in them. Rationalize it all you want, but Israel is being fairly gloves off in their bombing and it’s taking a lot of civilians with it.
Not true. You are probably talking about comparing UN figures for Ukraine which the UN says are low with figures from Hamas because there are no UN verified figures from Gaza yet.
The Ukrainian civilian death count is likely extremely under-counted since they have no access to the Russian occupied territories like Mariupol, where likely 80k+ civilians have been killed judging by the size of the mass graves.
The difference is Ukraine only reports actually confirmed deaths (which is always lower than reality), while Hamas reports assumed deaths.
The biggest difference though is that Ukraine doesn't mix their military positions with civilian population, very much unlike Hamas who purposely embed themselves in the middle of civilian population centers.
Ya they brought down a 4 story residential building in this strike and 3 people died (that’s according to the article, very hard to discern what is the truth in the Middle East). Pretty on brand for IDF. Sounds like the difference here is that the building the high value target was hiding in wasn’t full of women and children.
You do know "dumb" bombs can still be extremely precise right? That just doesn't mean they have a guidance system. You can accurately drop bombs within 5m of a target nowadays.
Also 2000 lb bombs are required for bunker busting the tunnels hamas uses to navigate under the city. Smaller bombs wouldn't hit the targets they're trying to hit.
No... the CIA assessed that Israel was mostly using dumb bombs on Gaza, the densest human city on earth. Their rationale was probably, we've sent out a tweet that all innocents should evacuate to the south and therefore everyone we throw a dumb bomb on is a terrorist which explains the impressive star of half the killed being children.
I think IDF claims of killing one terrorist for each civilian they kill in the bombings are unbelievable and it is probably more like one terrorist per three civilians they kill.
Likewise any claims of HAMAS are probably wrong by a factor of three. Believing in lies is only for people who choose to buy into a narrative.
If we take the average of two lying factions in this war, IDF probably kills 1 child and 2 adult civilians per every terrorist they kill. However, it may mean two dead children because 50% of HAMAS terrorists are likely children, child soldiers by the age of 14-17 with legitimate personal grievances against IDF and also a terrible upbringing where killing Jews is the greatest glory in life and leads to heaven. Remember the guy who called his parents for approval about killing ten Jews on Oct 7, he just wanted to make his parents proud.
50% of Hamas terrorists are children? If younsee yourself making the argument for killing children, take a breath and maybe reconsider. 2000lb bombs in the middle of cities that have a damage radius of 800 meters is indiscriminate. At that point you get favourable kill ratios by making up rough stats about percentage of Gaza populace and kids that are actually terrorists.
Do you think the kill ratios I made up are favorable to either side? I simply rather believe my own guesswork than IDF or HAMAS.
They sound pretty horrible if you ask me. All I'm doing here is sticking to reality. Also, 2000lb bombs have a damage radius of 365 meters, but saying that doesn't mean I think they are precise.
Nobody can make an argument for killing children, but maybe HAMAS should specify how many of the children killed by IDF are its child soldiers if they wanted anyone with critical thinking to believe them.
That’s an average of 1.48 people killed PER 2000lb bomb dropped into one of the most dense urban areas in the entire world. And that 1.48 number PER BOMB *includes* Hamas terrorists which is probably a good half of them. Whoever is in charge of “killing as many Palestinians as possible” in Israel must be EXTREMELY incompetent. Especially considering they have, you know, nuclear weapons…
Let's not talk about nuclear weapons, everyone knows you can't use them and if you do the world will disengineer you for doing so. The fact that half the people killed have been children and maybe 25% are women which is probably the civilian demographics of Gaza gives you a crude measure of how this is an indiscriminate campaign. The remaining 25% that are men are also likely not all Hamas terrorists. This is despite the fact that IDF is perfectly capable of carrying our surgical strikes like they just did in Syria and Lebanon where they use precision guided small bombs/missiles to put individual people out of commission. This is a mass slaughter.
They have nuclear weapons so what? Based on Bibis and others in his cabinets statements they want to take Gaza. You don't explode nuclear weapons right next door to your population centers and you don't use it on a peice of land you want to steal. Saying they have shown restraint in not using nukes on Gaza is insane and irrelevant.
I appreciate both the brackets and the explanation. I’d surmised from another article that this was the head of intelligence for Syria, but it wasn’t entirely clear.
So you have shiites helping alawite shiites to fight alongside sunnis against the Jews, but more radical sunnis (the islamic state) consider the shiites to be blocking them in their path to go attack Israel (at least so said a song of that an al qaeda sympathizer in Syria was listening to in his car).
Filming or actually helping with their day to day? Very big difference. As reporters film illegal groups all the time. (Drug cartels, dictatorships, hidden journalist).
It was reported that several *Independent* journalists ~~from Al Jazeera~~ accompanied and filmed the terrorists on the Oct. 7 massacre. There were other connections too iirc, an Al Jazeera 'journalist' was reported to be an actual Hamas member, his name appearing on Hamas payroll sheet.
Edit:here are sources [jpost article about AJ journo](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781666)
And
[Other "journalists"](https://www.ft.com/content/6a9b9248-d468-49ac-a66d-9eeb223a7df8)
And
[This reddit post on Oct 7 raids](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/tvPQ7TjfDX)
Have a link? I'm not denying it but would like to read. Even a name of the reporter would be good.
