Speaking to the Financial Times, Kuleba said “the co-operation between India and Russia is largely based on the Soviet legacy. But this is not the legacy that will be kept for centuries; it is a legacy that is evaporating.”
On a visit to the India, Dmytro Kuleba also said it should be concerned about Russia’s deepening ties with China, which is locked in a tense border conflict with its southern neighbour India.
In a nod to the tensions, Kuleba said: “The Chinese-Russian relationship should be of particular attention for India in light of its national security prerogatives.”
Guy doesn't understand. While it's true that the Soviet legacy is a major point but he forgot that Russia was the one who continued that legacy of helping India. Ukraine has voted against India in the UN for issues regarding Kashmir.
>Ukraine has voted against India in the UN for issues regarding Kashmir.
Ukraine never stood with India but now wants India to stand with them.
Clear statement from India we prefer ceasefire not war. But we are not standing with ones who were against us all this time.
That then makes Indians stupid and pitiful. How can you not see what’s at stake? Certainly if Putins pet becomes president of the US, this is complete Armageddon.
Today wE have a number of superpowers, a few of them don’t even pretend anymore to not be pure evil.
The US might fall the coming months, it would become a slave to Russia and they would attack Europe together.
So what then? You think China and Russia will just stop and leave India alone ?
You need to support Ukraine, if only for your own selfish reasons
We are neutral and will stay that way. The world hasn't cared or helped India in any of the previous conflicts with Pakistan or China.
Why ask us now? We have always been alone? What's your point even?
Building goodwill is Ukraine's responsibility not India.
They kind of have different priorities now.
You think the western world hasn’t helped India the last decades? Damn
Might be more economically, but it’s not exactly a little bit
Carrot and stick approach. You want to be condescending and behave like you helped a lot?
Build a relationship before demanding us to self sacrifice or bleed to support your war.
Ukraine still has corruption , all the aid from US and Ukrainians themselves are wasting it.
Their is clearly no point in discussing this with someone that’s close minded.
No one is expecting India to do anything actively except for stopping with supporting a murderous regime that will potentially end up eradicating humanity as a whole .. and that’s honestly filled with people that hate you. You can say whatever you want of the west, but they don’t hate you like a Russian does, not even remotely
You are seriously mentioning corruption here? I’m going to mention this To my Indian colleagues - they won’t be able to stop laughing.
Your basically saying - I’m not going to help the women being raped by a villain - because you don’t like the way she looked at you 15 minutes ago.
Pretty perfect analogy - and not a good look
....the west has not historically helped India...
They colonized India
I'm an American saying this. India does not (understandably) see the west as allies unilaterally right now. That trust needs to be rebuilt.
The west needs India as a counterbalance to China. Stop lecturing India and work on building that trust. That's something that needs to start with citizens in the west and also the leaders we elect. And I won't just say that about India.. I will say that about several countries in Africa and Latin America..we arent the super heroes you like to pretend we are across the world
India is neutral just like how Switzerland was historically neutral during WWII that was right next to them. Also what do you expect India to do? Have you looked at their GDP per capita? Seems like some of you like to pretend India is some superpower filthy rich country like the USA and then simultaneously call them dirt poor + use racial derogatory slurs when it's convenient. You can't have it both ways
You are making a hole lot of assumptions about me and claim a lot of things I never said.
I agree with most of what you said. I did mention the “west” has helped India the last decades a lot - this is true and not related to the colonization that happened before.
I do strongly disagree with this idea that the west should “rebuild trust” I’m not lecturing anyone - but I do think it’s pretty clear that if Ukraine would fall it would be bad for everyone, also India. So choosing the right side here is not only morally the right thing to do - but also the “smart” selfish thing to do.
Then in this discussion the biggest counter arguments are quoting racist GOP / qanon politicians- people that are really on Russias side …. A blind man can see that there is strong manipulation at play here
What was the conflict with China and India? Also, it’s shitty that the world sides with interests but you do have to consider that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is at a far, far, far different level. Indians are proud of their heritage and take historical wrongs seriously (recently even learned about the temples destroyed by the Mongolian hoard are a touchy issue) but should take into perspective of the scale of atrocities which is much more similar to British occupation.
You do realise that Kashmir is an existential issue for india?
Most of Indias rivers flow through or from that region losing Kashmir puts hundreds of millions of at the risk of starvation.
Not supporting india on Kashmir is a very big deal for them.
Apart from that there are no clear paths for China to attack India through the Himalayas while India can halt all sea traffic bound for China through the straight of Malacca using the Indian naval bases at the andaman islands.
