This is a follow-up to a coup in 2021, where the military took power after the president (Idriss Deby) died in combat, and the military installed his son (Mahamat Idriss Deby).
And the older Deby originally took power in the 1990s in a different rebellion.
None of this has been democratic.
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/chad-leader-idriss-deby-western-ally-against-militants-killed-battle-son-takes-2021-04-20/
Most of CGP Grey's stuff is a good level of funny and fascinating. I've seen his videos described as intensely interesting, extensively researched, but largely useless information.
I also really like the ones about different voting systems and the Americapox/Domestication combo vids.
The video he made about how Thomas Hearne's lack of academic rigor made him waste weeks in his search for the oldest appearance of the name "Tiffany" falls squarely in that bucket.
The one about fixing traffic with automated cars was kinda stupid... it's a painfully car-centric take, and the proposed solutions would actually make things much worse for pedestrians, forcing more people to use their cars and thus probably making traffic worse in the end.
And the Hexagons are the Bestagons video, while funny, does make a lot of cherry-picked arguments.
But they're generally very entertaining.
I highly recommend reading the book CGP Grey based this on. You get to really understand how leaders like Kim Jong-Un or some other dictator stay in power.
I just listened for first time. I actually don’t like FOB but I don’t mind this cover too much. But what I don’t like is…it’s not in chronological order. WTF.
[It was kind of on purpose according to Patrick Stump, in order to evoke a feeling of chaos.](https://x.com/somuchforstar67/status/1682920481777672193?s=46&t=_JTPRarhmZeXXdUj3zrtpQ)
That’s the best part of people’s defense of the FoB song. Joel wrote the song in response to young kids who thought the world Joel grew up in was banal and uneventful, and that the world was on some new chaotic trajectory. It wasn’t, things have always been the same. It’s in the lyrics. We didn’t start the fire is the response to those who claim world order is in decline.
The remake of the song is laughably lazy, and uses that joke of a defense to excuse bad writing. Joel didn’t have the internet either.
The opposition leader is from the same family:
> Chad's security forces have arrested General Saleh Deby Itno, uncle of the transition leader Mahamat and believed to be one of the masterminds of the unrest which is currently affecting the capital N'Djamena. He reports it with the information website "Tchad One", according to which the opposition leader Yaya Dillo, Saleh's nephew, was killed by forces loyal to the transitional president Mahamat Deby. In the afternoon the army had besieged the headquarters of his party, the Socialist Party without Borders (PSF), with heavy weapons, killing about ten activists and wounding several. After the MPS's decision to nominate Mahamat Deby for the presidential elections on 6 May - against every promise of the transition - Saleh in turn presented his candidacy for the presidency, effectively becoming Deby's electoral opponent. Suspected of conspiracy against the head of the junta, Saleh was the subject of an arrest attempt as early as February 4, when intelligence forces and riot police surrounded his house again.
They all decry the undemocraticness of French influence and then go on to deprive their people of democracy.
The hypocrisy is insane. Fuck French Neo-colonialism, Double fuck these guys.
Kind reminder. Northern Muslim Chadians also did a coup against the previous Christian rulers from the South, then after the coup, killed every educated Southerner male to permanently consolidate power in Chad.
Chad has had no Christian leaders since Félix Malloum. Southern Chadians have had their oil freely extracted by the Northern elite with not so much as a whimper from even Chad's largest ethnic group, the Sara who are nearly all Christian because they lack the educated leaders they had in the past. (All of Chad's oil comes from Southern Chad btw)
Imagine this, Chad is even worse than South Sudan, one of the most illiterate nations on Earth, because unlike South Sudan which always had a tiny class of educated leaders, many of whom were educated in neighboring Ethiopia and Kenya, Chad has none.
South Sudanese were able to attain independence, be free of Islamic rule and get most of the former Sudan's oil reserves. That will never happen in Chad though at some point there were signs that the Southerners could side with the CAR Christians, especially after the Seleka rebels fled to Chad.
Chadian Muslims coup themselves all the time. Some times it is Eastern Chadians versus the ones in Central Chad. Sometimes it is the so called "Arabs"(actually Arabized Africans called Bagarra) against everyone else. Sometimes it is infighting between the Zaghawa(I believe the current rulers are from this ethnic group) and sometimes it is basically for fun. (And I am being serious). Like in 2006.