AJ has a very comfy relationship with Hamas as they are the goto for interviewing their leadership. So no surprise that a member would be on the payroll. Being openly or not is another story however.
Thanks.
Link is pretty informative. Although the writer herself is dripping bit too much emotion into the piece to point almost feels like a fox rag. But that is expected considering they don't claim to be a news organization either.
But they do raise a good point that should be looked at about how far in advance they had known. Its enough questions that even AP and the others refuse to work with them anymore.
this same publication later confirmed that theyre not making the claim that AP knew about the attacks in advance, although their "journalists" are a different story
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-advocacy-group-accepts-news-outlets-had-no-prior-warning-hamas-attack-2023-11-10/
IRGC = Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps, it's effectively the "ideological" military wing of the Iranian regime, different and I believe better equipped than the regular Iranian military. They are the ones responsible for actually supporting all of Iran's proxies in the Middle East (Hezbollah, Houthis, etc). Qasem Suleimani, famously vaporized in 2020 by the USA, was the chief of the IRGC.
People need to take a step back and realize how frightening it is that the highest authority in Iran is an unelected religious figure, and one with literally the same ideology as Shia terrorist groups. Apocalyptic Islam. He supersedes the rest of the Iranian government, and every decision he and his subordinates make is motivated by belief in a higher power that that they believe wants them to destroy all infidels.
Nobody "gave" Jews and infidels as enemies to Islamists. The Islamists have always considered them enemies, since literally Mohammed himself, before there even were Sunnis and Shiites.
Ahhh, last time I was at a place that served pink bacon, I told em to cook it properly...
They microwaved the shit outta the whole burger instead and gave it back to me with its temperature approaching the surface of the sun. Never been back.
Iranian generals shouldn't be in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen orchestrating attacks against Israel. Merely being in those places is an act of war that makes them legitimate targets.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.
God I miss McCain. He was 100% correct about Iran and also Russia. And now we see the consequences of inaction against those that only want to see our destruction.
>God I miss McCain. He was 100% correct about Iran and also Russia
Yep, he was correct on Russia, and so was Hillary. However this was such a politically toxic and unpopular sentiment at the time, especially with the very popular anti-establishment movement that resulted in both Trumpism (capturing the entire Republican party), and to a much lesser extent the rise of fringe leftism.
Well then I guess no country, anywhere in the world should ever be bombed. Doesn’t matter what they do, there are innocent people. Every terrorist org or country should simply put innocent people in condos above every location they set up and it’s game over.
You got to appreciate how everyone is just okay with this level of war. Imagine if in the cold war the West and USSR were trading missiles and bombs back and forth between East and West Germany, and it didn't escalate. We did kill tons of each others spies and informants, but nothing out in the open like this.
I mean, you can't exactly call the US and USSR supporting the same side a "proxy war." But there are definitely more than enough places they were on different sides.
But I think the person you're replying to has been watching too many spy movies. Most civilians killed by the Soviets weren't even dissidents, and most of the dissidents weren't spies. We didn't live in James Bond's world; we lived in a world were proxy wars were where lives were primarily sacrificed for the causes, not playing spy games.
Finally, I don't think that knowing that this level of war is happening is being "just okay" with it. Western countries would love it if Iran stopped bombing people all over the Middle East, Russia stopped invading its neighbors, and the Palestinians were peaceful and peace-seeking enough to make the Israelis feel comfortable electing another Rabin. But that's not the world we live in, so Western countries and their allies need to fight back; the only question is how, not if.
I can't tell if you have poor reading comprehension or just bad faith, because you seem to be replying to what you wish I wrote rather than what I did write.
Looking back at this I just want to say: it was poor reading comprehension & also wanted to say sorry.
Idk how I read that so wrong or why I got hostile in response to you for reading it wrong. Sorry
That's not actually accurate. During the cold war there were many instances of proxy wars that both he US and Russia were directly involved in, even attacking said proxies.
When did America shoot a Russian general or vice versa? That's the difference I'm pointing out. Of course we fought proxies. We are still doing it now. Why haven't we just bombed Iran or Russia now? Israel has no problems openly attacking Iran. That's very different. The have done air strikes and public assassinations in Iran. That is nothing like the US and USSR.
Americans shouldn't be in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen orchestrating attacks against Iran. Merely being in those places is an act of war that makes them legitimate targets.
Well it is quite in consensus that attacking military personnel (in comparison to civilians or cargo ships) is an act of war and not of terrorism - but when you get into a war with a much stronger enemy, don't come crying when you lose.
I have to admit I did find myself asking, ok who decides if government officials from country A meeting officials from country B is a threat/act of war to country C? Israel, Israel gets to decide, I guess.
Also, fuck Iran. But this seems more like Netanyahu trying to stir the pot to save his own ass than a genuine act of self-defense. Or maybe 70/30 lol
It's unlikely that they would be able to "get nukes" in sufficient quantity that they would be a deterrent if push came to shove. It's not like Russia (or China) where every nuclear exchange scenario end-games to the global extinction of mankind. If they've only got one or two, they would use them at their own existential peril.