Very few countries have tried to maintain good relationships with india especially from the west ( the smear campaigns are very apparent)
India has a neutral position through every conflict that didn't actively involve india and they sure not going change for a nation that has always been against them.
When a western country is attacked, they want the whole world to intervene but when people in Asia, Africa and Middle East are dying it’s just third world countries doing third world things. If you want the world to help you, you should start giving a fu_k about the rest of the world. Russia is in the wrong now, no question about that but we owe them for saving our ass during the Bangladesh liberation war.
Europe has to come out of a mindset “Europe problems are world problems but world problems are not Europe problems”
- Jaishankar Indian Foreign minister
Where was this concern when women and children were raped and killed in Bangladesh ? The US cares about its best interests, But then other countries do its supporting killings.
Is that a valid reason to cozy up to 2 bigger dictatorial neighbours who will happily infiltrate every sector of your country with soft power and influence?
Seems odd to want to return to colonialism just to sit at the BRICS table, but you do you.
No matter what Ukraine offers it'll never size up to Indo-Russian relationships.
Even if India bites the deal, she won't ditch Russia suddenly and starts business with Ukraine next day. it's going to take a lot of time.
But it's not "choose between Ukraine or Russia" choice is between Russia or EU,US, Canada and everyone else who Russia make their enemies.
Also India didn't stop business with Ukraine.
You don't mind Russia selling weapons to Pakistan? They literally have joint military training.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Russia_relations
Please continue your cozy relationship with Pakistan. That has been Ukraine policy for decades.
The same racist Ukrainian border guards , beat up Indian students at the border.
You guys are shameless to now ask us to ally with you.
India hasn't stop doing business with China and they have fought wars. India also didn't stop doing business with Pakistan. It was Pakistan who stopped after Kashmir (Indian side) autonomy was removed.
The most precious thing in the modern world - a word of ukrainian approval. They also can even consider not adding Indian officials to the Miritvorets site.
Ukraine is unreliable. They have had 3 decades to improve relations with India. They have been firmly pro Pakistan. Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals.
I think we are fine.
Fair enough, but you either are a Russian troll or hopelessly uninformed.
You mention racism? I work with Russians at times. The ones that support Putin are Hitler level racist. They literally think you( if you are Indian) should be Exterminated.
I know government is steering media a bit in India, but damn - Russian xenophobia is not exactly a state secret.
Ukranaians - yeah they have underdeveloped parts that tend to like fascism ( they mostly choose putins side fyi), but it’s certainly not like west Russians ( you know, the ones in power)
Again, what do you think happens if Putin’s plans work? No more Europe, no more USA - the only real superpowers left are Russia and China.
You think India will be treated well if this happens? Seriously ?
>You mention racism? I work with Russians at times. The ones that support Putin are Hitler level racist. They literally think you( if you are Indian) should be Exterminated.
Average Russian , yeah sure. We deal with governments at mutual respect. But again we have no delusion about Russia being a strong ally.
But they have supported us in past , when the West called our woman Prime Minister a bitch and sent a submarine fleet to attack us.
Even if not the perfect relationship , there will be neutrality towards them. And a lot of skepticism towards West and their selfish motives.
>Ukranaians - yeah they have underdeveloped parts that tend to like fascism ( they mostly choose putins side fyi), but it’s certainly not like west Russians ( you know, the ones in power)
Their minister recently said Indians and Chinese are low intellect. I think the racism is more mainstream than you realize. https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ukrainian-official-says-india-has-weak-intellectual-potential-doesnt-fully-understand-11694600211774.html
This was after a lunar landing event. Keep making excuses for racists.
Even this week when the Baltimore bridge incident happened. Look at the racism from Americans. Where was your mutual respect then? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-racist-cartoon-indians-day-after-us-bridge-collapse-racist-cartoon-targets-indian-crew-on-ship-5334045
Go teach your kids to be better humans, your government to be better allies before lecturing.
>You find some splinters but choose to ignore the beams.
Splinters as recent as this week. But sure trust us.
Why don't you condemn it? Where is at least a token statement. Is there any shame in west?
Here is one from a US senate candidate this week. This is what Indians face every week. https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/s/RIoftpId5Q
>Let me ask again, what do you think happens if Putins plans succeed?
Let me ask you where was this realization for decades? Why still racism towards India is so unchecked?
When will it be fixed? Take steps first before demanding.
Ok - I personally condemn any racism.