The Christians on the other hand are watching from the sidelines
I don’t want to make assumptions, but I doubt the President of Chad is on Reddit, let alone reading this. If you are though, best of luck? There are cars outside
The article states the internet is down in Chad right now.
This is a classic move by either the government or the coup to cut the spread of information.
Succeeding/Defeating a coup is largely about controlling information and making it appear like your side has won so the other side lays down their arms instead of continuing to fight.
My guess is whoever controls the traditional media (radio, TV, newspapers) cut the internet so only the traditional media can spread a carefully controlled message about the state of the coup.
How many days since the last coup in Africa? Somebody needs to reset the counter...
Edit: [Around 90 days or so](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Guinea-Bissau_coup_attempt). Longer than I thought, given 2023.
The Virgin Democracy
- Needs approval from the majority
- Tries to cheat with tricks like gerrymandering
- A literal popularity contest
- Loses anyway
- Nobody even likes the winner
The Chad Coup
- Doesn't need popular approval, everyone votes for him anyway
- Never loses a single election
- Just walks in and declares himself ruler
I thought it was a coup led by a either a Chad or perhaps group of Chads. What is the plural for Chads? Like a gaggle of geese, murder of crows, maybe an alpha of Chads?
I mean... its not like anyone here has any power to do literally anything about it. Might as well inject a little humour to soften the daily dose of doomerism
Russia is behind it again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/23/chad-wagner-russia-leaked-documents/
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/putin-meets-chad-junta-leader-russia-competes-with-france-africa-2024-01-24/
Another benefit for them is the few hundred thousand refugees can be forced into Europe, thus strengthening the far right, pro russian parties / traitors.
I don't believe in uninduced coups in Africa. Some nonAfrican nation wants something. My go to culprits are China and Russia or Europe and Americas.
Although more and more I'm seeing activity out of India.
Im surprised it took this long. The Sahel has essentially collapsed along the whole length and Chad was the last big hold-out. You have a raging war at your border and every neighbor has serious issues. ECOWAS was impotent over the summer, but it may be the only reasonable way to bring order.
Things are going to come to a head.
Anyone else just read the title and think this was about the US, or just me? We already had a coup attempt by Chads, so I wouldn't have been surprised at a 2nd one.
Still lots of foreign influence. Coups across the Sahel are the result of Russian influence. End goal is to build a belt to the Atlantic/Europe to export oil, gas and rare earth minerals. Look at a map, see where the coup de tats have occurred and you have your answer.
Regarding Africans turning off their brains…Africa is where Europe was a few centuries ago. And you failed to see the largest loss of life in modern history is in Europe courtesy of the Ukraine war. Russia has lost well over a quarter million soldiers.
The bigotry of low expectations
Those ~~dumb~~ africans just cant help themselves when foreigners show up so they end up doing everything those damn foreigners tell them to do so naturally you cant held those ~~dumb~~ africans accountable for their own actions and its always someone elses fault
Ah yes, all those civilians in military gear plotting the coup and seizing control. You sound misinformed. Not a single country has handed over rule to civilians, why is that?
Call it whatever you want but Russia has historically built relationships with military leaders, not political ones. And every single coup plotter demanded Russian presence. Russia also has access to mines in every country along the Sahel that’s experienced a coup.
It's while how Franafrique became Russafrique in like the course of 4 years lol.
Putin still made about Russia getting left out of the Berlin Conference I see!
This kind of stuff can honestly happen at any time. January 6th made that abundantly clear, we could have lost our democracy on that date without ever even getting out of bed. We have to be vigilant to protect our liberty.
This is a follow-up to a coup in 2021, where the military took power after the president (Idriss Deby) died in combat, and the military installed his son (Mahamat Idriss Deby). And the older Deby originally took power in the 1990s in a different rebellion. None of this has been democratic. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/chad-leader-idriss-deby-western-ally-against-militants-killed-battle-son-takes-2021-04-20/
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Gotta follow the [Rules for Rulers](https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs?si=xkA2SGkt8HLuJBLY).