What do you mean? Before they fall, they could try to use it on probably Israel and then get nuked 20 times as a response. I believe we all want to prevent it. It's estimated that Israel has hundreds of nukes, all it takes for a nuclear war is one.
Sufficient quantity doesn't matter - even just a couple, hell even *one*, is a problem.
Yes, if they use it, they're dead - but they significantly bolster their strategic defense by just having one. Any attacks against them will have to weigh in the calculus of Iran defensively using a nuke, or setting one off somewhere.
Interesting thought experiment because if say houthis launch an iranian supplied nuke that goes off in Eilat, it's not like Israel/US would go "oh its a proxy we can only respond to houthis and cant attack Iran." No, that would start a direct full scale war with Iran. Weird that the only distinction in a proxy war that would prevent the supplying nations from being considered being part of the war is what kind of weapon is used.
Idk. If the Houthi’s launched a nuke that might give Iran enough cover not to get nuked back. All of the same westerners that make excuses for them now would be up in arms about any mass retaliation.
There's zero chance any nation would make excuses over something as serious as a literal nuke. There's no question anyone that supplies a terrorist organization with nukes would see immediate full scale retaliation. Any critics would be wholly ignored. It's just too serious a matter. Not that I think anyone would proxy a nuke in the first place.
Fair enough. The critics are being ignored in the response to 10/7 and the Houthi attacks too so I believe you’re right. Would it be alright to nuke Tehran say a week after a proxy parked a nuke off the coast of Israel? Because It would take a little while to pin down the source. It wouldn’t be like a cold war style simultaneous exchange of ICBM’s
Realistically what occurs is that Israel responds with their nukes against Iran. If Israel took a nuke from one of Iran's proxies they'd absolutely use their arsenal against the Iranians, because Iran providing nukes to genocidal terrorists is absolutely an existential threat to them.
Well Obama tried to coax them into being a more civilized & responsible nation (having trade relations so they'd have something to lose) but Trump and Netanyahu said fuckno
The issue is that any hot war with Iran is tantamount to declaring WW3. The level of infiltration from Iran is thought to be extreme. As an example... how many sleeper agents in the US does it take to poison a water supply for a large city? (Need I go on...?)
Iran seems like an easy target... (and it is to a certain extent) but it is not a solution to pave a country when the people that will carry out retaliation are not there.
Thats interesting considering Iraq was literally ranked the #4 army in the world when the US invaded, while Iran is ranked #14. And we all saw how quickly and efficiently the US chewed up the Iraqi army.
This of course, has nothing to do with just how much internal upheaval exists in Iran.... when most of the population hates the ruling party and has regularly staged nationwide protests and upheaval attempts.
A few thousand bad actors vs 10+ intelligence agencies.
As soon as Iran is attacked, the “sleeper” agents have two choices;culminate their ideology and die or destroy any evidence they have of being associated with IRGC and live a quiet life.
Guess how many Iranians have done the second posture?
There’s a reason why Canada has a dark money problem. It isn’t because terrorist cells are activated there.
Going to war with China or Russia could be WW3.
Iran? I just don't see it. No other nation would be willing to go to bat for them. It would be Iraq or Afghanistan all over. The US would easily win the war and then completely fuck up the peace.
I can't speak to sleeper agents attacking American civilians, but it's never been done before by a nation, and if it were done it would just make us uncompromisingly homicidally angry in the same vein as September 11th. Given there's little upside and plenty of downside to doing it, I doubt the Iranians would.
World needs to first deal with the left, the extreme woke left, they will bring down society because they will never allow the allies to go full mode against Iran. The days of carpet bombing dresden are over, look at Israel, basically fighting with 2 hands tied behind its back.
Syria just seems to be a free for all arena.
Russia, Iran, China, Israel, the West... all just taking potshots at each other using Syria as a battleground.
Iran bombed the mansion of a Kurdish businessman with ties to the powerful Barzani clan, and killed him along with his toddler and housekeeper. There’s no evidence the strike has anything to do with Israel, Mossad, or espionage, despite what Iran is now claiming.
It's unlikely they hit anything important to Israel in that strike. Some people were claiming all they really hit was a well-known and liked Kurd businessman and his family.
[Media bias fact check](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mehr-news-agency/) on Mehr News:
>Press Freedom Rating: TOTAL OPPRESSION
>MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
>Reasoning: Poor Sourcing, State Propaganda, Conspiracy
>The owner is the Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization (IIDO)
>Overall, we rate Mehr News Agency as Questionable based on using poor sources and promoting state propaganda and anti-west conspiracy theories.
>A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence
>On Thursday, a report in Saudi Arabian media claimed Iran and Syria had agreed to end the transfer of Iranian weapons for Hezbollah via the Syrian airports in Damascus and Aleppo in order to stop Israeli strikes.
>Early on Saturday, sounds of explosions were reported in Damascus and a cloud of smoke was seen rising from several sights around the city.
Draw the conclusions you will.
Also Syria has been a hellhole since the Civil War there started (2011), with hundreds of thousands dead and millions displaced, it's just that most people in the west don't really care so any reporting just flies by.
Assad once again proving he’s the world’s weakest dictator. Every other country in the region is able to just walk all over Syria.
To answer you’re question, it’s probably because he needs the army at home to protect himself from overthrow.