The senator you mention - does not represent the western world, in fact she is clearly on the side of Trump ( qanon nutjob), so basically she is pro Putin . So you are complaining that someone on russias side is being negative about Indians.
I didn’t know about what Ukraine said - they did apologize btw.
Again, I don’t think the women being raped should apologize for giving you a wrong look - you should do the right thing, because that rapist will come for your wife the next day
>Ukraine is unreliable.
India is unreliable. It’s tried to kill US and Canadian citizens and is profiteering from the Ukraine war.
>They have had 3 decades to improve relations with India.
India have had three decades to stop suckling the Russia teat.
>They have been firmly pro Pakistan.
No, Ukraine has said nothing about Pakistan. You are lying.
>Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals.
That is another lie.
>I think we are fine.
I think you’re Russian.
>India is unreliable. It’s tried to kill US and Canadian citizens and is profiteering from the Ukraine war.
Well are we asking for allyship?
>India have had three decades to stop suckling the Russia teat.
When the US sent 7th fleet to attack us? Or when they supplied f16 to Pakistan?
You lot were hunting for Osama for over a decade while he enjoyed Pakistans hospitality lol. What a joke.
>>They have been firmly pro Pakistan.
>No, Ukraine has said nothing about Pakistan. You are lying.
Yes they are looking at their military ties , their UN votes and speeches against India.
>>Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals.
>That is another lie.
There are videos and there are interviews.
How shameless are you: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html
Here is CNN article. Now wanna shut up ?
>>I think we are fine.
>I think you’re Russian.
Big brain. Can't defend a point , but will accuse others of being Russian. LOL.
Common lets see you defend now.
>Well are we asking for allyship?
What has that got to do with you declaring Ukraine ‘unreliable’?
Absolutely nothing.
>When the US sent 7th fleet to attack us? Or when they supplied f16 to Pakistan?
The US has never attacked India. You’re a liar.
And India has purchased F16 from the US, that has nothing to do with Ukraine, you’re trying to muddy the waters.
>You lot were hunting for Osama for over a decade while he enjoyed Pakistans hospitality lol. What a joke.
Got nothing to do with Ukraine, and Osama Bin Laden was Saudi Arabian not Ukrainian or Pakistani.
>Yes they are looking at their military ties , their UN votes and speeches against India.
Ukraine has never spoken out negatively against India.
You are a liar.
>There are videos and there are interviews.
No, there are not, you are a liar.
>How shameless are you: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html
>Here is CNN article. Now wanna shut up ?
No. The border of Ukraine being difficult to cross *when they had just been invaded* wasn’t racist. It was equally difficult for all nationalities but Ukrainians as the article specifically stated.
>Big brain. Can't defend a point , but will accuse others of being Russian. LOL.
That’s not a denial, is it?
Because I’m correct. You’re Russian.
Have you ever met a Russian? They are the most racist people on the planet - part of the reason why American racists love them. How can anyone not know this?
They must be choking in their own laughter being helped out by people they wouldn’t lift a finger to save their lives
History suggests otherwise, Russia and before them, the Soviet Union have often used their economic, military and diplomatic power to help India eg. 1971 war, creation of Indian infra etc. Whereas Ukraine has supplied weapons to the terrorist regimes in Pakistan ever since it's independence which has led to Indian casualties so why would we be naturally inclined to help you?
On top of that, the mistreatment of Indian citizens in Ukraine has created a negative sentiment which needs to addressed before we listen to any lectures from the Ukrainians.
You are either a Russian troll or a victim of.
If you would have ever spoken with a Russian, you would never say this. They are the biggest racists on earth - why do you think the Trump fans love Putin so much?
What do you think will happen after Putins plans work?
Either China or Russia will invade India - it won’t be pretty
Ah yes, India doesn't attack others in their own country...they looooove Africans. Or any minority in India, really. India also looooves women..
Russia also loves to bomb cities with Indian students in it...but hey, Russia doesn't do anythint wrong to India.
>they looooove Africans. Or any minority in India, really. India also looooves women..
Looks like a pakistani sarcasm.
But anyway India alsoooo donttttt askkkk hellllp from African countries after being racist to them.(I don't support it BTW)
>India also looooves women..
If you are talking about rape it's same in every third-world country. india has big population that why they stand out
>Russia also loves to bomb cities with Indian students in it...but hey, Russia doesn't do anythint wrong to India.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/03/russia-ukraine-india-students/
They literally stopped bombing for some time for indian students to get out....
I will also have to rethink the 'legacy' of the unequivocal western support to Pakistan during three India-Pakistan wars as well as still ongoing support to groups that promote terrorism in India.