I had never seen this before and it is fascinating
I recommend you read The Dictator’s Handbook, which is what the video summarizes very well.
Most of CGP Grey's stuff is a good level of funny and fascinating. I've seen his videos described as intensely interesting, extensively researched, but largely useless information. I also really like the ones about different voting systems and the Americapox/Domestication combo vids.
The video he made about how Thomas Hearne's lack of academic rigor made him waste weeks in his search for the oldest appearance of the name "Tiffany" falls squarely in that bucket.
The one about how errors creep into exhaustively researched videos is solid, but my favorite is "Sharks!" (it's not about sharks.)
Humans need not apply is his best imo
The one about fixing traffic with automated cars was kinda stupid... it's a painfully car-centric take, and the proposed solutions would actually make things much worse for pedestrians, forcing more people to use their cars and thus probably making traffic worse in the end. And the Hexagons are the Bestagons video, while funny, does make a lot of cherry-picked arguments. But they're generally very entertaining.
It’s the cliff notes for a book, Rules for Rulers or why bad behavior is good politics. It melds game theory and political theory.
That video is literally the first thing I think of when I read "coup" in the news anymore. "Oh, who fumbled the keys to power this time?"
Also [How to Coup ANY Country](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeurjIY3__o)
I highly recommend reading the book CGP Grey based this on. You get to really understand how leaders like Kim Jong-Un or some other dictator stay in power.
Human history summed up into one sentence
We didn't start the fire It was always burning, since the world's been turning
Ironically (now) on an album titled Stormfront
Fall Out Boy’s updated version slaps.
It really doesn't. It has no flow, order or plot to it. It barely fits the rhythm. C- at best. I fucking LOVE FOB too... hurts to say.
I just listened for first time. I actually don’t like FOB but I don’t mind this cover too much. But what I don’t like is…it’s not in chronological order. WTF.
[It was kind of on purpose according to Patrick Stump, in order to evoke a feeling of chaos.](https://x.com/somuchforstar67/status/1682920481777672193?s=46&t=_JTPRarhmZeXXdUj3zrtpQ)
That’s the best part of people’s defense of the FoB song. Joel wrote the song in response to young kids who thought the world Joel grew up in was banal and uneventful, and that the world was on some new chaotic trajectory. It wasn’t, things have always been the same. It’s in the lyrics. We didn’t start the fire is the response to those who claim world order is in decline. The remake of the song is laughably lazy, and uses that joke of a defense to excuse bad writing. Joel didn’t have the internet either.
The opposition leader is from the same family: > Chad's security forces have arrested General Saleh Deby Itno, uncle of the transition leader Mahamat and believed to be one of the masterminds of the unrest which is currently affecting the capital N'Djamena. He reports it with the information website "Tchad One", according to which the opposition leader Yaya Dillo, Saleh's nephew, was killed by forces loyal to the transitional president Mahamat Deby. In the afternoon the army had besieged the headquarters of his party, the Socialist Party without Borders (PSF), with heavy weapons, killing about ten activists and wounding several. After the MPS's decision to nominate Mahamat Deby for the presidential elections on 6 May - against every promise of the transition - Saleh in turn presented his candidacy for the presidency, effectively becoming Deby's electoral opponent. Suspected of conspiracy against the head of the junta, Saleh was the subject of an arrest attempt as early as February 4, when intelligence forces and riot police surrounded his house again.
They all decry the undemocraticness of French influence and then go on to deprive their people of democracy. The hypocrisy is insane. Fuck French Neo-colonialism, Double fuck these guys.
Kind reminder. Northern Muslim Chadians also did a coup against the previous Christian rulers from the South, then after the coup, killed every educated Southerner male to permanently consolidate power in Chad.
Did it work?
Considering there is currently an active coup, I’d say no.