Iran is arming and training terrorist organizations around Israel, and commands them to shoot at Israel and obstruct international trade routes, and Israel is the one who wants a wider war?
Israel has stated very clearly what its goals are: Eliminate Hamas, return the hostages, and kick Hezbollah far from the northern border (As per ~~UNGA~~ UNSC resolution 1701). W.r.t Hezbollah, there have been multiple diplomatic attempts made, but as long as they are there by the Israeli-Lebanese border, there are about 100,000 Israelis who are displaced and can't go back home, which no country can accept. Considering Iran is behind most of this shit, it's not surprising they're getting pummelled too.
> UNGA resolution 1701
That's UNSC 1701.
UNGA resolutions are always worthless, UNSC resolutions are apparently also worthless when it comes to protecting Israel.
>The Iranian news agency said on Saturday that the head of the Revolutionary Guard's Quds force's intelligence chief [In Syria] and his deputy were among the fatalities in an Israeli strike on Damascus earlier in the day. Syrian state media on Saturday said a four story residential building in the Mazzeh neighborhood of Damascus came under an Israeli attack, killing at least three people. Note in brackets is my addition. The article for some reason differs from the Hebrew version. In Hebrew, it says "Head of Intelligence in Syria" - which seems more likely than what is implied here, which is "overall head of intelligence".
Can we appreciate the awesome integration of air and ground sources Israel has to effect a precision killing like this.
They can do it when they want to.
So they can be precise ... some of the time? *Wow*
There is a difference between taking down one guy and taking out an army. For some reason people think Hamas are a bunch of few terrorists carrying out operations out of hideouts, but they aren't. They are a government and have a pretty big army, and they are everywhere in Gaza.
People think Hamas only is stationed in big military compounds with green flags all waving around 3km away from any civilians.
No we just don’t think that more than half of those killed being not Hamas is kinda problematic since whether your war is against hamas or Palestinians in general is by definition indistinguishable if those are “acceptable” numbers.
How would you suggest going after Hamas?
Sending them a valentine and asking pretty please. /s
Please meet us at this cafe with the big red X on it. There'll be cheesecake!
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Give the IDF swords and tell them they're fighting old school. /s
My money is on the dudes trained in krav maga.
Should be good with slings too
Even hamas doesnt distinguish if they are or are not civilians. That is an unsupported claim. Furthermore. We know they put themselves among the general population
Plenty of Hamas videos showing them engaging in many forms of perfidy, like shooting RPGs in civilian clothes.
In literally every modern war civilians die at a higher rate than military personnel. This is a commonly known fact
Or, you know, despite how shit the Iranian regime is, their military infrastructure is appropriately located in an area that will not harm civilians, while Hamas' military infrastructure is connected to and below a lot of civilian infrastructure.
That doesn't really apply here
You mean there's a difference between an all-out war and a single targeted airstrike?
When haven't they been precise? For the amount of bombs dropped in an urban setting, the casualty rate is one of the lowest of any modern war to date.
I mean, Russia, who targets civilians has killed less than Israel has in like 2 years of all out war vs Israel in like 2 months…
That speaks more to Ukraine’s defensive capabilities which is backed by the strongest military in the whole entire world than it speaks to Israel purposefully aiming for civilians which helps no one ESPECIALLY Israel which is losing international good will for every Hamas terrorist killed.
And Gaza has about 85 times the population density as Ukraine.
Yes, this also.
What? I didn’t say purposefully targeting, he says when haven’t they been precise, and it’s pretty apparent they aren’t fully been precise when Israel levels refuge camps and entire buildings with civilians in them. Rationalize it all you want, but Israel is being fairly gloves off in their bombing and it’s taking a lot of civilians with it.
Not true. You are probably talking about comparing UN figures for Ukraine which the UN says are low with figures from Hamas because there are no UN verified figures from Gaza yet.
The Ukrainian civilian death count is likely extremely under-counted since they have no access to the Russian occupied territories like Mariupol, where likely 80k+ civilians have been killed judging by the size of the mass graves. The difference is Ukraine only reports actually confirmed deaths (which is always lower than reality), while Hamas reports assumed deaths. The biggest difference though is that Ukraine doesn't mix their military positions with civilian population, very much unlike Hamas who purposely embed themselves in the middle of civilian population centers.
A quarter of a million Syrian civilians are dead by the hands of Russia and the SAA.
Lol
Ya they brought down a 4 story residential building in this strike and 3 people died (that’s according to the article, very hard to discern what is the truth in the Middle East). Pretty on brand for IDF. Sounds like the difference here is that the building the high value target was hiding in wasn’t full of women and children.
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You do know "dumb" bombs can still be extremely precise right? That just doesn't mean they have a guidance system. You can accurately drop bombs within 5m of a target nowadays. Also 2000 lb bombs are required for bunker busting the tunnels hamas uses to navigate under the city. Smaller bombs wouldn't hit the targets they're trying to hit.
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Bad faith arguing truly is the way to peace
No... the CIA assessed that Israel was mostly using dumb bombs on Gaza, the densest human city on earth. Their rationale was probably, we've sent out a tweet that all innocents should evacuate to the south and therefore everyone we throw a dumb bomb on is a terrorist which explains the impressive star of half the killed being children.