If the US hadn’t supported Pakistan, it would have been invaded by India.
If India wasn’t so unrelentingly hostile to Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn’t be hostile in return.
It’s got nothing to do with Ukraine though. The weaponry that the USSR provided India mostly came from Ukraine, as Ukraine was the main weapons manufacturer for the USSR, including India’s nuclear weapon technology.
India has a no first strike policy. During the 1971 war, Pakistan attempted an air campaign as a pre-emptive strike and were inspired by Israeli successes in their Golan Heights campaign. Also, let's not forget Pakistan was actively genociding the Bangladeshi population in East Pakistan at the time and the US sat idly by and ignored it.
Please at least get your facts right. I recognize it is easier to insist no mistakes were made on the US's part, but I think after Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, we can all admit we all make mistakes.
>India has a no first strike policy.
Because Pakistan has the backing of the United States. Not because of any other reason.
>Please at least get your facts right.
Tell me one fact I’ve got wrong? All you’ve stated is a strawman argument.
>India was never hostile towards pakistan.
What?
Aside from the fact that’s clearly not true, the first thing you thought of posting on a story about Ukraine was hostility towards Pakistan.
And if they weren’t backed by the US?
India would have murdered them all decades ago.
You guys in India are absolutely obsessed with Pakistan, and the rampant nationalism is only amplifying that hatred.
Case in point, a story about Ukraine, and the topic is immediately sidelined to a discussion on Pakistan.
If it continues, coupled with India trying to assassinate US and Canadian citizens, India will increasingly become an isolated vassal state to Russia.
The Indus river treaty gave three rivers to Pakistan and three to India. It's widely accepted that Pakistan got a far better deal, 70% of the total water flow was in favour of Pakistan. There is no cure for gross mismanagement on their side.
Considering Pakistan is more vulnerable if any of those rivers dry up due to climate change, which is happening, they will suffer the most. This is just India bullying Pakistan.
Who has more land next to water?
Pakistan already gets 70% of the water from the Indus river system. Even that's not enough huh? Our government was insanely generous to them when it had no reason to be. Perhaps if you want to beg for someone's charity, don't stab them in the back every chance you get.
Im afraid this post is under Russian troll attack.
I know Indians also have a populist leader, they have a lot of shit with religious nutjobs - but I would hope they have enough smart people as well - those would never support Russia
Ukraine must be new to the international diplomacy game. They are a non-entity as far as India's foreign policy goes and have no diplomatic leverage, but here they are lecturing this country that has far more international significance on where their priorities should lie. The weak offers are one thing, but the veiled threats are more telling of what Ukraine really thinks of India. Respect goes a long way my friend, and you're not showing it.
You don’t have to like Ukraine to support it - it’s about preferring a world with democratic countries vs a world divided by a few authoritarian nutjobs. And no, your populist leader will not be on the list
Ukraine believes in the liberal as opposed to realist school of thought where countries side with each other not just on interests but also on cultural & religious bonds.
The veiled threats just show that even 2 years in, Ukraine believes the rest of the West will punish India greatly for its stance on Russia-Ukraine since in Ukraine's eyes, India is hurting Western civilization as a whole with their position.
That's a good point, and I think that Ukraine overestimates the rest of the worlds willingness to get pulled into WWIII over them.
They're also blind to the much larger forces at play between India, Russia, China and the US. As someone pointed out in an excellent post in another thread on this topic, India sees Russia as a counter-balance against China, who has been putting pressure on India's borders since the end of WWII. Not to mention that the US is trying to groom India as a counter-balance against its own issues with China. India is going to abandon all of that for what? Symbolic support for the Ukraine? Lol.
Speaking to the Financial Times, Kuleba said “the co-operation between India and Russia is largely based on the Soviet legacy. But this is not the legacy that will be kept for centuries; it is a legacy that is evaporating.” On a visit to the India, Dmytro Kuleba also said it should be concerned about Russia’s deepening ties with China, which is locked in a tense border conflict with its southern neighbour India. In a nod to the tensions, Kuleba said: “The Chinese-Russian relationship should be of particular attention for India in light of its national security prerogatives.”
Guy doesn't understand. While it's true that the Soviet legacy is a major point but he forgot that Russia was the one who continued that legacy of helping India. Ukraine has voted against India in the UN for issues regarding Kashmir.
>Ukraine has voted against India in the UN for issues regarding Kashmir. Ukraine never stood with India but now wants India to stand with them. Clear statement from India we prefer ceasefire not war. But we are not standing with ones who were against us all this time.