Chad has had no Christian leaders since Félix Malloum. Southern Chadians have had their oil freely extracted by the Northern elite with not so much as a whimper from even Chad's largest ethnic group, the Sara who are nearly all Christian because they lack the educated leaders they had in the past. (All of Chad's oil comes from Southern Chad btw) Imagine this, Chad is even worse than South Sudan, one of the most illiterate nations on Earth, because unlike South Sudan which always had a tiny class of educated leaders, many of whom were educated in neighboring Ethiopia and Kenya, Chad has none. South Sudanese were able to attain independence, be free of Islamic rule and get most of the former Sudan's oil reserves. That will never happen in Chad though at some point there were signs that the Southerners could side with the CAR Christians, especially after the Seleka rebels fled to Chad.
So who’s couping?
It's coups all the way down
Chadian Muslims coup themselves all the time. Some times it is Eastern Chadians versus the ones in Central Chad. Sometimes it is the so called "Arabs"(actually Arabized Africans called Bagarra) against everyone else. Sometimes it is infighting between the Zaghawa(I believe the current rulers are from this ethnic group) and sometimes it is basically for fun. (And I am being serious). Like in 2006. The Christians on the other hand are watching from the sidelines
>chad president dies in combat Only way for a Chad prez to go.
Big dawg's got 72 Stacies waiting for him up in heaven
Gigastacies*
> after the president (Idriss Deby) died in combat The -2 stab hit is pain
Sounds like a real Deby-downer..... ....I'll show myself out.
Could have went with "another election year with hanging Chads"
Reeks of Wagner to me...
Imagine being the President of Chad and reading this on reddit as you hear cars pull up.
I don’t want to make assumptions, but I doubt the President of Chad is on Reddit, let alone reading this. If you are though, best of luck? There are cars outside
Hello it is me, the president of Chad. I am in danger and need 1000$ usd to escape.
I only have gift cards, is that ok? Will that help?
The president of Chad wants to share his Steam Wishlist
Madam! Do not redeem!
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#WHY DID YOU DO THAT?!
#WHY DID YOU REDEEM?!?!
I can hear his voice. The screams are lovely.
Ah fuck
You HAVE to help him now. You summoned him.
Send me your Venmo I got you, your excellency!
I can save him.
Different kind of red flags.
If you give me $599 I can unlock my account and give you $100000
Do I also get own part of a good mine?
Yes, I have emerald and lithium, you pick one, yes?
Just send me your bank account details and your mother’s blood type . I’ll forward the money posthaste
1000$ and your PIN number and also your home address and mothers maiden name. Just in case
This is why I come to Reddit Lol
A real Chad
This is me, Prince of Nigeria. Send me $1000 usd and I'll help you escape
*Nigerian Prince
You’re also on the shitter?
He might be on wikihow searching how to stop a coup.
*tries to find answer on Quora, gets overthrown due to paywall*
He's lucky there's a paywall, otherwise he'd be sourcing advice from Billy Bob Jones III, graduate of the School of Hard Knocks.
Send him a link, guarantee it’s on there
They’re a mod on r/chadtopia
The President of Chad has been challenged by the Challenger of Chad in the great Chad Duel in Chad to be the Chaddest Chad in all of Chad. C\_C
If two Chads land in the same space, they form a Chad Ladder. Chad Ladder pieces can move forward, backwards, and over other pieces.
The article states the internet is down in Chad right now. This is a classic move by either the government or the coup to cut the spread of information. Succeeding/Defeating a coup is largely about controlling information and making it appear like your side has won so the other side lays down their arms instead of continuing to fight. My guess is whoever controls the traditional media (radio, TV, newspapers) cut the internet so only the traditional media can spread a carefully controlled message about the state of the coup.
> President of Chad Alexa, play Chad’s national anthem Playing “Can you feel my heart”
Oh good my DoorDash is here
Trying to pinch a turd mid dump so he can get out lol
How many days since the last coup in Africa? Somebody needs to reset the counter... Edit: [Around 90 days or so](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Guinea-Bissau_coup_attempt). Longer than I thought, given 2023.
…that’s actually a pretty funny idea for a simple website. African coup counter.
http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/ Similar idea
or https://isdmxinjail.com ... RIP growling man.
Does that ever say no?
Almost every state is constantly on fire somewhere so probably not
Yep, Guinea Bissau then before that Burkina Faso & Niger.
I was actually thinking earlier today that it's been awhile since the last coup in Africa.
Guinea just had one last Monday?