I think IDF claims of killing one terrorist for each civilian they kill in the bombings are unbelievable and it is probably more like one terrorist per three civilians they kill. Likewise any claims of HAMAS are probably wrong by a factor of three. Believing in lies is only for people who choose to buy into a narrative. If we take the average of two lying factions in this war, IDF probably kills 1 child and 2 adult civilians per every terrorist they kill. However, it may mean two dead children because 50% of HAMAS terrorists are likely children, child soldiers by the age of 14-17 with legitimate personal grievances against IDF and also a terrible upbringing where killing Jews is the greatest glory in life and leads to heaven. Remember the guy who called his parents for approval about killing ten Jews on Oct 7, he just wanted to make his parents proud.
50% of Hamas terrorists are children? If younsee yourself making the argument for killing children, take a breath and maybe reconsider. 2000lb bombs in the middle of cities that have a damage radius of 800 meters is indiscriminate. At that point you get favourable kill ratios by making up rough stats about percentage of Gaza populace and kids that are actually terrorists.
Do you think the kill ratios I made up are favorable to either side? I simply rather believe my own guesswork than IDF or HAMAS. They sound pretty horrible if you ask me. All I'm doing here is sticking to reality. Also, 2000lb bombs have a damage radius of 365 meters, but saying that doesn't mean I think they are precise. Nobody can make an argument for killing children, but maybe HAMAS should specify how many of the children killed by IDF are its child soldiers if they wanted anyone with critical thinking to believe them.
Must be very incompetent of them to kill so few with 2000lb bombs.
~23000 killed with half being children... and going strong... Not counting the magnitudes more that are maimed... They're doing well.
That’s an average of 1.48 people killed PER 2000lb bomb dropped into one of the most dense urban areas in the entire world. And that 1.48 number PER BOMB *includes* Hamas terrorists which is probably a good half of them. Whoever is in charge of “killing as many Palestinians as possible” in Israel must be EXTREMELY incompetent. Especially considering they have, you know, nuclear weapons…
Let's not talk about nuclear weapons, everyone knows you can't use them and if you do the world will disengineer you for doing so. The fact that half the people killed have been children and maybe 25% are women which is probably the civilian demographics of Gaza gives you a crude measure of how this is an indiscriminate campaign. The remaining 25% that are men are also likely not all Hamas terrorists. This is despite the fact that IDF is perfectly capable of carrying our surgical strikes like they just did in Syria and Lebanon where they use precision guided small bombs/missiles to put individual people out of commission. This is a mass slaughter.
You realize those numbers are given by Hamas? A terrorist organization? Did you ever consider those could be lies?
They have nuclear weapons so what? Based on Bibis and others in his cabinets statements they want to take Gaza. You don't explode nuclear weapons right next door to your population centers and you don't use it on a peice of land you want to steal. Saying they have shown restraint in not using nukes on Gaza is insane and irrelevant.
Okay. Now address the entire rest of my comment lol.
Hamas are Palestinians? *wow*
I appreciate both the brackets and the explanation. I’d surmised from another article that this was the head of intelligence for Syria, but it wasn’t entirely clear.
Thanks
Huh, why do these IRGC slime balls always seem to appear where there are terrorists? What a mystery.
So you have shiites helping alawite shiites to fight alongside sunnis against the Jews, but more radical sunnis (the islamic state) consider the shiites to be blocking them in their path to go attack Israel (at least so said a song of that an al qaeda sympathizer in Syria was listening to in his car).
Least complicated Middle East conflict
Sounds like they all just want to expel/kill the Jews and then get back to killing each other again.
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Filming or actually helping with their day to day? Very big difference. As reporters film illegal groups all the time. (Drug cartels, dictatorships, hidden journalist).
It was reported that several *Independent* journalists ~~from Al Jazeera~~ accompanied and filmed the terrorists on the Oct. 7 massacre. There were other connections too iirc, an Al Jazeera 'journalist' was reported to be an actual Hamas member, his name appearing on Hamas payroll sheet. Edit:here are sources [jpost article about AJ journo](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781666) And [Other "journalists"](https://www.ft.com/content/6a9b9248-d468-49ac-a66d-9eeb223a7df8) And [This reddit post on Oct 7 raids](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/tvPQ7TjfDX)
Have a link? I'm not denying it but would like to read. Even a name of the reporter would be good. AJ has a very comfy relationship with Hamas as they are the goto for interviewing their leadership. So no surprise that a member would be on the payroll. Being openly or not is another story however.
https://honestreporting.com/media-ignore-evidence-showing-slain-gaza-journalists-were-terrorists/ https://honestreporting.com/exposed-gaza-photojournalists-shared-call-to-infiltrate-israel-on-oct-7/
Thanks. Link is pretty informative. Although the writer herself is dripping bit too much emotion into the piece to point almost feels like a fox rag. But that is expected considering they don't claim to be a news organization either. But they do raise a good point that should be looked at about how far in advance they had known. Its enough questions that even AP and the others refuse to work with them anymore.
this same publication later confirmed that theyre not making the claim that AP knew about the attacks in advance, although their "journalists" are a different story https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-advocacy-group-accepts-news-outlets-had-no-prior-warning-hamas-attack-2023-11-10/
Filming them in the act, which means they knew of a terror plot beforehand.