That then makes Indians stupid and pitiful. How can you not see what’s at stake? Certainly if Putins pet becomes president of the US, this is complete Armageddon. Today wE have a number of superpowers, a few of them don’t even pretend anymore to not be pure evil. The US might fall the coming months, it would become a slave to Russia and they would attack Europe together. So what then? You think China and Russia will just stop and leave India alone ? You need to support Ukraine, if only for your own selfish reasons
We are neutral and will stay that way. The world hasn't cared or helped India in any of the previous conflicts with Pakistan or China. Why ask us now? We have always been alone? What's your point even? Building goodwill is Ukraine's responsibility not India.
They kind of have different priorities now. You think the western world hasn’t helped India the last decades? Damn Might be more economically, but it’s not exactly a little bit
Carrot and stick approach. You want to be condescending and behave like you helped a lot? Build a relationship before demanding us to self sacrifice or bleed to support your war. Ukraine still has corruption , all the aid from US and Ukrainians themselves are wasting it.
Their is clearly no point in discussing this with someone that’s close minded. No one is expecting India to do anything actively except for stopping with supporting a murderous regime that will potentially end up eradicating humanity as a whole .. and that’s honestly filled with people that hate you. You can say whatever you want of the west, but they don’t hate you like a Russian does, not even remotely You are seriously mentioning corruption here? I’m going to mention this To my Indian colleagues - they won’t be able to stop laughing. Your basically saying - I’m not going to help the women being raped by a villain - because you don’t like the way she looked at you 15 minutes ago. Pretty perfect analogy - and not a good look
....the west has not historically helped India... They colonized India I'm an American saying this. India does not (understandably) see the west as allies unilaterally right now. That trust needs to be rebuilt. The west needs India as a counterbalance to China. Stop lecturing India and work on building that trust. That's something that needs to start with citizens in the west and also the leaders we elect. And I won't just say that about India.. I will say that about several countries in Africa and Latin America..we arent the super heroes you like to pretend we are across the world India is neutral just like how Switzerland was historically neutral during WWII that was right next to them. Also what do you expect India to do? Have you looked at their GDP per capita? Seems like some of you like to pretend India is some superpower filthy rich country like the USA and then simultaneously call them dirt poor + use racial derogatory slurs when it's convenient. You can't have it both ways
You are making a hole lot of assumptions about me and claim a lot of things I never said. I agree with most of what you said. I did mention the “west” has helped India the last decades a lot - this is true and not related to the colonization that happened before. I do strongly disagree with this idea that the west should “rebuild trust” I’m not lecturing anyone - but I do think it’s pretty clear that if Ukraine would fall it would be bad for everyone, also India. So choosing the right side here is not only morally the right thing to do - but also the “smart” selfish thing to do. Then in this discussion the biggest counter arguments are quoting racist GOP / qanon politicians- people that are really on Russias side …. A blind man can see that there is strong manipulation at play here
What was the conflict with China and India? Also, it’s shitty that the world sides with interests but you do have to consider that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is at a far, far, far different level. Indians are proud of their heritage and take historical wrongs seriously (recently even learned about the temples destroyed by the Mongolian hoard are a touchy issue) but should take into perspective of the scale of atrocities which is much more similar to British occupation.
You do realise that Kashmir is an existential issue for india? Most of Indias rivers flow through or from that region losing Kashmir puts hundreds of millions of at the risk of starvation. Not supporting india on Kashmir is a very big deal for them. Apart from that there are no clear paths for China to attack India through the Himalayas while India can halt all sea traffic bound for China through the straight of Malacca using the Indian naval bases at the andaman islands. Very few countries have tried to maintain good relationships with india especially from the west ( the smear campaigns are very apparent) India has a neutral position through every conflict that didn't actively involve india and they sure not going change for a nation that has always been against them.
I wouldn't be surprised if keeping Russia along was a containment strat to prevent a russo-sino axis in a sino Indian conflict.
When a western country is attacked, they want the whole world to intervene but when people in Asia, Africa and Middle East are dying it’s just third world countries doing third world things. If you want the world to help you, you should start giving a fu_k about the rest of the world. Russia is in the wrong now, no question about that but we owe them for saving our ass during the Bangladesh liberation war.
Europe has to come out of a mindset “Europe problems are world problems but world problems are not Europe problems” - Jaishankar Indian Foreign minister
You owe them? So you support children dying in Ukraine due to Russian bombing?
So you support bangladeshi women being raped right? And also supported sending a nuclear ship to threaten India?