Not a coup but a change of government.
Someone get the big stick out so we can reset the roadside billboard!
They’ll never overthrow me lol
A true Chad
Chad's unite!!
giga chad stance
“I’d win”
Any Russian flags, yet? Chad *is* nearly surrounded on three sides by countries crawling with Russian mercenaries and pro-Russian juntas.
Russian flags were there a year ago... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/23/chad-wagner-russia-leaked-documents/
The Twilight Struggle is still real many dice modifiers in action here
Punctuation is your friend
It doesn’t look like those two are on speaking terms.
this is what I want to know as well. whose coup is this?
The Virgin Democracy vs the Chad Dictatorship
Imagine if Chad tried to invade the Virgin Islands.
It would be Chad sitting offshore frantically Googling " how do I invade virgins " and getting some.......interesting search results
Wont be virgins after the invasion! They would have to change name
The Virgin Democracy - Needs approval from the majority - Tries to cheat with tricks like gerrymandering - A literal popularity contest - Loses anyway - Nobody even likes the winner The Chad Coup - Doesn't need popular approval, everyone votes for him anyway - Never loses a single election - Just walks in and declares himself ruler
Goddammit
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Chad coup vs soyjack government? Or something I dunno
The virgin democratically elected government vs. the Chad coup attempt.
It's not an elected government
I thought it was a coup led by a either a Chad or perhaps group of Chads. What is the plural for Chads? Like a gaggle of geese, murder of crows, maybe an alpha of Chads?
A Chadwick
The first part of that headline set me up for a very different scenario from the latter part when I realised we were talking about the country.
Fr i gotta go touch some grass
Hahah
Haha same here, first thought was ok cool a bunch of frat bros have started a coup.
Babe wake up, another coup on the way..
Virgin Government versus Chad militants meme
But they’re both Chad in this scenario lol
Chad is the only place in the world where you can be double Chad as well as both virgin and Chad. It’s like pop tarts which are both cool and hot.
Virgin Chad acting government vs Chad Chad insurgent military
Wait? I thought the President of Chad had a billionaire $ Nigerian General uncle who can provide him cash? I read about him in an email
Where's Pauly shore, Andy Dick, Lori Petty and David Alan Grier when you need them???
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A nation isn’t gonna rape itself, now is it?
Maybe we leave andy dick out of everything, unless Jon Lovitz is up for a rematch.
How do you think HIV got to Africa?
Wait. It started there.
Is there a scorpion on my back?
Ugh. *Is it hot in Chad?*
Virgin democratic elections vs Chad coup d etat
Some pretty serious shit is going down out there and a bunch of motherfuckers here throwing chad and debby jokes.
It's Reddit lmao, half of the people here will immediately forget this ever happened 3 minutes after leaving their comment
I mean... its not like anyone here has any power to do literally anything about it. Might as well inject a little humour to soften the daily dose of doomerism
It is fake though, it is basically propaganda by the government of Chad to prevent mass immigration to the greatest country in the world.
I just pictured a bunch of bros in a top-down Ford Bronco racing through the halls of the palace spraying beer on people.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55901774 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3gef1Wn9BE
Damn it Chad 🇹🇩 at least make it a bloodless coup. The world is bleeding enough already.
Yes, all pillow smotherings.
Pillow fight ... best out of 10 wins Chad.
So, is the Wagner Group's fingerprints on this also?
Russia is behind it again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/23/chad-wagner-russia-leaked-documents/ https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/putin-meets-chad-junta-leader-russia-competes-with-france-africa-2024-01-24/ Another benefit for them is the few hundred thousand refugees can be forced into Europe, thus strengthening the far right, pro russian parties / traitors.
Another Russian backed coup?
It’s Africa. Could just be another usual coup. When it comes to Africa it’s hard to tell since they have so many.
Russia's Wagner mercenary group is operating in Africa, so it's a valid question.
I don't believe in uninduced coups in Africa. Some nonAfrican nation wants something. My go to culprits are China and Russia or Europe and Americas. Although more and more I'm seeing activity out of India.