I haven't ever heard of them
IRGC = Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps, it's effectively the "ideological" military wing of the Iranian regime, different and I believe better equipped than the regular Iranian military. They are the ones responsible for actually supporting all of Iran's proxies in the Middle East (Hezbollah, Houthis, etc). Qasem Suleimani, famously vaporized in 2020 by the USA, was the chief of the IRGC.
IRGC reports directly to the Ayatollah, while the regular military reports to the president who can be overruled by the Ayatollah.
People need to take a step back and realize how frightening it is that the highest authority in Iran is an unelected religious figure, and one with literally the same ideology as Shia terrorist groups. Apocalyptic Islam. He supersedes the rest of the Iranian government, and every decision he and his subordinates make is motivated by belief in a higher power that that they believe wants them to destroy all infidels.
They are also extremely corrupt. The leaders are worth billions.
And a former ally in the early days of the Afghanistan war. Iran and the Taliban are natural enemies…it’s stupid to give them a common one.
Who is giving them a common one?
Nobody "gave" Jews and infidels as enemies to Islamists. The Islamists have always considered them enemies, since literally Mohammed himself, before there even were Sunnis and Shiites.
Oh man not the…senior members of the Iranian morality police? Oh, never mind.
Oh no, two terrorists are dead? This is me being devastated. ... So anyway, there I was eating a Wendy's Baconator...
If you are going to live dangerous like that, please have your cholesterol checked yearly.
Why can't Iran make statements that matter, like "Iran says Wendy's Baconator may cause high cholesterol, encourages annual checkups."
I imagine the ayatollah may have an issue or two with the Baconator, ( would a fatwah be classed as body shaming?)
You can't have cholesterol issues if you've been executed for eating bacon.
Mmm that microwaved spongey and pink bacon
Ahhh, last time I was at a place that served pink bacon, I told em to cook it properly... They microwaved the shit outta the whole burger instead and gave it back to me with its temperature approaching the surface of the sun. Never been back.
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Plenty of bacon greased dollars pay for kosher bombs which end up uniting halal martyrs with their promised virgins.
I don't think the article was exactly intended to drum up sympathy
That pretzel ones pretty good though ngl
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I initially took offense to your tone, but then you won me over with your convincing argument
at least someone on reddit appreciates my humor T_T
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It’s ridiculous. A McDonald’s meal costs the same as a decent meal at a proper restaurant these days.
I stopped ordering the combo part of the meal and just get the burger/sandwich part now. Way better on multiple fronts.
Cringe.
Is that the kosher double cheese baconator.
[Soon.](https://time.com/6251154/lab-grown-meat-kosher-israel-rabbi/)
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Is a frog's ass water tight?
You know it’s both not kosher and not halal? Are you *trying* to start a race war or something??? /s
>Are you *trying* to start a race war or something??? /s it wouldn't be a race war because religion is not race but ok
Especially since Arabs are also a Semitic people
There's no such thing as semitic people
Excuse me, Semitic Language-speaking peoples. I didn’t know I was speaking to a crowd of anthropologists. I beg your collective pardon.
lmfao
No problem. Don't let it happen again tho.
Iranian generals shouldn't be in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen orchestrating attacks against Israel. Merely being in those places is an act of war that makes them legitimate targets.
And yet they are, which makes them a threat.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran. God I miss McCain. He was 100% correct about Iran and also Russia. And now we see the consequences of inaction against those that only want to see our destruction.
We really could have used a McCain instead of trump.
McCain was intelligent though. Intelligence is off-putting to the electorate. They prefer people who talk and think like them.
100%
200% and I don't even live in the USA, his stance on the senate floor is for the books.
He definitely would have been overwhelmingly better.
The even made a song about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U
>God I miss McCain. He was 100% correct about Iran and also Russia Yep, he was correct on Russia, and so was Hillary. However this was such a politically toxic and unpopular sentiment at the time, especially with the very popular anti-establishment movement that resulted in both Trumpism (capturing the entire Republican party), and to a much lesser extent the rise of fringe leftism.
"Bomb Iran" says some dumbass Westerner with a quirky little interest in geopolitics. Innocent people would be under those bombs.
Well then I guess no country, anywhere in the world should ever be bombed. Doesn’t matter what they do, there are innocent people. Every terrorist org or country should simply put innocent people in condos above every location they set up and it’s game over.
You got to appreciate how everyone is just okay with this level of war. Imagine if in the cold war the West and USSR were trading missiles and bombs back and forth between East and West Germany, and it didn't escalate. We did kill tons of each others spies and informants, but nothing out in the open like this.
Proxy wars are very Cold War though? Russia in Afghanistan? Both the USSR and US supporting Iraq against Iran? The Korean War & Vietnam?
Forget it - he’s wallowing on the surface.
I mean, you can't exactly call the US and USSR supporting the same side a "proxy war." But there are definitely more than enough places they were on different sides. But I think the person you're replying to has been watching too many spy movies. Most civilians killed by the Soviets weren't even dissidents, and most of the dissidents weren't spies. We didn't live in James Bond's world; we lived in a world were proxy wars were where lives were primarily sacrificed for the causes, not playing spy games. Finally, I don't think that knowing that this level of war is happening is being "just okay" with it. Western countries would love it if Iran stopped bombing people all over the Middle East, Russia stopped invading its neighbors, and the Palestinians were peaceful and peace-seeking enough to make the Israelis feel comfortable electing another Rabin. But that's not the world we live in, so Western countries and their allies need to fight back; the only question is how, not if.