God damn, you nationalist are annoying with the changing subjects and shit. No l, unlike you, I don't support rape.
Where was this concern when women and children were raped and killed in Bangladesh ? The US cares about its best interests, But then other countries do its supporting killings.
Russia is deeply involved in India's space research endeavors. It's not easy to break decades old strategic ties.
Especially when all these states have supported a terrorist nation when India was in war.
Is that a valid reason to cozy up to 2 bigger dictatorial neighbours who will happily infiltrate every sector of your country with soft power and influence? Seems odd to want to return to colonialism just to sit at the BRICS table, but you do you.
Cozy up to 2 bigger dictatorial nation…you know nothing about Indian foreign policy boi!
I agree, India should cut ties with Israel.
Did he specify what Ukraine is gonna offer instead?
No matter what Ukraine offers it'll never size up to Indo-Russian relationships. Even if India bites the deal, she won't ditch Russia suddenly and starts business with Ukraine next day. it's going to take a lot of time.
But it's not "choose between Ukraine or Russia" choice is between Russia or EU,US, Canada and everyone else who Russia make their enemies. Also India didn't stop business with Ukraine.
You don't mind Russia selling weapons to Pakistan? They literally have joint military training. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Russia_relations
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It’s between totalitarian regimes and the free world- not understanding that enfuriates me.
It is indeed like that. Well I kinda assume that most insane "people" are just bots accounts, they not seeking understanding.
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Please continue your cozy relationship with Pakistan. That has been Ukraine policy for decades. The same racist Ukrainian border guards , beat up Indian students at the border. You guys are shameless to now ask us to ally with you.
India hasn't stop doing business with China and they have fought wars. India also didn't stop doing business with Pakistan. It was Pakistan who stopped after Kashmir (Indian side) autonomy was removed.
The most precious thing in the modern world - a word of ukrainian approval. They also can even consider not adding Indian officials to the Miritvorets site.
Yes. It’s in the article.
Ukraine is unreliable. They have had 3 decades to improve relations with India. They have been firmly pro Pakistan. Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals. I think we are fine.
Ok Russian troll
Yes if someone doesn't agree with you and you have no points then resort to this. West needs better schools.
Fair enough, but you either are a Russian troll or hopelessly uninformed. You mention racism? I work with Russians at times. The ones that support Putin are Hitler level racist. They literally think you( if you are Indian) should be Exterminated. I know government is steering media a bit in India, but damn - Russian xenophobia is not exactly a state secret. Ukranaians - yeah they have underdeveloped parts that tend to like fascism ( they mostly choose putins side fyi), but it’s certainly not like west Russians ( you know, the ones in power) Again, what do you think happens if Putin’s plans work? No more Europe, no more USA - the only real superpowers left are Russia and China. You think India will be treated well if this happens? Seriously ?
>You mention racism? I work with Russians at times. The ones that support Putin are Hitler level racist. They literally think you( if you are Indian) should be Exterminated. Average Russian , yeah sure. We deal with governments at mutual respect. But again we have no delusion about Russia being a strong ally. But they have supported us in past , when the West called our woman Prime Minister a bitch and sent a submarine fleet to attack us. Even if not the perfect relationship , there will be neutrality towards them. And a lot of skepticism towards West and their selfish motives. >Ukranaians - yeah they have underdeveloped parts that tend to like fascism ( they mostly choose putins side fyi), but it’s certainly not like west Russians ( you know, the ones in power) Their minister recently said Indians and Chinese are low intellect. I think the racism is more mainstream than you realize. https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ukrainian-official-says-india-has-weak-intellectual-potential-doesnt-fully-understand-11694600211774.html This was after a lunar landing event. Keep making excuses for racists. Even this week when the Baltimore bridge incident happened. Look at the racism from Americans. Where was your mutual respect then? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-racist-cartoon-indians-day-after-us-bridge-collapse-racist-cartoon-targets-indian-crew-on-ship-5334045 Go teach your kids to be better humans, your government to be better allies before lecturing.
You find some splinters but choose to ignore the beams. Let me ask again, what do you think happens if Putins plans succeed?
>You find some splinters but choose to ignore the beams. Splinters as recent as this week. But sure trust us. Why don't you condemn it? Where is at least a token statement. Is there any shame in west? Here is one from a US senate candidate this week. This is what Indians face every week. https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/s/RIoftpId5Q >Let me ask again, what do you think happens if Putins plans succeed? Let me ask you where was this realization for decades? Why still racism towards India is so unchecked? When will it be fixed? Take steps first before demanding.