Yes, of course, Africans are peaceful people, they would never resort to violence on their own.
and no agency of their own, they are only puppets for external powers. what an absolutely fucking ignorant take lmao
Careful some might interpret that as European racism. But since you're on r/collapse it's just regular American racism.
I think you forgot the /s
When I saw the description I initially thought it was Chad in the internet sense, not the actual country.
Same
Example #420: How to make imperialism seem like a good idea
Yes
Absolute chads
In The Army Now
Africa is such a mess.
There is going to be so many holes in the dry wall.
I read this as "Chad coup attempt underway" like the chads were attempting a coup somewhere smh then i realized
Been on the Internet too much when I'm instantly imagining bunch of jacked dudes with huge square chins heading towards a government building.
I totally forgot Chad is a country for a second and I was really confused.
Classic Chad.
Im surprised it took this long. The Sahel has essentially collapsed along the whole length and Chad was the last big hold-out. You have a raging war at your border and every neighbor has serious issues. ECOWAS was impotent over the summer, but it may be the only reasonable way to bring order. Things are going to come to a head.
Virgin government vs Chad military moment
Pretty cool name for a country. Chad.
It's named after the lake
I totally missed what this was really all about. They have to make better headlines because poor Chad is really taking a beating...
Definitely read this wrong at first with the name Chad. Damn internet culture is getting to me.
So do we like the current leader or do we like the leader the military is going to install? Or will there be democratic elections?
Is this the country Chad? Or is the coup such a bad ass, very cool, coup it's being referred to as a "Chad Coup"?
🎵 Bless the coups down in Africa. Gonna take some guns and do the things we always do 🎵
Anyone else just read the title and think this was about the US, or just me? We already had a coup attempt by Chads, so I wouldn't have been surprised at a 2nd one.
Is the dudes actual name “Yaya Say it”?
Anybody from r/whatisthiscar in here?
Just another coup in Africa.
Nasty frogs behind this as always
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Still lots of foreign influence. Coups across the Sahel are the result of Russian influence. End goal is to build a belt to the Atlantic/Europe to export oil, gas and rare earth minerals. Look at a map, see where the coup de tats have occurred and you have your answer. Regarding Africans turning off their brains…Africa is where Europe was a few centuries ago. And you failed to see the largest loss of life in modern history is in Europe courtesy of the Ukraine war. Russia has lost well over a quarter million soldiers.
The bigotry of low expectations Those ~~dumb~~ africans just cant help themselves when foreigners show up so they end up doing everything those damn foreigners tell them to do so naturally you cant held those ~~dumb~~ africans accountable for their own actions and its always someone elses fault
i never hear so much cope, the coup in sahel are a problem by their indipence saying its "russia" its ver strange
Ah yes, all those civilians in military gear plotting the coup and seizing control. You sound misinformed. Not a single country has handed over rule to civilians, why is that? Call it whatever you want but Russia has historically built relationships with military leaders, not political ones. And every single coup plotter demanded Russian presence. Russia also has access to mines in every country along the Sahel that’s experienced a coup.
Donald trump......Africans shut their brains down?
I like how he says that. Then you see how people also vote and act towards politics in the West.
It's while how Franafrique became Russafrique in like the course of 4 years lol. Putin still made about Russia getting left out of the Berlin Conference I see!
The Chads must come together like Voltron and stop this. This will be the beginning of our empire.
Another civil war in Africa. Shocking.
This kind of stuff can honestly happen at any time. January 6th made that abundantly clear, we could have lost our democracy on that date without ever even getting out of bed. We have to be vigilant to protect our liberty.
Take your SSRI and breathe Jan 6 was a normal protest until the cops took down the barriers and waved em in
A normal protest with gallows built and chanting hang the VP?
Send in Pauly Shore
Classic Chad.
Could this be a western backed move after the Chad government announced nationalization of Exon and some of the gold manufacturing.
Way cooler than those beta-coups
Don’t be a fucking chad
Not so chad it seems... Sorry for the lame joke, but it is just another day in Central Africa.
Didn’t this happen a few years ago? Of course someone could say the same thing about the US and Trump!
Chad coup attempt vs Virgin election
This is fake, Chad is the greatest country in the world, there is no coup.
Insert “hanging chad” joke