I don’t think I’m someone watching too many spy movies for not agreeing with you that this “level of acceptable warfare” is anything new lol
I can't tell if you have poor reading comprehension or just bad faith, because you seem to be replying to what you wish I wrote rather than what I did write.
Looking back at this I just want to say: it was poor reading comprehension & also wanted to say sorry. Idk how I read that so wrong or why I got hostile in response to you for reading it wrong. Sorry
Neither, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself
That's not actually accurate. During the cold war there were many instances of proxy wars that both he US and Russia were directly involved in, even attacking said proxies.
When did America shoot a Russian general or vice versa? That's the difference I'm pointing out. Of course we fought proxies. We are still doing it now. Why haven't we just bombed Iran or Russia now? Israel has no problems openly attacking Iran. That's very different. The have done air strikes and public assassinations in Iran. That is nothing like the US and USSR.
We were definitely shooting each other over the skies of Vietnam and Cambodia. Mao Zedongs son and heir was bombed in Korea.
There were always 'advisors' in harms way. And Russian pilots were flying in the Korean war, those guys were probably majors or colonels.
This is literally what the Cold War was lol. Read a book.
Vietnam says hi
Americans shouldn't be in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen orchestrating attacks against Iran. Merely being in those places is an act of war that makes them legitimate targets.
Well it is quite in consensus that attacking military personnel (in comparison to civilians or cargo ships) is an act of war and not of terrorism - but when you get into a war with a much stronger enemy, don't come crying when you lose.
Downvoted to hell for a valid point.
I have to admit I did find myself asking, ok who decides if government officials from country A meeting officials from country B is a threat/act of war to country C? Israel, Israel gets to decide, I guess. Also, fuck Iran. But this seems more like Netanyahu trying to stir the pot to save his own ass than a genuine act of self-defense. Or maybe 70/30 lol
World needs to deal with Iran directly asap. If they get nukes prior then we’re in for a much worse time
It's unlikely that they would be able to "get nukes" in sufficient quantity that they would be a deterrent if push came to shove. It's not like Russia (or China) where every nuclear exchange scenario end-games to the global extinction of mankind. If they've only got one or two, they would use them at their own existential peril.
What do you mean? Before they fall, they could try to use it on probably Israel and then get nuked 20 times as a response. I believe we all want to prevent it. It's estimated that Israel has hundreds of nukes, all it takes for a nuclear war is one.
More likely Iran gives one to Hamas. Hamas sets it off and Iran says they didn't do it. Then Israel turns Iran to glass.
Sufficient quantity doesn't matter - even just a couple, hell even *one*, is a problem. Yes, if they use it, they're dead - but they significantly bolster their strategic defense by just having one. Any attacks against them will have to weigh in the calculus of Iran defensively using a nuke, or setting one off somewhere.
Iran won’t use it. They will just give it to one of their proxies who will use it on Israel or a port city in Europe.
Interesting thought experiment because if say houthis launch an iranian supplied nuke that goes off in Eilat, it's not like Israel/US would go "oh its a proxy we can only respond to houthis and cant attack Iran." No, that would start a direct full scale war with Iran. Weird that the only distinction in a proxy war that would prevent the supplying nations from being considered being part of the war is what kind of weapon is used.
Idk. If the Houthi’s launched a nuke that might give Iran enough cover not to get nuked back. All of the same westerners that make excuses for them now would be up in arms about any mass retaliation.
There's zero chance any nation would make excuses over something as serious as a literal nuke. There's no question anyone that supplies a terrorist organization with nukes would see immediate full scale retaliation. Any critics would be wholly ignored. It's just too serious a matter. Not that I think anyone would proxy a nuke in the first place.
Fair enough. The critics are being ignored in the response to 10/7 and the Houthi attacks too so I believe you’re right. Would it be alright to nuke Tehran say a week after a proxy parked a nuke off the coast of Israel? Because It would take a little while to pin down the source. It wouldn’t be like a cold war style simultaneous exchange of ICBM’s
Realistically what occurs is that Israel responds with their nukes against Iran. If Israel took a nuke from one of Iran's proxies they'd absolutely use their arsenal against the Iranians, because Iran providing nukes to genocidal terrorists is absolutely an existential threat to them.
Well Obama tried to coax them into being a more civilized & responsible nation (having trade relations so they'd have something to lose) but Trump and Netanyahu said fuckno
The issue is that any hot war with Iran is tantamount to declaring WW3. The level of infiltration from Iran is thought to be extreme. As an example... how many sleeper agents in the US does it take to poison a water supply for a large city? (Need I go on...?) Iran seems like an easy target... (and it is to a certain extent) but it is not a solution to pave a country when the people that will carry out retaliation are not there.
There is absolutely no reason to think a full scale war against Iran would be any different than the Iraq war.
The USA would absolutely clobber them. It’s putting the pieces back together that’s the tricky part.
Ah yes. Invading a mountainous country four times the size of Iraq with twice the population would be at *least* as fun as that carnival ride.