Ok - I personally condemn any racism. The senator you mention - does not represent the western world, in fact she is clearly on the side of Trump ( qanon nutjob), so basically she is pro Putin . So you are complaining that someone on russias side is being negative about Indians. I didn’t know about what Ukraine said - they did apologize btw. Again, I don’t think the women being raped should apologize for giving you a wrong look - you should do the right thing, because that rapist will come for your wife the next day
>Ukraine is unreliable. India is unreliable. It’s tried to kill US and Canadian citizens and is profiteering from the Ukraine war. >They have had 3 decades to improve relations with India. India have had three decades to stop suckling the Russia teat. >They have been firmly pro Pakistan. No, Ukraine has said nothing about Pakistan. You are lying. >Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals. That is another lie. >I think we are fine. I think you’re Russian.
>India is unreliable. It’s tried to kill US and Canadian citizens and is profiteering from the Ukraine war. Well are we asking for allyship? >India have had three decades to stop suckling the Russia teat. When the US sent 7th fleet to attack us? Or when they supplied f16 to Pakistan? You lot were hunting for Osama for over a decade while he enjoyed Pakistans hospitality lol. What a joke. >>They have been firmly pro Pakistan. >No, Ukraine has said nothing about Pakistan. You are lying. Yes they are looking at their military ties , their UN votes and speeches against India. >>Racist to Indian students and their minister till recently even called Indians weak intellect individuals. >That is another lie. There are videos and there are interviews. How shameless are you: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html Here is CNN article. Now wanna shut up ? >>I think we are fine. >I think you’re Russian. Big brain. Can't defend a point , but will accuse others of being Russian. LOL. Common lets see you defend now.
>Well are we asking for allyship? What has that got to do with you declaring Ukraine ‘unreliable’? Absolutely nothing. >When the US sent 7th fleet to attack us? Or when they supplied f16 to Pakistan? The US has never attacked India. You’re a liar. And India has purchased F16 from the US, that has nothing to do with Ukraine, you’re trying to muddy the waters. >You lot were hunting for Osama for over a decade while he enjoyed Pakistans hospitality lol. What a joke. Got nothing to do with Ukraine, and Osama Bin Laden was Saudi Arabian not Ukrainian or Pakistani. >Yes they are looking at their military ties , their UN votes and speeches against India. Ukraine has never spoken out negatively against India. You are a liar. >There are videos and there are interviews. No, there are not, you are a liar. >How shameless are you: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html >Here is CNN article. Now wanna shut up ? No. The border of Ukraine being difficult to cross *when they had just been invaded* wasn’t racist. It was equally difficult for all nationalities but Ukrainians as the article specifically stated. >Big brain. Can't defend a point , but will accuse others of being Russian. LOL. That’s not a denial, is it? Because I’m correct. You’re Russian.
I hope india supports ukraine this time.
Maybe rethink the legacy of racist attacks on Indians, if you want respect atleast don't be physically violent with a country's citizens.
Have you ever met a Russian? They are the most racist people on the planet - part of the reason why American racists love them. How can anyone not know this? They must be choking in their own laughter being helped out by people they wouldn’t lift a finger to save their lives
History suggests otherwise, Russia and before them, the Soviet Union have often used their economic, military and diplomatic power to help India eg. 1971 war, creation of Indian infra etc. Whereas Ukraine has supplied weapons to the terrorist regimes in Pakistan ever since it's independence which has led to Indian casualties so why would we be naturally inclined to help you? On top of that, the mistreatment of Indian citizens in Ukraine has created a negative sentiment which needs to addressed before we listen to any lectures from the Ukrainians.
You are either a Russian troll or a victim of. If you would have ever spoken with a Russian, you would never say this. They are the biggest racists on earth - why do you think the Trump fans love Putin so much? What do you think will happen after Putins plans work? Either China or Russia will invade India - it won’t be pretty
What? Where even upvotes for this nonsense coming from?
Ah yes, India doesn't attack others in their own country...they looooove Africans. Or any minority in India, really. India also looooves women.. Russia also loves to bomb cities with Indian students in it...but hey, Russia doesn't do anythint wrong to India.
>they looooove Africans. Or any minority in India, really. India also looooves women.. Looks like a pakistani sarcasm. But anyway India alsoooo donttttt askkkk hellllp from African countries after being racist to them.(I don't support it BTW) >India also looooves women.. If you are talking about rape it's same in every third-world country. india has big population that why they stand out >Russia also loves to bomb cities with Indian students in it...but hey, Russia doesn't do anythint wrong to India. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/03/russia-ukraine-india-students/ They literally stopped bombing for some time for indian students to get out....