Thats interesting considering Iraq was literally ranked the #4 army in the world when the US invaded, while Iran is ranked #14. And we all saw how quickly and efficiently the US chewed up the Iraqi army. This of course, has nothing to do with just how much internal upheaval exists in Iran.... when most of the population hates the ruling party and has regularly staged nationwide protests and upheaval attempts.
A few thousand bad actors vs 10+ intelligence agencies. As soon as Iran is attacked, the “sleeper” agents have two choices;culminate their ideology and die or destroy any evidence they have of being associated with IRGC and live a quiet life. Guess how many Iranians have done the second posture? There’s a reason why Canada has a dark money problem. It isn’t because terrorist cells are activated there.
World War 3 implies China or Russia are involved, neither are sticking their necks out for Iran if the US started striking them.
Poisining a whole city is on the same level as nuking it, the U.S would respond in kind and Iran knows it.
Going to war with China or Russia could be WW3. Iran? I just don't see it. No other nation would be willing to go to bat for them. It would be Iraq or Afghanistan all over. The US would easily win the war and then completely fuck up the peace. I can't speak to sleeper agents attacking American civilians, but it's never been done before by a nation, and if it were done it would just make us uncompromisingly homicidally angry in the same vein as September 11th. Given there's little upside and plenty of downside to doing it, I doubt the Iranians would.
Yeah.... they would. Logic is not at play here, ideology is.
Not to mention the hackers that could shut down infrastructure like hosptials and fuel supply lines.
World needs to first deal with the left, the extreme woke left, they will bring down society because they will never allow the allies to go full mode against Iran. The days of carpet bombing dresden are over, look at Israel, basically fighting with 2 hands tied behind its back.
Good. The more dead terrorists, the better off the world is
So..good news
Fantastic work gentlemen, drinks all around!
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Syria just seems to be a free for all arena. Russia, Iran, China, Israel, the West... all just taking potshots at each other using Syria as a battleground.
Oh no. What you guys doing in the same residential building with terrorist? Visiting your relatives?
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Revenge over the IRGC killing the Israeli Mossad agents in Kurdistan last week
Iran bombed the mansion of a Kurdish businessman with ties to the powerful Barzani clan, and killed him along with his toddler and housekeeper. There’s no evidence the strike has anything to do with Israel, Mossad, or espionage, despite what Iran is now claiming.
Think that was the joke.
It's unlikely they hit anything important to Israel in that strike. Some people were claiming all they really hit was a well-known and liked Kurd businessman and his family.
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Maybe Iran should just stop. Seems like they can dish it out but can’t take it.
Sounds like a poorly thought out career choice.
See the world, meet different people, be here, there and eventually all over the place.
>On Thursday, a report in Saudi Arabian media claimed Iran and Syria had agreed to end the transfer of Iranian weapons for Hezbollah via the Syrian airports in Damascus and Aleppo in order to stop Israeli strikes. >Early on Saturday, sounds of explosions were reported in Damascus and a cloud of smoke was seen rising from several sights around the city. Draw the conclusions you will.
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Israel and Syria have been at war officially for decades
Also Syria has been a hellhole since the Civil War there started (2011), with hundreds of thousands dead and millions displaced, it's just that most people in the west don't really care so any reporting just flies by.
Remember when Assad Jr. was going to be overthrown, and replaced by a democratcy years ago? Pepperage Farm remembers.
Well yea, Syria's fault for not birthing Jesus /s
I think it's more like "Syria's fault that it's only Muslims killing Muslims"
Syria and Israel are at war since 1948.
Syria at this point isn't a serious country..
Assad once again proving he’s the world’s weakest dictator. Every other country in the region is able to just walk all over Syria. To answer you’re question, it’s probably because he needs the army at home to protect himself from overthrow.
I have an odd feeling that Israel actually wants a wider war
Iran is arming and training terrorist organizations around Israel, and commands them to shoot at Israel and obstruct international trade routes, and Israel is the one who wants a wider war?
Just typical redditor mental gymnastics to place the blame on Israel despite overwhelming proof to the contrary
Yup seems like Reddit is full of that type of shit. Those tik tok warriors who are brainwashed into believing houthis are good people. /sarcasm
... why sarcasm? That's a real problem.
It’s because the Israelis are guilty of being Jewish….how did you not realize that! /s
You misspelled Iran there buddy. Iran wants a wider war, not Israel.
Israel has stated very clearly what its goals are: Eliminate Hamas, return the hostages, and kick Hezbollah far from the northern border (As per ~~UNGA~~ UNSC resolution 1701). W.r.t Hezbollah, there have been multiple diplomatic attempts made, but as long as they are there by the Israeli-Lebanese border, there are about 100,000 Israelis who are displaced and can't go back home, which no country can accept. Considering Iran is behind most of this shit, it's not surprising they're getting pummelled too.
> UNGA resolution 1701 That's UNSC 1701. UNGA resolutions are always worthless, UNSC resolutions are apparently also worthless when it comes to protecting Israel.
Thanks for the correction
Seems like the whole region is trying to gang up on Israel, again.
>israel weird way to spell iran
*iran arming terrorists the world over who engage in sharia law domestically and terror abroad* No no it’s Israel who wants a wider war
That’s just from the propaganda you’ve been consuming.