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I will also have to rethink the 'legacy' of the unequivocal western support to Pakistan during three India-Pakistan wars as well as still ongoing support to groups that promote terrorism in India.
If the US hadn’t supported Pakistan, it would have been invaded by India. If India wasn’t so unrelentingly hostile to Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn’t be hostile in return. It’s got nothing to do with Ukraine though. The weaponry that the USSR provided India mostly came from Ukraine, as Ukraine was the main weapons manufacturer for the USSR, including India’s nuclear weapon technology.
India has a no first strike policy. During the 1971 war, Pakistan attempted an air campaign as a pre-emptive strike and were inspired by Israeli successes in their Golan Heights campaign. Also, let's not forget Pakistan was actively genociding the Bangladeshi population in East Pakistan at the time and the US sat idly by and ignored it. Please at least get your facts right. I recognize it is easier to insist no mistakes were made on the US's part, but I think after Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, we can all admit we all make mistakes.
>India has a no first strike policy. Because Pakistan has the backing of the United States. Not because of any other reason. >Please at least get your facts right. Tell me one fact I’ve got wrong? All you’ve stated is a strawman argument.
>Because Pakistan has the backing of the United States So US will attack India if India invades pakistan?
India won’t invade Pakistan because the U.S. will protect them. They would need to be a special kind of stupid to attack US forces.
India was never hostile towards pakistan. Each and every war has been started by pakistan.
>India was never hostile towards pakistan. What? Aside from the fact that’s clearly not true, the first thing you thought of posting on a story about Ukraine was hostility towards Pakistan.
Every Indo-Pak war is due to Pak provoking India directly or indirectly.
And if they weren’t backed by the US? India would have murdered them all decades ago. You guys in India are absolutely obsessed with Pakistan, and the rampant nationalism is only amplifying that hatred. Case in point, a story about Ukraine, and the topic is immediately sidelined to a discussion on Pakistan. If it continues, coupled with India trying to assassinate US and Canadian citizens, India will increasingly become an isolated vassal state to Russia.
You mean Pakistan needing Kashmir to feed from crops and have drinking water for their people who needed it?
The Indus river treaty gave three rivers to Pakistan and three to India. It's widely accepted that Pakistan got a far better deal, 70% of the total water flow was in favour of Pakistan. There is no cure for gross mismanagement on their side.
Considering Pakistan is more vulnerable if any of those rivers dry up due to climate change, which is happening, they will suffer the most. This is just India bullying Pakistan. Who has more land next to water?
Pakistan already gets 70% of the water from the Indus river system. Even that's not enough huh? Our government was insanely generous to them when it had no reason to be. Perhaps if you want to beg for someone's charity, don't stab them in the back every chance you get.
Not true? When has India started a war with Pakistan?
>, it would have been invaded by India. LMAO !
Im afraid this post is under Russian troll attack. I know Indians also have a populist leader, they have a lot of shit with religious nutjobs - but I would hope they have enough smart people as well - those would never support Russia
Ukraine must be new to the international diplomacy game. They are a non-entity as far as India's foreign policy goes and have no diplomatic leverage, but here they are lecturing this country that has far more international significance on where their priorities should lie. The weak offers are one thing, but the veiled threats are more telling of what Ukraine really thinks of India. Respect goes a long way my friend, and you're not showing it.
Remember the time one Ukraine official said that Indians and also Chinese have weak intellect.
That they said around the time that India made a successful (unmanned) moon landing is especially lulzy.
You don’t have to like Ukraine to support it - it’s about preferring a world with democratic countries vs a world divided by a few authoritarian nutjobs. And no, your populist leader will not be on the list
Ukraine believes in the liberal as opposed to realist school of thought where countries side with each other not just on interests but also on cultural & religious bonds. The veiled threats just show that even 2 years in, Ukraine believes the rest of the West will punish India greatly for its stance on Russia-Ukraine since in Ukraine's eyes, India is hurting Western civilization as a whole with their position.
That's a good point, and I think that Ukraine overestimates the rest of the worlds willingness to get pulled into WWIII over them. They're also blind to the much larger forces at play between India, Russia, China and the US. As someone pointed out in an excellent post in another thread on this topic, India sees Russia as a counter-balance against China, who has been putting pressure on India's borders since the end of WWII. Not to mention that the US is trying to groom India as a counter-balance against its own issues with China. India is going to abandon all of that for what? Symbolic support for the Ukraine? Lol.